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Let's get to Kim from Rural Hall, North Carolina. How are you doing, buddy? Good, Matt. My question is from Romans 7, verses 15 to 18. What are you trying to say in those verses, 15 to 18? For what I'm doing, I do not understand, for I'm not practicing what I would like to do, but I'm doing the very thing I hate.

But if I do the thing that I don't want to do, I agree with the law, confessing that the law is good. So now no longer am I the one doing it, but the sin which dwells in me. And verse 18, I think you said also, but it doesn't matter. This is an interesting area of scripture. And in Romans chapter 7, Paul is decrying his inability to live in a holy way. And so what he does is he personifies sin and he talks about it being in him and this thing alive in him. And as he concurs with the law, and he's dead to the law and all this stuff, sin in him doing all these things. And that's all he's doing. He's personifying that whole issue. And so, because he says, I don't do the things I want to do and stuff. And when he says, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin dwells in me, it's just hyperbole.

It's exaggeration. And he's discussing his struggle that he has. He says in verse 21, I find in the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God and the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me prisoner of the law of sin, which is in my members, wretched man that I am who will set me free from this body of death. So that's what he's doing.

He's personifying the battle and the war that's going on inside of him. Okay. Thank you, man. God bless you.

God bless you, man. All right. Hey, folks, we have four open lines. Give me a call.

877-207-2276. I'm trying to get that right. There we go. All right. Let's get to Paul from Virginia. Paul, welcome. You are on the air.

Hello there. Yes, I would like to know if it's possible that because I got chills earlier, I was watching the news and they were talking about these QR codes, which is the, I guess, the newer barcodes that are used with technology and that you can take your vaccine card. And if you have proof of the vaccination, somehow or another, they'll make it into a QR code and you can have it on your phone. And I'm really concerned about big pharma and big tech, but I was wondering if the COVID so-called virus and then the ensuing shots that they're calling vaccines, which from what I understand are not really traditional vaccines, could be a precursor to the mark and will Christians be able or be fooled into accepting the mark of the beast? Well, I don't think they're going to be fooled into it.

Real Christians. But this is something that people are asking me. Is it a precursor to the mark of the beast and we have to have a mark to buy or sell? It certainly could fit the category of being a precursor of something that comes in before to get people prepared. And you got to understand something.

There are a lot of problems with what's going on. And I've been doing a lot of research every day on this. Natural immunity is 13 times better than the vaccines.

I just released today on CARM and yesterday. Yesterday was on percentages of populations that are vaccinated and how many infections they have. And then today, percentage of people vaccinated and how many deaths there are. And I graphed them. And the general result is that the more vaccinations there are, the less efficient they are, the population. There's an increasing line.

I did a logarithmic trend line inside of an Excel spreadsheet after graphing the information, demonstrating that the more vaccines there are, the more deaths and the more infections there are. And so why is that? Why is it the scientists, if I can figure this out, I'm a theologian, how come they can't figure it out? Of course they have. So why is it, for example, that this is all precursor to what you're talking about.

Why is it that the leftist moron wackos in our government open up the borders against the law and allow hundreds of thousands of people to come in illegally against the law on our southern border and they don't require vaccinations for them, but for you and me to go into businesses like in New York City, et cetera, you have to have a vaccination and a card to move around. And so the inconsistency here is incredible. Why is that? The only conclusion I can come, having studied cults for years, is that the reason they're doing this is to gain control of the population. This is exactly the kind of stuff that cults do. You have to submit to the authority over you. You're not allowed to question that authority over you. If you do, there will be consequences to you questioning the authority above you.

And so you can't do that. You have to believe. Facts don't matter.

It's always the agenda. And the facts are that natural immunity is 13 times better than vaccinated immunity. And if the vaccines work so well, why are we still required to wear masks? People who are vaccinated, why wear masks?

It doesn't make any sense. And plus, what's happening is they're now calling it the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now what they're doing is they're labeling and they're penalizing people who are not vaccinated. And so now this is a Marxist communist ploy system used to divide people and to conquer them and bring them into submission. And so is it a precursor? It very well could be. Is it the mark of the beast?

I would say no. But these are the kinds of things that could be put in place in order to get people to comply, in order to just buy in, hook the line and sinker to whatever you're told to do. There's Benjamin Franklin who said, he who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither. And that's true. And we need to fight back against the oppression that is coming down. And as I'm telling you, I'll repeat this. As someone who studied cults for decades, I see the same behavior going on in control.

And I recognize it very clearly, very easily. And this is dangerous. We're losing our rights. Our country is changing.

And we have a socialist regime that's moving in, et cetera, et cetera. And what will ultimately happen, if you know Ephesians 6, 12, ultimately what will happen is the Bible says our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities of darkness. Ultimately, this is to suppress the Christians and the promotion of the Gospel and to bring about as much misery and bondage as possible.

It's the way of the evil one. Biblically speaking, socialism is not the biblical model, but capitalism is. And a lot of people don't know this, but the Puritans who came over from Europe, in part to escape persecution, but largely to create a Christian nation here, they asked the ministers to go through the Scriptures and develop a biblical mindset, a biblical governmental system. And because the government that was established has three branches of government, it's because the founders of our country understood the sinfulness of man and there needed to be a check and balance system. On the contrary, the socialism and the Marxist group say that the problem is not people, but the governmental system. So whatever ends they want to go for, the ends justify the means. So they're allowed to lie, cheat, and steal in order to get people to succumb to and submit to the greater good that they see is good according to their understanding. Because remember, people are good, they're dumb, but they're good, and it's the system that needs to be changed, and that's why they're trying to change the system. And one way to do this is to force mandated obedience masks on people and vaccinations on people in order to get them to comply.

Because if you can do that, then you can push through whatever you want in a government without upholding the Constitution, and you can bring people into submission. And this is all part of the spiritual aim to destroy the Gospel. Ultimately, that's what's going on. Okay? Okay. One final follow-up to that is Revelation 18, 21 through 24, I believe it is, where it talks about the people were fooled by sorcery, and I think that goes back to the word pharmakeia.

Is that anything to do with this, which I don't know if that's before or after or what part of the tribulation or all of that. But I was wondering if pharmakeia figures into that, and I know my question probably sounds very bizarre, but I can't quite verbalize it. No, I understand. I do. What you're doing is seeing a connection between sorcery, drug abuse, and things like this that's going on. And there's a connection, but don't know how to voice that connection in a question.

I totally get it. It all depends what Revelation 18 is talking about, but it's dealing with the issue of Babylon. And who or what is Babylon? Some say it's a Roman Catholic Church. Some say it's America. Some say it's the system of governmental bureaucracy.

And let's see, I don't know what to say. Is the destruction of a planet from material gain? I've heard different theories, so I don't know. But it is interesting that all the nations will be deceived by your sorcery. Now, it could be that just the word sorcery here just means sorcery.

They're ungodly practices and means by which they do things. It could be just in reference to the occult. And there's a lot of stuff, information.

I've been fed, I haven't verified it, about varying individuals in governmental systems around the world involved in some pretty bad occultic practices. So is it true? It's yet to be verified. Because how do you verify something like that? You have an insider come out and say it.

But then if that's the case, how would we know? So there are lots of instances of this anecdotal. I have a friend who was, I'll tell you this quickly before the break, he was an initial responder at 9-11. He has asbestos in his system. He's got cancers and things like that. He's still around. And I'll get back to the break. I'll tell you what he said about drug houses.

Okay, because it's my thing. All right, we'll be right back, folks. After these messages, please stay tuned. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.

We have four open lines, 877-207-2276. Let me give the story a friend of mine said. This is in the context of pharmacia, drugs, and things like that. This is what he told me. This is the guy I trust. His IQ is like 190, something like that. And he's incredibly brilliant. And he used to be a paramedic up in the New York City area. And when 9-11 happened, he was on the scene. Well, anyway, he and his buddy, when they were doing varying drug houses, when, you know, OD's and they'd get a call, they'd go in there. He told me that on 11 different occasions, he would go into a place and there'd be people who had died and people who were just, you know, in bad, bad shape and they'd triage into people in bad shape because you leave the ones who were dead, done.

I mean, you can't help them. He said 11 different times, people who were dead sat up and in a weird voice would say, you can't have him, he's mine, and then fall back down. And do with that what you want, but that's what he told me. Okay, let's get to Angie from Minnesota. Angie, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt Flick. Hi. How are you?

I'm doing okay. I called like ten years ago. You what?

I called you like ten years ago and was on your show, and I haven't called since. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, it was a good conversation. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know. I figured that.

I figured that. I'm a realtor, and I was just on a Zoom meeting with other realtors who are supposedly Christian, and at the end this lady came on and said that she was just in the room just observing everyone and she was going to kind of like a psychic tell us what she thought of each one of us, kind of like a prophetic thing. And right away I'm like, wait a minute, that doesn't sit right with me, but what do you, she's, well, she's a pastor, so obviously that's not okay.

Wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, so wait a minute, she's a pastor? Wait, I'm just reading her bio right now.

Really? She was ordained. Ordained, and she said that she was there to do what? Psychic what? Well, she didn't call it psychic. They just said that she was kind of like reading the room, reading people.

She would get like visions about certain people when they were talking. Okay. And so I don't know, I don't, I mean, that totally makes me want to, like, run the other direction. But I was just wondering if you've heard of Apostolic Network of Global Awakening? Well, I saw the, no, I hadn't. I saw the information that Keith put in during the break.

I was looking at it. Oh, here we go, finally. I've been looking for the statement of faith, and God is the eternal living, three persons of one substance. Okay. And the last thing, okay, I'm looking through, just scanning while I'm talking.

And it doesn't, I don't like the way these are written. It seems to be pretty extensive, but it should have God and then Trinity, salvation, so that you can understand what, you know, go right to them because it's hard to find it. So at least they're Trinitarian. Apparently her title, her title is Director of Intercession.

Director of Intercession. Well, I can't tell you too much about it. At first I've heard of it, but with a name like Apostolic Awakening, that's, you know, usually, not always, but usually people who say apostolic are the ones who say we're the ones who are back like the first church. You know, we have apostles and things like that. I'm not saying this is the case here, but that's usually the things that go on there. That makes me wonder how they check it out. And apparently there's prophetic training at this place. And I don't, it just reminds me of like someone doing a reading for you. Like coming up, they're going to tell you your future.

Yeah, that would be an issue. Well, you know, 1 Corinthians 14, okay, let's back up. In 1 Corinthians 1 and 7 it says that you not lack, the church not lack any charismatic gift while waiting for the return of Christ. So I'm of the opinion that the Christian church has access to all the charismatic gifts, including prophecy, word of wisdom, knowledge. And so the New Testament prophets in that context, in 1 Corinthians 14, are those who are in the church context and would give a prophecy. And Paul even said that he wished that all would prophesy more than speak in tongues. But it's the case that the elders of the church have to judge these prophecies. The problem here that when we get into groups that say, hey, I'll give you a prophecy.

It's like they're going around willy-nilly. And it just, I don't know how to describe it, but it's just, it's a warning flag. It doesn't seem to be referenced. It doesn't seem to be in the church context.

It's just these people, in my opinion, that seem to be drawing attention to themselves and their particular gifting and their things, and they're in connection, in contact with God, and they'll give you information. And this is the kind of thing that really bothers me. It bothered me, like my red flag went right up. Good. Good for you.

I just want to make sure, you know, it's kind of funky. I'm going to not go to that group again. Well, you can get more information from them, though.

We always like that. True, I could. Yeah, and, you know, I went to a Seventh-day Adventist meeting earlier last week, and I was hoping to get some good info, but they weren't saying anything. They didn't already know. But, you know, the more I'm learning about SDA, for example, the more I'm realizing the official teachings are cultic, and that's what it is.

So, yeah, I'm looking at their statement of faith. Oh, another thing. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Okay.

This is a different topic. I went to my very first Catholic Mass. You didn't participate, did you? No, no. Good. No, it was a funeral. It was a Mass. Okay.

Or a funeral or something. Mm-hmm. And it was very interesting, really interesting. Mm-hmm.

I felt very out of place. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I listen to what you talk about all the time for Catholics, this and that, and it's like, I just got to find out. I just got to see what it's all about.

So, I did, and it was really weird. Yes. From what I'm used to.

From what I'm used to. Right. The Mass in Catholicism is an actual efficacious re-sacrifice of the offering of Christ on the cross. And when the priest lifts the elements up, they become the body and the blood of Christ, and then people take it to get rid of mortal sin. Ah. And the grace infused into them. Oh, yeah.

It's a complete bondage thing. Oh, my gosh. Absolutely. Yeah.

It made me really sad, actually. Yeah. Well, thanks for taking my call. Sure.

I'll call in the next 10 years. Okay. Well, that's good. That's good.

Yeah. Have you been listening long? You've been, because we've got no other callers waiting right now, so I'm going to talk to you just for a sec. Over 10 years. You've been listening? Over 10 years.

And you still like me? Yeah. That's something. I know. I don't even understand it myself.

I don't either. And, you know, my wife still, I think she still likes me, and she's been listening to me on the radio for 17 years. The problem is- Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And the problem is when I talk to her in the house, she doesn't listen to me.

But if it's on the radio, she'll listen to me. I love it. Yeah.

You're awesome, Matt Flick. Thank you so much. Okay.

And, gee, God bless. Thanks a lot. Okay. Bye. Okay.

Bye. I'll be back in just a moment. I'll be back after the break. So, hang on a second. I'll be back in just a minute. I'll be back at eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. Be right back. It's Matt Flick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Flick. Welcome back, everyone. And let's get to Tom from Des Moines, Iowa. Tom, welcome. on the air uh... yes hi uh... in balm eighty seven uh... when the bible talked about the little g dot who is that referring to what verses that in eighty seven uh... around five maybe four five six the heart that this woman and that one were born in her in the most high himself will establish a little counter when he registers people's the one who's born there the flutes center i don't see you but that's what's the phrase people up well i'm sorry maybe it's balm eighty-two fire i apologize and the question is uh... your god's that in so many too yet a little g god in balm eighty-two ok who is that referring to it's uh... that unrighteous judges it's on the eighty-two verse six and uh... it's it's an imprecatory psalm imprecatory psalm is a psalm of condemnation where the psalmist wishes uh... harm and ill on people sick and you know that god get them and so it's an imprecation and so so many too i know about this because the mormons use it uh... out of context and uh... which is your god's and jesus quotes this in jon uh... ten thirty three thirty four answers your god's and they say see your god's and uh... but that's not what's going on there it's a it's a mockery and condemnation by god upon the unrighteous judges of israel at that time and so uh... it's as i said your god's and all your son the most high but the next verses nevertheless you will die like man and fall like anyone the princess so it's uh... imprecation imprecatory imprecatory psalm against the unrighteous judges of israel at that time who were behaving like god's in that they had power of life and death but god's gonna judgment for unrighteousness and this this applies take to the leaders of our country the reason why i ask is because i was in a bible study last night uh... and they were going over the book the unseen around by a guy named i think it being that michael kaiser and he was and uh... basically the book was talking about the little cheek dot are not angels but they're actually d it together their deities there are other deities that are in the spiritual realm that are okay are out there that's a flaming uh... heresy flaming heresy and uh... what i would like to have it immediately i i just well i'm just asking if you want to do this you next week your bible study get me on the phone speaker phone and of field questions from your group and we'll talk about this this is a serious heresy that can undermine the truth of who got his and the idea of multiple gods and can help people come to the place of being deceived by mormon ism and other god to teach other system to teach multiple gods great thank you very much for your answer i appreciate that yeah i'm not going to joke i mean i am dead serious i'd love to copy you know i call in five minute a whole hour i don't care but they can ask the questions we can talk about this issue because it is not lesser deities is only one god and god says he doesn't even know if any of the free before him ever any created after he knows of none as a forty three forty four forty five there are no other deities period they're all false gods and so the idea and the council of the gods was talking about the red dot about that and this issue here are you are god's is just simply a mockery of of god through the psalmist on the unrighteous judges of israel so the guy who wrote that stuff is just uh... promoting heresy false teaching and if your group has been damaged by lies and so that needs to be corrected great thank you so much can you view searchly you can call me okay you email me about that i think i'll give you my cell number even we'll talk okay this is a serious thing okay thank you yup but i'll kick right on okay lol so much heresies so little time in the call folks eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six you have four open lines in a call eric from iowa welcome you're on here hi pat uh... how you doing this afternoon good what's your name erica erica okay it's it's it's very hard to like erica from america got it okay so what do you got it's like an iowa afternoon right all the iowans on today well because uh... keith the great he's key keith listen to me i gotta be really nice to him because he can push buttons i'm gone uh... he's really nice when he wrote erica said erica so this is an opportunity to tease him a little bit that's all so what do you got what's up yeah so i've been doing some devotions on genesis and as i was reading genesis seventeen uh... it it looks like god made a promise to abraham about uh... blessing you smile and making a great nation out of him as well uh... and i was curious who who represents that nation in today's world some say it's the arabs target facts some say it's the arabs but there's some debate about that uh... and uh... ishmael here's a little bit of a treaty information the reason ishmael and isaac are are blessed is because god said to a random blesses descendants and ishmael was born thirteen years after isaac was and thirteen is a number of sin and that's a big explain but that there's a number pattern of of of thirteen that occurs in sinful things like uh... the uh... the in hebrew the a prick abhi describing the devil when you add up all the letters which are numbers is divisible by thirteen things like that and so he was uh... thirteen years after and uh... so some think that he was uh... uh... the father of the arabic nations and then it says something about time to remember the verse i don't even remember what was it he'd be like a wild donkey uh... descendants would be like a wild donkey and uh... so uh... which makes sense the following i'm trying to remember it i can't find it anyway so uh... that's one of the theories about it and kind of i think a follow up on that is genesis seventeen twenty one then says that you know isaac is the child of the covenant yeah because he's inside right because god had a covenant with israel so with the so then with the descendants of ishmael if they claim the god of abraham is there some alignment there as far as us still worshiping the same god even though it's not a physical lineage well that kind of blends into the issue of the muslims there's three abrahamic world religions judaism christianity and islam islam says that they worship the same god as as christians in fact uh... the roman catholic church let's see catholic i'm gonna find this catholic catechism uh... muslims the same god and uh... i forgot which storm eight that's right it's uh... catholic catechism eight forty one the this with the official doctrine of the catholic church says paragraph eight forty one the catechism of the catholic church the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the creator in the first place amongst whom are the muslims these profess to hold the faith of abraham together with us they adore the one merciful god mankind's judge on the last day so the catechism of the catholic church says the muslims worship the same god that that the uh... catholics do maybe they do catholicism's not christian uh... this is obviously false so uh... this idea of work worshiping the god of abraham well you know the descendants of ishmael were under that covenant and so god is covenant only faithful even when we're not so the people have multiplied greatly and that could be as some have said the arab uh... descendants though there's some evidence that the arabs are all already in place about that time but it could be that they mingled in and expanded in around over that area too so thank you very much you're welcome very much well god bless okay hey folks if you want to give me a call for open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get to bob from blackpool england welcome you're on the air thank you matt for taking my call i sort of already know the answer to this question but i just wanted sort of double confirmation from you really i've come across a so called exorcism on youtube i'm absolutely unconvinced that a christian a born again christian can be possessed of an evil spirit i wonder if you could give your shake on that please uh... if you go to matthew twenty-two twenty twelve forty three and jesus says now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man this is after he's been doing exorcisms this is the context of what he's talking about when the unclean spirit goes out of a man it passes through waterless places seeking rest and does not find it we'll have to be back after the break and i'll continue this and we'll go through it okay sorry about that hold on folks we have four open lines give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six we'll be right back it's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick welcome back to the show we have four open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get to bob you still there oh i'm still there matt yeah okay so as i was reading in matthew twelve forty three uh... through through forty five it'll say uh... jesus says now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man this is after being cast out it passes through waterless places seeking rest and does not find it and then it says i will return to my house from which i came and when it comes it finds it unoccupied swept and put in order then it goes and takes along with its seven other spirits more wicked than itself and they go in and live there and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first that is the way it is also with this evil generation so the implication here is that when the the demonic spirit leaves is cast out exercised travels around it comes back if they house the the body whatever you want to call it of that person is unoccupied the inference is the holy spirit is not there then the demonic force can come here and it'd be worse so that's the implication there and uh... it cannot be that we are uh... demonically possessed as christians because the holy spirit is living in us the father of the sun they live in us john fourteen twenty three if god lives in us how can darkness also live in us as well now we have this in our own nature we have a sinful nature but we're not indwelt by demonic forces and so uh... the people who do these things where they say they'll cast demons out of christians give me a break you know it's yes you know it's from second moronicals you know we don't have any verses for this and but they might go to pre-kara where says peter where jesus says to peter get away from satan and that's when peter said to christ don't go to the crucifixion and so he was rebuked soundly he was ultimately a demonic thought but doesn't mean that he was uh... demonically possessed one of the problems here is with this kind of movement that has occurred and is still occurring uh... here in america and probably over there as well in england or the uk is that uh... some people teach that the the human is a trichotomy body and soul and spirit and some say the soul can be possessed but not the spirit some say the spirit could be possessed but not the soul and so you could be a christian and have god in your soul but your spirit be possessed or vice versa i've heard different rationalizations the problem here is that dichotomy and trichotomy are debated and i won't get into theology behind that but nevertheless what this often does is it puts people under a bondage in that oh you have these problems you have a lust problem a greed problem of it an eating disorder you have uh... whatever it might be you know a gambling disorder well that's because there's a demon in you that pushes you to that and so what we can do now is cast it out so what we have to do this is the kind of thing that they do they said you have to confess all of your sins you have to be able to close all the doors so the exorcists sometimes will say tell me every detail now they get into your personal lives in areas that's between you and god only and they will use this often in a psychological emotional manipulation to gain uh... power and influence over people a lot of times people are self deceived who do this trying to help people but there are bloodied uh... spiritual corpses left along the path of these alleged healings and demonic castings of outs and all that kind of stuff and i've heard many stories of people who've been psychologically damaged because they have become extremely vulnerable people have very private information about them they start to worry about it they've gone through emotional semi cathartic means when they start crying because of their past sins and then the the exorcist person counselor person will say see you're getting this out and it's it's just not healthy to the way they're doing it and uh... it causes uh... problems and damage and uh... there's been lots of cases like this i've had a lot of reports from people over the years about this stuff christians cannot be demon possessed okay yeah god bless you Matt uh... keep up the excellent work okay well thank you alright god bless now someone just said uh... something in the uh... text here i'm gonna read this uh... text in the room it says when i listen to Michael Heiser's explanation of the other gods i understood him not to describe them as alternate gods but more powerful than angels per se and that they all were created by yahweh he says i don't agree with Heiser on some of the teachings i don't follow him or recommend him etcetera now if that's the case that they're not actual gods but they're more powerful than angels and that's teaching that there's a third kind of of uh... of existence of some being out there which i don't see in scripture in all my years of study i don't find it so it's a problem as well nevertheless hey folks we have wide open lines why don't you give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six now folks you cannot be demon possessed if you're a christian you can however be oppressed you can be oppressed there could be demonic forces working against you and they can manifest in different ways but you cannot have a demonic force inside of you now in my novel the influence there was a character named leech and i like the way this kind of came out and came together and leech was an unbeliever and he was trying to get more in with a gang and uh... he didn't realize that he was possessed and there was a scene where leech was standing in front of a mirror and the demonic force in him was whispering in his mind i took uh... literary license in this it's fiction whispering in his mind that you know you are powerful and you're good and he would say to himself yes i am powerful i'm good and he looks into the mirror and the more he talks about himself the more he likes what he is and what he does and wants power and influence and the demonic forces guiding him and influencing him in his thoughts now i'm not saying that's how it works but it was just a literary thing that i wrote in the novel the influence and uh... i never forgot that because i remember writing it thinking this could be how it works you know i don't know i'm smiling when i say that i don't know but it was descriptive it was informative and i wrote this thing seven or eight years ago and i still remember writing that particular scene and it really was kind of interesting it stuck with me there's only a few scenes in the book that's really stuck with me that was one of them so uh... how does it really work i do not know but christians cannot be demon possessed but unbelievers can be and the unbelievers because they don't have the mind of christ are ultimately in the service of the evil one you gotta think about this who are people under demonic influence in our governments if people want to mock that and say well this guy believes in demons yeah i do you know the scriptures uh... reveal them and and uh... as jesus obviously taught about them and rebuke the devil we don't know to what extent that they have power and influence and if god is real and the bible is true and jesus is who he said he was which i believe is all the case then demonic forces are real as well and we have to be very cognizant of them and we need to be praying against demonic forces in our country and i've been praying my wife and i pray not every night but uh... about we pray every night just about but but not every night for our government and for the leaders in our government but i have been praying for them and sometimes i pray lord if they're not elect in precatory psalms lord please save them please be merciful but if they're not of yours please discipline them heavenly but lord if you discipline the christian church for its apathy in this country then so be it let the persecution continue that the church will be purified knees would bend and we would seek our lord all right let's get to john jan from salt lake city jen welcome here on the air hi matt i sure enjoy your program it's been listening for years and i have a quick question and you're welcome even possession if uh... as someone that was even possessed came to you and said i wanted to keep keep it with my lord and savior what happened to that demon if they cannot be uh... uh... that leaves it leaves just leaves just with them accepting the word you can understand though generally from what i've understood about how all this works that if someone comes to a person and he's possessed and wants to receive christ there's usually quite a battle that goes on in the process and the person wants to receive christ it's often very emotional and uh... energized let's just say uh... but if it does if it is the case that someone wants to receive christ or demonically possessed which how could that be which is another set of issues uh... then that the demonic forces would be cast out immediately okay uh... there would be no manifestation it would just leave don't know if there'd be no manifestation sometimes people might groan loudly as leaves because and in the bible we know that people are thrown into fire pits that have physical reactions so i don't i would not be surprised if there's a physical reaction there as well but it doesn't mean it's going to happen okay one more question if i know okay uh... alright i am a volunteer uh... religious service out at the prison and uh... over years and the gals will receive the lord and i do a you know there's all sorts of uh... salvation prayers and i know it's no magic words it's jesus it's saved and you know i have uh... you know so uh... and i think about the the way the seed fell on which soil and someone said just because you say that prayer with them that doesn't mean they're saved and i said you know what really that's god's business he just tells me to do it and i'll pay uh... is there anything else i need to add to that no i think it's pretty good yeah you know it's not that that's a prayer it's not a it's not a formula to save someone it's their appeal to god for clean conscience and confession and you're just assisting them minority problem i'd really an article on uh... you know on uh... what's uh... uh... the salvation prayer you know it's not a formula but people who were there who want that they're appealing to god and you know if i was in the prison with you you were the one talking to some prisoners and you want to leave them to the lord i'm keeping quiet i'll be praying for the lord to open their heart and their minds okay all right excellent i just want to make sure stop the i-ing across the D always thank you for all you do oh thank you bless you and your wife oh thanks she needs it thank you okay god bless you all right let's get to kurt from winchester salem north carolina kurt welcome you're on the air hi matt uh... got a question about mark nine verse forty nine for everyone shall be salted with fire and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt could you explain that please i'm sure afraid of fire well uh... i can't try and explain it uh... the context okay the context is uh... judgment your i stumble throw it out if your eye causes you to stumble throw it out better to enter the kingdom of god with one eye then go to hell the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched for everyone it will be salted with fire uh... salt is good but if salt becomes unsalty it's a play on words i think is going on there but it looks like everyone will be salted with sprinkled with or experience certain levels of persecution difficulties and trials i think that's what the fire means while we're still on the earth while we're still on the earth absolutely okay we're out of time go back to my room and talk more about it all right buddy god bless hey folks we're out of time and the lord bless you and by his grace his great grace back on there tomorrow and i hope that you're listening then may the lord bless you by the way we actually prayed for you guys every day before the show god bless 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