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I'm your host Matt Slick. I'm going through a book, The Final Quest by Rick Joyner. He's been around for decades. Boy, I'll tell you, some of the stuff that these guys are teaching is incredible.

I was just sharing it with Charlie before the show, that Rick Joyner Final Quest book here. This guy claims to get visions from God in a trance-like state. He actually talked to Paul the Apostle and Jesus. Then he's reciting in the book the things that he was told. This is insanity, the casual means by which these things are conveyed.

I just don't buy into it. He has made numerous prophecies in other books. He gets revelations from God and talks about the religious spirit that's out there, which I can only assume deals with people who don't agree with him in Christianity. Here's a quote.

This is really interesting. He says, as I continued walking away from the judgment seat, I'm like, what? So now he's at a judgment seat to have this vision? The thing is, people say, well, it's an allegory. No, it's not. He actually wrote in this book that he wanted to convey him as an accurate form, not by allegory like the Pilgrim's Progress. But this is what he actually said. This is just one of the guys.

I'm trying to find documentation on some other things. He said, once a day, I get it documented, then I'll be able to talk about that. If it's true, it'll be rather profound. I'll just leave it at that for now. I'll tell you, man, you know, so much heresy, so little time.

I could use your prayers. I want to say this. I was talking to Charlie before the show. I don't know, 12 or so years ago, I bought three cameras and did some video work.

Karm had its problems. We kind of stopped video work here for a few years. We're really working on it now.

Luke, Wayne, and I, we just talked about it before the show, too. The necessity of getting video going. I got these old cameras. I've probably spent six or eight weeks, not every day, but every third day, fourth day, couple hours, four hours, for weeks and weeks trying just to get the lighting right.

I have limited space to work on. It's been extremely difficult. There's been more than one occasion when I wanted to take the cameras out into the desert and go skeet shooting with them and take my shotgun, throw them up in the air, and kablammo. Well, it took me weeks to get the video lighting going. This is what happens when you have old cameras. You have to really work the conditions very precisely because the new cameras are a lot more forgiving and a lot more capable.

That's how technology is. I got most of it pretty good. I showed some people in the chat room after the show yesterday. I hear some video and give some thumbs up. Yeah, it looks pretty good. The video looks pretty good.

The lighting and stuff like that. I spent some time doing a video so that I could work with it and the whole bit. I get it into my system on my computer and I put that in there and now the audio isn't working right.

Oh, delightful times. Now for some reason the audio isn't coming through. I did trouble shooting.

It's been another couple of hours working on that. I can't get the audio to quite work right. I can get the cameras to pick up through the boom mic at six or eight feet away, but then it sounds like it's six or eight feet away. You want good sound. I did lapel mic. I did wireless lapel mic. I did that. It doesn't seem to want to pick up. There's another vision in my mind of taking my shotgun and my cameras out in the desert and throwing them up in the air.

Actually I prefer if I could take a flame thrower with me and then deal with them that way as well. This has been the frustration I've been going on for weeks and weeks with these cameras, which are past or prime, but you know what? You got to work with what you got. It's been extremely difficult.

I'm just telling you this because it helps me to vent just a little. My wife comes in and I've just discovered the audio is not working and I have to replace cables. She comes in. She's talking to me and she's looking at me and says, is he okay there?

I said, now the audio doesn't work. She goes, okay, I'll talk to you later. She just smiles and walks out. She knows. Frustration of frustrations. It's really tough, but hey, that's what it is. That's what it is. In order to get this done, I'll tell you there's just real blocks all the way. It's like Sisyphus trying to push a rock up a hill all the time, but that's the way it goes when you're a one man team. I'll tell you on video stuff.

It takes a lot of patience and work to get it going. There you go. I feel much better now. You can pray for me. You can pray for my patience and the success of the video work. There. I feel so much better. Let's get to Teresa from Charlotte, North Carolina. So welcome. You're on the air.

Sure. I just wanted to, uh, kind of pick your brain about the new act campaigns I've been seen for the, he gets us.com. It has like these heartwarming images, maybe of a person, you know, suffering. And then I'll say, you know, Jesus experienced suffering too. He gets us.

And then it's, he gets us.com. So I kind of looked a little bit on their site. It's just, it's like an ad campaign that's tied to a nonprofit. It doesn't like have a statement of faith, but it looks like the main premise is to get people, you know, interested in Jesus and his relevancy, you know, today, just as it's always been and maybe reach a more millennial crowd. So my concern was if they're not affiliated with any church or they're not affiliated with any, you know, um, political viewpoint, how a person would know, like, or if you knew anything about how they, what their vetting process is with the churches or people they partner with to do, you know, outreach and connection, because of course, even though Jesus does get us, the word is still the word.

And it doesn't mean that just because Jesus understands and is relevant, that it's the same, you know, that it undermines the truth of the Old Testament or, you know, the, what the word says about things like homosexuality or transgender. So just curious if you knew anything about it or that process. Not at all. And, um, thank you for showing it to me because literally while you're talking, I went to the site, let's not repeat it again because I don't want people to go, if it's bad, I don't know if it is or not. And, um, so it's, it's nicely done and I don't, it, there's a chat option. Let's see. And so I'm looking through stuff. I'll do some research on it and check it out. Uh, and I had to put it on my plate, uh, another thing to do.

In fact, my plate is about 40 feet in diameter and it's about 40 feet high of things to do. So, uh, oh yeah, I've got a lot to do, but I'm looking at it. Here we go. Here we go. So about, I see the about now at the very bottom of the page and, um, check them out.

So I started to chat with them and that literally right now I'm, let's see, literally on a radio show right now, uh, and want to know about you. Okay. Do you, let's see, do you have a statement of faith? Okay. And we'll see what happens. So I'm, uh, after doing that, you know, I'm going, um, we're not left wing or right wing. They say, okay, I've got two tabs open, a diverse group of people. 501c3 and uh, yeah. Okay.

So yeah, I don't see chat now. Connect texts for prayer. Read about Jesus. I got to, yeah, now I got to check them out. So I got to check them out. Okay. Well, all right.

Well, I'll, I'll pick on Carmen and I see something I'll, I'll check it out cause I think it's something that could be wonderful or it could be something that's, you know, potentially very harmful to that viewpoint and people in need who are easily influenced. So that's right. Well, thank you.

That's right. So, Oh, he's typing back. Let's see what he types. Okay. Our mission is to create opportunities for people across the U S to take a fresh look at the real Jesus and consider his radical teachings and claims documented Bible.

We want to be open and approachable to everyone so everyone feels comfortable asking questions, including the difficult ones. Oh, watch this. Okay. Does Jesus have two natures? A divine and watch this.

Let's see what it does. Divine and human. Dot, dot, dot. Right now. Okay. And uh, when field is historical figure who doesn't relate to them in the modern world, he has experienced every human frailty and vulnerability. He's for everyone. He has the answers to life's most pressing problems.

He understands us. Okay. Yeah. Oh, you know, that's what I'm gonna do. I'll just keep working with it during the show. It's do my research.

So this is what I have to do. I had to multitask. And so, um, often during the breaks, I'm working on articles and reading.

I have Kindle on another screen. I'm reading through the books and doing stuff like that. And, um, oh yeah, I got, it's, I'm working. It's helpful. And it's what has us ask questions like this and not take anything from face value.

So, so I'm sure it gets overwhelming. It's definitely a blessing and we appreciate you. Well, thank you. And you know what, I'm just going to say, let's see, he says, Jesus is a part of the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

He was a man under, just like you and I, but is he a man right now? Okay. So, uh, you know, so we'll see. Um, I could, I could do is watch this. Okay. You know what, if you want, you can call into my radio show right now and we could talk. Let's see.

It's seven two zero seven two two seven six. Oh wow. He wrote, sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. Wow. I'm asking if Jesus is both God and man right now in heaven. All right.

No, he's typing something out. Okay. Then we can move on.

Do you not? This is live. It's no thank you. We are a chat service, not a call service. Okay. I understand. Okay. So, uh, there you go.

How about that? So if they don't even know if he's a man, right. Oh, he's typing. I'll get, then we'll get going.

If he doesn't know if he's a man right now, then it's very, very bad. I have to keep talking and asking questions and stuff like that. Let's see. Let's see what he says and then we'll get you going here.

This is where the drum roll when you need a drum roll. All right. Oh, there's a break.

That's good timing anyway. Thank you very much. All right.

God bless. Okay. We'll see you.

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Welcome back to the show everyone. And if you want to give me a call, four open lines, 877-207-2276. And, uh, okay. So the guys, uh, okay, I'll contact them. Um, so I was just re texting during the break with the guy and, uh, with whoever it is, his name's Landon about that one website. And, uh, so I'm at the email on the C, you know, and ask them questions. See if we can talk. All right.

Four open lines. Like I said, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Courtney from Ohio. Hey Courtney. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hey Matt. Um, before I get to my main question, uh, I asked your producer, I called a couple weeks ago and you told me to send an email, which I did. So I just wanted to check and see if you got it or not. I didn't get like any response or anything from you guys. So just wanted to make sure you got it. Okay. Now I gotta, I gotta come up with something that sounds intelligent, like I'm competent and I remember everything and I'm straining how to do that because I don't remember. And that's, that's the truth. What, what was this about?

Uh, maybe you can gather them a little bit swamped. So I want to not use the word that I used before because you brought up that there were kids watching and I didn't want to actually use that word. At the time it was a guy who gave a bad interpretation to a woman about a dream. Oh, Oh yeah. Oh, I remember that. Oh, I talked to people about that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh I did. Yeah. My spiritual Tourette's was coming up. Take that guy. You got mad.

I knew that that was really bad. Yes I did. And you sent it to info at karm.org. Yeah. Okay. And I'm not sure. And what day?

Cause I'm looking at it right now. See we have a, we're down to 189 in that account. That's good. Okay.

So that, that's really good. Okay. Um, yeah, I just think like I want to hear, like cause you said, you're going to actually call the guy yourself or contact him whatever way.

I really want to hear how it goes. All right. So, uh, if I tell you what, because I'm looking through all of them, I don't know where it is because it didn't people who get into the account, if you could send it to me, if you can, like even right now, and I will watch the screen and then I'll move it to a place where I can, you know, then take a look at it and do that after I get my video stuff and while I get my video stuff and while I'm researching online with this guy and while I'm taking care of my wife and fighting off bears and alligators that are invading. So yeah, just a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit.

That's right. Okay. So since I would have you on the phone, I would go ahead and just ask you something else.

Cause I always ask about 20 questions that I could ask you anyway. Um, I, the one girl brought up something, I heard this a little, a little bit before about something about transgender and I just want to do an opinion. Um, we homeschool my daughter, so that's, you know, we don't have to deal with a lot of that schooling kind of things, but we do have her in softball and we have her in dance and you know, there's, um, it's been a couple of times in both of those where we have some, some kids now that are, you know, there, there was one little girl where her, her mom, you know, now we have a dance where there's a girl who like kind of looks transgender, you know, wearing some really crazy t-shirts. And my question to you was, do you think it's a good idea to bring it up to your child that something's amiss with that little girl or do you, she's not brought it up and I don't know if she's even noticed.

You think it's better not to say anything at all? Um, I would, we, you know, we need more information if well for one thing, how old is she? How old is she? Um, eight. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I think that's a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little bit young unless you're going to first and second grade and then you know, you want them brainwashed by the leftist intelligentsia who are just, um, how to destroy. Yeah.

Uh, well they would do that and force it on people. So I'm like, well you can bring it up to my daughter. I wouldn't.

Okay. I wouldn't bring it up. I mean that, you know, if she starts asking questions or starts, you know, maybe you started a clue when that she's becoming aware, then you know, it might be time to talk about it. But one of the things you could do is just, uh, prepare her by occasionally at the dinner table, have a Bible study and he'd go to Genesis for example, and God made male and female. And you're talking about how good God is. You don't bring up anything other than just laying the foundation of truth out there.

And then also that there are lots of people who rebel against God's truth and then you need your husband need to prepare for how you're going to talk about it too, because it's going to come up and as our world becomes more evil, it's going to happen. Yes, it is. Yeah. In fact, we don't have our school, but you know, it's out of our places. Like we had the moms at her softball, like they're like very, very affectionate. They're in the place for our softball game.

And I was like, please don't do that. I mean, like even moms and dads aren't doing that softball game. It's in your face.

They're emboldened by the weakness of the conservatives and the Christians. That's the principle. I would ask those people not to do that. Depends if they're sitting right next to me and they're doing that and say, can you please refrain? You know, I'd tell them, can you please do you mind? It's just, it's just too much.

This is a public setting and there's children here. And, uh, and if they were to, Oh, you're just a bigot and say, can you define bigot for me? And I'll say, I might say something like, I'm not someone you want to mess with when it comes to this stuff. Okay.

But cause I want to shut them down and say, look, you please, please. Okay. My child is here. I don't want my child to be exposed to that. That's why I'm asking. Right. Because if you're, if you had somehow you two had a child here and I was talking to my wife saying, Hey, you know what? Lesbianism is wrong.

Would you want your child to hear that? No. Well, the same way works this way. Cause show respect. And uh, you know, even the, the, uh, the others aren't even doing what you're doing. You're just flaunting it.

So please, I get, we need to talk to them and tell them you can't just let them keep getting away with everything. People, Oh, you're so big at it. You're so intolerant. Yeah, whatever.

You know what? I don't care. You're intolerant. Go away. You know, it just doesn't bother me. I'm so used to being assaulted verbally and then salted. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're done yet. Okay. It's like, what's one.

Here's something I did a while back a few days ago. Actually literally in a, let's just say a chat room. I was in Oculus in the, in the virtual reality. I was talking to some people and uh, they asked me about evolution and so I started talking about this one guy just came on glued and did not want me to say anything and would interrupt. It was rude. It was just, you know, okay. And I said, Hey, can you say, could you do me a favor? And he goes, what? And I says, could you look behind you? You know, just, you know, we are just look behind you. He goes, yeah, I'm not going to do anything. You're stupid. I'm starting to laugh cause I know what I'm going to say.

I said, can you look behind you? Yeah. I just want to know if your diapers are full. You know, it was fun for me.

It was fun. You know, I made it come up. The guy's just being, you know, he was being whacked and so try to be as polite as I can most of the time, but sometimes you just got to stand up and say enough's enough and I'll tell you it now is now's the time and it's been past time for us to stand up and say enough's enough. All right, Courtney, we got to go.

There's the break. Thank you. All right. Okay.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Everybody.

Okay. So I'm laughing because during the break people are saying, you got to hang that picture up because I have a video camera and we simulcast this on YouTube and Facebook and on Twitter. And um, so there's a picture that's been on the ground on purpose for months and months and they're starting to wind you to hang the picture up. So I hung it up and now people are saying, finally, no, didn't even need a level. So I'm thinking, so I'm thinking one day on the ground, one day off the ground.

See how many people who are OCD just have conniption fits. We're having fun. Okay. Hey, if you want to give me a call, three open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Brian from North Carolina.

Brian, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, what's going on? Oh, I don't know. Nothing. Just doing radio.

What do you got big guy? Well, I have a question for you. Um, and I may be mistaken about this, but I was listening to some program you were on. I believe you hold a view that Jesus Christ has two wills, but I've always been under the impression that, uh, monothelicism was like a, is that the heterodox view or what's your view on that? Monothelicism is heresy because it deals with, um, uh, eutachianism and or monophysitism. Now, so diethylitism explained from people who are like, what the heck is he saying? So from the Greek Thileo to will, to have a will, a desire, a want to will.

Okay. So theology is very logical. And what we understand is that the Trinity is, is three distinct simultaneous persons. The word is, uh, who became flesh and dwelt among us. And so Jesus by logical necessity has two natures.

It's called the hypostatic union. Colossians two, nine, first Timothy two, five, two, five through eight. And I can give you a letter of verses. Okay. With me. I'm hearing noises in the background, buddy. Okay.

Got noises back there. Okay. And so by necessity, the human nature has to have a will. Otherwise it's not human. The person of the word has to have a will.

Otherwise it doesn't have personhood. These two, uh, become one in the personal Christ. Now, what that means is in the hypostatic union is one person.

Now this is significant. One person with two natures. Each of those natures must have a will. And that's called diethylitism.

D I two diethylitism. All right. That's the Orthodox position. Now, how are those two wills manifested? They're manifested as one person with one will. And this is a paradox.

It's a mystery. How is it possible that Jesus has, who says, I am thirsty, I'll be with you always. The I is singularity, but yet necessarily in the person are two distinct natures, which requires a will for each diethylitism. So therefore we say he has, each nature has a will, but the, the expression of the, that combination, so to speak, is expressed in the single person of Christ who is by logical necessity, one person who has one will. So each of the wills is expressed as the one will in Christ. I'm not going to say alternates go back and forth. We just don't know how it works, but that's what it is. Okay.

Thank you. Now let me add a little bit to that. There's a doctrine called the communicatio idiomatum. It means the communication of the properties.

So here, this is important as well. So with the person of Christ, he is divine nature and a human nature. Logically, the divine nature has to have attributes. Otherwise it's divine. It's going to have divine attributes. If it's in a human nature has to have human attributes. Now the divine nature's everywhere. The human nature is not. The divine nature knows all things. The human nature does not. Well, how do they come together? Well, again, I don't know.

I don't have to know. Bible doesn't tell us how. But we do recognize that Jesus says things like, I am thirsty.

Now that's absolutely without a doubt the attribute or the property of the human nature. Yet Jesus says, I'll be with you always even at the end of the earth. So he's claiming to be with everyone always everywhere. Now that's the claim of divine attribution, divine property. But notice he's the same person who's represented by the word I. I'll be with you always.

I am thirsty. The same person said both. So what we conclude is that the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person. So Jesus had the attribution of ubiquity, every where-ness, as well as location right there in the human person. He therefore could be tempted and not fall.

So the communication of the properties is important for that reason, plus this. When Jesus died on the cross, only the human nature died because it's not possible for the divine nature to die. Because by definition, it doesn't have a biological function.

It can't die. Well then, if only the human nature died, then how's the sacrifice of divine value? We don't want to get into the error called Nestorianism. Basically what Nestorianism says is that in the one body of Christ are two persons. It is a divine person and a human person and they alternate back and forth in communication. That's wrong.

That is just bad wrong. And so when we look at this issue of how then is the sacrifice of divine value if technically only the human nature died, then what we do is we back up and we look at Christ and we say He is one person. He's one person with two natures. I am thirsty.

I'll be with you always. Yet it's the person who died on the cross. And therefore the person has divine qualities, divine attributes. And so therefore the sacrifice is of divine value. In addition, we perceive the divine through the human.

So we could, if we were back there, we could watch Jesus walk on water, the divine attributes. We could watch Jesus raise someone from the dead, theoretically watching that. But what we would be doing is observing the divine through the expression of the human. So what we say is that the divine attributes are expressed through the human particulars or through the human nature where Jesus walked on water as a man. But that's the human nature and the divine nature working, so to speak, together in the single person of Christ. Likewise, the single person of Christ went to the cross and died. And so even though the physical death can only be attributed logically to the human nature, yet the representation of the divine attributes are in the expression of that man, Christ Jesus, who died on the cross, therefore the sacrifice is of divine value.

Okay? Yeah. I guess that same principle applies when it comes to, we know that the Son knows all things, but it's also said that the day and the hour, the power of the Father. Except that's a wedding feast idiom that is used.

A lot of people don't understand that. So the Father, we've got two minutes before the break, so I'm just going to continue with this until the break. So in a wedding feast, the Father, the bride, the Father, the Son would arrange a wedding. And then the feast had to be a year-long engagement, and the relatives had to prepare themselves to be able to travel 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 miles inside of Israel to go to the wedding.

They had to know what day that was. So during that time, the groom was obligated, according to the custom, to build a room addition onto the home that he was going to go get the bride and come back to. So he used to build a room, build a mansion, as Jesus says, I go to prepare a place for you, and I'll come back for you. And so the friends of the bridegroom would say, hey, when are you going to go get her? And he'd say, no man knows the day nor the hour but the Father alone. It was an idiomatic expression showing the respect given to the Father as the head of the house that he would then say, now. And then they would go with the trumpeters and with the feast, being ready, in order to go get the bride, and then they would come back with the trumpets and the trumpeters and the bands celebrating as they came back to the house to have that wedding. And then they went into the bride chamber for consummation and things like that. So when he says, no man knows the day nor the hour, it's an expression out of the wedding feast of that culture.

Doesn't mean it didn't know. And you can go to John 21, 17, where Peter says, you know all things, and he doesn't deny it. OK, there's a lot of information there. OK, buddy? All right. Yeah, I appreciate that, Matt. OK, Brian, God bless. We have two open lines. You want to give me a call?

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Let's get to Jose from Texas. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Can you hear me?

Yes, I can. I can hear you. By the way, I liked the last call. I enjoyed it.

So I have a question. I was watching your video. I called you last week regarding Trinity.

And I watched your video that was on your calendar. And on your conversation, you mentioned that William Branham, he's an heretic. Yeah, he's a false teacher.

He's a false teacher. OK, so this brings me to my other question. There's a lot of signs and wonders that he did, you know, that he did in the name of Jesus, of course. How can a Christian discern the spirit? You know, because of course, we're commended by in the Bible, First John, not sure what verses are kept in verse two to test the spirit. So how can we know?

Because it's pretty hard. I'm saying like from a, you know, a Christian, I guess, and a beginner, I guess, for Christian point of view. So we'll tell you what, ask me a question. You started two questions and then you cut yourself off on the question.

So what's your question then? Yeah, so I think you asked that William Branham is a false teacher. But my question was, how can we distinguish, you know, I guess, a person if it's a false teacher or not? By reading the scripture and knowing what the Bible teaches doctrinally. So Branham denied the doctrine of the Trinity and required salvation in Jesus' name only, which is false. And he said he was God's spokesman on earth and started teaching other things.

So you can't trust him as a true teacher. Now he does miracles, right? People said it is miracles.

There's some evidence that they're not really, because some people have done research and follow up on healings and things, and a lot of times it wasn't the case. So there's that. That's not to say he didn't, but let's say he did. It still doesn't mean he's of God because in Matthew 7, 22 and 23, many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy in your name before many miracles cast out demons? And Jesus says, get away from me.

I never knew you. So how do we tell if someone's legit or not by who they profess and what they profess? Then you've got to be careful even then because they could just say the right thing. So it's difficult. This is why even for me, who's very well trained in this, I have difficulty sometimes finding the truth from error with some people. So, for example, I'm reading through one of Rick Joyner's books, an NAR guy, and a lot of what he says is really good, seriously, really good stuff. And yet there's some difficulties and some other things he says, and without some theological understanding, you won't recognize it.

And so I'm leaving that vague right now because I'll have recent documentation in a day or two or three. But this does take discernment. It does take discernment. It does take time. And that's how you've got to know it. You've got to learn. You've got to study the word of God. Okay? It's hard.

It's hard. And especially when someone does a lot of signs and wonders, I guess. If they do signs and wonders, say you go to a church and this guy says, I'm a prophet of God. I'm an apostle of God. And let's just say it's pretty stinking convincing miracle occurs at his hand or her hand.

Okay. Does it mean that person is from God? No, it doesn't mean. Does it mean a person is not from God?

Doesn't mean that either. So, you know, are the charismatic gifts for today? I believe they are. Are there apostles and prophets today? That's another topic because the New Testament talks about prophets.

I believe the apostles are for that time only and there's no present-day apostles. But the prophets, that's different because the Bible talks about telling us. Paul says, seek prophecy. Seek that you can prophesy. That's 1 Corinthians 14.1.

That's what it says. Now, unless you want to say all that stopped with the completion of the canon, another topic, blah, blah, blah. But if we believe the charismatic gifts are still for today and that the canon is not the dividing line chronologically, then we should be praying for prophecy.

But that's a very difficult thing to do. So how do you know when someone's a true prophet or not? Well, I'm reading through their material and they're saying, well, sometimes they make mistakes in their prophecies. Well, wait a minute.

Deuteronomy 18 says you can't make prophecy mistakes if you're from God. So you really have to know stuff and you have to deal with these things. And it's tough. And another, well, I could get on it. I could really get my soapbox about all this, but there you go.

It takes a lot of study. Okay. All right, man.

God bless buddy. Okay. You too.

All right. Let's get to Jason from Utah. Jason.

Welcome. You are on the air. I just got a question and I'll just let you go.

What's the difference between the rapture and, uh, the other one? I'm sorry. Uh, yeah. If you can explain that. No problem. Well, it's okay.

Just hang on. It's easy to explain the difference. The tribulation is a supposedly a period of time of seven years. And then the great tribulation is the second half of the seven years where the anti-Christ will then manifest himself. The rapture is the event that, uh, where Christ returns and then people are transformed and twinkling of an eye, go up to meet him in the clouds.

And that happens either before the tribulation mid tribulation or at the end of the tribulation, according to different views. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.

Like always. Thank you very much. All right. God bless. All right.

Let's get to Alberta from Georgia. Alberto. Welcome buddy. You're on the air. Yeah.

Good evening, Matt Slick. I've got a question, you know, Isaiah 44 six. Well, a lot of the one list preachers, like, you know, like, you know, Jenny, they like to quote that verse that God said that there's no other God beside me, but God never said there's no other person or persons beside me.

So Jesus Christ who went up and said at the right hand of God was a man who was a person. So what's your question? My question is Isaiah 44 six never said, God never said there's no other person or persons beside me. What's your question? That's my question.

My question is that God never said there's no other person or other person. It's a statement. It's a statement, not a question. Let me just comment. I'll just comment on the verse and you're right. Okay.

You are right. God says I'm the first and the last. There's no God besides me. When a oneness person goes here to say, see, there's only one God, the Trinitarian should say, yeah, of course. That's one of the verses we use for, for our teaching.

What's the, what are you bringing it up for? Because a lot of times they'll go there thinking that the Trinity teaches three separate gods. That's not what we teach. And I say, what are you going there for? We affirm monotheism. So what's your problem?

Why are you teaching? What are you going here for? You always have to find out what the reason is that you're going to a particular verse.

What are they saying? And yeah, God is, is, uh, there's only one God and God is a Trinity. There's only one being who is the Trinity. That's right. Oh, we can agree with them.

Yeah. No, it's not a Trinity. Well, that verse doesn't talk about Trinity or not. Trinity just talks about God. We agree.

God is only one God. So there you go. I say, you got anything else you want to look at? You know, I would like to, yeah, I would like you to debate, you know, Jenny, so I would like, uh, so I can show, show the debate to my friend of mine who is always defending him.

So I would like you to do the big data challenge. Are we glad to debate? Yeah, I debate these guys.

I do a public debate. Absolutely. And this guy's like, yeah, absolutely. Cause yeah.

Do you reach out to him? Well, if someone wants to do it for me, I got 18,000 things I do. And the problem is I'll email somebody that was seriously, I emailed somebody and then I forget to check my emails to see responses. I just am that busy. And I'm not whining or complaining, you know, what was me?

It's just saying, Hey, you know, ministry is just going full bull, full bore and got a busy schedule. And sometimes it just dropped the ball and we've got to work on figuring out a way to get things, you know, a little more efficient. So I don't make, let's make the mistakes. That's all it's a good problem to have. Okay. All right. Keep up the great work, sir.

Hey, I'm trying buddy. And, uh, thanks for calling man. Appreciate it. All right. All right. You too. Okay.

All right. Let's get to Carrie from Boise, Idaho. I think I know this Carrie. Carrie welcome.

Hi, thank you for taking my call. I am wondering if a church says they believe in, or they affirm the doctrine of predestination, which is the same as saying election as far as I understand. And then they say they also, Oh, okay. They say they lean, um, more Armenian than Calvinist at the same time.

Is that a Nazi moron? Is there a conflict there or not understanding something? Yeah, they don't understand the nuances of the biblical doctrines.

And so they've not gone further down the theological road to connect the dots. A lot of times that Armenians say about predestination is that, and I just heard this yesterday in a room I'm talking to God knows what choices you're going to make. And based on those choices of you receiving him or not, he's going to predestinate you. And that's not the biblical position.

That would be favoritism. It would be, uh, violating, risking violating God's a sea of tea in his knowledge and various things and making God reactionary. They just don't have been thought these things through. And I work with them, people regularly to say, well, that doesn't work because what you're saying is that God knows what they're going to do and that his choices are based on what they're going to do. How then is God sovereign? Because that makes God reactionary and not sovereign.

Now that's a quick way of saying that and I unpack it with them. So Armenians don't generally, what they do is they reject the idea of God's absolute sovereignty over all things. And they'll say, well, if you're predestined, you don't have free will. But I say, that's not true.

It does. Literally, I was teaching this last night with a guy and I said, does Jesus have free will? He says, well, yes. Is Jesus predestined from the foundation of the world to do whatever the father says?

That one kind of caught him off guard. And what I did was I went to John five 19, which Jesus has truly truly said to you, the son can do nothing of himself unless it's something he sees a father doing. And then I went to John five 30 where he says I can do nothing of my own initiative.

As I hear, I judge and my judgment is just. He says, but I seek the will of him who sent me. So I say, now Jesus could only do what he said the father could, you know, had him to do, right? Yes. Did Jesus have free will? Yes. That was eternally predestined and ordained by God, right? Yes.

Therefore, human free will, our free will, or just free will in general, is compatible with God's sovereign decrees and his work in predestination. There's the proof right there. All right. Thank you.

I'm going to chew on that for a while. All right. No problem. All right. All right. Well, God bless.

Thank you. So, you know, one of the things I do folks is I deal with a lot of particulars in theological discussions and you know, this is what I do. It's not what most everybody does. And because I'm in apologetics all the time and discussing these things. And so I really enjoy getting down that deep into issues and into things.

I enjoy it and I find that I learn a lot when I do that. And that's what I was just conveying there was some of those truths. There you go. Okay.

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