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And now I send it to a different YouTube, one Matt Slick, YouTube Matt Slick, and about five or six other Facebook pages. So we're going to see if it brings people in. We'll just see what happens. All right, there you go. And if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's just jump right in and get to Ed from North Carolina. Hey, Ed, welcome here on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you doing today? Doing all right, by God's grace. Hanging in there, man.

What do you got, buddy? Hey, question for you. I'm struggling a little bit with the election, the predisposition that we are elected, that we can't go to God unless He draws. And my question is, if God is not a respecter of persons, and He loves us all equally, and I should not be able to get up before God at the judgment seat and say, You never drew me.

Because if He draws people, and that's the only way you can be saved, wouldn't that mean that you would have to be drawn? And that would mean He's a respecter? Okay. Because I'm to be treated equally, right? I don't want to be treated equally. Well, you know what I mean. I mean, in other words, when we all have to be, God is not going to treat me any different than He treats you. He loves us all equally. Well, you've made two statements.

Let's check them. Now, you've got to understand that when I do apologetics and I teach and I study, I ask questions. I don't assume. I learned this a long time ago.

Just don't assume something is automatically true. Now, we'll get to the loves everyone equally thing. He's not a respecter of persons. Now, what does that mean biblically? Biblically, it means that God does not look at an individual to see inequality of worth in that person and then favors that person based on that. This is out of James 2, 2 through 4.

So this is what is spoken about. So when we say respecter of persons, where He elects one person and does not elect another, people say, Let's have respecter of persons. Not according to what the Scripture says that God means by the phrase. He has the right to choose whom He wants and do with His creation as He desires. He has that right. And so when He says He's not a respecter of persons, He means He doesn't look at a person to see some good quality in that person or potential good quality of that person and then decides to use that person or accept that person based on what he foresees because that would mean there was some good thing in a person and God then became a respecter of persons. That's what that means, okay?

Okay. And that's how it all breaks out from the translation? That's just what it is in Scripture.

James 2, 2 through 4. Someone comes into your assembly. He's got fine clothing. Hey, sit at the head of the table. Are you not being a respecter of persons? Showing favoritism to someone who has something.

This is the idea of what he's talking about. So God doesn't do that. There's no good in us. No one does good.

No one seeks for God. Romans 3, 10, 11, and 12. All of our righteous deeds are filthy rags. Isaiah 64, 6.

This is the best we are. So God does not look into any foreseen quality of a person. He doesn't look into the future to see who's going to pick him and then he works with that person because that would mean God is learning and it would also mean God sees a good thing in someone and likes that person because of the good thing and that's a respecter of persons which is what the scripture denounces.

Okay? Now, the second part, you say God loves everyone equally. Now the question is, is that true? Is there a statement in scripture that says God loves everyone equally? And there isn't a scripture like that that says he loves everyone equally.

The closest you can come to something like that is Matthew 5, 43 through 48. Therefore, you've heard it said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you so that you may be sons of your father who's in heaven for he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? The tax gatherers do the same. If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same.

You'll be perfect because your father in heaven is perfect. Are you doing stuff in the background, making noises? Sorry. No, sir, I'm sorry. Okay. Yes, sir.

All right. So what he's talking about here is that there are not to be any... What God does is he loves everyone equally in the sense that he provides for them sun and rain and things like that. So that's the case. Now, when we go to...

In that sense, he does, okay? But when we go to Romans 9, we have something very interesting occur. For this is the word of promise, at this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son. Not only this, but there was Rebecca also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac. For though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad so that God's purpose... Now, notice what it says. Not done anything good or bad so that God's purpose, according to his choice, would stand not because of works. So this is completely on God, not because of anything in us. Not because of works, but because of him who calls, it was said to her, The older will serve the younger just as it is written, Jacob I love that he saw I hated. So when someone says God loves everyone equally, I have to wonder, is that a true statement? Because we have here, and I can show you other verses, but we have right here where God says that he loves one and hates another, not based on anything other than God's desire. Now this is hard for people to accept, because they think Jesus is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer dude dressed like a woman's nightgown, standing at the door of your heart, he's got perfect complexion, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know, he's really nice, and he's asking permission for you and your wisdom to let him into his heart, into your heart. And this is, you know, it's idolatrous and it's not biblical. And I believe that a lot, my opinion is, it's a tangent, that a lot of people don't want to hear this kind of stuff that I'm teaching, because they prefer the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus.

They want to be comfortable. So the question here is, does God hate some? Yes, he does. And you go to Psalm 5-5, Psalm 11-5, he hates all who do iniquity.

And he abhors them. So we have right there a statement that God does not love everyone equally, flat out. So you see, when we make conclusions in biblical examination, we have to make sure that the premises that we're proposing are correct to begin with. But so many people, this is what I discovered over the years, assume things and they just, they don't check.

And I'll give you one more and then we'll continue. Like the word agape, people say it means divine love. Well, if it does, then why does Jesus say to the Pharisees that you love your high seats in Luke 11-43? Because they're arrogant. And he uses that word agape.

So people don't check really what's being said too much. And so they have these faulty ideas, and then they go to the teachers that continue those faulty ideas. Okay, having said all that, now, you want to, it's a lot of plot there, you want to continue on with your question, okay? Sure. Well, I think my struggle, I think you've cleared up most of it, is that, you know, I'm a dirty, nasty old sinner, saved by the grace of God and Jesus Christ on the cross. And I have a hard time saying, really, am I really an elect, an elected person, all that I've done, all that I've, you know, it's hard to battle that. I think Satan comes in and tries to make you battle that in your mind, like, really, you are elected?

Come on, man, you're not elected. And, you know, and it's hard, he loves everyone equally. You know, and like you said, you know, you've got to be careful on the words you use, because there's a translation and then there's reality. Right. And, you know, I think...

I was going to say, I am totally smiling when you're talking, totally. It's just peace, because I asked the exact same stuff. Why? How? It's just his good pleasure.

That's it. I appreciate it, man, I don't want to take up your time. No, it's okay. I know you've got a lot of people to follow you. No, this is important stuff, because a lot of people, you know, who don't believe in election will say, you're arrogant for thinking God chose you specially.

That's not how it works, because you just said it. Why would he pick you? Why would he pick me? I mean, we know our hearts. We know our past. There's nothing good in us, nothing but God's grace and his mercy. And he granted us belief, Philippians 1 29, granted us repentance, 2 Timothy 2 25, granted that we come to Christ. John 6 65. And all we can do is say, thank you, Lord. Would you please save others? Do you think that's what keeps us humble?

Yeah. You know, what's interesting is people will accuse you and me, others like us, who submit to the teaching of election. We don't see why we're elected and chosen for salvation.

Second Thessalonians 2 13 says people are chosen for salvation. And they'll say, oh, you're arrogant. You think God picked you because of some good quality. You're prideful because you're one of the special. I've had people say to me, oh, you think you're so special because you're elected.

It's the opposite. No, I'm not. I don't see why God would choose me. There is nothing good in me.

That's it. I'm just grateful for his mercy. And you'll probably like this. Look at all the people that we are similar to. Yet so different. Yeah. But for the grace of God go I too. There's a statement I heard a preacher once say, and I really like the statement. And it fits perfectly in here.

I'm glad that God predestined me from the foundation of the world, because if he'd look at me now, he wouldn't have picked me. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

It's meant to bring a smile, but it's true. Yeah. All right? I just want my heart to be his palace. Oh, man, I'd love to hear stuff like that.

You have no idea what that does to me. Seriously, when I hear people talk like that, my heart just melts instantly to be in the hands of our Lord, to be the servants of our Lord, to be fellowship with our Lord because of his great grace and mercy. I just want to be an instrument in his hand. And you talk like that, it just warms me.

I would love it if you were my neighbor and we just talked. Seriously. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. Have a blessed day, and I'll keep you in my prayers. Oh, thanks, Ed. And hopefully you'll keep me in yours.

We've got a lot of people who want us to pray, and we do have a prayer ministry, which I'll talk about. Thanks, caller. Oh, after the break. But, hey, God bless, Ed, okay? Thanks a lot for calling. Thank you.

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Let's get to Kim from rural hall, North Carolina. Welcome back, buddy. Thank you, Matt. My question has to do with the prayer salvation. There's a scripture that says that we can only save those the Holy Spirit sends. And there's another scripture that says God will add to the curse of David, which should be saved.

Okay. So my question is, when you tell somebody, all you have to do is say this prayer, and you're saved, and they leave the Holy Spirit out, and Jesus doesn't know who the Holy Spirit is going to send him, then that would be a lie, wouldn't it? If they leave the Holy Spirit out?

Exactly. No, it's not a lie. No one has ever said if you say this prayer and then wait on the Holy Spirit, you'll be saved. No, they say once you say this prayer, you're automatically saved.

All you've got to do is believe in your heart. Well, here's the thing, is we don't have to mention the Holy Spirit, but we can. But what we do need to mention is who is the person of Jesus. And when I preach the Gospel, I believe in teaching the law, the Gospel, and the cost. And the law is, you know, have you ever lied?

Yes. Well, then you're a liar. You're a sinner before God, and there's a judgment. And the Gospel is how to escape that judgment from God. That's only through Jesus.

You explained that. But you better know what you're getting into. It's the cost of your discipleship. Don't enter into this lightly. Take it seriously, because God will take you seriously.

And these are the things that I talk about. Now, I don't have to mention the Holy Spirit in that process, because the Holy Spirit's job is to bear witness of Christ. And so what we do is bear witness of Christ, and we move that way. The Holy Spirit is humble in the sense that he doesn't point to himself. He points to Christ. Okay? But now, if you tell someone, just say this prayer, and you automatically say it.

I mean, that can't be right. Like I said, Jesus doesn't, you know, with all the things you don't understand. So how can you tell this person, hey, say that you're saved? Well, we don't want to say that a prayer saves you.

And they say this formula. That's a problem. But God can certainly use one person leading another person in prayer to receive Christ and trust in Christ.

There's nothing wrong with that. God could certainly use it. And if such a person comes to Christ, it's because the Holy Spirit is working and convicting them, and they're aware of their need of a Savior, and then they receive Christ. You know, we don't want to say, because you prayed this prayer, now you're saved.

I would never say that. You know, I would say, if you have prayed to receive Christ, and you really mean it, he's there and you're his. And, you know, you just go on from there. Okay? Another question. At that moment, are you filled with the Holy Spirit?

Well, yeah. If you are saved, yeah, of course you are. You have the Holy Spirit indwelling you. Now, some people say filled with the Holy Spirit means the manifestation of speaking in tongues.

So in that sense, not necessarily, but in the sense that the Holy Spirit is indwelling you, of course, yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Matt. God bless you. All right, Matt. God bless. All right.

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Let's get to Rudolph from North Carolina. All right, welcome. You're on the air. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Hello? Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I've been listening to Arson's Pro this morning, and he said that he's a Presbyterian, and I was just wondering what's the difference between a Presbyterian and a Baptist?

Okay. Well, I'm Presbyterian myself, and what that means, there's several issues. What it means generally is Presbyterian comes from the Greek presvuteras, which means elder, elder-run, elder-ruled, and that's the biblical form of government because that's what Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 15, 17, when he says the elders who rule well, 1 Timothy 5, 17, I should say, and the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching.

And then in 1 Timothy 3, in Titus 1, it talks about the elders who are the ones who are supposed to be in charge, and of course here they preach both to know doctrine and things like that. So that's why people are called Presbyterian in that. But it doesn't mean that Baptists can't be Presbyterian in the sense of church government. So what's happened over the centuries is Presbyterian has become a word, synonymous with Presbyterianism, and Baptists is a little bit different. So in that sense, the difference would be, generally speaking, all Presbyterians will affirm the five points of Calvinism or the five points of Reformed theology, Tulip, total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints, but not all Baptists will. But both are within Christianity. And so a lot of Baptists won't affirm those things, but some do. There are Reformed Baptists who do acknowledge those, but are not Presbyterian in that sense that Presbyterians often are, which includes at this point, infant baptism. So Presbyterianism generally affirms infant baptism, but not for salvation, but as a covenant sign with the inclusion of infants in the covenant faithfulness of God, just the way circumcision was. And they relate circumcision and baptism for infants, which is what I do. So I believe in infant baptism, but not for salvation.

I believe it's a covenant sign, and I can defend that. But I don't die in that hill, and people don't agree. Okay, don't agree, I don't care. But that's just my position. And Baptists would not affirm that position at all. They would say, nope, the only ones who are to be baptized are those who have confessed to Christ, not infants because they can't do that because you don't find infant baptism in the Bible, in the New Testament, which is correct.

You don't find it. Not explicitly taught. The question is, is it implicitly taught? And then discussions and debates ensue at that level. So Presbyterians and Baptists can both be elder-led, but Presbyterianism generally, almost universally, holds to the five points of Reformed theology, where Baptists, some do, but some don't.

And Presbyterians will baptize infants, not for salvation, but as a covenant sign, and where Baptists will not. Okay? Okay. That help? Yes, sir. Just one other thing about your, you talk about this Trinity, how come you never, because it's in there in person, it clearly says that there are three that bear record in heaven. So if somebody says, you know, where you get that from, I mean, it's written right there, you know? Yes. You never use that?

Right, I don't use that verse because it's called the common Johanneum, and it is not found in many of the very ancient manuscripts. So hold on, I've got a break, okay? We'll get back to that. Hey folks, please give me a call if you want. 877-207-2276. We have four open lines, give me a call. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. We have four open lines. I want you to give me a call. We can talk about whatever you want to talk about. All right, let's get back on the lines with Rudolph from North Carolina. Rudolph, you still there?

Hello? Yes, sir. Yeah, we were talking about the, you were not using that 3,500 silver up the Trinity. Right.

Yeah, I don't use it because... You said you don't use it why? Because it's not found in some of the most ancient manuscripts. And if I'm going to defend the doctrine of the Trinity in apologetics with... What?

Yeah, that's correct. With people who don't affirm the Trinity, I won't go there because they will quickly point out that it's not found in some of the most ancient manuscripts. I don't want to argue that, so I just avoid it.

And there's other ways to demonstrate the Trinity. So you're saying, is it okay to read that? Because I was reading it Bible one day and I was questioning that when I was younger and I ran across that verse and I was glad to see it because I had never seen any will. And are you saying that I can't trust it? I'm saying that I don't. And I don't use it in apologetics for that reason.

If you want to use it, go ahead. A lot of preachers do. A lot. Yeah. So there are three main areas in Scripture in the New Testament, three main ones that have textual issues. That's one of them. The other is the woman caught in adultery in John 8, and it appears in different places in some manuscripts. And then the ending of Mark, 9 through... Or 11 through 20.

No, 9 through 20. The last 11 verses. And so these are the fact that these are issues in the textual copying from 2,000 years. And that's all there is. And they're easily dealable with.

That's a bad way to say it, but they can be dealt with pretty easily. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

You can keep using it if you want, all right? Okay. Okay. What's that? Whoops.

Oh, boy. Sorry. I just got to yawn.

And we've been talking about yawning in the chat room, so it's causing me to yawn. Sorry about that. Okay.

Does that answer it, Rudolph? Sorry. Yep. All right.

Yes, sir. Just one other thing, I know you're here, but I know you don't particularly like the vaccine. Have you heard about the Moderna pill you can take if you get COVID? Um, my personal opinion about the vaccines is I don't trust them. There's two things about it. One is I don't trust it.

There are too many accounts of people having serious medical problems afterwards. Right. And another one is it uses fetal material in its development and or testing for all the vaccines for COVID.

Right. No, they have a new pill out by Moderna. Yes, the pill. I haven't researched it yet. I haven't researched that pill. Oh, okay. Yeah, but my research has led me to understand that I have to be very careful what I say. I don't want people to trust me. I'm a theologian, not a doctor. And I do my research very carefully and very slowly.

And I release information slowly on the issue of COVID, you know, karne.org forward slash COVID. But what I've seen of it, personally, I don't trust it. Now, my brother, he's taken it, he's fine, you know, I talked to him yesterday about it or day before and I go, okay, that's fine.

If you want to take it, you take it. But we have the right to be able to say, no, I don't want to take it and not to be penalized for it and socially ostracized for it, particularly when there are plenty of accounts of people dying, losing use of hands, like Eric Clapton did for a while, of shakes, abortions or spontaneous, you know, abortions happening, miscarriages, I should say. People having strokes, the recurrence of cancers that have been dormant.

I've heard a doctor on Saturday, I was at a conference here in the Idaho area and he said that, this is what he said, he said that he has seen in patients that he's had for years, they've been in remission of cancer and within a week or two or three or four, whatever it is, after they take the COVID vaccine, all of a sudden, they've got problems again with cancer. And I hear stuff like this and why is it that the government is not allowing us to have information like this? Why is it that we're being censored, people are being censored? It just causes a whole bunch of distrust.

There are a lot of people who don't trust it and people are quitting their jobs over it and I think that's fair. And for religious exemption, which I have an opportunity, I have an article on it, you can print it up, for religious exemption, for the issue of using aborted fetal material. Why would anybody want to use human aborted fetal material to develop something and then inject into your system? It means, it's like the Nazis in Germany when they developed healings and medicines and various things by torturing the prisoners and using them against their will, causing harm to them.

And you kill a baby in the womb, it's against the will of the baby and it's causing harm and then the people benefit from it. I can't in good conscience participate in that. You're right, I agree with you, but I made the mistake and took the bad things off. I pray for forgiveness for that. No, no, it's okay. That's what you think you're going to do. I don't think it's right or wrong.

I think it's a personal decision and I think it should be left at that. Plus the thing is that the natural immunity is 13 times better than the vaccine in preventing the infection. So, here's a question. Why is it that we can't get, I have an antibodies vaccine card, except it's not a vaccine card, it's an immunization card. I'm immune, I've got it, I've had it. 13 times better than a vaccine. But no, the government says, nope, can't do that. Everyone's got to be vaccinated.

What? It does not make any sense and when I see stuff like that, that contradicts common sense and logic, I no longer trust the ones who are saying that we need to follow their lead, particularly when the same government says we need to get vaccinated and yet opens the borders illegally to let people come in by the thousands and thousands into our country who are infected and they don't require masks for them, they don't require vaccinations for them and they let them in and yet they want us to get vaccinated. Now, I'm sorry, but the hypocrisy and the inconsistency from the government on this tells me I can't trust them. And why? Why are they pushing it?

This, I'm not the only one who thinks this. I'm just echoing, I know people right now are in their cars going, yeah, that's right, preach it brother. I know it's happening. Okay? And so, I don't trust them. I don't trust them.

I don't. If they'd have said, look, everyone, it's up to you. We're not going to force it and they really meant it. I'd be like, okay, now I need to seriously look at this because I can trust what the government's saying that it is my choice. Nope, the government's going to come in and it's a socialistic utopian communist motif. It's going to tell you what you have to do in all areas of your life. This is what medicine you have to take in order to buy and sell and eat. This is the kind of thing that's coming. I guess I have to do it then.

That's so grabbing to me. Okay. All right.

Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, God bless buddy. Okay. All right. I think we just figured something in about some noises happening. I'll have to move my desk apart a little bit. Let's see.

Oh, for open lines. Give me a call. 877-207-2276 Gabriel from Des Moines, Iowa. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how are you doing brother? Oh, I'm doing okay.

Hanging in there. Yeah. Hey, just to echo off of that end of that last conversation with the last dollar, thank goodness Christ overall, right?

Like, I wish more people had the viewpoint of you have your choice to either get vaccinated or not. Thank goodness to Christ, sovereign overall things, right? Yes. And that's a whole other topic about what I think is happening and why it's happening. I've got some theological perspectives I'm thinking through about. Yeah.

I, I could see leaning towards why it would be hard, but I just, I'm, I'm slow to say that just because we're not the Lord and we don't know. Right. That's right.

Yeah. But my question, my question is, uh, I, uh, heard what you were talking about with baptism and those things. Um, I am one of those reform Baptists. I would hold to the five point Calvinism, but they, the baptism is for beavers. I have a few Presbyterian friends, but they've never like laid out the defense for me. Uh, and I'm just, I know that you're a hardcore, solid Presbyterian. I have solid baptism.

Just lay out, lay out the case form. Convince me if you will. Okay. All right.

I'll give it a shot. Okay. You ready? And we're going to hit a break here pretty soon.

Uh, it's coming up pretty quickly. So let me just start off with covenant. Okay. And we'll probably review it after the break, but covenant is a pact or an agreement between two or more parties and the word covenant in Latin is Testamentum old covenant, new covenant, old Testament, new Testament covenants all have signs. Would you agree?

They all have signs. All right. I would have good. Okay. You're leaning my way so far.

It's good. We'll see what continues to happen. All right, buddy. So hold on. All right. Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. I hope you stay tuned.

Be right back. Here's Matt slick everybody welcome back to the last segment of the show if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero Seven two two seven six let's get back to Gabriel from Des Moines, Iowa you still there Yes, sir all right So covenant, so let me ask you a question were infants included in the Covenant in Israel That's a probing question sure I Yes, because yes. Yes were because they were part of the red. Yeah, they were guests never included and Circumcision was the Covenant sign which was instituted in Genesis 17 and It was a covenant sign of the females for obvious reasons weren't Circumcised, but it's because the females are counted in the male And the fathers they were circumcised so that it was a red canvas federal headship alright So yep the Abrahamic covenant deals with God promising to Abraham land and descendants right with me right and He said in Genesis 12 3 in you God said in you all the nations shall be blessed that is Manifested in the Covenant that God promised to Abraham with descendants and that means in the sinus Circumcision um yeah, and the sign of that was circumcision, okay, so the Covenant included infants And it was said in you all the nation shall be blessed now That's Genesis 12 3 Paul quotes Genesis 12 3 in Galatians 3 8 and he calls that the gospel in you all the nation shall be blessed So here's a question is that same Abraham a covenant still in effect? Mm-hmm yeah, I can I could see the argument, but I there's a little more But it is still in effect, right? So yes, yes, yes, because the gospel is happened in Christ's name Paul right so Paul calls the Abrahamic covenant He says in you all the nation shall be blessed That's the gospel and the promise of that is manifested in the land and in the progeny the descendants through whom the Messiah came and Circumcision was a sign of that covenant Right right and in the circumcision is a shedding of blood Of the male and so it represents ultimately the shed blood of Christ. It's a type Now what's interesting is in Colossians 2? It says in verse 11 and 12 in him you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands In the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ having been buried with him in baptism So Paul doesn't equate circumcision and baptism, but he relates them He just yeah because of the Abrahamic covenant the connection there with the into all nations Right and so there's a relationship so the questions. Yeah, I'm come up the questions and come on Yeah, well then do we baptize infants if it's related to circumcision and the Abrahamic covenant is still in effect Well some would say yeah I think it makes sense to continue in the covenant sign which has been changed from the shedding of blood To the identification of that replacement a sign of sort of baptism And that's the Presbyterian basic argument And that's what I hope why hold to it. Yeah So you so you see my there's more I see I see where Okay, there's my right was Jesus circumstance was Jesus immersed or was he sprinkled when his baptism He Was sprinkled Because he was fulfilling Old Testament law. I have an article on this it goes through it and you can lead up on Carm I was I'm just not familiar on that baptism text.

That's all right. That's okay, but you can read the article Why was Jesus baptized and it goes through the Old Testament law? Requirements and he was entering into the priesthood and one of the admonitions in that was that he had to be sprinkled with water That this is what it is. Okay, and also when we get into the logic of 3,000 baptized in acts 2 Within you know right away to do that by immersion is very problematic particularly in an upper room It's it doesn't work and they had to move to another area. They cannot go to a fountain in the city That's where people drink out of like be putting people's dirty bodies in that they had to all go out to a river Which is quite a journey away, and then yeah, if you know three thousand if all twelve disciples were baptizing for eight hours That's one baptism every two minutes and 20 seconds for eight hours in cold water by immersion, which has its own problems, so Here's a here's a little something to run by you. Here's a something run by you, so we have two Jews and This is the time of say Jesus has already died. They've heard about Jesus Paul is now preaching and teaching and One of the the Jews is converted and this these two Jews walk around the along the road every every Sabbath day or before the Sabbath to a business thing and they always talk and one of them has become a Christian and He says as a Christian to the other Jew.

He says you know now. I understand that now the Messiah has come I Understand that we exclude our infants from the Covenant faithfulness of God That wouldn't make any sense would it It would right But that's what baptism is a side right it's a sign that something like even I would say that Baptism believers baptism is a sign of the inward change In a symbol reality, where'd you get that who told you that and where's what's that in Scripture? I won't have him show you in Scripture Now we're almost 411 says this about a sign he received Abraham received sign the sign of circumcision a Seal the righteousness of faith which he had while uncircumcised Circumcised so circumcision was called a sign, and if we relate it to baptism. I think we can make the case then that baptism is a sign But a sign of what yeah the seal of righteousness well Then that would lean more towards your position of of a credo baptism if it's a seal of righteousness you have by faith Well, then it would work against my argument You see yeah, and so yeah, I it's a it's a good. It's a good argument. I just I I see it.

I just have never had it. I've never had it explained clearly, so I appreciate it, okay Here's one more thing just so just just this is a the attempt of the smile on my face And I gotcha a little one okay, so get ready. I'm nothing malicious of course So oh no no nothing simple here And so it let's go to a bet well, we're now visiting a Baptist Church you and I and they're gonna have a baby dedication All right, they're making a covenant. They're doing a covenant right before the people in the family. Where's the Covenant sign? Where's the Covenant sign do you know you and I both know that there isn't one that's right The biblical model is there's always a covenant sign with the Covenant So are the Baptists who are dedicating children without a covenant sign being on biblical? Because they have no sign Yeah, that's a question.

Oh, you're here. It is. I would agree with that No yeah, that's right that's on the other hand Before we get out of the caller on the other hand there's no account of any infant being baptized in the New Testament And why is that correct is it because? Because they were doing it, and it wasn't a problem, so they didn't have to correct the error That's a possibility that's kind of an argument from sign. That's a possibility yeah But there's also a possibility that there weren't and it's true.

That's right I would agree, but it does say whole households were baptized So yeah, and it doesn't explain if children were it in that Yeah So you see no we can't say absolutely yes, or no either way that it was only adults being baptized Or if infants were included we can't say either one is proven from Scripture We just see the arguments and we go well. What do you think well? I think this I I think that let me go okay.

Yeah, and we'll find out we get to heaven you know That's that's how yeah My my mother-in-law And I we tend to we tend to joke around about stuff that That's Not not salvation right heavy right so like things that are things that are outside the realm of salvation I do a lot of terms like we'll figure out who's scrubbing the toilet, and he's I'll be scrubbing the toilet. That's important. I deserve it.

Oh, yeah, but that's called the audio offer of the essentials Okay, buddy. We got a call away. I hope that hey go ahead.

I hope that helped all right. We have our reasons, okay? Yeah, I know we definitely do and I appreciate it.

I'll be going at you to keep real. God bless man All right, let's get to anonymous from Alabama welcome here on the air But yes, sir. I am a first-time caller, but I gotta say I've enjoyed your your shirt report except for having Here's my question I'm struggling a little bit Really for a few years with the existence of God You know I grew up in church, and I've just got I've never been one to really dodge the hard question you know And when I would study apologetics a few years ago. There was I would hear apologists Use the argument for the unique enemy of nature either as a as an indication that God is you know Uniformity of name already used to the right yes, it was the other principles of the of the world Right so, but here's here's my question and I'm for me. This is a big deal Okay, we really seem to have a lack of uniformity in Christian theology There's a there's a lot of different ideas and to me it seems difficult that You know we have the same Holy Spirit. We have the same Bible for the most part Yet, we read the same page the same words on the same page, and it seems like our ideas really divide me Culturally, then they do actually the long scriptural line an example of that Your unity in well my question is why I mean isn't the lack of unity in I can tell you why There are you know there are Just so you know there are essentials and non-essential doctrines essentials, and I've written an article What are the essential doctrines of the Christian faith?

And there it's on Karm it's an article and it lists with the scripture says her essentials The rest is called audiophora, and we're allowed to have differences of opinion like the gentleman before me We talked about infant baptism. He and I differ in our opinions, and that's okay. He could be right I could be wrong and you know and that's a possibility and So we have to have an attitude of submission and love to one another before Christ That's what lacks in a lot of people they get identified with a particular doctrine identify themselves with that And then they hang their hat on that and so further division becomes At the norm instead of submission to the love of Christ for those with whom we might lovingly disagree in the non-essentials It's a failure of the Christian church to demonstrate love in this area Okay, all right here. Here's my question, and I appreciate you have less than a minute. It was a minute go ahead Well, I apologize the the something came for me because like I said I'm sure with these dishes of God I wouldn't the Wouldn't that information even if things are more divided more divided along cultural lines, and they are Theological line wouldn't indicate more that it's just you know for instance the American Christians are really more American than Christian you know the Yes, I'll tell you what because we only got like 15 or 20 seconds left And you said something that I want to talk about we don't have time could would you be willing to talk call back tomorrow? And we talked about this issue if you don't doubt in the existence of God We can just talk for a little bit if you call earlier is that okay? That would be fine.

I would enjoy that I Schedule, but I think I could do that okay, and if it doesn't work you email me and I'll give you a call And we'll just talk privately, but I think others might be interested in a conversation over here, so let me know okay, buddy. We gotta go Okay, hey may the Lord bless you pray for him. God knows who he is and by God's grace We're back on there tomorrow, and I hope to be able to talk to you tomorrow. We'll see you everybody. Have a great evening. God bless you. Bye. you another program powered by the truth network