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Your chosen Truth Network Podcast is playing now. by the nature of a God. My, my reason, let me tell you what I was reasoning. Um, okay. The guy by his nature is holy. And that's important. But I also, he has another quality which is omnipotent, which means he can do anything. You think he desires anything?

Yeah. Anything he desires, which made me, it's made me question if he can't lie, then he can't do anything. So how can he be omnipotent? Omnipotent. Yeah, I can explain that, but go ahead. But then I thought, well, I guess there are some things that are impossible even for God logically, because one, I just thought like God cannot both exist and not exist. Correct.

So that means there are things that God technically can't do, even though he's omnipotent. So it was kind of confusing to me, but I thought about it and came around to think maybe you are right about that. So I just want to admit that. Well, good.

I'm glad. Let's talk about a little bit more. All right. Because a lot of times critics of Christianity will say, the Christian God can do anything. And I say, that's not true. Let me see.

What? And they don't understand that the Christian God is limited to his own nature. He cannot lie. He cannot stop being God and then be God again. He cannot stop having the attributes that he has, which are part of his nature and his essence.

And so God has a quality of holiness. When people want to discuss the Christian God, I often have to tell them what the Christian God's perspective is. Reminds me last night, I was having a big discussion with a philosophy guy. He loves philosophy. He's an atheist. And he was saying, and it took a long time to understand what he was trying to say.

I'll tell you that because he was so convoluted in my opinion. But he said, in order for a mind to exist, it has to be able to contemplate externals. I'm like, well, what are you getting at? You know? Okay, I'll go with that for now. And then he said, see, that means the Christian God can exist.

I go, no, no, no. You just said that. I said, no, no, I didn't understand what you're getting at. And so I said, the Christian God thinks of things in his own mind and there was nothing external to him.

His, the externality has no bearing on God's existence. And he wouldn't accept this because he had a worldview that was not consistent with the Christian worldview. And I said, if you're going to argue the Christian worldview, you have to know the Christian worldview. So when you called up yesterday, you were trying to argue the Christian worldview and no disrespect meant, but you don't know the Christian worldview. And you know, it's not just pointing fingers.

It's like, no, come on. That this is what God really said. This is what the Bible actually says. And so, you know, Titus one, two, God cannot lie.

He can't. And you also mentioned the laws of logic. Now have you ever thought about why the laws of logic exist? Why logic itself exists? Well, God created them. I would say, is that, is that correct?

No. If God created them, then that would mean there was a time when logic and truth and absolutes did not exist. And so what we say is that God revealed his own thinking in what we call logical processes, because God is perfect and knows all things all the time, then all of his thoughts are going to be perfect.

But the only way to know his perfection is in his self-revelation. We cannot say that there's a quality of logical paradigms that God must answer to. Then that would mean that the logical paradigms are more ultimate than God, then that would not be the Christian God because the Christian God is ultimate and what we call the necessary preconditions for intelligibility. So the laws of logic, for example, the law of identity, something is what it is and is not what it is not the law of non-contradiction, something cannot be both true and false at the same time, same sense, same way. Law of excluded middle statements, which are true or false, or law of proper inference. If A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C. These are basic laws of logic, but they are abstractions.

They're universally true and they do not vary. Well, if they're abstractions, then it requires a mind. And since they're invariant and universal, the implication is a universal invariant mind. And so God, well, I'm skipping steps, but God then is the necessary condition that makes the universality or the universals of the logical laws possible. They are a revelation of his essence and we recognize them. We discover them because they come from God. And so there was never a time when they were not real because they're part of God's nature, which he reveals to us transcendentally. Make sense?

Yeah, it does. Well, I mainly just wanted to call because I, I, I, I made a statement about the nature of God that I used to be untrue, so I definitely wanted to call back and collect the record, but it's still, it's still, uh, it's still really perplexing to me that, you know, God has, it seems like one quality has to yield to the other, but like God's wholeness, but God's omnipotence has to yield to his holiness. So it's, it's really kind of, it is kind of a tricky paradox in a way.

I'm still thinking about it, but I think that ultimately. Let me, uh, let me explain. One does not, one attribute of God does not yield to another. And I know you're just looking for words, you know, I'm not going to harp on you that one, one word yield. But in a Christian theological perspective, there's a doctrine called divine simplicity. And this means that the nature of God in the Trinitarian sense, God is one simple thing. God, he's one simple thing. When we mean simple, we don't mean he's not everywhere all the time. We mean his nature is a simple thing.

It's just what he is. It's one thing, divine simplicity. He's not made up of parts. And we would not all, we'd also say that he is not consisting of one part of holiness and another part of omniscience and another part of omnipotence. And then we have to set those parts in harmony and we have to understand how those parts work with each other. That's not the Christian perspective. Again, we say that all of them, all of those, use the word parts for now, but that's not the right word. But all of those characteristics I should say of God are part and parcel of his essence. Would you say it's a mystery then it's something that's incomprehensible to the human mind, but just something we have to accept? Of course.

Absolutely. And there's nothing wrong with that. You know, people will ask me questions about God sometimes and I'll say, I don't know. I don't know how God thinks, you know, he's not told me. And so what we see in scripture is that God is eternal. He knows all things. He's holy. He doesn't change. There's only one thing that he is. He says, I am.

He just reveals himself. And are there mysteries? Of course there are.

Absolutely. And a lot of people make a mistake of thinking, well, if there's a mystery, that means God can't be true. Now some will say that. Oh, if there's a paradox, then God can't be, your God can't be true.

Wait, wait a minute. Are you saying then that you must be able to comprehend the universal infinite being? If you can comprehend the universal infinite being in all those aspects, then how is the universal infinite and different than you? He's just subject to your mind. And that's not the God of Christianity either.

So I have to teach people what the Christian God's perspective is or the Christian perspective of who God is. And a lot of times they just don't know. And I'm not mad at them. I'm going to call them names. I just say, this is what the perspective is. You need to understand this. In fact, if you want, I can read to you a bit because we have no nobody waiting, but if you were interested, I could read to you a definition of the Christian God. I have something I've been working on for a while. Now you say, okay, I guess you said, sure. Is that what you, I didn't know if I heard you. Yeah.

Okay. Well, let's see if I can get my file up and I'm like, I activated it. Now I got to find it. Where did it go? It's on my desktop.

I got 18 windows open. So hold on. There it is.

All right. There we go. So I'm going to do is go down to the section I have called God and define God.

So here we go. Now I have to insert this one sentence into the paragraph, but God is one is the one and only eternal, Supreme Trinitarian being who is the creator of heaven and earth and of whom there is no one greater. He's the only God who is in all places at all time. There have been no gods before him and there will be no gods after him. He's the only uncreated necessary Trinitarian being.

I got to make these more concise, but I'm still working on it. The one and only uncreated necessary Trinitarian being eternally consisting of three simultaneously distinct persons, fathers and holy spirit. The three persons share the same divine essence. This is called the ontological Trinity, but express different functions in creation. This is called the economic Trinity.

Neither person derives his substance from either or both of the others. The Trinity is not comprised of parts, but is of one simple or is one simple divine being. This is called divine simplicity in the Trinity are unity and diversity, which are equally basic and mutually dependent upon one another.

Now that sentence takes some time to unpack, but I can, but nevertheless, I'll continue. God is spiritual in nature, non-contingent, unchanging, transcendent, and sovereign. God has nothing against which he can be compared and defined. Therefore, he is self-revealed in creation, scripture, and Jesus. He is the ultimate source of all truths, all actualities, and all potentialities. Goodness, mercy, love, holiness, et cetera, are revealed by him as an expression of his nature. Therefore, that which is good is known by comparison to God's nature, which is holy and righteous. There is no condition in which the Christian God might exist or could not exist, since that would not be the God of the Bible. God's incommunicable attributes stress his transcendence, and his communicable attributes stress his imminence.

And I can explain that to you later sometime. He created the universe as well as people. God is neither included in space nor absent from it. He does whatever he pleases and ordains all that occurs. He possesses infinite wisdom, knowledge, presence, and power that manifests out of his good and holy nature. He is the ultimate standard of all that is good.

We'll judge all people, et cetera. You want a hold? We got nobody waiting. You got a break. You want a hold, buddy?

I just want to try to correct the record. Thanks, Matt. Okay, man. Hey, buddy. Hey, everybody. Hey, buddy, can you call for open lines 877-207-2276? All right. Welcome back, everybody. Now, we have nobody waiting, so I'm going to give you the number, and then I might just get a little bit of hate mail, because people like hate mail, and sometimes I do it on Fridays, and I've got some good ones. Oh, man.

So the number is 877-207-2276. So here's something. A response to your article on homosexuality. Nothing makes me more sick than for you to say that they should not be put to death.

Not being under the law only means that we're no longer justified by the law and are not under the law, curse of the law, do it on me, blah, blah, blah. And even, God says, reprobate, deserve death in verse 32. Wow. So this guy, he says that homosexuals should be killed. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all.

We're not under the old covenant. But anyway, it's just a complaint, and there's a lot that he has said, and I'm not able to go through it all. But that was, you know, that's interesting. So how about this one?

Let's see. Hey, I just wanted to comment on something that I found to be a bit baffling regarding the article you wrote as a response to atheists that claimed there is no proof that God exists. You actually say that atheists cannot claim there is no proof for God because that would require them to know all things.

Thus, he cannot logically say there is no proof for God's existence, and that at best, all he can say is none of the theories given so far prove anything. And then he, I can't, I can't repeat what he said. He said something, and then called me Einstein. Before I heard of you, whenever I saw the title Theologian, religion would come to mind, now instead thinks, oh, now, now, thanks to you, I think I'm professional. I love this stuff. I don't know what's wrong with me, but I get a kick out of it. What's wrong with me, but I get a kick out of it. He says, you remind me of the scarecrow for The Wizard of Oz. You, you need a brain.

Oh, this is awesome. I also read the article that talks about dealing with the problem of who created God. You, you write an overly verbose and pedantic article that upon the end of which you give the same answer given by all atheists.

What's that? After making me read all the, you, you give the same cop-out that all atheists, or all theists give, that God is by definition eternal. You know what I define you to be? A true bonafide moron.

And then he says something I can't read over the air. So I can't help it. I just can't help it. I get a kick out of it. I just love, love that.

Let's try this one. I just read your article on the harms of gay marriage. You are, I'll just have to reinterpret this. You're messed up in the head. And I can't wait for the day that all of you burn in hell. Sorry, in imaginary hell, because I'm not as messed up in the head as you are. I'm having to reread a few words, folks, as you are to believe in the make believe stories written by man to put fear in people. I'm referencing the Bible for you.

I can't read that either. But I'll just say, you idiots that can't figure it out. Burn in hell, you pitiful, pitiful pigs. Oh, man. You know, I actually enjoy talking to people like that in real life.

I enjoy talking to them. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. So because of my position that I don't believe homosexuality is right now, all of a sudden, I'm worthy of going to the hell that you don't believe in. Where did you get your moral standard from? What's you know, what are you so full of hate and condemnation? Well, I'm telling you, that's when I read, read of those before or read of scripture, which says God gives them over to a reprobate mind. Oh, man, I'm telling you, you just got to you know, you just got to wait for them to calm down when you read this. And yeah, man, the Bible talks about people like you giving over to the depravity of their hearts and their minds to believe a lie. What do you say?

You know, and then, you know, you just got to wait till they're done and then say that I love doing this after they've given me. I do this on purpose. Sorry, but I do. They'll give me some some irrational, just volcanic eruption of hatred and illogic. And why I'm completely wrong. And I'm a bigot and I'm full of hate. Well, they're just guilty of what they're accusing me of. And then when they're done, I just pause for a few seconds and I say, you're wrong. That's all I say.

I'm telling you. It sets them off. And then you get another two minutes of, you know, thoughts on anything. And then they go on and on and on and on. And then I after two or three minutes, I'll go, are you done? Are you done? Yeah, you still remember, I'll say no.

And you're still wrong. I'll tell you, it's called tweaking them. I can't help it. I don't know. I like I like hate mail and I don't know what it is. I guess I got issues.

But when people insult me online and stuff, I get the biggest kick out of it. Wow, I would have to disagree with you that Jesus was baptized in water. Someone says the river of Jordan's scene was just a symbolic gesture that symbolized water as the metaphoric agent of the baptismal spirit.

Where do you get this? Are the Book of Second Moronicals? Jesus taught his disciples that the light within each one of them was the light of Christ, the light of the light of Christ. This is New Age philosophy. OK, you have the divine light within you. You must get into the divine consciousness.

That's what they do. You might be going this light was the light of the Father within and still is today. This is common knowledge to anyone who knows the teaching of Jesus. When water is used as the baptismal process, it metaphorically crunches the light within. Therefore, is the definition of antichrist against the light. John suggests that he is doing this with water, but he's not doing it with water.

He is doing this with water, but one will come later and baptize you with spirit fire. Question is, where is the individual? That's what the question is. Question is, where is that individual?

The Gospel of Thomas, narrated by Jesus. I'm going to tell you guys, this guy does not have all his pots in a litter box. I'm telling you, you know, his ratchet is slipping. You know, he's using five W to 41.

He should be using 20. The Gospel of Thomas gives us the secret of the baptism process with the spirit of fire. And it is amazing that all these years since Jesus was murdered, that the baptism by water still exists, indicating that the antichrist is alive and well with those who are baptized with water. Wow. So if you're baptized with water, now you're the antichrist.

Wow. Yeah, this is New Age claptrap. You know, it's just you go to a New Age conference, you know, and you just sit there and you listen to people get up there up there and they're talking, you know, and the Christ consciousness is the ethereal presence that divinely indwells you, which is why you're divine. Just get in tune to divine light. Well, how do you do that?

Well, what you do is you sit and you face north while you're sucking on a Tootsie Pop, and then you do three clap hands while you're saying the word, hoo-ba-ha-ba-ha-ba. And that's what they do. It's you know, it's just I've been to New Age conventions and it is make it up as they go. That's what this guy did. So the preceding statement is backed by over six decades, he says, of esoteric document study and doesn't take any specific religion over another.

In fact, religion is not a doctrine of spiritual teaching that individuals like Jesus started out to teach. I would say to him, you're wrong. What? Here we go again. All right, folks, there's a break and we'll get back to the caller.

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Eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. Let's get to Brett from Des Moines, Iowa. Brett, welcome. You're on the air.

Oh, thank you for taking my call, Mr. Slick. Sure. I, I read a lot of Charles Spurgeon sermons, and my wife got me the Spurgeon Study Bible, which is pretty much a Bible with commentary by him in it. Well, it's a Christian standard Bible. And I don't know, is that a good Bible to read from? I mean, I usually read King James, but it so far through Genesis, I haven't read anything that was completely out of line, you know, a little different. Well, yeah, it's, I haven't heard anything bad about it. And, you know, so it's fine. You know, if she's your loving wife has given you a Bible, she wants you to read with good notes. The notes are probably be very good.

Spurgeon was very knowledgeable. I would check the translations with the NASB, which I believe is okay. NASB?

NASB. New American Standard Bible. That's the one I use. And that's the one that I think is more accurate, at least in the Greek. And I'm not saying that the Bibles aren't great, but I have one verse that I kind of judge Bibles by. That's Romans 518, because I've studied the verse so long. Romans 518?

Yes. Which says in the, in the Christian standard Bible, it says, so then as through one trespass, there is condemnation for everyone. So also through one righteous act, there is justification leading to life for everyone. Well, that's not a good translation. I understand why they say it that way. I understand what they're doing and not intending to be misleading, but because of what it actually says in the Greek, people have to soften it because they don't understand biblical theology during the translation process. And so the NASB translators, what they did was they want, they said, we don't care what our theology is. What does the Bible say? And they translated it best as they could to the Greek.

And because of that, you can learn more. Now, the ESV, people will say, well, the ESV, you know, is really good, which it is, you know, the ESV is a great Bible and I recommend people check it out. I don't agree with it and everything, but you know, it's okay.

People are going to say, well, they don't agree with the, with the NASB and everything. No Bible in English is perfect. So what I recommend is if you've got King James already, well, then go with the King James, go with the CSB, and then get the NASB also and just compare them. And when you're curious why they're a little bit different, go study and you'll find truths that you didn't know were there. Yeah, I've done that with other Bibles, just compared verse for verse, the verses that I really understood in the King James. And, you know, I haven't had one that was too terrible yet.

I've got this one. You said Romans 5, 18. It says, so then as though one trespassed, there is condemnation for every man, so also through one righteous act, there is justification leading to life for everyone. For justice through one man's disobedience, the many were made sinners, so also through one man's obedience, the many will be made righteous. Yeah, that's good. That verse 19 is really good.

That's okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know, see, what it really says is, as to one transgression, condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness, even so through one act of righteousness, justification of life to all men. And so what translations do is, I don't want to get too much into it, is they will change the wording, because what it literally says, I'll do this quickly. There's two sentences in verse 18 joined by a conjunction, you know, even so or so as. So sentence A and sentence B. Sentence A says through one transgression, condemnation to all men.

There is no verb. It just says through one transgression, condemnation to all men. Even so, that's the conjunction, through one act of righteousness, justification of life to all men. So sentence A and sentence B are parallel. Each one is speaking of one man and the result of the action of one man. So in the first sentence, it's Adam resulted in condemnation to all, and the text actually says, therefore, or even so, through one act of righteousness, you take the verb.

You transfer it down from A to B, because it's the same sentence. The resulted justification of life to all men. But that implies universalism. So people in their translations have lessened it. Now, universalism is false, but what they don't understand is that God is using the word all in the single verse in two different senses, just as he is using the phrase the many in two different senses a few verses before and after. I teach on this verse, and I teach the theology, and when I do it slowly, it takes about a half hour, as I go and I explain what's happening in the text, not only here, but in other places, and the theology that's behind it, and why Paul said what he said that way. And so I look at translations to see what are they doing with it.

Are they interpolating? Are they trying to lessen what it actually says? Are they sticking with the originality of the text? The NASB, in my opinion, and I'm no Greek scholar, but my opinion is the one that is most literal, and that's what I want, because I want the actual truth. I would not have known if I did not have the NASB back 30 years ago, whatever it was when I was studying, that I would not have known and discovered some very interesting and important theology if I'd have been reading a different Bible, because the NASB's, it was faithful to the Greek, and the other ones, in my opinion, are not as faithful, and I would not have seen it. I understand what you're saying. Sometimes in the King James, I'll read a verse over and over and then research it.

A lot of times, going to your website, if I don't understand the meaning, and I don't want to get an English translated Bible that just haphazardly throws stuff out to make a proper sentence when it loses the meaning. Yeah, and when I was looking at the CSB, it looks good, you know, except for that one little thing. It's like a pet peeve of mine.

Let's just say that, a pet peeve. So now what I'm going to do is go to, let's see, how about this? I'm going to go to Jude and see what it does with Jude 4. Come on. Come on. Jude. There we go. Jude. Hold on. Jude. Hey, slimeball.

My computers don't do exactly what I want when I want to call them names. I can't get Jude. Oh, it's all one. What am I doing? Of course it did. I'm the doofus.

I blew that one. Okay, so it's good. This is what it does. It's good. It says, for some people who were designated for this judgment long ago have come by stealth.

They are ungodly, turning the grace of our God into sensuality and denying Jesus Christ our only Master and Lord. That's good. Because the King James will say our only Master and our Lord Jesus. And that implies two, like the Father and the Son. Oh, right. Yeah, I follow you. Just stuff like that. The King James did a great job, but let's just say the King James has some things that need some improvement. Let's just say that.

Okay. Well, I know there's Bibles better in the King James, but the King James is what I read when I was a small child, and I think I somehow identify with the language that I feel more like I'm talking to God. In my imagination, if God spoke to me, it would be with the these and the thals, and that's just because I've read the King James. My wife, I'm not sure which version she has, but she has a really good English Bible, and if I run across a verse that's very hard to understand, I usually just pick hers up and read it to compare and see if it simplifies things for me. Well, that's good. You see, when something doesn't make sense in the King James, go study it in the N.E.S.B. When something doesn't make sense in the N.E.S.B., go study it in the King James, and then go look at the Greek. Yeah.

And just learn. Well, I really appreciate your show. I've listened to it for a couple years now, and I really appreciate you taking my call.

Sure. A lot of times I'll have questions that I'm going to call you, but I figure it out before you come on in the afternoon. Well, you know, if you call up anyway. I do appreciate you being there.

If you call up anyway, others might have the same question, though. You see? Well, I really enjoy your show, and thank you so much for what you do. Well, praise God, man. And praise God that he's lowered his standard so much to use someone like me. So that's good. Well, I guess we're all in that same boat, so.

I don't know. I'm way down there. I say to people regularly, if he's got to use someone named Slick who's got Asperger's, things are pretty bad out there. So that's what I say. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right, Brad.

Well, God bless, buddy. All right. You too. Bye. All right. Okay, let's get to Nancy from Virginia. Nancy, welcome. We have about a minute before the break.

What do you got? Hi. There are a lot of churches that have female ministers, female pastors. They're wrong for that, but yeah.

Can you explain what Paul talks about that in the Corinthians and saying that women should not be leaders in the churches? Yes. Yeah.

Can you go into detail about that? Yeah, I can. Now, the break's coming up, and so when the break comes back, we'll do that. But I'm going to preamble it, and I'll explain. I'll quote you scriptures. I'll quote you the references. And I'm going to explain why women are not supposed to be pastors.

They're not supposed to be elders. And if they are, they are in rebellion to the word of God, and I'll go through that after the break. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Nancy, are you still there?

Yes, yes. Okay, now I'm going to give you the biblical reason why women are not to be pastors and elders, and I want people who are interested in this topic, particularly if you are a woman pastor or woman elder or you're an individual who affirms and supports the idea of women pastors and elders, I will say this confidently, and I will publicly debate it with anybody. Let's figure it out.

I'll debate you. You are in error, and you need to repent. I'm going to do that because I will not allow it, and I will now prove it from scripture. Paul says in I Timothy 2, 12 and 13, But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man but remain quiet, for it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. Now, it says he does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority but to remain quiet. The word quiet there in Greek is hasoukia. Hasoukia means keep it down. It doesn't mean silence, like Sagao does. Sagao is a Greek word, absolute silence, can't talk, can't do anything. A sukiya carries the meaning of, you can be even more quiet.

Wait a minute, if you're quiet, how can you be more quiet? In the Greek, that's what that means. So the idea is that they are not to be in the church setting, in this authority section, to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. They aren't to do that, for it was Adam who was first created. It's not a cultural thing, because Paul the Apostle is tying it into the created order. For it was Adam who was first created.

That's what it's saying. Now, that's 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13. The next chapter in verse 15 says, But in case I'm delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God. So Paul is specifically giving instruction to the household of God, the Christian church. And he says he does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority, Adam was first created. I've had people say to me, that's just his opinion.

And then they arrogantly say their opinion is as good as Paul the Apostle. Or they'll say just one particular woman. Well, if it's one particular woman, just a woman. It means just as one particular woman. Where's that in the text?

It's not there. They're reading into it. And so if it's one particular woman, he's writing a whole thing about this one woman not to do this because Adam was first created.

It doesn't make any sense, and I can get into that quite a bit more, but I won't. Furthermore, I read about, you know, because Adam was first created, Paul doesn't allow this. That's 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13. In 1 Timothy 3, 15, which I already read, was dealing with the issue of him in the household of God. In the earlier part of chapter 3, he says this, verse 1, it is a trustworthy statement if any man aspires to the office of overseers. That's the Greek word episkopos, which we get bishop from.

It is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, okay, episkopos, bishop, must then be, must be above reproach the husband of one wife. So the episkopos, the bishop, is to be a husband of one wife, and in Greek it's andra, mias, gunikas, husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, et cetera. Now, when we go to Titus, chapter 1, verse 5, Paul says, for this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set an order and what remains and appoint elders. Now, that's the word presbuteros.

Now, literally it's presbuteroi and so, well, presbuteroos, but it's the masculine form, just as the word for overseer in Greek is masculine. Appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely if a man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. So in both cases, the bishop and the elder are to be a husband of one wife, a man of one woman.

A woman cannot fit that requirement, cannot. Furthermore, Paul says he does not allow this in the church. And when you go to 1 Timothy 5, 17, the elders who rule well. Now, the word elders there is presbuteroi. The ROI or the OI, the Omicron Iota ending in Greek is masculine plural. Now, we have like nurses, which is feminine plural or women, which is feminine plural, men, which is a masculine plural, a man is masculine singular. In Greek, this kind of thing happens all over the place with nouns. And so elders is specifically said to be presbuteroi, which is masculine plural nominative.

It's a subject that gets into stuff in Greek. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So the elders are the ones who do the preaching and the teaching. So a woman is not to be in that place of teaching authority over a man, 1 Timothy 2, 12, and 13. The elder is supposed to be a man of one woman or a husband of one wife.

A woman can't fit that. The elders are males who rule well. They're the ones who work hard at preaching and teaching. This is what the Bible says. Paul in 1 Timothy 3, 15 is giving instruction on how people are to behave in the household of God. So this is what Paul the apostle is saying.

So I'm going to say this again. If any of you out there are affirming women pastors and elders, you need to repent of your sinful attitude. If you attend a church with a woman pastor and elder, you need to leave that church because you can't trust them to get it right about other things if they can't get it right about what this so clearly says.

And third, if anybody wants to debate me publicly in your church over this, I would be glad to do it. And for 17 years, I've been making this offer periodically. Nobody has ever taken me up on it. Not once.

I know that the stations mostly are out on the east coast there. I would fly out to a person's church and debate anybody on the issue, politely and lovingly, from scripture. And are they going to take me up on it? No, they never do.

Why? Because they submit the word of God to their feelings, to their error, and to their cultural preferences. And they are not putting the word of God first. They need to repent. Now, there's a reason for all of this as well.

It's got to mention this. When Adam and Eve were in the garden, she sinned first. Then Adam ate the fruit, and then they hid themselves. And then the pre-incarnate Christ came into the garden, came with them. And verse nine, then the Lord God called the man and said, where are you? Now, wait a minute. Why didn't he say, Eve, what have you done?

You've got him to do this. Why did he say, Adam and Eve, why did you do that? Why didn't he say, he called to them?

No, called to the man and said, where are you? So the pre-incarnate Christ addressed the man. Why, because the man is a representation of descendants. The man has a federal headship position, not the woman. So in Adam, all die. In Christ, all should be made alive.

This is a doctrine of federal headship. So what the people who are doing, who affirm women pastors and elders, are also violating scripture, but they're also failing to understand federal headship. And because of this, I could connect the future dots to show how they would deny the atonement. I'm not saying they would, I'm not saying they are, but I actually know how they can, one error leads to another, because if they're gonna start saying, though the Adamic representation here is not what we're talking about, when Paul says he doesn't allow it because Adam was first created, it wasn't about that. It's about him being smarter than Eve. They get all this stuff. Well then, did Adam represent us?

And they'll say, no. Well then, how did Christ represent us? And so one error can lead theologically to other errors.

And this is why it's so significant. Plus, men are so good at failing. Now we try, we make mistakes, but if you give men excuses to do nothing and to not rise up as godly men are supposed to do and fight unrighteousness and stand for the truth, and if women stand up and do it, the men are supposed to be doing, men become diaparinians. Wah, wah, and they don't want to assert their masculinity in the church.

And don't listen to this idiocy about toxic masculinity. It says in 1 Corinthians 16, 13, act like men, be strong. The scriptures tell us to act like men, and we're to do this. Does not mean we demand our wife make sandwiches, though they make better sandwiches, my wife does. We don't go around using our authority and our position in a mean way, but we stand for truth and say, no, I'm not gonna put up with this because it's unbiblical.

That's what men are supposed to do. And I could talk about this a lot more because it's really a sore subject for me because I see, oh, and by the way, one more thing. I've written a lot on this, talked a lot about it. In my research, I did my own research.

I went to the varying websites and varying denominations. It took me weeks to do it, and I discovered that 80% of the denominations that approve of women pastors and elders, 80% within two generations start approving of homosexuality. Oh, gross. Why is that? Not terrible. Because Christ comes to the man first, not the woman.

Where are you? He addresses the man and requires of the man his dedication and his strength. And then it becomes this, when I talk about this, I also talk about the woman's role and what the women need to do. This is so much I wanna talk about in this.

Wish I could. The women's role needs to equip their men to go out and do. And when they make mistakes, the woman's role is to support, not to browbeat. Because if men are browbeat by their wives, they're not gonna wanna do anything. And then the women complain they're not doing anything. Women don't understand what it means to respect their husbands, mostly. Because few women I have ever experienced know what that really means. And so it takes both. Women have to know their place, and men have to know their place. And when that happens, men need to start getting up in the pulpit and start teaching with love and patience and kindness as they emulate Jesus Christ.

And it's not the place for women to do that. Okay? Okay. What was the scripture you mentioned, 1516? First Corinthians 16, 13. Okay?

Oh, okay. And it says, be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. Let all that you do be done in love. This is the instructions of the men. Stand firm in the faith, be on the alert. Act like men, be strong.

What you do, do in love. These are the instructions to men. But here's something women have to understand. We men are better than women at most everything. We can be better mechanics, better astronauts, better weightlifters, better extortionists, better thieves. We just, you know, I'm trying to make a point, is that we excel at what we do. It's what we do. And when men go out there to risk, sometimes the women, I've seen this, will browbeat their husbands and say, you shouldn't have done that.

Don't take a risk and don't take a chance. Because the women want safety, or the men want righteousness. And I'm not saying it's just that way between them, but there's emphasis in here. And they have to work together moving forward for the glory of Jesus Christ. Not one thing set against the other. I don't have time to go and expand it all to make it more, make it more sense, but this is the basics.

And I teach on this every now and then. It's a big deal. Okay. All right.

Okay, thank you. We're out of time. Thank you, God bless you. Okay, God bless you, that's one of my buttons.

All right, hey Chuck, sorry buddy, we're out of time. What happened to Joseph after Jesus was born? The Bible doesn't say.

But the legend is, he died shortly after Jesus was born. Hey folks, I hope you have a great weekend. May the Lord bless you. And by his grace, back on Air Monday, study the word, pray to Jesus, ask it to be used, and get ready. God bless everybody. Another program powered by the Truth Network.