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Thanks for listening this Truth Network Podcast. Latter-day Saints see the fakeness of the general Christian church, and they want no part of it when they come out. And then when they actually take some time to hear some real Christian doctrine, some solid biblical foundation, it's like, oh, I didn't know there was that much here.

And it takes them off guard, but it's hard to even get them to that point anyway in the first place, to even consider it. So it's very difficult. Well, you know, I'm only five hours away from Salt Lake City. I've got a good friend of mine, Bill McKeever, down there in Santee.

I'd be perfectly willing to drive down at a church and just do a Q&A for a couple of hours with people who want to ask questions about all of this. All right. You got to go, buddy. There's a break. Well, thank you for your call.

All right, Bryce, God bless. Hey, folks, three open lines. Why don't you give me a call?

877-207-2276. We will be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right. Welcome back, everyone. We are, let's see, about 20 after the hour. If you want to give me a call, three open lines. 877-207-2276. Let's get to Jeanette from Durham, North Carolina. Jeanette, welcome.

You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Hi. So what do you got?

Good evening. Yes. I wanted to ask a question in regards to, my first one is a very quick question. Then I have a really quick, if I could add a quick third one to it, okay? All right.

The first one is, me and my great, great sister in the Lord, woman of God, we were talking last night. We just wanted to know, could mental illness be a sign of a reprobate mind? Okay? Yes. Yes, it can. That's a great question. I'm going to write it down as an article. Write an article on that.

Yes, it can. Oh, great. Okay. Absolutely. And because God gives them over to the depravity of their heart and their mind, the reprobate mind means that God has judged them, given them over. And the context of it in, let's see, Romans 1, 26, I believe it is. And let's see, 28, just as they did not see God, who acknowledged God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, a reprobate mind, to do those things which were not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossip, slanders, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful. Yep, that's mental illness.

Absolutely. So then, I'm going to say take this opportunity because a reprobate mind exists in the far left and some people in the far right as well, in that they do what they think what is evil is good and what is good is evil. And they're full of unrighteousness. And this is a judgment upon them, and it's whacked to think that Christians are evil people, which is increasing more and more. So, yeah, maybe I'll write an article on that.

I look forward to going on CARM to read it, CARM.org. Okay, my quick second one, like I said, I have a quick third one that is really quick, but going back to King Saul, why did King Saul not kill the Amalekite king? I think it's in Hagiar. He let him live when he was, you know, the prophet told him to kill out everything. Because he disobeyed God. I think there's a reason I remember reading it.

I think I remember reading it. There was a reason he wanted to get something or something, and it came back a haunt people later. He just disobeyed God.

That's what it was. Okay, all right. Well, he disobeyed. And when I was listening to the caller prior to you, what's the difference between, you said apologetic. You're apologetic. What did you just say to him? I'm an apologist who practices apologetics. Right.

I'm a little nervous. Apologist. It's all right. I'm an apologist, and then there's apologetics. So someone who practices apologetics is an apologist.

I do it full time, so I'm an apologist. I defend the Christian faith, establish it, things like that. Okay, and hermeneutics is study or study? Hermeneutics. Hermeneutics. Okay, correct me. Okay.

That's all right. Hermeneutics is the science of properly understanding literature in its context and its meanings and things like that. It's applied to Scripture. It means to understand properly what the Bible teaches in certain areas and things, and there's varying principles.

So I have an article, How to Understand Scripture on Carm, and I take a commonly held verse or section of verses. You know, two men in a field, one is taken, one is left, and how everybody says it's the rapture, and it's not the rapture. A rapture occurs, but that's not it. And I use that text, and I show how look at the context, look at the parallel verses, and you see it's not the rapture. It's about the wicked being taken. And so I use it as an example, and a lot of people have written me and said after they've read through that article on how to interpret, they were convinced that those verses aren't about the rapture.

It happens a lot. So Hermeneutics is a process of understanding what something means by looking at its text, context, related text, words, culture, things like that. I'd love that, yeah, because I'm going to carm.org, and you said odyssey. Is that odyssey.com? Yes. Oh, okay. I'm going to that. Well, I'm done. I enjoy yours. I'm sorry.

I should say odysee.com. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Well, I'm done. Thank you. You're welcome. And God bless.

Keep calling, Jeanette, all right? I will. Thank you. All right. All right.

Hey, we have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. I just want to remind you, go to odyssey.com, O-D-Y-S-E-E.com, sign up, search for carm, and then just follow. You can follow carm videos. I have a radio show channel, but no one's really following that one. And I have a Matt Slick channel, which we're going to be using these things later on as Odyssey develops, and we move forward that way. I know that YouTube's better. I know it's bigger. But YouTube is also run by some semi-intolerant people, let's just say.

And we're moving stuff over to a place that will not exercise censorship on the freedom of expression and freedom of speech. So that's why we're going over there. All right, folks, four open lines, 877-207-2276. I want you to give me a call, so give me a call.

Let's talk to Alberto. Welcome. You're on the air again, buddy. Yes. Good evening, Matt Slick. Good evening. I have a question.

Okay. The Bible says that the Father has a spirit. He's omnipresent.

Jesus, the eternal Son, he's omnipresent. He has his spirit. And the Holy Spirit has his spirit. What do you mean has his spirit? He's omnipresent. He says he's omnipresent. Then God, in his essence, he's his spirit. So if all four are omnipresent, how can they coexist in the space of omnipresence?

Because they could collide with each other, wouldn't they? They're on their own spirits. You've got to be careful how you use these terms.

Because if you don't use them clearly, you're going to end up in confusion. And so to say each has a spirit is difficult because what does it mean to have a spirit? The Holy Spirit is simply called that, the Holy Spirit. And he's also referenced as the spirit of Christ. And then there's the spirit of the Father. And so these are all terms of intertrinitarian relationship. So we have to understand that the Trinity is one being in three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal persons.

A personhood means self-awareness, awareness of others, things like that. And so that's what God is. Now, how we perceive God is through his revelation found in Scripture. And what he does is he reveals himself in the Bible as three distinct, simultaneous persons.

Guess what it does? So what we do is we say God is three distinct, simultaneous persons. And the nature of God is that he is omnipresent. He's everywhere all the time.

Psalm 139 talks about this. And we'll get back to it after the break and talk a little bit more about it, okay? Because it's an interesting topic. Hey, folks, Four Open Lines. Give me a call. I want to talk to you. 877-207-2276.

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Let's get on the air with Alberto. Welcome. You still there? Hello? Hey. Okay. Yes?

Yep. All right, buddy. So that's the… Okay, yeah, I will come. Yeah, what's up with the nature of the Trinity? Go ahead. Okay. Now, you know what Jesus said?

He has to go to the Quakers and the Comforters, the Holy Spirit. But now, how come in Romans chapter 8 verse 9 says, if you don't have the Spirit of Christ, you're not of his. So… Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait. What you're doing is you're mixing to different verses that are different categories. Okay.

What do you mean by mixing? Okay, because Jesus said if you don't have the Spirit of Christ, you're not of his, but yet Christ is already in heaven, and the Holy Spirit is already on earth. So if the Holy Spirit… What's he doing inside you?

The Spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit? Which is… All three of the members of the Godhead indwell us. All right? Indwell us.

All three. Yeah. The Father indwells us, the Son indwells us, the Holy Spirit indwells us.

All right? That's the nature of the Trinity. Oh, so, but yet in essence it's one Spirit though, right Terence? Well, the Trinity is a mystery, a paradox. It's not illogical, but it is there. What we see in Scripture is one God in three distinct simultaneous persons.

A God himself, what he does is possess by his nature of his essence, his divinity. And I like what the commercial that I heard. You know, fire doesn't look for heat. It is hot by its nature. And that's just how it is. Fire is hot by nature. God is omnipresent by nature.

It's just what he is. And when we perceive God, we perceive him in three ways. One through creation, one through Scriptures, and the other through Christ.

So it's the Trinitarian revelation, the Trinity of revelation. Creation, Scripture, Jesus. Creation is sufficient to let us know that God exists.

Scripture is sufficient to tell us what God wants. And Jesus is sufficient to tell us what God is. And so we look at him that way and through that and the whole of Scripture, the revelation, we conclude that one God in three distinct simultaneous persons. How this works in the Godhead, I don't know, but this is what Scripture teaches. That's how it is and that's how we perceive it and teach about it. So there's one God, but all three are indwelling us. And then there's a doctrine of what's called the divine simplicity, that God is a single thing. So if you were to have a carbon sphere or a sphere made of steel, a sphere made of iron, it doesn't matter, just sitting on your table, a sphere made of glass, let's just do it this way.

A sphere about a foot in diameter of pure glass, just sitting on your table. It's one thing, just one, that's what God is. He's one thing like that. He's not three parts. You take a third of them out and that's Jesus, a third out, that's the Father, a third out.

No, no, no, you can't take parts out. It's just one thing, divine simplicity. And in that divine simplicity, the members of the Godhead inter-dwell each other. It's called the perichoresis, the indwelling of the personhood of each person in the other. Perichoresis, the mutual indwelling. When we see, when we understand this, we understand in the revelation of scripture, one God, one thing, one being, who manifests to us in three distinct simultaneous persons.

Okay? Okay, so I never heard, nobody ever explained this like this, like the way you explained it. I've been in church for years and no, I never heard a preacher, a pastor, or some new school teacher never explained this like this. Well, most people, most people, you know, they're not studying at this level.

And that's not me being better than them, it's not them not studying enough. Pastors have so much to do and they rise to the level of the need. They don't need to answer questions like this, I do. And that's why most pastors don't teach like this because they don't need to know it that deeply. They're counseling somebody, they're working on committees, they're, you know, doing various things, preparing sermons, and that's not knocking them at all. That's what they're called to do. So that's why most pastors just don't teach that stuff.

They haven't studied it at that level. Yeah, I understand you're saying, but sometimes some pastors so focused on their denominational beliefs, when you challenge them about a certain question, not just by Trinity, they just will threaten you, they think they're trying to bring some kind of heresy nature, so they totally annoy you or kind of shout you down. That happens too sometimes. Well, sometimes, but I wouldn't really say it's normative. I'd say most pastors do a really good job and most pastors are very competent in the word and are godly, want to honor the Lord, want to serve him by serving the congregation. They're loving, they're giving, they're sacrificial, and they're just wonderful. Most of them are, that's all. And because I'm an apologist, so when I preach, I insert some of my expertise in that area, and they're not prepped to do that.

That's not a complaint, it's not knocking them. It's just I do that because I can do that, and it's nice to do. I think more pastors ought to do that here and there, insert doctrinal statements in and explain something doctrinally. I think it's a good grounding for people.

And they know that's it. Thank you. I don't have much time. Of course, I know I've got a concert waiting, so I won't be being fair. Yeah, call back. Get in line if you want, all right? Okay. All right, thank you. All right, buddy. God bless.

That was Alberto from Georgia. We have four open lines if you want to give me a call. Four wide open lines waiting for you.

877-207-2276. Kent from Durham, North Carolina. Kent, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Mike, how you doing? Doing fine.

How are you doing? All right. I was talking about the Trinity here. I used to want God. God is not even a name. What's the name of God? God is not a name. That's a title.

The Bible said, be saved and baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. What's your question? What's the name of the Father?

What's your question? What's the name of the Father? There is no name of the Father. Okay, hold on. You asked me a question. So there is no name of the Father specifically that's given.

Okay. He does have a name? Show me where it says the Father's name is. Show me it in Scripture where it says the Father has a name. His name is whatever it is. What verse is that? His name is Yahuwah. No, I said show me the verse.

His name is Yahuwah. Show me the verse where it says the Father, the name of the Father is or the Father's name is, et cetera. Show that to me in Scripture. It's been edited. So you don't have it in Scripture? So it's not there? No, it's been taken out. It's been edited.

Okay, it's been taken out. To the Catholic Church. Oh, the Catholic Church.

Yes, sir. Do you realize that we have biblical manuscripts before the Catholic Church was ever there? And that the Old Testament Masoretic text, the Septuagint, et cetera, all of it says basically the very same thing? So the Catholic Church could not have taken out all of the references throughout history that continue to be rediscovered. So that makes no sense whatsoever, Kent. It's just not accurate.

Yes, sir. But the Bible said be saved and baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and God's not a name. That's a pagan name. It's Elohim. Elohim is not a name.

It's just the Hebrew word God. I know. That's a title.

Yes, sir. No, it's not a title. His, like, all deliverer would be a title, but the word God there. And so God tells us what his name is. When Moses says, Behold, I'm going to the sons of Israel. I will say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you. Now they may say, What is his name?

What shall I say to them? God said to Moses, I am who I am. And he said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I Am has sent me to you. So that's the name of God is I Am.

Jesus, do you accept that or do you reject that? Yep, that's one name. No, no, no, no.

It's the original name. No, no, no. Hey, hey, wait, wait. I said, Do you accept it or do you reject it? That's not the name.

Okay, so. He didn't say that, but that's not the name. He can't.

He can't. So when God answers the question, What's his name? And he says, I Am, that's what God says his name is. I Am. That's not right, but his actual name is Yahuwah.

That's his name. Okay. Yeshua. Okay, I just have to say this, Kent.

You do not have all your theological pause in the litter box. Okay. Yes, sir. I still have trouble. Yeah.

And I'm traveling mainly for education. So are you on the Sacred Name Movement? What church is it that you go to?

What group? Well, actually, I was Christianity, so I'm out of the Christianity. Christianity are lying to the people. Okay, I asked you what church you go to.

Can you tell me, please? I was Christianity, but I'm no longer Christianity no longer. I asked you what church you go to. Okay. We're going to move along, Kent. We're going to move along. All right. Hey, folks.

We have four open lines. If you'd like to call 877-207-2276, give me a call. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the last segment. Everybody, I just want to remind you, check out odyssey.com, O-D-Y-S-E-E.com, and sign up there and then look for CARM, and you can sign up to follow us. We're moving over to Odyssey, and I'll be mentioning it periodically. And we do have Father's coming in, and there are even more today since the beginning of the show.

Praise God. All right, let's get to Susan from Indiana. Susan, welcome. You're on the air. I can barely hear you, but you said Susan from Indiana, yes?

Yes, you're on the air, yes. Thank you. I called to ask about the Rh-negative blood and the controversy that is attached to that. And do you have any knowledge about the controversy with that blood group? Well, never having heard of it or studied it before during the break, because I saw that and wanted to talk about that. I did a little bit of reading on it, and that's about it. And it's interesting that I have to study some more, but I don't know.

What's up with it? Well, gosh, it's been overwhelming for me because I didn't know that I didn't know, and I really found out more about it and everything at 60 years of age. But it makes your life dangerous. In my life, I've encountered some things that have been very uncomfortable.

When I was young, a doctor demanded I do a hysterectomy, and so I just was young and dumb. And the end result of what we found out is she sold those eggs, and it was because of this rare blood. And no one told me that I have a very rare blood type with not only is the Rh group special, but I have a special enzyme besides that. So I'm unique within the group.

The group itself is unique, and then I'm unique within it. But my doctor had said I needed to be careful. On April 1, 2019, he said with COVID that my life would be in danger because of my blood, that other countries tracked me. Interesting. He said, you're in database.

I'm not a conspiracy person, and he doesn't either. He was very concerned. He said, you have to be concerned on your safety now. And I've had some terrible things happen. And then a friend, she got into this QAnon, so we're not as close. But she texted me the other day saying, I just read where your blood is from.

You're in the bloodline of Jesus. Maybe that's why you have the people. Literally people have tried to kill me. Literally people have tried to kill me recently, and I don't get any help from law enforcement. And so she had texted me that.

And the man out in California, the Navy Seal, he killed both of his children, a 10-month-old baby. Well, I'll tell you what. Do you have a question about this? The question was about the church.

Well, that's why I was trying. I'm a first-time listener, but you seem well-versed. And I thought, oh, my gosh, maybe he can tell me what is the church's stand when they have individuals that are in their churches who have this now that make them a bit of a target for uncomfortable.

And I want to say this. Whatever it is, I'm no better. I firmly believe that conception comes from God.

Gestation, live birth. And whatever my blood is, it's no better than anyone else's. Okay. As far as I'm concerned. Okay, so you do go to church, right?

Well, since COVID, someone attacked my car. I am a practicing Catholic, but I'm also a charismatic Catholic. Okay, hold on. You've got a lot going on there. You'll find out, incidentally, if you continue to listen to me, you'll find out I've got a lot to say about Catholicism, and it's not good. But you need to go to a good church, and I would not recommend the Catholic Church. You need to find a good Protestant church and get in touch with the elders about various issues in the church. But you also need to be in contact with your doctor about all these things.

And just what you can do, you do with the doctor. I'm not qualified. I'm just a theologian. Okay?

No, I understand that. But the QAnon people are telling people, or putting out to their public, dog, putting out to the public that we're aliens. We're not human. Okay, we're going to move along. And so that's why that man went... We're going to move along because... Huh? Yeah, that's just way off base, and so we're not aliens. So we're going to move along.

I know that. We appreciate that, but we're just going to continue on here. Let's get to John from Winston-Salem, North Carolina. John, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how you doing, man? Thank you for taking my call. It's me again. I have to go with the first one.

Yeah, I hear you fine. Okay. What was Jesus' religion before he was baptized by John the Baptist? He was Jewish. He was Jewish. He was Jewish. Yeah. Oh, that means he, you know, when he was baptized, he brought Christianity, right? Well, no. Christianity is the result of his death, burial, and resurrection.

So I would say that the Christian church more or less, depending on a few things, more or less began at Pentecost in Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit came down upon people. But there's a debate about that, how we define things. Okay. I don't know if that really answers the question, but okay. Okay. But here is the second question. Okay.

Okay. In 1 John 4, 6, chapter 5, 7, verse 7 and 8, it says, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. And eight. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood.

And these three agree in one. Now, my question there is, why does the pastors for years, I've heard in church for years, they refer to these as the Trinity, calling them the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, because it does not say it in the Bible. Why don't they say it the way it is in the Bible? Now, you've got pastors saying, follow along in the book. Wait, wait, wait.

Hold on, hold on. Do you mean in this verse, it doesn't say Father, Son, Holy Spirit? Right? Right.

Yeah. There are manuscript differences with this particular verse. It's called the Como Jehanium that you're talking about. And it's a little bit controversial. Different manuscripts have it, some don't.

That's all that's going on. And so some will speak of it and some won't. And like some late manuscripts will say... People understand.

How's that happening? People understand when they say, now follow along in your book, that way you know that, you know, we're preaching the truth. And for years, all I've heard was the Trinity, like I heard you talking before... The Trinity is true. Right. Right.

I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not, you know, redeveloping anything. I just want to know why they don't preach the way that it is in the Bible. Most people do.

When they say, follow along. Most people do. Most pastors I've ever encountered do teach what's in the Bible. They go verse by verse.

And they believe the Bible most, absolutely. So you're saying, when I ask people, I've asked a lot of people and they can't explain this. So that's why I'm bringing it to your attention. Because I've listened to you and I've listened to you. And you seem to be explaining things.

This is really confusing me. Why, you know, they don't, okay. I'm not really sure what you're asking exactly, but I have an idea. What do you think about writing an email to us at info at karm.org? We have people who answer emails and they're pretty good.

And if they get stuck, I help out. But you could ask this question and try asking it different ways. And then, you know, we can maybe respond to them, maybe even write an article about it. Because I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.

And I think that if you were to write it down, it probably would help. What I'm asking is, and I still want to write you short. But what I'm asking is, for years we've been referring to the Holy Trinity as the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. But it doesn't say this. And the Bible is what I'm asking.

And I'm asking you. It doesn't say what? It doesn't say the Trinity. I quote, the Trinity is Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. It doesn't use the word Trinity. Right. What do you mean? Right.

Okay. The reason, but it doesn't need to use the word Trinity. It doesn't use the word atheist, but it says the fool in his heart has said there is no God, Psalm 14. So it knows the concept. The doctrine of the Trinity has arrived at it systematically.

You don't need a single verse or a single word in order for it to be true. Okay? Okay. Okay. Okay.

I see where you're going with it. The word monotheism means there's only one God in all existence, all place, all time. But the word monotheism does not occur in the Bible with the concepts taught in Isaiah 43, 44, and 45. So we just use those words to summarize the concepts taught in Scripture. And that's all.

Okay. So it's just putting a thought in your head about Jesus, in other words, from the Bible. And not really saying it, but it's just making a subliminal message in other words?

It's not a subliminal message. It's the theologians of the centuries who've examined God's word and have written down and deducted, or deduced I should say, what the Scriptures actually say. Okay? That's it. So you can go to my website, karm.org, and you can read up on the Trinity, for example.

There's a lot of articles there on the Trinity. You can check it out. It's karm. C-A-R-M. Yep. Perfect. Dot O-R-G, karm.org. And we've had 148 million visitors.

148 million. Okay? Okay. Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it. Hey, you're welcome, man. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Ella from Utah. Ella, welcome. You're on the air.

Oh, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I just have a question. How can someone in a simple way know if they've been saved?

Well, one of the simple ways is to die and go to heaven. But it's probably not what you're asking. Oh.

Okay? So I think it wants a little bit more convenient in this life. 1 John 5, 13 says these things are written so you may know you have eternal life. And there's two main things to look at. One is orthodoxy and one is orthopraxy. Orthodoxy is the confirmation and the acceptance and the belief and affirmation of the true things of Scripture.

And the other one is there's a changed life, orthopraxy, what we do. And so if we say we know him and don't keep his commandments, the truth is not in us and we're liars. That's 1 John 2, 4. So as Christians, we're not perfect, but we try and love God. We try and love our neighbor. We go to church, read the Word. We pray.

We try and be honest. But those aren't the things that save us. They don't keep us saved, but they just are reflections of what is inside of us. And so we're saved at what we know by the truth of God's Word and in what it actually says.

Not God, but another planet and things like that. We're out of time. I just want to talk it so fast. You can come back tomorrow.

We can talk about it some more. Oh, perfect. Well, I appreciate it.

It's very simple. Thank you so much. God bless. You're welcome so much. God bless. Okay. All right. Yes, I would love to go to Utah again and just answer questions at a church. If you guys want me to do that, all you got to do is contact me at info.com.org. Hey, by the way, we're out of time.

There's the music. Got to go. May the Lord bless you and by His grace, we'll be back on there tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. God bless everybody. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.