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The Truth Network Podcast is produced by Truth Network Podcast is produced by Truth Network Podcast. them from the evil ones. Now everybody but John was martyred for the sake of Christ and they tried to boil John in oil and it failed. So they are kept and I think the kept is that they will persevere, that it's Christ who perseveres and keeps people to the end. Exactly right.

He's the author and the finisher of our faith. And for me that's how I look at Revelation 3.10. That makes sense. Yep. It's a tough passage.

It's a tough passage but there's a lot there and it's worth looking at. But yeah. Yep.

I'm with you. And brother I do and the only last thing I would say brother is that I believe and I hope everyone who's listening to me is to realize we do not walk in our own strength. We are dependent upon Jesus Christ. And I think what's coming next is the underground church. As Nero found a reason when he burned down the city of Rome and he blamed the Christians I think that's coming next because according to 2 Thessalonians 2.3 what comes next is the worldwide hatred of Christians. Yep.

And we will be betrayed and all that. So I just thank you. And I love you brother. Been listening to you. I appreciate everything you do and I just keep up the good work and praying for you. Well I appreciate it and I certainly do need it because there's a lot going on here that we need prayer for.

In fact here's a bizarre little something and I'm just going to throw this out. I've been working for months trying to get the video to work. Lighting and issues in the room I've got to work with here to do videos.

Finally got it to work and then the very next day the sound goes out on the camera and stuff. I have to work on that now. It's just bizarre. And so I always need prayer because I'm on the front lines and there's always extra attacks and things like that. And it's extremely frustrating.

Yeah. Well brother I think we understand that because the enemy wants to come against you there. I do believe it's spiritual warfare at season six and I think that you're staying the course and they don't want the word out there. So just stay there man. I'm in your corner brother and I appreciate everything you're doing. Well praise God man.

Praise God. And kudos on the incredibly good accurate exegetical issues that you've got there regarding that. So I'll just give you a thumbs up. Okay man. Alright buddy. Thank you brother Matt. Have a good day brother. You too. God bless.

Alright there's an interesting conversation. Let's get to Danny from North Carolina. Danny welcome.

You are on the air. How you doing sir? Doing alright. Hang on in there man.

What do you got buddy? I just want to continue the thought that you had from maybe like two callers ago talking about the two ages. Yep. I'm actually trying to teach through Ephesians chapter 2 and verse 7 Paul says that in the ages to come. Now is that talking about future eternity or is that like the period of time right now? Yeah it's just everything that's coming. All these different ages that are coming. It's not an eschatological combination of the couplet this age and the age to come because the phrase this age and the age to come designates two specific ages.

This one and the one to come. It's a broader sense but in the Ephesians 2 to 7 in these ages it can't negate that. Put it this way. You can't have only two ages in the age to come. Blasphemy is not forgiven. We have eternal life.

There's no marriage. That's the eternal state. So there can't be an age after that. So I know about this because I've talked to universalists who talk about you're judged to this age and then Aeonius Tonionion and all this stuff. Anyway so what they're doing, what he's doing here is just talking generically, poetically. The ages to come and all the times and the epics and everything that's happening to come. This is what's going on.

He might show this for passing riches. That's what's going on. Not the designation of the couplet this age and the age to come which is different. Okay? Okay. Okay. Alright. Alright buddy. Alright man.

God bless. Okay. Alright let's get to Megan from Indiana. Welcome you're on the air. Megan? Megan? Are you there? Hello? Hello Megan? Yeah you're on the air. Hi.

What do you got? I was just curious as far as your take on Proverbs and Ecclesiastes as the spirit of wisdom being personified as a woman. Oh that's in Proverbs 8. Yeah it's just a personification of being feminine that's all. It's no big deal. It's good stuff. Wisdom lifts up her you know her voice and says and you know things like that.

That's great. That's one of the reasons I think God put it in there was because the Jehovah's Witnesses and some cults say that wisdom is the pre-incarnate Christ because he's at the beginning in the creation. I was with God at the beginning. See that's Jesus. Well wait a minute why is it referred to in the feminine?

I think it's one of the reasons God allowed that to occur like that. So that's all it's just personification of wisdom. I have another quick question if that's okay. Sure. Sure.

What do you got? Your take on when Christ said that all forms of blasphemy will be forgiven except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Yes. What is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Does that answer your question? Yeah that's the question.

How would you blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Well there's a break and so if you'll hold on I'll give you what I think is the answer. It takes one to two minutes to explain it and you'll see why and lay the foundation for it and you'll see. You'll hold on okay? Okay. Alright folks hey we'll be right back after these messages. I want you to if you want stay tuned and we'll get to this stuff after the break.

God bless. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright welcome everyone we have two open lines 877-207-2276. Let's get back to Megan. Are you still there? Yeah.

Alright so this may not sound related but it is. Jesus says in Matthew 3.15 at the baptism his baptism he says he needs to fulfill all righteousness. Fulfill means the Old Testament. What in the Old Testament was he fulfilling? Most probably it was requirements in order to enter into the priesthood because according to Hebrews 6.20 and 7.25 he is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

So in order to enter into the priesthood several things were in place or necessary. One of them was a verbal blessing. Another one was sprinkled with water. Another was an anointing of the whole of with oil.

That anointing represents the Holy Spirit. Now are you is there noise going on in the background there? Is there some? Yeah I've got a bunch of kids now. Oh ok alright I'll deal with that. Sorry.

It's alright I'll deal with it. So the thing is that the anointing of the Holy Spirit it looks like that he was doing his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit that came upon him because it wasn't until after his baptism that the miracles started. And so some think and I lean this way that when it talks about a blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 12 22-32 the Pharisees the Jews are accusing Jesus of casting out demons by the power of the devil. And he says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

So it looks like Jesus was doing his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit and that's what he was proclaiming upon them. This will not be forgiven. You're saying that the very nature of God is evil and that can't be forgiven. And so that's the context that's what's going on and that's what I believe it is. Ok? Oh. Ok. Yeah that makes sense. Ok. Alright. It's like a bit of a theology tour there but sometimes it's necessary to kind of make it make sense you go oh hey that makes sense. So ok?

Yeah it makes sense yeah. Ok good. Alright. Alright thank you. You're welcome well God bless and have fun with the kids. Thank you.

Alright good to see you. Yeah for those of you who may not know I just say this every now and then I have Asperger's and I have trouble with sounds and so I ask people about the sound behind them and if that's what it is kids you know what I'll just deal with it but it's just what it is you know I got to go through things and that means God's using a broken vessel isn't he? A broken vessel that's for sure. My wife's saying right now amen to that.

He's broken. So let's get on the phone here with David from Texas. Hey Dave welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt it's an honor to talk to you. The Israelites in battle if somebody had a pagan idol in camp they might pay for it on the battlefield and instead of going into captivity the pagan enemies some of them would fall on their sword and I'm just wondering about the mark of the beast payment system I mean it's voluntarily going right now in Sweden for anybody who wants the just a microchip I guess RFID chip in the hand and they use it in other countries Mexico uses it for government workers to enter government buildings and as far as Christian just when it's all out full blown and that's really the only form of payment system there is left would it be permissible to commit suicide to not take the mark of the beast and buy and sell? Yeah that I can't answer because suicide is a tricky topic it occurs in the bible and yet it's not condemned it's not and thus they sinned in their you know it doesn't say anything like that there are people it just says and they fell on their sword so okay does that mean it's a neutral issue no but it's you know thou shalt not murder well what is murder the unlawful taking of life what about taking your own life this gets complicated and so I can't say to commit suicide in that situation is wrong I can't say it's right I just can't say it and so with me you know a lot of people though would say oh no it's definitely wrong I can't do it well okay maybe it is and I would just say please I'm open to being instructed and corrected please show it to me in scripture and the best they could do would be thou shalt not murder it's self murder and I think that would be a pretty good argument and yet we have self you know suicide in the old testament that's not said to be sinful so then now it's because of that I say I can't say for sure so now given that situation if they say you have to take the mark or we're going to force it on you well then what if they say you gotta take it voluntarily and you refuse and you slowly starve to death that's a form of suicide but it's not really what if they say we're gonna come to your house we're gonna force you to take it then what do you do you know you flee that's what I would do I just flee get to get out of there and just hope I could survive on the street someplace you know but if they what do you do they're in a jail cell you know we're gonna come in we're gonna force you to do it you know I don't know every situation I don't know what you can do and so I say you know what we can ask these questions but there's no easy answer and I think God would be very gracious those who willingly take it in order to survive the mark of the beast that's a problem but those who let's just say were forced to take it and refuse to utilize it well yeah you have Alzheimer's or something if you're in assisted care living or something like that I could say you know they're getting slipped by God wouldn't you know condemn those people yeah yeah I think I think you're right you know it would what if you know like they have Alzheimer's and and someone forces them to do it then they're not even aware they do it what do you do you know and you're in a hospital in a coma and they do this to you so we I need to be gracious and that's what I do I like to err on the side of grace I think those who take the mark are doing it with full knowledge in support of who ultimately is the Antichrist that is it that's it for sure so kind of like when Lot's wife when Lot's wife looked back at Sodom she had a longing in her heart so you're saying that people are taking the mark that they support that system and a little more than just accepting it okay yeah they support it and they accept him that Antichrist figure as a pseudo-messiah deliverer and I'll tell you I could see the left and the wacko leftists you know doing this as saying we've got to submit to the new coming government and the so-and-so who you know and you you know if you don't accept this that just means you're racist and you're you know you're the greatest threat to humanity you know the left does this kind of stuff and they use lines 100% there oh yeah 99% of people I used to have a website that was kind of worldwide I had it yeah anyway talking to people all around the world it was it was shocking how when I mentioned well are y'all worried about you know taking the mark of the beast and buy and sell with it they wouldn't even well I remember one lady she was a Marian worshiper I guess she was Catholic I'm not sure but very few people are worried about it I asked a guy in the Philippines yesterday and you know he says he's not worried about it but you know what I've been to the I've been to the Philippines you can survive out there in the jungle there are ways to survive off of what you know not here in not here where I'm living you know a cul-de-sac you know it's so there's just different situations and yeah it's it's complicated yeah so okay buddy all righty thank you very much all right okay that's Dave from Texas let's get on the phone with Kevin from Tennessee Kevin welcome you're on the air hey Matt uh my question is about uh Hebrews chapter five verse eight and nine um kind of mainly nine but eight as well how did Jesus learn obedience and uh and how was he made perfect that's a tough one to answer because there's some theology behind potential answers having been made perfect or been made as uh says Tillioius it means to to bring to perfection or completion from we call we say uh teleology is a study of design and because there's an ultimate goal in the design it's just the phraseology and that's the word that is used there in fact let me go over here and so when we look at it and we started considering that we go okay so he's made perfect and that is from the like the Greek which is the verb form which is perfect or end or completion so having been made perfect having been made complete having done what was necessary it could mean that he went through and in his resurrected glorified state and in that he became to all those who obey him the source of eternal salvation now that's a little bit problematic because he's a source of eternal salvation in the crucifixion but that's also problematic because he's a source of salvation in his incarnation so this gets to be difficult we know that Jesus has two distinct simultaneous natures a divine nature and a human nature so how can he be made perfect we could imply that the perfection might relate to the human aspect of what he is well we got to be careful not to go in historian which is two persons in the body of Christ where the human only is being perfected but that would be problematic for historian reasons then we can get into the communicatia et the properties of both natures described as a single person and therefore the person could experience a type of perfection in his human nature attribute described to him I'm going through this quickly I'm just saying it's not easy to answer it's just not so I think what it generally means is as he learned obedience being under the law he did what the father wanted and in this he suffered and having been made perfect in the completion of his work he became to all those the source of eternal salvation in the sacrificial system his death bell resurrection all of that is the teleos the complete work and the end work of all that he's came to do and he is and he became to all those who obey him the source of eternal salvation and that would make sense written to Hebrews the Hebrew people who would understand the severity and necessity of the law under which Christ was made Galatians four four and in that in submission of the father he became the source of eternal salvation to all so to a Jew I get it why he was suffered he learned obedience because he really was under the law that would appeal to the Jewish mind and then at the same time he's talking about Jesus being the source of eternal salvation and then he goes on the very next verse being designated by God as a high priest according to the elder order of Melchizedek so now he's talking to the Jews about the priesthood order and the source of eternal salvation because the Melchizedek priesthood offered the sacrifice in the Holy of Holies once a year which was the means by which they're forgiven so all this ties together in that context in the Jewish mind and I think what's going on there is he's talking about the aspect of Christ according to the law completing what was necessary and in that is the source of eternal salvation and the Jews would get that okay okay thank you very much all right man God bless buddy all right let's see how much time we got oh we got so little time Nancy from Virginia I don't know if we're gonna get to you in time what do you got let's see till the music goes uh hi thank you for taking the call um I wondered what were the scriptures that you were going to mention about the the dead the dead people in the in the vultures sure go to 1st Thessalonians 4 and 16 4 times 4 is 16 so 1st Thessalonians 4 16 and keep reading and mark not mark but Matthew 13 30 start reading there all right and um you can also go to 1st Corinthians 15 35 through 45 and then the vultures is at the end of Luke 17 and it's also found in Matthew 24 okay go check that out we gotta go sorry about that call back tomorrow let's talk about it boy that was a fast hour may the Lord bless you I hope you have a great evening and by his grace we'll be back on there tomorrow we'll talk to you then God bless bye another program powered by the truth network