Matt Slick Live

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All right. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick live and today's date is 4 11, 2022. If you want to give me a call, please do.

All you got to do was dial 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. I got a yawn cut just lurking, just lurking around me. So I have to get that taken care of here a little bit. But what, how many people are yawning now because I just yawned? You're thinking, no, don't make me yawn.

And then you're yawning. Oh, well, OK. So we have five open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. All right. Guess what I've been working on now. I've been working on the New Apostolic Reformation. I have been going at it. And let's see, got some books open, some stuff. I could tell you some stuff. Oh, my goodness.

The New Apostolic Reformation. The more I look into it, of course, the more dangerous it is. Here's a book I've been reading written by two women in the NAR called The Physics of Heaven. And so, you know, I've been going through and reading some of this stuff. And, you know, this woman says during 1999, during one of my quiet time with the Lord, he mentioned the word sound.

Nothing more, just the word sound. You know, I've always been suspicious, you know, someone's talking to me. Yeah, I was having a quiet time with God and he told me, you know, that I need to go get dressed and go to the store. I'm like, wait a minute. So God told you something.

Yeah. So the infinite God of the universe just started talking to you? Well, you know, it's an impression. How do you know it was God? Well, because and I always get get irked by these kind of things. When people meet God in the Bible and the Old Testament, man, I'll tell you, they're on their knees.

They're on their faces to the ground. But we have these people so casually. Yeah, you know, I was talking to God last night. You only told me. Wow. And then she goes on and says it was like God was playing a game with me and called this game the how badly do you want it game?

Because it was like God was giving me a piece of a puzzle he wanted me to put together. Wow. And so in this book, you know, I've been going through stuff. I was reading it late last night until about two thirty in the morning. Maybe three.

Any rate. And so the Lord is ready to use sound light and energy in ways we never dreamed. But this is reminiscent of the New Age philosophy. And I've got some information for the New Age. Twenty five, thirty years ago, I went to a couple of New Age conventions in Southern California, and I gathered just a stack of literature from different New Age booths and sources and things like that. And I three hole punched it and I put it in a big three ring binder notebook, and I still have it. And it's down in the garage. I'm going to what I'm going to do is go through and fan through some of the material and see if I can find things that relate to what these these women are saying for the new new absolute information.

I'm going to keep going with these quotes because it's interesting stuff. But if you want to give me a call, five open lines, 877-207-2276. By the way, tonight, I'll be teaching on Roman Catholicism on Clubhouse. You go to clubhouse, I think, dot com.

You can download it for your phone and you can also download something called Club Deck for your computer, at least on the PC. And I'll be in a room. The Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation is a biblical or something like that. Someone set it up for me. I'll find the exact name. I'll be teaching at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. I'm going to go through a lot of stuff.

What the Roman Catholic Church teaches and expose what it is and is Roman Catholic doctrine Christian. So that's what the title is at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. And I'm going to be going through and doing something. I'm going to read a lot of stuff in the Catholic Church, but that's just an FYI. People want to know what I'm up to and what I'm doing. So back to the NAR stuff.

All right. So these phrases in here, you know, the word from God here is a prophetic word. The Lord gave me about the coming importance of sound. The Lord began showing me visions of what is to come.

The coming God sound, God's sound, the sound God is going to release. I saw the greatest revival the world has ever known, filled with people clamoring to know this magnificent God of ours. And so I was reading through it and let's see, there's something in here I want to share Bill Johnson, he's a heretic, writes that we can't just camp around old truth, but should seek newly revealed truths for our generation.

You know what that is? That's that Mormonism, you know, or Jehovah's Witnesses. We need new truth. In other words, the Bible's good has a lot there for us, but we need new truths. And those new truths are obtained through our visions and our dreams. And the apostles who will then tell you what God is wanting. This is a formula for disaster.

Absolute disaster, it really is. And then in there it says, people fear, and then because we are exploring territory that some people fear is full of counterfeits, Jonathan Welton explains that Christians need not be afraid of being deceived by counterfeits. But should realize that whenever we see a counterfeit, we should try and discover the real behind it.

Reals in quotes. I'm going to read that again. I'm like, what? This is, I couldn't believe what I was reading.

I was like, are you kidding me? And then because we are exploring territory that has some people fear, that some people fear is full of counterfeits. So this guy named Jonathan Welton explains, Christians not need to be afraid of counterfeits. They need to be afraid of being deceived by counterfeits.

Really? So we should not be worried about being deceived by counterfeits. Wow.

Instead, what we need to do is look into those counterfeits and discover the real that's behind it. And this, you read stuff like this, and these two women apparently wrote this book, and this is what they quoted. And I'm just dumbfounded by the heresy that is here. It's flat out heresy, but they have no problem with it.

They have no problem with it. So, oh, and get this. Yeah, I'm going to read this.

This is good, because it's like one of those things where you go, what? This book is just a precursor to the revelation that God is going to give us when he releases a new transforming sound. In the first section, Ellen and I share our journey of discovery about sound, excuse me, light, vibrations, energy, and quantum physics.

Bill Johnson writes that we can't just camp around old truth but we should significantly reveal truth, okay. Now, if I was at a new age, if I was teaching new age stuff, and I've done this before, where would I, I've done, but back in 20, 20, 25 years ago, this, the new age was kind of up and coming and pretty prominent. And I was asked to speak a few times on the new age at different places, and I did. And I had this notebook I mentioned, and what I would do is I would just randomly pick a page and start reading. And I would just say, here's, you know what the sound is, you know, how does it sound? I would just randomly say something. I mean, read what it was.

I just read these things. I said, now watch, folks. What I'm gonna do is, on the spot, I'm gonna make stuff up. And, you know, I would just say something like, like in context what we're talking about.

The quantum physics revelation of how energy is displayed on that level and is affected by our consciousness means that the sound that we utter will have that effect in the quantum realm. I just made that up. Just now I made it up, and it would have fitted perfectly inside a new, I mean, new age philosophy that it would also fit in this book. Now, that's a problem. I mean, you could make things up, and you could make it sound like it. You know, Ellen and I share our journey, in this book, share our journey of discovery about sound, light, vibrations, energy, and quantum physics.

This is so typical of new age speak, how they talk. Oh, man. So it's a lot of problems here, a lot of problems. I got to deal with a lot of stuff, and anyway. You wanna give me a call?

All you gotta do is dial 8772072276. Look at the Janet from Raleigh, North Carolina. Janet, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you, Matt. I just have a simple question.

I'm just kind of curious. Whatever happened to the Israel trip? Did you guys end up not going or something? Yes, we ended up not going because they were requiring COVID vaccines. I will not take it.

I don't trust it. Oh. And so, but if you go to the CARM homepage, we have now reintroduced the 2023 Israel trip, and so we are going because Israel is no longer requiring a vaccine. So it's set for 2023. Oh.

Mm-hmm. February. Oh, that was the. Yeah, February 20th through March 4th, 2023. That's right.

And. Okay, it's gonna be the same trip that was planned for this year, right? Yes. Basically, yes, yeah.

Okay. And we're gonna have, let's see, Joel Kramer. Joel Kramer's awesome. When I went before, Joel Kramer was there. He lives in Israel, if I remember correctly, and he's an archeologist, and he took us on a trip, and we went to see Jericho. And I don't know if we're gonna see that. In fact, I'll read what we're gonna see.

And, because it's on the webpage. So we went, and we stood on the fallen walls of Jericho. We stood on them. Wow. And then he was pointing us out.

Look at that right there, look at this right over here. Oh, it was awesome. So anyway, what we're gonna do, it says, come visit ancient cities, mountains, fields, coastlines. It will help you read the Bible with fresh eyes. See the house in Capernaum where Peter lived. I remember that. Walk among the ruins of ancient Jericho.

That's gonna be awesome. Visit the city where Paul stood trial before Felix and Festus. Wet your feet in the Jordan River. Traverse the cave-filled wilderness where David took refuge from Saul. Yeah, I remember that. Hike to the cavern where the first Dead Sea Scrolls were found.

Now that means Qumran Cave One, because we went in it. Ride a boat on the Sea of Galilee where Jesus calmed the storm, and a lot more. No vaccine required, and receive $100 off the trip if you sign up now.

It's gonna cost around $5,500, though. You have to get yourself to New Jersey, and once you're at New Jersey, then everything is taken care of from when you leave to when you land, except for lunches. When you go out there and we're driving on the bus, and you go to different places, you just buy your own lunch. So breakfast and dinners included? Yep, yep, and I'm telling you, they're good.

Because I went, okay? And I'll tell you, it was one of my favorite things was the meals. I remember once they had this table, must have been six feet long, seven feet long, three feet wide, full of olives, different kinds of olives.

I'm like, I had no idea. So I got olives and bread, and I'd eat them on the bus, and it was great, you know? It was a lot of fun, it really was. I'm looking forward, I was smiling a lot. It's gonna be a nice trip. Oh, it is, and what I really liked about it was the people, that we went, you know, a bunch of Americans, right? And we would sit in the bus together, and we're all talking, and we're just having fun. It was a blast, so I'm looking forward to it. The hotels were nice. Yeah, I'm serious. That's what I asked you about, that hotel, right?

The hotels were great, but what I really liked also was the lunches, because we were in these different places, and one place I remember was just a mom and pop thing, and it was basically nothing, and the food was great. Wow. You know? Oh, good.

Then there's a time when you had to get coffee in Turkey, and that was a fun experience. It's a lot of fun. Anyway, get a break, okay buddy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, thanks so much. All right, bye-bye.

Okay, God bless. Hey folks, Five Open Lines, if you wanna give me a call, 877-207-2276, give me a call, we'll be right back. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. All right, why don't we get on the phones with, let's see if I can pronounce this right, Jovsy?

Jovsy, if I get that right, from Utah. Welcome, you're on the air. Hi, yeah, it's J.C. J.C.? Oh, I don't, because my screen's messed up, for, I just, I, yeah, it's messed up, so I can't read all the letters. Sorry about that. Okay, so. No, you're fine, it's fine.

Oh, that's what my wife says, thank you. Believers. Okay, so what do you got? So, I recently just lost my devout Mormon grandfather, beloved grandfather, and he's the first in our, him and my grandmother are the first in our pack to have, like, real loss within, like, my immediate family. And, you know, Mormons, especially in, like, rural Utah, Mormon, Brigham City, Honeyville, everywhere I'm from, like, we really ran close, like, growing up. And I'm just struggling with where he is right now, and I'm not able to quite verbalize it in my grief, and I just, you know, I happen to have some time right now, I just called in, and I was just wondering if you wanted to have a discussion on that, like, where Mormonism says he is, you know, he's in the top tier, buried in the temple, faithful with my grandparent, you know, like, just all those things, as far as in Mormon, him and my grandma and my grandpa cross off all the list, just that really, kind of grandparents you see, they're in their 90s, you know, that 90s generation of Mormons that's still alive right now.

Mm-hmm. And so you want me to tell you where he is biblically, as tough as that might be? Yeah, and maybe, like, because I want to be able to, you know what I mean, like, where I'm struggling, I should know the answer, and so just, you know, okay, there's just heaven and hell, there's only two, there is a big chasm, that if it's in hell, can he see me if he's in hell? And then I go back to that Lazarus, where he knew, he said, goes to my brothers, and he just says, it's written, it's written, it's written. And so, and there's not, because before my grandpa died, he said, because he knows I'm going to hell, because I denounced Joseph Smith, and it was a really sad moment, because my grandpa's never really disappointed in me, except for, you know, this was a big disappointment in his life to have, like, grandchildren, like, grandchildren fall away. And that's all he ever wanted to talk about was Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ. Yeah. And he believed in Joseph Smith, that Joseph Smith and him are going to come to hell, and come get me.

You know, I had a bishop say that, too, like, I'll come get you, I'm going to sit on the 12 tribes, and as your bishop, like, I'll come get you. You know what I mean? Like, they, so. Right. There's no one coming to get my grandpa, though.

If he's in hell, he's in hell forever. And just, you know, like, I'm just wondering, what's the point of this grief, in this grief process? And it's really tangible, and I had such peace and Mormonism, you know, it was a bigger, better world. I had music.

I had my own planet. I can go read my journals and explain. But now. Well.

I wish I could explain it better today. Yeah, J.C., I wish I had real comforting words for you. But all I can tell you is the truth. The real words are comforting for me. The real world are comforting.

Like, the real is comforting. Well, if he died believing in Mormonism officially, then he's in hell. Mm-hmm.

Forever. Mm-hmm. There is no hope in Mormonism. I don't say that with pleasure.

I don't say it to be mean. It's grief. You know, there's a human being who has denied the true living God and has entered into eternity, having denied the true God.

And there's no hope. Maybe your tears, maybe your broken heart will reach into the hearts of other Mormons as they hear. You know, they put their faith and their trust in Joseph Smith, and the fact is... And Russell M. Nelson. And Russell M. Nelson.

Mm-hmm. They put, there's a lot of faith in him right now, too. I'm pretty shocked at the faith put in him as opposed to Jesus.

Right. That's what cults do. They don't focus on... And especially, yeah, my grandpa was indoctrinated into the cult, too. Like, he was completely indoctrinated, so he thought he knew Jesus.

He didn't. My grandpa could quote, like, he thought he knew Jesus, you know? That Joseph Smith had... That this world, he full-heartedly believed that this world needed a... You know, a, what's it called? You know, the Mormons. That it needed, you know, why Mormonism is to be? Because we, a restoration.

It needed a restoration for the work. You know, my grandpa believed that this world needed a restoration and that the Mormons have it down. And you know, here they are with, like, $120 billion.

They're doing really well. You know, the Bible asks, why do the wicked prosper? Just because someone prospers doesn't mean they're of God.

And the reason cults survive is that those cults that do survive survive and flourish because they have the right combination of events that occur. They have sufficient leadership, a sufficient following, and money that can come in. And without the money, they can't increase. So they have to have a way of money to come in. And this is what happens. So much money, so much money.

A lot of money, right. That's right. And so Mormonism, you know, it's... I can prove Mormonism's false to the Mormons right now.

And it's not an issue of an opinion. It all comes down to you either believe the word of God, the Bible, or you don't. And it was Satan who first cast doubt on the word of God when he said to Eve, did God really say? This is the work of the enemy, to say that the Bible's been corrupted, that God's word has not been preserved. And that's the eighth article of the Mormon church. And so once someone believes that, then they'll believe something else. They won't listen to God, they'll listen to another shepherd. And the Bible here in 1 Timothy 6 16, and just so you know, ladies and gentlemen, I can read the Greek here.

I can read it, I've had Greek in college and seminary. And there are no textual variants. This is not a thing that was added, manipulated, mistranslated, it's not the case. 1 Timothy 6 16 is speaking of God the Father and it says, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. And Joseph Smith said he saw God the Father.

It comes down to this. Joseph Smith contradicted the word of God. Therefore, Joseph Smith is false.

It is that fact, it is that truth, and it is that simple. What I have done is proven all of Mormonism false. Now, some Mormons might be saying, well, they saw God in the Old Testament. Yes, that's correct, they did, but it was not God in the Old Testament. Yes, that's correct, they did, but it was never God the Father. Jesus says in John 6 46, not that any man has seen the Father, except the one, talked about himself, who's from God, he has, that's himself, seen the Father.

When they were seeing God in the Old Testament, in Genesis chapter three, Acts just 24, nine through 11, Acts just six, two and three, Genesis. No, no, a lot of Mormons, agree with you, a lot of Mormons too, you know, the Heavenly Mother was supposed to, there was a lot of, that they were at this conference, they were gonna let Heavenly Mother pray to her. You know, there's so much vibing right now with women wanting to be able to pray to their Heavenly Mother, you know, more like the Catholic Church plays to Mary, you know.

Yes, not, but just, and that that got denied. Well, look, we have a break coming up, so we're gonna go to the break, okay, JC, so. Okay, so good to speak with you, God bless.

God bless, all right. Hey folks, we have four open lines, if you wanna give them a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back, please stay tuned.

Welcome back, everyone, we have four open lines, if you wanna give me a call, 877-207-2276. I just wanted to finish up on the issue of Mormonism. I know a lot of Mormons are listening right now, and because the show goes out there in Utah, in the Salt Lake City area, and south, and north. Anyway, you have to understand something, I was never a Mormon, and a Mormon didn't beat me up, and now I have this thing against Mormonism.

It's never been like that. For the most part, Mormons have been very, very polite, very nice, only one Mormon wasn't, but that doesn't represent Mormonism any more than one bad Christian represented Christianity. But the thing is, that Jesus says, in Matthew 24, 24, in the last days, many false Christs and false prophets will arise and deceive many. How do you know you're not deceived? And you might say, well, I know I'm not deceived, because the Holy Spirit bears witness of the truth.

Really? And how do you know you have the Holy Spirit? How do you know the Spirit you have is the Holy Spirit, and not a deception, a deceiving Spirit?

How do you know? Well, they'll say, well, I prayed to God. Which God? Which God did you pray to? The God of Mormonism? The God of the Book of Mormon? That's Mormonism. The God of Mormonism came from another planet.

He has a goddess wife. If that's the God you're praying to, it's not the real God, then you're gonna get a deception as an answer, because in such a prayer, what you're doing inadvertently is committing sin by praying to a false God, asking the false God to reveal truth to you, and you get a deception, you get a feeling, because it's a spiritual battle. This is why God says, have known our gods before me, and you'll say, well, wait a minute, we do have God, the God of the Bible.

No, you don't. The God of the Bible says in Psalm 90, verse two, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God. But in Mormonism, Elohim, that's God the Father, used to be a man in another world.

You cannot be God from everlasting to everlasting, and also not have been God from everlasting to everlasting, because the God of Mormonism was not God from everlasting to everlasting, but he became a God. It's not the God of the Bible. In Mormonism, God is three separate gods. The Bible says there's only one God, Isaiah 43, 44, and 45.

He doesn't even know of any other gods. And people in Mormons tell me, well, you know, the Bible says if you ask, he'll give you the answer. Well, he says if you ask for wisdom, he'll give it to you. Wisdom is a proper use of knowledge. It doesn't mean to get revelation knowledge.

It gives you, God gives you wisdom, not revelation about the truth of a book. They take that verse, James one to five, out of context, and they misapply it. And they're putting their faith in Joseph Smith, who said that God the Father appeared to him. That's what Joseph Smith said. And so, if it's the case that Joseph Smith lied about that, if it was hypothetically the case that he was lying, then Mormonism is false. Because this is what it says, and I'm gonna read to you 1 Timothy 6, 13, and I'll read it in the King James 13, 14, 15, and 16.

It's what it says. I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who, before Pontius Pilate, witnessed a good confession, that thou keep his commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only potentate, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, who only hath immortality dwelling in the light, which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen or can see. So, who dwells, who has immortality, dwelling in the light that you can't approach unto?

No man has seen or can see. This is what it says about God, God the Father. Yet Joseph Smith said he saw God the Father.

So you have to make a decision. Are you gonna believe Joseph Smith, or are you gonna believe the word of God? Joseph Smith, incidentally, was involved in the occult, in necromancy, contact in the dead, in the spirits of the dead. A lot of Mormons don't know that, but it's true.

It is true that he would do sorcery and do all kinds of mystical things in order to gain money. And the Mormon Church has polished the history and changed the history quite a bit. They polished and changed the Book of Mormon.

It's been altered, and most Mormons have no clue. And what happens is they're told to trust the feelings and that the church is true and that the restoration of the gospel occurred, except that there was no apostasy. Mormonism says there was. Jehovah's Witnesses say there was an apostasy. Christian Science says there was an apostasy. Islam says there was an apostasy.

And each one claims to be the restoration of the truth. The apostasy that's spoken of does occur, but it's spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2. And you can understand that what it's talking about is people saying the return of Christ has occurred. And he says in verse three of 2 Thessalonians, let no one in any way deceive you, for it, the apostasy, or the return of Christ, that is, will not occur until the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed. Now, these are related together, apostasy and the antichrist.

Antichrist isn't here, at least that we're aware of. And he certainly wasn't on the scene back in the 1830s when Joseph Smith said, oh, God appeared to me and gave me these golden plates. And from them, from them, I gave the Book of Mormon, which the Book of Mormon doesn't even have Mormonism in it.

That's another thing. I can get into that, but you gotta understand, folks, Mormonism is not Christian. It teaches a false god that's a god that came from another planet who has a goddess wife. He's about six feet tall and he has physical relations with his wife and having to make spirit babies.

Joseph, Brigham Young said, instead of letting any other man do it, God did it with Mary to produce the body of Jesus. This is what he said. It's in the Journal of Discourses.

It's on my website, documented. And Brigham Young said in the pulpit in Journal of Discourses, volume 13, page 95, he says that whatever he said in the pulpit was as good as scripture. Now, Joseph, I mean, Brigham Young said that. He said that. So is Mormonism true?

No, it's not. It teaches a false god and a false Christ because in Mormonism, there's a preexistence. We were all born as brothers and sisters in the preexistence between God and his goddess wife who came from another world. And then we inhabit human bodies and if you become a good Mormon, you go to the temple, after you get your temple recommend.

And then you learn the handshakes and the hugs and get your underwear and get a new name and hopefully you'll be able to become a god of your own planet. This is Mormonism, but it's certainly not Christianity. You see, Jesus says something really interesting in John 10, 27. My sheep hear my voice and they follow me.

That's what he says, they follow me. And it does not say that they'll follow anyone else but that they'll follow Jesus because Jesus is the true shepherd. And so there are false shepherds out there and the false shepherds are the ones that the cults and the people of Mormonism and stuff have followed. This is a metaphor that Jesus was speaking of. It says the false shepherds come in.

He says, my sheep follow me. And Jesus says, come to me and I'll give you rest. He didn't say, you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do, 2 Nephi 25, 23. He didn't say, as Moroni 10, 32 says, that if you deny yourself of all ungodliness then is God's grace sufficient for you.

Works, works, works, works. You see, that's not what Jesus taught. Jesus says, come to me.

So I'm gonna tell the Mormons here, if you're tired of the works you've gotta do to be right with God and you don't know if you have that assurance and you're having doubts, you're not sure, do what they did in the Bible. They prayed to Jesus. Jesus says, ask me anything in my name and I will do it, John 14, 14. And the church in Corinth, for example, called upon the name of the Lord Jesus.

That means he prayed to Christ. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you. Ask him to reveal the truth about the Bible.

Is it trustworthy? Ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins. Ask Jesus, just receive Jesus, trust in what Jesus did.

Your works aren't good enough. The works you do in Mormonism, never gonna be good enough. You're trusting in what Joseph Smith invented in your works, your baptism, the church attendance, your tithing, your temple attendance and everything else, hoping you can make it.

That's not what the scriptures teach. And for those who are hearing this, it's because God is calling you. He wants you to come to him, go to Jesus. He said, whatever you ask, I'll do.

Ask him to forgive you of all of your sins and ask him to open your heart and your mind and see what happens. All right, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We got a break and please stay tuned. Be right back. We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back, everyone.

If you wanna give me a call, four open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Daniel from Richmond, Virginia. Daniel, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, welcome back, everyone. If you wanna give me a call, four open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Daniel from Richmond, Virginia. Daniel, welcome.

You are on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you doing? By God's grace, I'm doing okay.

Hanging in there, yep. All right, all right, me too. I have a question and a quick prayer request if that'd be all right at first.

Sure, sure. All right, well, my question has to do with, like you were talking about earlier, the return of Jesus, the coming day of the Lord, starting the 14th chapter of Zachariah. And I specifically was thinking about the fourth verse about his feet standing on the Mount of Olives, the feet spread kind of very similar to Revelation chapter 10 with the angel and the little scroll.

Is this the same thing, and is this Jesus? You mean a revelation? Revelation and Zachariah from the Old Testament. Well, it says a sky, Revelation 6, it says a sky was split apart like a scroll. So I'm not sure what verse you're looking at in Revelation 10. Oh, Revelation chapter 10. Yeah, which verse in Revelation 10? Because it's a, you know, it's got... Well, I was just at the beginning when I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. And I'm reading it, uh-huh. And put his right foot on the sea and his left on the land and seven peals of thunder and a voice from heaven saying, seal these things up.

The angel whom I saw standing on the sea, sworn by him, lives forever created. I don't see anything in there that would lend me to the idea that it's the same event, okay? Okay, okay, okay. Because it was just, there was some similarity and I hadn't read it a lot, but I was just wondering if it was talking about the same thing.

And so you're pretty sure it's not. Well, what I did during the break, because I have the notes, you know, on the screen of what you want to talk about. So I went and I looked, I have a totally cool Bible program, Logos, it's just great. And it gives me cross-references. And I always look for things like, okay, let's see, is it in Revelation? And there aren't any, not that it doesn't mean that there isn't any, but this treasury of scriptural knowledge doesn't have any cross-references into Revelation.

It has it into Nahum and Habakkuk and Mark, but... So it's around the same time, like it's last day's prophecy, but just not the same event? Or would you say it's a completely different and not last day's prophecy? It's a last day's prophecy in Daniel 10. Okay, okay. It is, because it's the return of Christ and a voice from heaven and the angel.

And yeah, and so I'm scanning through it. Yeah, you must prophesy again concerning many nations and nations, tongues, and kings. And then the two witnesses come.

Then there was given a measure like a rod, yeah. And so it's certainly seen, Revelation 10, 11, certainly is eschatological and it certainly seems to be the case that the two witnesses are there about this time when this happens. So exactly, what's the timeline of all of this? Well, we know that Jesus is gonna return to Zechariah 14, four, does prophesy. They'll put his foot down on the Mount of Olives and it's gonna crack open. I heard a commentator once say that there was an earthquake fault right there on the Mount of Olives. I've actually been to the Mount of Olives. And we walked through it and it's a nice area.

And the trees, the trees are three foot, just diameter. And they're like 1800 years old or maybe even, I don't know, it's the time of Christ. And so it's really neat about going to Israel.

But anyway, so there's that. And so I've heard that this is the case, that the Mount of Olives will crack open because there's an earthquake or they think it might. And as it says in Zechariah 14, four, in that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half towards the south. Now that's interesting because that means there's gonna be a huge movement of land. And if it's gonna happen there in the Mount of Olives, it's gonna happen in through Jerusalem.

There's gonna be a lot of damage done. And so there's the talk about, in Revelation, about an earthquake. And it says in Revelation 11, for example, which is the next chapter over, and in that hour there was a great earthquake and a tenth of the city fell. Now could that be the issue of the return of Christ?

Okay? Okay, so that might correlate more to the same thing. I mean, they're both talking about the same times but maybe not the same event like you were saying.

But this might match up a little bit more. Yeah, and you'll notice that it's the two witnesses who are killed because they were able to do some stuff people didn't like. Then they were killed and the whole world rejoiced. Then it says in verse 11 of Revelation 11, but after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came to them and they stood on their feet and great fear fell upon all those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, come up here. Then they went up into heaven in the cloud and their enemies watched them. And in that hour there was a great earthquake and a tenth of the city fell. 7,000 people were killed in the earthquake and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The second one was passed. Ah, so that could be the same time as Zechariah but just over here. Could be. And I'm gonna tell you, I am not an expert on Revelation. Maybe there are people who have just been studying it and they study it a lot and they can say, well, that's close, Matt, but let me correct you on some. That's fine. But it's really hard to say no matter how much it seems. But yeah, I'm definitely not an expert such as you.

I appreciate your show, everything you've done. A friend of mine, I guess it's been within the last three or four months, right near the holidays, called you about the COVID thing and she ran a medical practice right here in Richmond. Her name was Darlene and she had a lot of facts.

I don't know if you would remember her. I talked to a lot of people who have talked about COVID and what I tell people is they can go to wonder, let's see, wonder.cdc.gov. And just wonder, it's the CDC website. Wonder.cdc.gov and what you can do then is, let's see, there's a way to find the reports but if you just do forward slash VAERS.html, then you can go to their, it's called the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention about the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and that's what the VAERS is, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. And so you can get data from the CDC website and I actually have an article on how to do this on CARM.

You can go to CARM forward slash COVID and you can read. And so long story short, all the vaccines from the 1960s and up, from all sicknesses, all the vaccines that have been invented in order to help people and they help, vaccines help. There are some side effects occasionally and some people suffer. I understand that but the overwhelming result is that great many people are helped, not against vaccines. So all the vaccines combined, excluding COVID, since 1960s, there've been like 9,000 deaths reported to all the vaccines and I mean a lot of them, since the 60s, we're talking 60 years and all vaccines combined, excluding COVID, there's been 9,000 reported deaths associated with receiving a vaccine. And the number of deaths reported connected with the COVID vaccine in just two years is 13,000. 13,000, just one vaccine of COVID.

All four of them are the main ones combined. And you're not gonna get me to take it. Yeah, I haven't had any of them either. Something Chuck Chrismeyer said about graphite and antibodies had me scared but I guess she didn't ring a bell for that but she did a lot of good in the community and she was tragically killed by a distracted driver hitting her car. And I just wanted for you and our listeners to pray for her husband, Ed Olive. And also we had a couple other deaths within the last couple of months. The family of Robert Waller, he left behind a daughter, wife and granddaughter and Vinny Auchinbach.

And Willie Williams, please, if you don't mind, sir. Okay. So sorry that two people have passed away.

But about the COVID stuff, I've done a lot of research on it and I would physically defend myself rather than receive the COVID vaccine. Oh yeah, she was very much the same way. It was just, it was really tragic that she was taken so soon. And a big part of our Bible study here but God in Jesus' name, I would pray that all those people affected by these deaths would be comforted and that you would do it only united you, thank you God.

And thank you for answering your questions, Matt, and doing what you do. And one thing, when you're talking, you could turn the volume up on your output level on the radio because you're just so kind and speak gently and the ads are a lot louder than you. Yeah, the ads are. Well, let me try something here. This is my output.

I don't know if it's gonna affect that at all. Can you hear me any better right now? Oh, well, I'm on the telephone. I'm away from my radio. But yeah, I can hear you just sign over the telephone. But just on the radio, I've noticed that I do appreciate the way you speak but you could turn it up a little bit.

Others have said they have trouble hearing us and callers and stuff like that on the radio. So, yeah, things will remind me. I wanted to talk to the engineers about that. So, yeah, I've heard that. And I do talk softly sometimes. And my voice is deeper than most.

So it gets buried in road noise when you're on the radio. Yeah, and you're super smart. So sometimes you talk quickly.

But I'm not nitpicking you. God bless you. You do a lot more than you know for people. Thank you very much, Mr. Slick. Well, thanks a lot, buddy. Appreciate that. All right.

Yeah, man. I'll talk to you later. Okay. All right, let's just jump over to Vicki from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Vicki, welcome. You are on the air. Yes, sir. I have a question. It's easy. And I'll try to speak slow so you can understand me. I know I speak fast sometimes. When somebody dies, like in my mind, I picture you always think, oh, you know, you would picture them being in heaven with their new body and stuff. But that's not really the way it works, is it?

Timing-wise. I mean, are we just with them in spirit until the rapture? Yes.

Very good. But then I know that those two prophets were who it was that returned with Christ before he ascended. There were two guys that ascended into heaven with him, but they were in their bodies, so. I don't know what two guys you're talking about. Which two guys? There's Elijah and Enoch, and then there's the two witnesses of Revelation 11.

I'm not sure which two. I think he said the two that ascended with Christ into heaven. When he came after he returned, after he was resurrected, he was resurrected and he ascended into heaven. There were not, okay, no, no, no, that's okay. There weren't any, when Jesus ascended into heaven, you're talking about the first time, right? He ascended into heaven, the only one. Nobody went with him.

It was just him. Oh, I'm really confused then, okay. I need to start listening to somebody good who gives me the right information, because obviously you haven't taught me appropriately. Well, you know, you've got to understand that there are times when I make my mistakes, that's for sure.

I don't claim to have all the answers, and I'm certainly open to being corrected, but I've just not ever seen anything that I remember in scripture that says when Jesus, after his resurrection, ascended into heaven, that there were two people with him. Okay? So it didn't happen. All right, well, there's the music. That's all right, that's all right. I figured, all right, Vicki, well, God bless. Okay. Thank you. Okay, bye.

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