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We like $5, $10 a month, because then it helps us make budgets and things like that. And I'm still researching COVID, and I plan to release an article today, a table comparing the low-level comparison between the COVID vaccines that are used here in America and some of the side effects, the money involved with it and stuff like that. And I'm continuing to research.

People are really trying to give me a lot of information because this is such an important thing. It's becoming a big deal. And so the reason I'm doing this COVID, even though I'm a theologian, is because all things are to be held under subjection to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. And this means even what we put into our bodies and what the government does. And so the government's forcing us and trying to force us and et cetera. I want to know why. One of the questions I have is if the issue of our health is for our own good and wear masks and get vaccinated, why is it they're not requiring that of the illegal immigrants? They're allowing illegally to flood into our country in the southern border. Why is that? It does not sound like it's an issue of health.

It's an agenda to do something else. I'll be writing about that too. Anyway, so we talk about all kinds of things here on the show. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Look at Dave from Salt Lake City. Dave, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Thanks for taking my call. Sure.

What do you got, man? Talking about Christians listening to secular music. Is it okay to listen to secular music? Yeah. Well, let's look at different kinds of secular music.

What would you say about Bach or Beethoven or Mozart? I'd say it's okay to listen to that stuff. It's good.

Let's go on the far side, the other issue. What would you say about grindcore or death metal? I don't think it's very edifying. I don't think it's something Christians should really listen to.

Where do you draw the line in between? Me, it would be on the other side of country western. I can't believe anybody would like that. That's just my opinion. The lines on this side, don't listen to that stuff because it's not good for you.

I'm probably offending a lot of people. What about hip hop? What about heavy metal? It's just a difficult thing to answer. What I would say is that you listen to something that's going to edify you, but you can also listen to secular music.

Simon and Garfunkel, they were great musicians. What about them? You can listen to them.

Where do you draw the line? I don't know. I think it has to do with your personal preferences, abilities. Even if you like country western, you can listen to that and go to a concert. Are they talking about glorifying fornication and adultery and rape and murder?

No. Country western doesn't do that. It's pretty good for the most part. But a lot of the rap stuff does. Some of the rap music, they're swearing and cussing. So I would say that that is off limits. Christians shouldn't listen to it.

Then we get another idea. What about listening to Bethel music? It's beautiful music, but yet they teach heresies. Should we listen to that? I would say no. It's a tough one.

Use your own judgement. I listen to heavy metal because I have 80 decibel ringing in both ears. For 30 years I've had a super high pitched tone and the sound of bass is calming because it's the opposite of what I'm hearing 24-7. It's medicinal in a sense for me. It is.

I can't stand music that has horns in it because it drives my brain crazy. So people have different reasons for different things. A lot of it is a grey area. I have one more question. Have you heard of the Unity Church? The Unity School of Christianity or Unity Church?

That's the second time that's come up. Unity School of Christianity is a non-Christian cult. I would have to know what particular church it is, but unitychurch.org I'm looking at right now. Unity Spiritual Life Center. I don't know if that's the false number. I'll have to get the exact story and everything and ask you the next time on that.

It always helps to know what the URL is and I can go look because a lot of times different churches have the same name. Okay, let's get on the air with James from Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Welcome here on the air. You're breaking up a little bit. Let's try it again. Okay. You said long time listener and then something else. I couldn't quite follow you.

I don't know what it is about the connection, but that's what it is. First time caller. Oh, first time caller. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad you're calling.

I appreciate that. So what do you got? I was reading through Revelation in chapter one when the seven letters to the seven churches, Jesus says he hates the deeds of the Nicolaiites and I was trying to figure out what the origin of that was, if it had anything to do with the Gnosticism of the day, if it formulated with Nicholas from Acts 6 when he picked out some men to take care of other duties and what the Apostles were doing. To be off the top of my head, I don't know. There have been different interpretations about the seven churches and I think there was something to do with the Nicolaiites.

I don't remember. Because the seven churches of Revelation, I've been to all the locations. Oh, that's right. Not Laodicea, Nicolaiites.

So I've been to all the churches just on a tour out there, but I don't know off the top of my head who they represent. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate you taking my call. Okay.

I'm going to look for it though during the break and we'll see what you find. All right, man. Well, God bless. Sorry about that.

What's that? God bless, sir. Have a good evening.

You too. God bless. Hey folks, you want to give me a call?

Four open lines. 877-207-2276. Let's see. Turn that off and let's get to Vicki from Raleigh. Come on. Okay. I can't get the button.

Why is that? Okay. There we go.

All right. Something popped up. Hey Vicki, welcome. Hey man. Hi.

Hey, I have a couple of questions. One is back when I was very young, I was raised Baptist and then when I got married, my husband and I, we went to the Pentecostal church for a while. And there, um, you know, of course they talk everything Pentecostal, but anyhow, I did develop a prayer language. It wasn't like I was speaking in tongues, like for interpretation.

It was just something private for me. But I, I'm concerned because most of what I hear sounds like if you speak in a different language and you don't understand what you're saying, that it's like, like it just doesn't, I don't know that it's comfortable, but I still, I, it's not like I do it all the time, but sometimes I do. It seems for me, it's more like when I don't know exactly how to pray for something or I feel really deeply about something and, but I don't know if it's right to be doing it. Well, I was going to recommend that you do a, a slow read and a study of first Corinthians 14. Now, there are going to be people who will disagree with me on this and there's a group called cessationists and there are degrees of cessationists and cessationism to cease says that all the charismatic gifts have ceased with the completion of the Canon.

And I don't agree with that. First Corinthians one, seven says, we're not to lack any charisma while we're waiting for the return of Christ. And I can go to other verses about that, but so I believe in all of the charismatic gifts for today. And when you go to first Corinthians 14, they talked about revelation, knowledge, prophecy, teaching, and speaking in tongues.

And so can you do that? Can you speak in a tongue? Well, it says in first Corinthians 14, let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret as verse 13 of first Corinthians 14. Well, that's in the church context. What do you do about the issue of your own private bedroom praying and you know, you speak in tongues, which I think is possible. The Bible says in first Corinthians 13, if I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or some cutting symbol. So it talks about tongues of men and even angelic tongues and the cessationists will say it's a hyperbole.

They don't really have a communication system, whatever. But I've seen some, I think, pretty ridiculous explanations for trying to get out of this stuff. So I would say that from what I've seen in scripture, that in a church context, if they're speaking in tongues, it should be by two or three and then it should be interpretation. And if there is no interpretation, to keep quiet. If you are in your own private setting and the Lord were to work through you and speak in tongues and it says your mind is not, your mind is not edified, but your spirit is.

I don't have a problem with that from what I've seen in scripture. Okay. Okay. All right. That, that makes me feel better.

Next question. So I think I told you last time I talked to you, I haven't listened to the rest of it, but I know he's starting to talk about one, the day of the Lord and day of the Christ. He's saying there's two different things or two different days. And I've written the scriptures down.

I need to read them myself because he went through them very quickly. But he also, I know he's coming into, he's going to be saying that the wrath is separate from tribulation. So he does say that Christian is separate from tribulation, you know, but then after that is when the wrath comes and he's saying we get raptured before it's the wrath. Is there anywhere in scripture that it says that there's a tribulation and then wrath? Like two separate things?

Not that I'm aware of. Now I say that when I say not that I'm aware of because I don't have an exhaustive knowledge of those topics. I've studied them, but sometimes there are people who just have a better knowledge.

And if they were to contact me and say, look at this, look at that. They convinced me then. Okay, fine.

From what I've seen, there's only one return of Christ, this age and the age to come, one rapture, and the wicked are taken first. And the pre-wrath idea, we'll get to it a little bit after the break, okay? We'll talk a little bit more about this, okay?

Because it's a good topic. All right, so hey folks, please hold on. We'll be right back after these messages.

We have no open lines right now. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on here with Vicki from Raleigh, North Carolina. Vicki, you're still there? Yes, I'm here. So you're asking about the pre-wrath veal, right? Yes, sir.

Okay. Yeah, I don't see it as being biblical from what I understand about it. It teaches that there's a seven-year tribulation, and then halfway through the tribulation is when the Antichrist is revealed. Then there's a bad period of time, and then halfway between the revelation of the Antichrist and the return of Christ, halfway between that is when the rapture occurs.

It's like three-quarters of the way through the tribulation period, and then people are caught up there. And the reason is, is because they say that God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 5.9. And the problem with citing that verse and verses like it is it's just out of context. It hasn't destined us for wrath, but salvation. Salvation has to do with eternal salvation and wrath, eternal judgment. And so it's a misapplication of the verse. And so I don't see the pre-wrath as being biblical. That's just my opinion.

So there you go. The wrath is separate from the tribulation. Well, Kate, there is the tribulation period. Some people will define wrath differently than what the Bible does in certain contexts, and then it will be in harmony with other contexts. The word wrath can mean the wrath of a king and the wrath of God. But when the Lord is using it, particularly when it's juxtaposed to the issue of salvation, it means damnation. The wrath of God comes upon the unbelievers, and that will be eternal damnation. But the wrath of God can also come upon those who are still alive, and He can judge them. And we see that kind of thing codified or written down in the imprecatory Psalms, where the Psalmist says, God, go get them, punish them, destroy them.

And so there's different levels of what it is. So when they say pre-wrath, the general idea is that we don't experience the wrath of God, and it's the wrath of God upon the earth. Well, the word wrath there can change its meaning in what they're saying. We don't experience the wrath of God. Well, I would say, what does that mean for Christians not to experience the wrath of God?

That's the question that has to be answered. And the way to find it, to find out the answer, is to look at the word wrath, which is orgei, all right? And then it's the number 3709, and I can just go in here, my little Greek thing, 3709, and I can find out that it occurs 36 times in the Bible. Look at exactly what it means in every context and see, you know, there are types when it says, let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you. Well, that wrath just means a kind of a vengeful anger that you take on people. And then, therefore, it's necessary to be in subjection not only because of wrath, but also because of conscience sake. That's Romans 13, and that has to do with the judgment of the state. So it has different meanings and different contexts. When we talk about the wrath of God, then we have to deal with that issue. And so then I could do a search and stuff like that. And this is what they need to do, but I don't see them doing that.

I don't see them doing those kind of studies where they find out what the word means in the related contexts and stuff like that, if that makes sense. Okay. You have people waiting? Oh, yeah.

We got full phones. Okay. I'll get back in line because I have two more questions. I'll get back in line. All right. Sounds good. Okay. All right.

Let's get to, let's see, that would be Cheryl from Greensboro, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi.

Can you hear me all right? Yes, I can. Yeah. So what do you got? Okay, great.

I was in my car driving the Bluetooth. Okay. So I got a comment, question slash comment on the COVID. I'm a registered nurse of over 40 years. And so I do have some scientific knowledge. Anyhow, I even see doctors kind of taking sides on the mask, wear not mask and the vaccine, not vaccine. However, I have personal experience with just even regular the flu vaccine. I can go into that later.

Well, I'll just tackle it now. My dad actually had Parkinson's. And what I'm not hearing mentioned anywhere is that people with neurological diseases should never have a vaccine. And it totally destroys their immune protection system.

And myself, I know what it feels like. I don't have any diagnosed disease, other neurological disease, other than I do have a long history of allergies, asthma. But other than DNA, you know, genetics from parents, whatever. My dad was given one by mistake by the doctor's office and they admitted it was a mistake. And it literally he had pneumonia after ammonia. He was aged.

He was over, he was about 90 or was 90. COVID vaccine that you took that was given to him? No, it was actually a flu.

Yeah, flu regular flu vaccine. And it basically, you know, was the end of his life. They could have, yeah, they could have put a feeding tube in him, but that's not how he wants to live.

Anyway, that's a background also. I felt when I was on the flu shot and they tried to force him because respiratory, being a nurse, ER, all that. But I could feel for nine months after I got the shot, like a rough rag being pulled out of my lungs continuously, 24-7 for nine months. I know what death feels like. But anyhow, so I don't hear that being mentioned with the neurological problem issues and causing immunosuppression. My big question is, why aren't people demanding that those that got the vaccine are being tested for proof of effectiveness? Let me tell you something.

Let me, may I speed this? I'm not saying that right. Keep going. But there is a hospital in northern Indiana, and I cannot name it because I don't want to get my sources in trouble, but they are hiding this information.

But the first six months that everybody that got the two-step vaccination, the first six months of people, none of them showed antibodies to COVID after the shot. Really? And that is a fact.

Now, to give you the fact on paper, I probably wouldn't be able to get it at this point. But no one's asking this question. Doctors aren't asking this question. And as you can tell, it's very logistic. Right. And reasonable. You know, we should assume we've taken a vaccine, we're going to be protected.

But nobody's checking if they're being protected. It's an RNA derivative, you know, I'm not going to go into all that. I can't even explain. But as far as protection and producing antibodies from COVID, and there's so many factual reports on that, the vaccines are spreading it as much as whatever. I'm not going to agree, you know, agree or disagree or as much as or equal to.

Could you hold on? We have a break. Okay. And the research I've done is confirming what you're saying.

I have it on my website, too. But I'll be right back. Folks, right after these messages with Cheryl, who's a registered nurse talking about COVID. It'll be interesting when we get right back.

Please stay tuned. Welcome back, everybody. Let's get back on the phone with Cheryl from Greensboro. Okay, Cheryl. Welcome back. Go ahead. Hello, Reverend Matt.

Is this Matt? Yep. That's right. Okay, so sorry I don't get to hear your full show too much.

But anyway, that's pretty much it. I mean, we really do need to be demanding proof of effectiveness with those vaccines. Well, yesterday I released an article on my website, CARM.org, and I released an article the day before. The day before, it was total cases of COVID per one million population. Yesterday, I released information, I got COVID vaccine effectiveness and percentages of deaths in a population. I just noticed that the page is a little messed up.

I've got to clear the cache. But the issue is that it looks like the more the vaccines are in the culture, the more deaths there are. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, but here's the thing. You've got to put this information in proper perspective. They have more vaccinations per certain areas because there's more deaths, or is it reversed?

And that's the question. I actually write about that in one of the articles, or both of the articles. Scientists need to do the research on that. But I have this information, and I gathered it from unrelated sources, and I document where I get it from, and I did it in an Excel spreadsheet and a graph, and you find out that, like Mali, it has the fewest basic cases. Let's see if I can find the information.

Here we go. Yeah, and 26 cases per one million of deaths, 26 deaths per one million from Mali. Ethiopia, it's 43. And Mali has 41% vaccinated. Ethiopia, I mean, 0.41, less than 1%, less than a half a percent of the population in Mali are vaccinated. Same thing with Ethiopia.

Same thing with Sierra Leone. And in Afghanistan, 1.08% of the population is vaccinated, and 180 deaths. In Taiwan, 4.42, it's 35 deaths. When you get to Brazil, 33% are vaccinated. There's 2,746 deaths.

In Belgium, it's 71% vaccinated. It's 2,187 deaths. So total deaths. So it's like, well, what's going on?

What's going on? Generally, the more vaccines there are, the more deaths there are. But that's not to say that they're causing the deaths. Like I said, it could be because of the corollary effect. This is just something that the scientists need to go look into. But I don't trust them.

I don't trust them anymore. Right. Also, there were studies done on children that got the vaccines, and a huge percentage, I'm not going to quote a number, but a big percentage of the children developed. It almost immediately inflammation of the heart. So in relation to, I mean, that's another point. Now, regarding the mask, I really want to speak up for the non-mask wearers because nobody's saying anything about the probability of low oxygen, a skinny heart attack from the mask. And I also have people with breathing disorders, asthma, da-da-da. You know, who's going to be able to tell in the next four years how many people are going to die prematurely from being robbed of oxygen? And you know about the immunity debt. You know what that is, right?

I'm not sure what you're saying. Immunity debt is that a population gets exposed to a certain number of viruses, bacteria, et cetera, during a normal year. And so the overall population has an immunity relationship with all the new stuff. If you use distancing and masks and all these hygienic things, those other viruses are still out there. You just get exposed to them less, and so the immune system in the human body is less strong. And so when something strong does come along later, the body's less prepared to tackle it. It's called immunity debt, and it's a big concern because it can lead to a major pandemic that is caused, inadvertently caused, unintentionally caused by the practices of trying to stop a present problem.

It's called immunity debt. I learned all about that. That's awesome to hear. I love the knowledge and the research you've put into it.

Oh, I've done a lot. And here's the thing, the cloth masks miss 97% of the COVID vaccine viruses that go through the mask. It's only 3% effective. The surgical masks are at best 47% effective. The COVID-95 masks, if anybody's going to be wearing them, that's what you should be wearing.

It's 95% efficient. Well, that makes more sense. And so people are wearing the cloth masks with 3% effectiveness going around as though they're okay. But it's a false sense of security. And cloth masks are by far the most dominant mask. Well, I don't know.

I've seen about half and half here in Idaho. So there are problems. There are problems. And just the reasonableness of wearing a mask with a patient for 8, 10 hours, 12 hours, come on. I don't care if you have 10 masks on.

Air is going to get in there and there's going to be exchange both ways. And to me it's just ridiculous to believe that it's going to really be effective. That's right. In fact, the masks have to be worn a certain way. And they've even, with cloth masks and those surgical masks, where if you just put it straight from underneath your nose, the loop straight over your ear, versus crossing the loop over your ears. Crossing the loop raises the effectiveness pretty significantly, like from 40% to 55% or 60% effectiveness in a surgical mask.

Great. But it's still, you know, it's like, why are they pushing this stuff? And then there's reports of people having ill effects because of wearing masks. Now, I can understand you're a surgeon, you're a nurse, you don't want to get exposed. I used to work in a hospital.

And as a runner, a transport, and I also worked in emergency, registering patients. I was exposed to a lot of stuff. And I could see wearing a mask, you know, in certain situations. I went into a room once with a person who had spinal meningitis.

And, you know, but the doctor said not contagious. So, you know, the thing is, you've got to take precautions. But this imposition of the masks upon everybody in society seems to me to be, it's what I call a control marker. Cults have them.

And like in Mormonism, for example, you dress a certain way, you speak a certain way, you don't do certain things, you do certain things, and they watch you to see if you're conforming to the markers. And a mask is a control marker. It is. Exactly. I'm in total agreement. Total agreement. I think really in some ways I think it's just really not experimental, but a trial run before, you know, the mark of the beast in efforts. That's where the world is going to, of course. You know, it's all preparatory.

It's going to get worse. But the reasonableness of the mask, and I've worked in surgery rooms and, you know, doing spinal procedures. And so, you know, you have to wear a mask short term. But let me tell you, it's hard to wear one for 15 minutes is difficult.

And then they make high school students and some college students wear them while they're running, jogging. It's insane. I know it. It's insane.

I just laughed. Yeah, it's ridiculous. If the health of the population in America is really what they really are after, then why is it that they're promoting illegally the illegals coming into the southern border against the law and they're not supposed to be vaccinated?

And that's okay. And then they ship them out to conservative states. Exactly.

What is going on? If they really care about it. They don't care. Yeah, if they really care, and that's the whole point, they don't.

They want America to become a third world country for whatever reason, social and take over, whoever the world order. I had more to say, but you just cover so much ground. There's so much that can be said. And really, what can we do?

Well, I've got some ideas. But we need to resist, and we need to stand up, and the Christians need to pray. And I think that what's in part what I believe is happening, or I suspect strongly is what's happening, is that God is allowing this to occur because the Christian church has sat down and done nothing. It hasn't done its job, and it's not doing its job.

And so the persecution is coming to the Christian church, and the Christians will finally start to wake up. And this is unfortunately what happens. I agree. I agree, but there's one more thing I do want to say. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, you go ahead. So as a nurse, now I've had allergy, sinus problems for years and years.

I was six to nine months out of the year until I used my own head. I found out colloidal silver is used as an antibiotic. And so we don't drink it. You sniff it in your nose. I hear a commercial. Yeah, there is a commercial.

And also others. You should email me at info at karm.org. Okay? Let me talk.

Info at? Okay. C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, info at karm.org. It's my website. We've got to go. All right. God bless, Cheryl.

Thanks a lot. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back, everybody. Let's get to Tommy from Raleigh, North Carolina. Tommy, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes. Nice to hear from you, Pastor. How are you doing today? Doing all right, by God's grace, man. Doing all right.

What do you got? Yeah. I'm a Walmart Club driver, and I listen to you all the time. And I live in the Walmart Supercenter, and I do ministry. I don't have a lot, because when you was on the phone with the last caller, you summed it up just at the very end about the Lord himself.

But this is what I'm going to say. My sister-in-law had breast cancer, and my wife had ovarian cancer. And so we spoke with the oncologist, and I had to take her from Duke, North Carolina, to Atlanta, Georgia. So the cancer had spreaded. So after she had surgery in February, my sister-in-law died. So the doctor actually told my brother that they was kidding my sister-in-law.

And they did, but oh, well, she's gone. But anyway, what I'm saying is, me and my wife both, we did take the COVID shot. But what we did, we discussed that with our primary care doctor and oncologist. And I had allergy last year and this year real bad, real bad.

I would wake up and couldn't breathe. So I'm doing good. So I'll say this to help people.

Talk to your medical doctors and do you, because like you said, all this is because the critics are not doing their job, and there's nothing but a plague, but it's going to pass. That's all I have to say. Let's go back. Okay. Well, I appreciate it, brother. All right. Hope you feel better.

All right. Let's get to, let's see, Bruce from Winston-Salem. And we lost Bruce. Now the next longest waiting is Doug from Salt Lake City.

We lost Doug and they're dropping like flies. Let's see, Vicki from Raleigh, North Carolina. Vicki, welcome. You're on the air. Hey. Okay. So my next two questions.

I heard in one of your things, I don't know if it was recently. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, I do.

I hear you. I don't know if it, but anyhow, when you told somebody that called and you said the NIV was not good, and that's what my brother got me after I started listening to you. And I told him I wanted to start reading the Bible and I didn't know where your old one was, but he bought me an NIV and this other study Bible and stuff.

And then I heard you tell someone. Well, it's okay. It's not good for some things and it's better for others. It's more of a loose translation and I would not use it for apologetics. In fact, some of the professors in seminary use the NIV, so it can't be bad. And I wouldn't say it's bad. It's just that I want something more precise to the original language because I want to know what's really happening and not just a semi-translation that's kind of an interpretation a little bit, which the NIV really kind of is.

But in some areas it's very good. So I would say if you're going to get three Bibles, I say three Bibles. NIV is good, the NASB, and the King James. And between those you go through any comparisons between verses and you can see the overall what's going on. But if you've got the NIV. I can't listen to King James.

He said it's the last one. Yeah, King James is, you know, it's an oldie but goldie. And the NASB, which is more literal.

And either the ESV or the NIV, I would recommend the ESV over the NIV. But that's it, you know. There you go. Okay.

And then one last question. I used to do a lot of my reading on like Kindle and stuff like that. Are there any apps that you would recommend that you could either look at on your computer or on your Kindle maybe?

For what? Like for reading the Bible that you're aware of that are good ones? I just use my NASB and everything. And I have it on my phone. And so I don't really do devotional reading on my phone. I study so much all the time that I'm always in the Word.

That's how I get fed. But, you know, I don't know. There's something called e-Sword, which you can get as free. It's for your desktop. I don't know if it's on the phone also.

But it's e-Sword or e-Sword.com or.org. Oh, okay. I can get that on Kindle, okay. No, not a Kindle thing. It's a program. But as far as a Bible goes, you can get the NASB on a Kindle.

And you can get it at NIV and the ESV, I'm pretty sure, on Kindle. And that's fine. Okay.

Just get the basic one. Okay. Cool. All right.

I think that's all I have to disturb you today. Okay. No problem at all. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Garrett from North Carolina. Garrett, welcome. You're on the air. Hey there, Matt. I'm glad to talk to you.

Thanks for calling. So what do you got? Well, I just hopefully had a quick question. I'm not a very political person, although I do tend to be a little bit more conservative. And, of course, the vaccine issue is kind of a big one that has split my family for the most part.

I just want to ask you biblically. My understanding is that, so I've gotten the vaccine. My understanding is that Jesus, in the New Testament, set the expectation that our obligation as Christians is to obey the government in whatever authority that they have, short of them commanding us to sin against God. There you go. Yeah, there you go. That's correct.

Okay. So with that being said, again, I'm not trying to be political, but wouldn't that make the obligation of Christians to obey the government and get the vaccine? To some degree, but we're also to resist ungodly leaders, as Acts 5.29 says. And so we have ungodly leaders. Now, when they say that the vaccine is what they want us to have in order to buy and sell, obviously there's some problems there. And we don't want to submit to that kind of oppression, because that kind of oppression leads to more oppression.

The more you lay down, the more they will walk all over you. And so we have to think in terms of the greater good. Now, if you're taking the vaccine, okay, that's fine. But biblically speaking, we are to resist ungodly leaders, and we are supposed to obey God rather than men. And Romans 13 is often taken to mean just do whatever they say. The government says that's not it.

That's not the case. So we have to understand, for example, here's another thing. The Bible actually, governmentally speaking, the Bible actually teaches capitalism, private property, and right of self-defense, and representation by our peers. Yet our government is pushing socialism and Marxism.

So they are going against the scriptures. So now what do we do? Well, we've got to resist. And so where do we draw that line? It becomes difficult. Go ahead. That was actually going to be my next question.

How do you, as an individual Christian living out your life, how do you know where and when to draw that line as a small battle that isn't leading into Marxism between an actual move that you should resist because it is leading into unbiblical leadership of the country? Well, you both. And you've got to be careful. That's why I'm providing the research on CARM, on COVID. I'm also on governmental issues, and they're becoming more and more interrelated. I had to go back to the government section and add some more information. But I have the privilege of being able to sit home and work all day on this and research, and I enjoy doing it.

So that's just me. And I provide that information with documentation so that people can make their own choices. If people want to get the COVID vaccine, get the COVID vaccine.

If you don't want to, then don't. But the government doesn't have the right to force it on you. And when the government says it's for your own good, that's when you've got to be careful. Whenever a government says, this is for your own good, that's usually a very serious warning sign.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that's the difficulty is whenever the government tells me to do something like that, I have the tendency to believe that they are trying to control me, essentially, in an unjust way. But I had a hard time reconciling that with the precedent that Christ made of, you know, obey your government. Would you mind providing me with the scriptural references of the scripture that mentions to resist ungodly leaders?

Sure. Acts 5 29. What you can do is go to CARM and just type in Christian's Duty to Obey and Disobey Government. Christian's Duty to Obey Disobey Government. And you'll see the article that's there. It goes through the Jewish midwives, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego.

It goes through Disobey the King in order to Seize Paul. And there are gray areas, of course. Now, here's the thing. If the government says, we absolutely know that the vaccine is killing millions of people, here, take this vaccine. I could see that if it is, but it's not.

Something like 99% of people get infected, nothing really happens to them. That's my question. If it's for our good, then why is it they're opening up the southern border and letting illegals flood into our country without the same requirements they put on us? That hypocrisy and that inconsistency then tells us we can't trust them. We can't. I don't know if you know this. Natural immunity is 13 times better than the vaccine.

13 times. And there are more and more accounts of people who have been vaccinated who are getting sick with COVID. It's increasing. So when you start having this information, then it becomes an issue of, or when does it, excuse me, when does it become an issue of self-defense? Because we have the right of self-defense. Yeah, I guess that makes sense, the self-defense argument. I didn't even consider that because to some degree it's probably a fallacy, but I got to the point of having the opinion that the Bible tells me to obey the government, and if the government decides they want to do population control and eliminate me, so be it.

I'm going to heaven. But I suppose that would make sense that that would be a case of self-defense that we should stand up for. Yeah, as Christians we have to understand that to do nothing is to promote evil. The Christian church has sat on its hands for decades and not really done what it needs to do. And if I were to ask Christians, what's the obligation that we have as Christians? I'll ask the question right now, no one has to answer me because most people won't get it. What's our obligation as Christians?

Maybe even one of the number one, you could do one, two, three, there's probably a variation. But it's to make disciples of all nations, to go out and evangelize and witness. This is what Jesus commanded us to do. He also said, pick up your cross daily and follow after me.

These are not things like, you know, get a nice car and a nice bank account and relax and go to church on Sundays. What we're called to do as Christians, quite the opposite. And it's a shame that in our comfortable Christian culture here in America that the atrophy has occurred and taken us over because we're not being stretched. Well, now we're being stretched and more and more and people are going to be going to jail for being Christians. I'm waiting to get arrested.

I am, I'm just looking at my door. I suppose you would be the first of us. Well, I'll be up there, you know, and I've been swatted before. I've been followed.

I've had threats of varying kinds come to me. So, you know, who knows what's going to happen, but I have to speak out and I'm going to continue to speak out because it's what needs to be done. And I think it's 1 Corinthians 16, 13, Jesus says, or Paul says, act like men.

He says, you know, be strong, act like men. And in my opinion, the reason things are going so bad is because men aren't doing their jobs in the Christian church. That's my opinion. Or in society. I mean, that's definitely a scourge on our society is that men don't really exist anymore. But that's a whole other conversation.

Oh, I love talking about that. I've been wissified because men are under attack in media and sitcoms and movies. You're either, you know, if you're a man, you're incompetent or you're a murderer, you're a white supremacist oppressive person, or you've got to be, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone, you know, kicking rear all over the place. And the guys who just go home, they work hard, they take care of their families, ridiculed. And they don't even know how to be married. They're named for it. Yeah. Maybe they're a little shamed for it.

And that's happened to women too, but it's a big problem. Oh, wait, we've got to go. It's Friday. That's okay. Thank you, Matt. All right, buddy. God bless.

Hey, folks. I hope you have a great weekend. Wow. And by His grace, Lord, we'll be back on air on Monday and we'll talk to you then.

God bless. See you. Bye. Bye.