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What are your thoughts on that? Would you accept a child to come forward and accept Christ at that age, dissuade that, and make it all the time? Children are different at different ages. I've got three daughters, and one of them, let's say, this is for real, read her first novel, children's novel, at the age of 4. The other one, who's in her 20s, still hasn't read one. So there's quite a difference, okay? Of course, the one who has a red one, she's a genius when she draws, but the first one isn't a genius.

They're just so different. So at 8 years old, as an example, would one be ready, another one not be ready? It depends. So what I generally say to people is if a child wants to receive Christ, it's up to the parents really to determine if they think that's legitimate, because a child is best known by the parents.

Apparently, Christian parent, of course, would want their child to receive Christ and truly believe. Well, can Bob do it at 8 and Frank can't do it at 8? Certainly possible. So it just depends. I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was convincing, you know, you believe that they really do understand. Okay, yeah. Yeah, okay.

Very good. Thank you, Matt. God bless. All right, God bless. Okay, let's get to Jose from North Carolina.

Jose, what do you got, man? Hello, can you hear me okay? Oh, we got a break. Yep, I can.

Can you hold on? We got a break, buddy. All right, just kind of came up there. All right.

Absolutely. Hey, folks, you have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Give me a call. We'll be right back. All right, we're at the bottom of the hour, and it's a nice Friday. I hope you guys are having a great time out there in radio land. If you want to give me a call, we have two open lines, 877-207-2276. Jose, you're back on the air. All right.

What do you got, buddy? Hi. My question is based off of an experience I'm having in my area here. It's been a long time since I've been to church, but I have stepped into three of them, and each of these has had a woman as the pastor.

Okay. These women are the leaders there, and I have been listening to this radio station all day long, and that seems to have come up a lot. Because I've been on the road working all day, I'm not sure where to find this scripture, and I guess my adventure continues, searching for a church that's not doing this. Yeah, women pastors are not biblical. Now, I know that out there on the East Coast where a lot of these radio waves go out to that people are driving, and they just don't agree with me.

If you don't agree with me, you're flat out wrong. I'm going to read the scriptures, and I'm going to prove to you from the word of God. I'm going to do a little bit of Bible study right now, Jose, okay, so that we can get this settled.

Thank you. Now, once again, in 17 years of doing radio, I'll offer out a debate. If someone wants to debate me on this issue publicly using scripture, let's do it.

Now, I've offered this debate for 17 years off and on. Not a single person has taken me up on it, and I'll tell you why. Because they know what the scriptures say, and they're a rebellion against the word of God, and I'll tell them to their face they're a rebellion against the word of God.

Why would I say that? Because they're a rebellion against the word of God. So let me answer some questions here by teaching. Paul says in 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, for it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. So this is what Paul says. He does not allow a woman to exercise or to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, for it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.

Now, I'm going to explain a couple things. Some people say it means a particular woman. I do not allow a woman. It's a somewhat particular woman he was being polite about didn't want to offend her. Doesn't allow this one woman. That's not the case, because Paul repeatedly names names in the scriptures.

You know, Tychicus, Timothy. He has no problem naming names, and he has no problem calling people out on the carpet condemning them by name. So this is just not a good excuse. It was just some woman he's being polite about, and this doesn't work. And it says, but they're to remain quiet. The word here in Greek is hessoukiia. It is not the word segao. Hessoukiia means keep it down.

You're still speaking. So there's a crowd of people, and you say, hey, can you be hessoukiia? And then they lower their volume, and then they're talking still. That's what hessoukiia means. It means keep it down, lower, be silent, but not completely silent.

Segao means no speech, no sound. That's not what is being spoken of here. And he says, for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve. So he's tying this to the created order.

This is what he says. Now what I'm going to do is go to 1 Timothy chapter 3. I just read to you 1 Timothy chapter 2 verses 12 and 13. Now I'm going to go to 1 Timothy 3.

This is just the next chapter over, just the next chapter. It is a trustworthy statement. If any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. Or no overseer must be above reproach the husband of one wife. Temperate, prudent, respectful, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine. He has to manage his own household well. Does a woman fit this job? No. Not when it says a man of one woman, a husband of one wife.

That's what it says. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity. If a man can't manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God? And not a new convert, so he'll not become conceited, etc.

He must be of good reputation. And it goes on and it says deacons, verse 8, likewise must be men of dignity, not double tongued. So deacons can't be women. That's what it says. And he can't be addicted to wine or fond of sordid gain.

So people say, you know, come on, this is ridiculous. And it goes on in verse 10. These men must also first be tested. Then let them serve as deacons if they're gone reproach. Women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips. He's talking about men and women in the church. Deacons, verse 12, must be husbands of only one wife.

Right? Now, I'm going to read to you two verses, 14 and 15. I'm writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long, but in case I'm delayed, excuse me, I am writing so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar in support of truth. Paul, the apostle, is telling us specifically how things are to be done in the church. Deacons are to be husbands of one wife. The bishop, Episcopas, the overseer, husband of one wife. In 1 Timothy 2, women are not to have teaching authority over men in the church. Now, I'm going to go to Titus chapter 1, starting at verse 5. For this reason I left you in Crete, this is Paul talking again, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. How does a woman fit that job?

They can't. Having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach, et cetera. It looks like what's happening here is that the overseer and the elder are one and the same. An elder is an overseer. Now what I'm going to do is go to 1 Timothy 5.17.

The elders who rule well. Now, I'm going to tell you a little bit, give you a little Greek lesson. In Greek, nouns have gender. Masculine, feminine, and neuter. We don't really do that in English. But there are a few words that have gender embedded in them.

Girl, man, woman, boy, daughter, son. They have gender by definition in what they are, even though the wacko liberals today are trying to confuse all that. But nevertheless, in Greek, it says elders, it's presbruteroi, which is the masculine plural. The elders, masculine plural. If you want to be neuter, there's a way to say it in neuter. But it's not neuter here. Neither male nor female. It could just be whoever.

He doesn't. Paul says the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So now we know that the preacher is by definition an elder. And the preacher, the pastor, is supposed to be a male, with the husband of one wife, a man of one woman. Anermeos gonaikos in the Greek.

Now, one more thing. Ephesians 4, 11 says this. And he gave some as the apostles.

I mean, this is in the Greek. Some as the apostles and some as the prophets and some as the evangelists and some as the pastors and teachers. But the pastor and the teacher are similar. For the equipping of the saints, for the work of service to the building of the body of Christ. It says here, for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the service. So the pastor is to build up in the work of service. And for the unity of the faith, it says. And we know from Titus, and you can read it in 1 Timothy, that they're supposed to be able to teach sound doctrine. This is Titus 1, 9, holding fast to the faith of the word, which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able to both exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. So when you have a woman pastor, she is not teaching sound doctrine. She is not refuting those who contradict.

She's in a place of rebellion. She's denying the clear teaching of Paul the apostle, who was called as the apostle to the Gentiles, who gave us instruction on how we're to be in the household of God, which is a church. He says the elders, who are also pastors in 1 Timothy 5, 17, who are pastors, who are also elders, are to be, according to Titus 1, 5-7, and also 1 Timothy 3, a man of one woman, a husband of one wife. So can a woman be a pastor? No. Okay?

So leave the church. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That is so much trouble. Thank you very much for pointing this out. Like I said, it's been a while, and I'm just like, I need to get back.

I've got to do something, and I'm walking in, and I'm seeing this weird, horrible mess. Yes. Thank you.

We've got a break coming up, so I want to talk through you until the break and maybe a little bit afterwards. But I did my research. I've done a lot of research on this, and I went through denominations and found out different denominations at a whole bunch when they adopted women pastors and also when they adopted pro-homosexual stuff. Eighty percent of the denominations that adopted women pastors within a generation, maybe a generation and a half, adopted pro-homosexual movement. This is because, in my opinion, they're subjecting the Word of God to their feelings.

I've had women tell me, I'm a pastor, and God called me. How do you know? Because I have the gifting. Because I feel it. I know it. So I say, oh, so you're judging truth by your experience. Not the Word of God. No wonder you're where you are.

Heresies abound everywhere. All right, buddy. You've got to go, okay?

There's the break. All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages to open lines 877-207-2276.

If you go to a woman pastor church, leave it, okay? We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Yes, I'm very, very serious about this issue within pastors and elders because the Scriptures teach it. And I firmly believe that when women step into the positions that are ordained by God for men, that men are in rebellion against God as well when they permit it, when they support it. And God has called us men to defend the truth, and we're to do that. But with the attack on masculinity so prevalent in our culture, no wonder women are stepping up to do men's jobs. We men need to step up lovingly, patiently, with strength, dedication to the Word of God and say, no, I will not put up with this lie.

I will not put up with this. They need to rebuke the women pastors and elders and say, according to God's Word, this is it. And if the women don't like it, who cares? So what?

It's not an issue of what they like. What does the Word of God say? That's what the issue is. And so we need to be following God's Word.

That's what it is. Men need to lead. Now, I'm going to tell you something really quickly. You need Godly, okay? When Adam and Eve were in the garden, Eve sinned first. She gave the fruit to Adam. They both hid themselves after they sinned. The pre-incarnate Christ came to them and said, to the man, where are you?

Even though she sinned first, he addressed the man. This is because the men are the ones who are like the captain of the ship. If he puts someone good in charge and he goes to sleep and they run aground, the captain's going to be in trouble. The captain of the ship. You are as men, as husbands. That's what you are in the church. You're captains. Act like captains. You study the Word of God and you lead. And if the women behind you don't want you to lead, then leave them behind. But you follow Jesus Christ.

Let them follow the truth of who Christ is. Don't let them lead by their emotions and their experiences and say, I know that I was called to be a patcher. How do you know that? Because I feel it. Because I have the gifting.

Because people want that. All of it's in rebellion against the Word of God. What does the Scripture say?

The Scriptures speak to the contrary of their experience and their desires. And the reason, I'll lay this at the feet of the men, the reason women pastors exist is because the men aren't doing their jobs. They're not doing their job.

We are not doing our job. We need to stand up for the truth in a godly way and not fear what our wives, our girlfriends, the ladies around us are going to say, we lead with truth. I'm going to tell you, when you do, you're going to make a lot of mistakes.

Welcome to the club. But you keep your eyes on Jesus. And as it says, as Paul the Apostle says in 1 Corinthians 16, 13, I'm going to read it to you. Be on the alert. Stand firm in the faith. Act like men. Be strong.

1 Corinthians 16, 13. Check that out, okay? All right, let's get to Angel from Florida. Angel, welcome. You're on the air again. Hey, what's going on, Matt? Nothing, just rebuking a bunch of people.

No standard stuff. This next one is going to be about pedobaptism. So I've had conversations with my Credo friends, and their main objection to my pedobaptist position is Hebrews chapter 8. And they'll cite to me verse 6 and tell me, okay, what makes the New Covenant better than the old one? And it would be, they would say it's because it's believers only.

And I would say, why? And then they would say, verse 11, that everyone in his brother's saying, know the Lord, for all will know me, from the least to the greatest of them. They say that if it's all believers only, how can infants be in there? Who says infants can't know the Lord?

Simple. Who says that? God grants that they believe, Ephesians 1.29 and in Psalm 22.9 it says, you'd make me believe without my mother's breast.

That's what it says. So they assume infants can't believe. But God would grant that they believe, Ephesians 1.29. So where do they get off saying a child can't believe or an infant can't believe? They'll say, well, how do you know they can? I'm not saying they can or can't. I'm saying, how do you know that your position is correct?

You're the one asserting it. You go to the scriptures here. But we have scripture where it says, God grants that people believe, Ephesians 1.29, and even it says, you did make me believe without my mother's breast. That's Psalm 22.9. Okay? That's what it says.

You did make me trust when upon my mother's breasts. That's what it says. And so when they say these things, that's a problem. Don't assume that their position has any validity.

They are making assumptions with the text. And second, who is this for? This is something I still have to work through, to be honest. Because it says I'll effect a new covenant. With whom? With the house of Israel. And I ask them, who's the house of Israel? Is that the Gentiles? This is the covenant that God makes with the house of Israel. It says that in verse 8 and 9 and then 10. This is the covenant they'll make with the house of Israel. So you're saying it's the Gentiles?

Is that the house of Israel? Have them do some examination of what it is they're teaching. See if it fits the text. Okay? Then ask them.

Also. Go ahead. Wouldn't it be a form of like, kind of denying God's grace, like the power of it by saying that babies couldn't believe? Wouldn't that be making an argument that they have to intellectually ascend to a certain level to even get God's grace?

They would assume that's the position. But see the thing is, can babies be saved? If they die, yes. But they can only be saved by Jesus, right? And you ask them.

And it's a good question. How then are they saved? Are you saying they weren't even confessing Christ and didn't believe? And yet they're going to heaven? Are you saying there's a different means of salvation for babies? See people don't think through what they're saying.

Now I'm not saying that babies are granted this act of intellectual acknowledgement and hypostatic union about Christ's two natures. I'm not saying that. And I don't know how it works.

God doesn't tell us. But you've got to be aware that people will make these statements and assuming that they're true. Well how do you know? It's like an atheist woman who's a well-known atheist was on a national TV thing called my radio one day and we had a little discussion. And she said all babies are born atheists. She'd been saying this and people are trying to, you know, well no they're not all born atheists. They're assuming that she was correct. And I said, when she said that to me, I said, how do you know that? Do you know the hearts and minds of all babies? She goes, well no. How do you know they're born atheists?

How do you know they're not born believing in God yet to learn how to be an atheist? She had never had anybody respond to her like that. She was flabbergasted.

She didn't know what to say. You don't assume that what they're saying is true and read what they're saying. Because it does say there the house of Israel. What is the house of Israel? This is why I'm having trouble with this phrase and what it means in the context of the new covenant.

Because I just haven't done the homework yet, I've got to really study it. Because it says the house of Israel. And yet it certainly implies that, you know, later in the covenant it talks about Israel and about other Gentiles as well. But the phrase house of Israel occurs 151 times in the Bible and the NASB. 151 times.

And so if the house of Israel occurs so many times in the Old Testament, well then in the New Testament, I don't even know how many times. Let me scroll. I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling down to see if I can find out where and how many. One, two, three, four, five, six. Six times? I don't know if that's exactly accurate, but I was scrolling pretty quickly.

About six times. And it says in Matthew 10, six, but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In Matthew 15, 24, Jesus says, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. See, he was not sent to the Gentiles. The house of Israel is Israel. He was not sent to us Gentiles.

People don't know that, and I just cause a ruckus with people going, what? He was not sent covenantally to us. He was sent covenantally to Israel. Israel rejected the Messiah, broke the covenant. We were grafted in.

That's how it works. And so, in Acts 2, 36, therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ. Talking to the Jews. Acts 7, 42. Stephen is quoting, it is not written to me, is it not to me that you offered victims and sacrifices 40 years in the wilderness? Was it, was it, oh house of Israel? And in the end Hebrews 8, I will effect a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. So if you ask them, what does that mean in the context?

Does it mean the Gentiles? Okay. Let's see what they say. All right? All right, buddy.

All right, man, God bless. All right, let's get to Doug from Indiana. Hey, Doug, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, Matt. Hey, thanks for having me. I have a question about your opening statement on one of your love letters you got about the new world order. Okay.

Global citizenship. The way I understand the Bible is that we are supposed to build the kingdom of God, which I think includes the whole earth. And I was wondering why some preachers say as soon as you mention this, they say that's a satanic type way to go. I'm not sure, I'm following you. So the new world order, are they saying the new world order is satanic? Well, some people do. Even my mother, you know, they say, oh, that's satanic.

You shouldn't be doing that. And I'm saying, hey, mom, you're supposed to be building the kingdom of God. But I was wondering if there's any scriptures that says that Satan's going to control the world under this new world order. Or is this all just like speculation or whatnot? Well, it does say in Revelation 16, I think it says, cause all the world, where is it, that they cannot buy or sell. So the antichrist is going to be in charge of a lot of stuff.

Revelation 13, sorry. And so we know that the antichrist is possessed by the devil. And he provides that no one will be able to buy or sell except the one who has the mark.

So the implication is that there is going to be a worldwide control that he's going to have. And that no one is able to buy or sell except you have that mark. Which is reminiscent of the idea you cannot go into a store and participate unless you have your vaccine passport. I'm not saying the vaccine passport is the same thing, but it is a means of conditioning the sheeple to just believe, okay, I'll do my passport so I can breathe and eat and do everything right. And then they'll go, yeah, that's fine. And then somebody else comes along, okay, I'm used to it, I'll just sign up.

This is one of the concerns I've got. So the follow-up question would be, are we building the kingdom of God as what we're doing and Satan's going to take it? Or are we helping Satan build his empire? We're actually in the kingdom of God right now. We're in the kingdom of Christ. People don't know that.

They think that, no, no, it can't be. But Jesus said in Matthew 12, 22 through 32 that Satan was bound already. And he says in Mark 13, Matthew 13, that if you just read through the whole chapter, that the wicked will be taken out of his kingdom. And the wicked are the ones taken before the Christians. Since the Christians, they say, is taken before the millennium, as they say, but yet the wicked are taken before the Christians, according to Jesus' own words in Matthew 13, 30.

And he says they'll be taken out of his kingdom that his kingdom has to be now. Okay? Okay, thank you very much. There's a lot more that could guide into it. Okay, buddy. All right. Can you be a Christian in political?

Absolutely, yes, you can. Buskman, call back Monday, we'll talk about it. And Gerald on the curse of Ham.

That would be interesting. Call back Monday, let's talk about that. May the Lord bless you this weekend, everybody. I hope you all have a great time and a good weekend. By God's grace, we're back on here on Monday. We'll talk to you then. Another program powered by the Truth Network.