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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network Podcast. to do my COVID research. And I'm getting more and more disturbed by what I'm finding in the mandates.

And they are, now Biden is now saying that he's going to force employees, federal employees to take the vaccine. And I've been, there's so much, I can't even keep up with everything that people are giving me. I am so far behind in research, but I'm doing the best I can. And there is just so much, but I've got some documentation. And if you go to CARM.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and just go to the homepage, you'll see what's called outlines on COVID. And that's all it is, just outlines. It's quotes with documentation.

So there's no commentary. It's just quotes and documentation. And I'll tell you, there's a lot going on, and there's so much more to research.

This is turning into a humongous project, and I've got so many other things I need to do. But the reason I'm focusing on it is because of oppression. I believe, or I wonder, or I suspect, or I'm afraid that the government will become more oppressive and require vaccine mandates for people who don't want to take them. You know, I think it's a form of self-defense to say, no, I don't want to take this, because there are a lot of problems with the vaccines.

In fact, my wife told me today that she was listening to Eric Clapton. He took the vaccine, and he lost the use of his hands for a while. There are lots of anecdotal things like this. I've listened to another video where Facebook is deplatforming people who bring up counter evidence. So there's, something's just not right here. You know, the counter evidence and stuff like that is silenced.

There's a censoring going on. I haven't even gotten into that. So there's just a lot of stuff there.

You can check it out. And I'm now researching exemptions, medical and religious exemptions, and I'm finding laws on the books now where basically the government can do whatever it wants. And I haven't completed my research.

There's always more stuff that can change that. But I'm going to tell you, this is just, it is ridiculous being forced to do this. You can't even have a job. Vaccine passports are going to come along, and it's going to be forcing people into compliance.

This is not America anymore. I'm really worried about it. And anyway, I got a lot more research to do. If you have information that you want to send me, all you'll do is send any email information to info at karm.org. Just put COVID info in the subject line and what it is that, you know, a link, for example, a book, a book page, whatever it might be, a video, a timestamp in the video, you know, give me the URL to all the information so I can very quickly go find stuff. Because sometimes people say, hey, here's this eight hour video.

This will help you on COVID. I'm not going to listen to an eight hour video. And so, you know, people need to say, you know, here's this video, here's the link, go to two hours and 13 minutes and start listening, you know, it'll talk about such and such.

That's the kind of stuff I need. So if you're interested, and as a Christian who defends the Christian faith, who has fought against injustice, who tries to defend the weak and the helpless, it's in my bones to resist oppression and to help the weak and those who don't know and want information to get out there. If you want to take the virus, take, I mean, take the vaccine, take it. Okay. That's your choice.

I don't plan to. And because of what I've studied and there's more. And so that's me. We have our rights, right?

Not anymore in a totalitarian thugocracy. Four open lines, 877-207-2276. Jerry from Durham, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. I hit the button. I'm waiting for you. Come on, buddy.

Unless we have a little connection problem. Come on. You can do it. I'm waiting for you. Hello? There we go.

All right. Hello? Hey, you're on the air.

Hello? Yeah. Yeah.

We got a connection problem. Well, we're good now. Okay.

So what do you got? Hello? You got me? Yes.

I'm ready. You hear me? This is, uh, this is Jerry Baker. I have a question. All right. Yeah. I have a question now.

Is the Trinity the truth of the Godhead? Yes. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Maybe he's having more connection problems. Yes. The Trinity is true.

And I'm waiting for him to kind of come back in. Thank you, Matt. Do you have any more questions about it? All right. You want to know more? Okay.

Hello? We'll tell you what, Jerry. We've got a connection problem with you. Why don't you call back and we can have more conversation on that if you want. All right. We have five open lines, folks.

8772072276. Now the Trinity, let me talk to you about, is the Trinity a true doctrine? Yes. If you're listening to me and you think the Trinity is false, well, you're wrong. And, uh, you want to debate me on it? Let's set up a debate. You know, if you're reasonable and you're not just, you know, somebody doesn't know anything. But the idea here is that, uh, you know, if you want to discuss it. Yeah, certainly you can call me up on the air here.

We can have discussions. But the thing is that, uh, the Trinity is one God and one eternal being who is three simultaneous co-eternal distinct persons. We don't know how that works. It's paradoxical, but that's what it is. The ontological Trinity is a teaching that within God, all the members, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all divine. They all share that same divine essence. The economic Trinity is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles. The Father sent the Son. Only the Son became incarnate. The Holy Spirit convicts the world and things like that.

And so there's a difference there. There's also something called perichoresis, which is the teaching that, um, let's see, that the inter-dwelling of the members of the Godhead within each other. And that's an interesting doctrine and teaching. So I've actually been going through and doing a series on it on Patreon on the Trinity in depth.

And I've not done it this week because I'm so busy, but I'll continue it next week. And, um, there's something else I wanted to say. The oneness people, uh, false doctrine.

It's false. What was I going to say? Oh man, you know, I hate that when that happens. Oh, well, a lot of stuff going on. Hey, let's get to Monique from North Carolina.

Monique. Welcome that you are on the air. Thank you.

Um, I just wanted to ask you, yes. Um, for your understanding of the scripture, I'm starting to have the address about, um, when Paul was talking about women, not pastors, preaching, that kind of a thing. Um, does that, do your, does your understanding, um, extend that to any form of teaching and to be clear, like for example, like in Anne Graham Lot. Now I'm not talking about behind the pulpit, in the place of the pastor's father, I think pastor or anything like that. I'm talking about just teaching. In other words, telling the man, you know, with the word.

All right. So, um, the, the admonition that Paul is giving is in the context of the church and first Timothy 2, 12 and 13, he declares very clearly does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet for was Adam who was first created and then Eve. So he's tying it to the created order. That's first Timothy 2, 12 and 13 and first Timothy 3, 15. He's telling us that he's giving instruction on how we're to behave in the household of God, the church. So a woman is not to be in a position of teaching authority over a man in the church context. That's what it is. What about a woman CEO at a corporation?

No problem. Who cares? You know, no, no big deal. So stuff like that. Can they have women bosses? Of course they can have women bosses, but they cannot be in that place of spiritual authority and leadership over men in the church context.

And that's the basics of what it is. So can handle a Graham lot lots. Can she teach on the radio? Well, uh, as long as she's not doing it in a church context. Sure. She can give her advice and things like that, but she's not to be an elder. Right.

Yeah. See, I didn't have any confusion on the elder part or the established part in the church as a this or that, but to get your, your understanding of the extension of that, which is like anywhere, any part. Now, if men are in the audience, they're in the audience kind of a thing, but not setting this woman as a teacher specifically over these men. Right.

And there's always gray areas and this gets a little bit difficult to, to work through all the details. But one of the things that people will do is say, well, she's not a, whoever it is, you know, she, whoever it is, is not a pastor, not an elder, but she can come into the pulpit and give a message. That's coming behind in any time, giving, taking the pastor's lot, faith, whatever, and then doing her work, you know, talking, teaching. Yeah. I'm not even, and I'm, I'm more thinking on the most very, very base level, like technically you're in the store and you're speaking the word and there's men listening.

So who didn't know? And so I guess that's okay. If you're at a grocery store and a conversation kind of gets going and a crowd gathers and you're given the gospel, go for it. You know, if you were doing that and I was watching you, I would just stand on the outside and pick off the hecklers, you know, that's fine.

But in a church context, it's different. Yeah. Okay.

Over here. Yep. Thank you very much. All right. All right. Okay. All right. We'll see you. God bless. All right.

Four open lines. 877-207-2276. Let's get to Jerry, North Carolina. Jerry, is that you again?

Yes, sir. That's me. How you doing, Matt? I'm doing okay. I'm doing all right.

Hanging in there. You mentioned something about debating the Trinity. I'd like to debate that or discuss it with you.

Okay, go ahead. Discuss it. Do you affirm or deny the Trinity? Deny the Trinity. What is the Trinity? What is the Trinity?

Define it. Yeah. I don't know.

I'd have to get you a rendition of it. Would you like to set up a discussion? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Okay. You want to discuss the Trinity, but you don't even know what it is?

I'd like to get you a rendition of it. No, I want you. No, Jerry, I want you to tell me what the Trinity is. There's only one proper definition. So what is it? Oh, okay. My definition of the Trinity is that it's a man-made doctrine, that it doesn't appear that the triune, the Trinity, these things do not appear in Scripture.

You got me cracking up, Jerry. I asked you what it was. Define it, okay?

You're failing to do that. So what is it? The Trinity, I have no idea. I know what they call it, but the definition of the Trinity, I have no idea what it is scriptorially. Well, I think maybe you might want to study it before you say it's not true, because you want to debate me on it? You don't even know what it is? Well, how do I study it if there's no scripture on it?

How do you know there's no scripture on it if you don't know what it is? Okay, hold on, Jerry. We'll be right back after the break, okay?

I've enjoyed this. Please stay tuned. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Okay, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody. So we're going to get back to Jerry here in a little bit. So on CARM, I have what's called the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So I added it to the Slicktionary.

So I'm going to get back to Jerry here in a little bit. So on CARM, I have what's called the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So I added it to the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So on CARM, I have what's called the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So I added it to the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So on CARM, I have what's called the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So I added it to the Slicktionary and he put a Ranticostal. So I'm going to bring up the Trinity as well. And I feel like if you keep Ecclesiastes in mind, I mean, I have no problem with the Trinity, but if you keep Ecclesiastes in mind, then the separation of the three parts would only come from our vanity, our need to break it down into something that we can understand. It's not really a question.

Are you for the Trinity or against the Trinity? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I think...

Yes, what? For or against? Wait, are you for or against the Trinity? No, I'm definitely all for it.

Okay. Can you define the Trinity? Let me just hear you define it.

Let's hear you define it. I would define the Trinity as all of the working parts of God the Father come into one, then divided into three for our understanding. That is not the Trinity at all. No?

No. The Father, Son, Holy Ghost? You didn't say anything. You just said Father, Son, Holy Ghost. You don't know what the Trinity is. Okay. So the Trinity is this.

One God, one being who has eternally existed in three simultaneous and distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Okay? Okay, so if they're simultaneous, then the separation of them would only come from our vanity to break it down into something that we can better understand. Okay, what I would suggest is that you try not to go down that road. I'm just telling you what the Scriptures reveal about God. All right? That's just what it reveals.

What I would suggest you do is go to CARM, look up the Christian doctrine section, Christian theology section, and read the articles on the Trinity. CARM? CARM dot org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. It's my website, and it's not a small website. Okay?

We have several employees in different countries, and here is almost 26 years old with almost 150 million visitors. So it's not just, you know, hey, go to the website. No, check it out. All right? There's a lot of stuff there. Thousands of articles. Okay?

And there's a lot of stuff on doctrine there. Okay. All right, buddy? That's it. Hey, I will do that. CARM dot org.

C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Correct. All right, man. All right, thanks. I'll talk to you later. Okay.

All right. Jason from Texas. Jason, welcome. You're on the air. How you doing, man? I'm having an interesting day. That's how I'm doing.

So what do you got, buddy? Oh, tell me about it. Yeah, I've been following the Lord for quite a while. I kind of ran to a dilemma with a family visiting. My mother is the ELCA pastor.

Oh, that's horrible. Yes, happens to be my direct mother, influenced the whole entire family. And we were talking about salvation, repentance, and she was saying, well, God has different ways of saving people, you know?

And as I met some wonderful Buddhists and Muslims and they're my brothers and sisters in Christ. And then I was saying, you know, Bible says you must confess Jesus as Lord and trust in the sacrifice. And she was saying, well, you can't put God in a box. I was like, oh, that's a tricky question. But also, I wanted to ask what logical fallacy would that also be?

A good logical fallacy name is opening your mouth and talking because it's basically where it is. ELCA, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is about as liberal as you can get. And basically, anybody who goes there, I just assume they're not Christians. I'm not judging them.

It's just that bad. Now, that doesn't mean there can't be Christians in the group. No, it's good Christians in that group, but for the most part, you know, like the United Methodist and United Presbyterian and United Apostolic. You just assume that we're not Christians and you work from that perspective and you see where they are. So she says she's a pastor. She's violating the word of God. Of course, she won't believe the word of God because she doesn't believe the word of God. So she's probably not saved. I'm almost guaranteed she's not a Christian. She's just an opposer who couldn't fight her way or argue her way theologically out of what paper heresy. All right, so she's your mom.

What are you going to do? Well, you've got to show her that respect. You've got to be nice and all that. But what you can do is you're going to ask her to validate what her assertions are. So if she says Jesus is only one of the many ways, you say, well, why do you say that?

And she'll say, well, because there are good people everywhere. Well, what's good people have to do with Jesus being the only way or not the only way? And you say, are you saying that you get to him by being good?

Yeah. Well, then why did Jesus have to come and die? If we're good, if we can get there by being good, why do you have to come and die?

Couldn't we do it by being good? Now, you see, what you're doing, you're asking difficult questions. And then what she's going to do is tell you to go to your room or something. All right?

And what you've got to do here is you've got to ask the questions. And it might be necessary at some point later on to say, mom, you're not saved. You're not a Christian.

You're preaching a false gospel and helping people go to hell. And not saying that. Don't start off with that one. That's not a generally good start off point. But sometimes after a while, it's necessary to say something like that.

And so to speak, brush the dust from your feet as you walk on. Not saying again. I want you to do that, but I'm just saying this is the far end of the conversations.

And sometimes a family member who does that, you know, if you do it for the purpose of trying to win her by convicting her, then that's okay. Here's another little something to think about. I know I'm giving you a lot of stuff.

But think about things in this term, and it'll help you a great deal. What's the ultimate standard that she's working from? Everybody's listening. You have an argument with somebody, a little debate with somebody, whatever it is.

What's their ultimate standard? You want to find out what that is. And what you do is you just start asking the questions.

Why do you say that? Because that's what you're doing. You want their ultimate standard. You want to find out if the ultimate standard is the Bible. Or if it's their feelings or whatever it is. And everything outside the Bible, you just have to keep asking, well, how do you know that's true?

And if it is the Bible, then the next problem is how do you know it's interpreted right? And then I can talk to you about that. Those are the basics you've got to deal with her. And pray for her, of course. Oh, yeah. There's so many broad subjects, but that does simplify it.

So you know exactly what the root is. Hold on. We've got to break.

We've got to break. Hold on. Okay.

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877-207-2276. Be right back. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. All right.

We have, let's see. One open line. 877-207-2276. All right. Let's get back to Jason from Dallas. Hey, Jason. Welcome. Hey. Yes. Well, that's good.

Probing questions is a wise way to filter out and get to the chase about whichever of the broad topics to cover. She bases truth off of motion, but we forget there's a devil that is deceiving all these different religious systems. But she probably doesn't even believe that chunk of the Bible as well. Right.

But what's the likelihood? Is it harder to convince the religious people that do claim that they're Christian, but you know, they speak a lot of these half-truths, you know? Yeah. Well- Because it makes it harder to get through to them.

Yeah. There's a lot of problems. When people are in religious groups and facts aren't the primary, the word of God's not the primary, but some other work like, you know, Book of Mormon or the Watchtower Magazine or the church's authority, whatever it is, then it's very difficult to get them out.

There has to be, usually what it is, is a trauma that brings them out of some sort, you know, where they experience a real injustice at the hands of the church or a group that brings them out, or they discover, they start doing research and start discovering facts, the facts that absolutely discredit the religious system. And this process takes about two years that I've seen for people to come out. And so on a normal basis, and then get, you know, that's just average. And you know, sometimes it happens very quickly and sometimes it doesn't. You know?

It's just what it is. So the problem is that you really have to be praying for your mom, okay? Because it's a spiritual battle. And she's, I'm going to assume from what she says, she denies Jesus Christ is the only way. She's a woman pastor and she's not believing the word of God.

And one of the things you've got to do is ask her exactly how are your sins forgiven and see what she says. I think these are important topics and that's what I would do. I would do that. Okay. So.

How are you? Thanks for giving. Yeah. Do you, is this a book you'd recommend for her about the inerrancy? Do you know that book with Bart Ehrman and Daniel B. Wallace about over the inerrancy of the word of God? Yeah.

Stay away from from Bart Ehrman. Okay. But there is a book, let me see, there's a book, hold on, let me find the title. And it's, I'm opening up a file, let's see, I went on the canon of scripture and oh, where is it? Trying to find the name of the book. I've got so many books and so many things I've done that I'm trying to look for the source of it. It's a good book and I can't find it. Let's see. No, that's not it either.

Boy. Anyway, I'll keep looking for it and maybe I'll mention it later on the show. But there's a, I'm surprised, usually in my notes I have the book reference right there. So I have a lot of stuff.

Let's see. I have a lot of books on, okay, let's see. The canon, okay, here we go.

It's a, the cover is the canons and, oh no, that's not it, man, I don't, okay, I can't find it. There are good books, but I'm just not, I don't like Bart Ehrman. There's some issues there and you've got to be careful.

So yeah. If he is opposing Bart Ehrman, is that a good thing if it's a book where there's another, you know, scholar that is for, you know, conservative, challenging Bart Ehrman in the heresy of scripture? He's good in a lot of stuff, but he, let's just say I don't recommend him, okay, and I did find the book. I found the book. The Canon Revisited, Canon Revisited by Kruger, K-R-U-G-E-R.

It goes through what is it, its inspiration, self-authentication. It's not a huge book, but you know, it's worth going through. And that's just one of them.

And I know that there's a lot of books. I can't remember. Daniel.

No, no, that's okay. Daniel Wallace, boy, that rings a bell, I wonder if I debated him. I think I might have debated him on charismatic gifts. Let's see, Daniel, I can't remember. I'm so bad with names and I don't even remember my wife's name. I have a picture of her over with her face with her name underneath it.

No, it's not that, Daniel B. Wallace, not the guy that I was thinking of. So I don't know. Let me look, because I've got a buddy, Charlie, and he's in the chat room. He often knows books and titles that I don't, and he'll recommend certain things in there.

He kind of helps out. So one of the things you can do is email info at karme.org and say, hey, what are some good books on the reliability of the scriptures and things like that? And you'll find stuff. Okay?

Good. And do you think so, if she were to take these books, it would probably be a two-year process. But yeah, she'll probably need some dissatisfaction to want to get out of that mess. She used to go to a nice church, we went to a Baptist church and had some good things in common. And it's really sad, you know, I wish I could talk about the word like I used to, but two years of seminary got her, really changed her political stances. What seminary did she go to? What seminary did she go to? It has to be a bad one. Because not all seminaries are bad, a lot of them are very good, it's just that there are some bad ones out there too. So that's why it's curious.

Yeah, I have a brother-in-law thing, got to be careful, some are very liberal, some are very liberal. But she didn't have a thick foundation in the beginning, so it just threw her head faster like the wind. In that case... It was Trinity Lutheran Seminary was the school. Okay. Yeah. I don't know about that one in particular, but sometimes I do, Trinity Lutheran School.

But if they produced, you know, yeah, I can check it out. But one of the things I would do with her in her conversations is ask, you want to seek the ultimate authority that she has. And think about this, the ultimate authority either rests in God or does not rest in God.

The ultimate authority of God is revealed in scripture. And if she goes with any other authority as the ultimate authority, then it's all subjective. Because she will have to then go with her own expressions, her own feelings, and that's called subjectivity. You can't trust one's old subjectivity because you don't know if your experience and your preferences and your opinions are correct, because they're just internal.

And so subjectivity kind of refutes itself. It's not a standard for truth. And so there has to be an objective standard of truth, truth that resides in God. You might be able to start with her and say, do you affirm, I do affirm and deny statements, do you believe or would you agree with the idea that all truth rests in the mind of God? And if she says yes, then you've got something to work with. Then anything consistent with his mind is true.

Whatever's inconsistent is not true, correct? She has to say yes. Is Jesus God? The Bible says yes. He says he's the only way. Therefore, what do you do with that, mom?

Okay. Didn't he say, unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins? Yeah, John 8 24. Unless you believe that I am, you'll die in your sins. That's right. So if she denies he's God in flesh, then absolutely she's not a Christian. She's lost and under judgment. And it's a, yeah. Okay. You know, there's something fascinating when I was researching.

I don't think I'm prepared yet, but I think you're helping me ask her the right questions. They have their own 10 commandments. That is half truth that are anti-biblical, you know, and Jesus should be a standard. By Kruger, the author you mentioned, let me see if I can pull this out here. It's the 10 Commandments of Progressive Christianity, and I can just read them by, they're listed by the chapter. What does it say here? Wow. I'm looking at it. Okay. Wow. We have our 10 Commandments, which is a reflection of his holy law.

We all fall embarrassingly short, but they have their own 10. The first one, Jesus is a model of living more than an object of worship. And then their favorite one is the fifth one, inviting questions is more valuable than supplying answers. And uncertainty is, I think, very manipulative, saying you can't know something when there is evidence out there. And also, it's intellectual dishonor if you know something and say that you don't know something. Right. Well, tell you what.

It's more of a worldly view of humility. I tell you what, if you send me that information, I can check that out, because I can write a response to that. Because obviously, it's really bad. Michael Kruger is the last name. Let me see the book I was looking at before the break here. Michael J. Kruger is probably a work against it. Okay.

I'm sure that's what it is. Okay. Hey, you got to go. All right. I'll talk to you later, Jason. Okay. Hey, folks. We'll be right back here after these messages. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. All right.

Look at this stuff. Let's get to Berkeley from Winston, Salem, North Carolina. Berkeley, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. Thank you for taking my call. I really appreciate it. No problem. Quick question.

It might sound, I don't know. I hope it doesn't sound like a stupid question, but is church membership, is it what I would give as well, is it biblical to be a member of a church? Nothing in scripture teaches that you have to belong to a church through an official signing process and class process that you go through, and then you're an official member of the church. It's not in scripture. Okay. So, do you, I mean, is it something you would agree with?

I mean, I've always been kind of mixed about it for a couple of different reasons. Well, here's the thing. A church has the right to propose certain covenant requirements. And this is what a church membership would be. Covenant requirements.

Covenant is biblical, and the covenant sign would be a document that you sign, and that was basically what it would be on record. There are advantages to it. One of the advantages is you sign a document saying, for example, you will submit to the leadership of the eldership in marriage and whatever it is, and let's say you have a marriage problem in two years, and then you say, I'm not going to listen to you guys. I'm going to sue you guys for what you said.

You can't sue them because you've agreed to submit. So there's things like that that are good in that sense. They can always be abused, but a lot of things can be. So there's some good protections, particularly in our litigious society now.

And so there's some advantages to it, but it's not a biblically ordained mandate. Okay. Okay. Good deal.

I do appreciate it. Okay. All right. Sounds good, buddy. Okay.

Yes, sir. Thank you so much. All right. You're welcome. All right.

God bless. All right. Let's get to Jerry again. I'm starting to laugh already, but he's gone.

I don't know what happened to Jerry on Trinity. All right. Let's get to Mariah from Arizona. Mariah, welcome. You're on the air. Hi Matt. How are you? I'm all right. Having a good day.

I've been listening to your videos for a while, and first I just want to say it's very nice to informally meet you. I was listening to what you said earlier concerning the vaccine, and I am in full agreement with you. I won't be taking the vaccine either after doing my own research, but my question is how should we respond to others who use Romans chapter 13 to kind of coax believers into taking the vaccine against their will? We have the right of self-defense and the defense of others, and if you believe that the vaccine is harmful to you on your own body, potentially harmful, then you're exercising the right of self-defense, and we have that right of self-defense according to scripture. Okay?

Okay. Yeah, they use these verses to insinuate that we're supposed to submit to the government as long as whatever the government is requiring is aligned with the word of God, and because there are no verses that prohibit the vaccine, we're supposed to just obey regardless of our personal reservations, which, yeah, it's twisted, but... Well, like I said, we have the right of self-defense. In fact, in about an hour, I'll be on Andrew Rapaport's show, Apologetics Live, and he and I and another guy are going to have a discussion on self-defense, and we have the right of self-defense and relationship to government, things like that. So my Bible says it's going to be a half hour late.

I'll be starting at 10 p.m. Eastern time, which is late for the people on the East Coast, at any rate. Oh, that was where at? Apologetics Live? Apologetics Live. Yeah, just go to apologeticslive.com, and so we'll be discussing this, and I'm sure that this topic will come up as well, because I don't want to take the virus, I mean the virus, I don't want to take the vaccine, and the main reason is I don't trust it as a safety measure. Yeah. I just don't, and I've already had COVID, and my natural immunity is 13 times stronger than the vaccines. So there's not been a long-term study, and it was rushed through, so I don't trust it.

It's not me being anti-vaxxed, I have vaccines, I'm for them, it's just that I don't trust it, and there's too many accounts of people having negative effects, and then what really scares me is the government or Google and Twitter and Facebook, they censor people who have counter-documentation. Exactly. Exactly. You just can't trust, so now, well why, what are they hiding, and that's what scares me, and so I don't want to take it because I don't trust it, and my wife, I don't want her to take it at all. She has severe compromised areas of health, and she does, and there's no way I'd want her to take it.

Of course. What's that? What's that, and it seems to attack those who have pre-existing conditions and vulnerable people. Yeah, my wife. It's very sketchy.

My wife has, she's had open heart surgery, she's had gallbladder surgery, she's got arthritis, she's got allergy to wheat, she's got stupidness husbandus, she's got all kinds of stuff, so. Right. Well, thank you, Matt, for answering the question. I'll be tuning into the apologetics live tonight. Okay. So if you go to CARM, and you just type in CARM.org forward slash COVID, it'll go to the main page, and I've listed some articles there on stuff, and one of them is an outline which I released today, and I think it's worth checking out because I'm expanding that outline, I'm writing some articles, and there's a lot of stuff I haven't even released yet, I've been working on and researching.

So the COVID outline information I'm collecting, and anybody out there who has information documented information on the benefits as well as the risks of COVID and the bad effects, I want the documentation. And you know what's really scary? Did you know that in Australia, which is becoming a penal colony again, Australia, it's forced 24,000 young people to get vaccinated and three died right there in the stadium. Oh, wow.

And the parents weren't allowed to come in. This is our willian. It's incredible. It's Brave New World, you know, 1984. Yes. Wow, bad news. They're also requiring children to get vaccinated in Australia, which is very ironic because children, they don't die. Exactly. And there's something called immunity debt. And this is a real problem, potential problem for a future pandemic. Immunity debt is when you have taken so many measures for a long period of time against, say COVID, that you're also not exposed to other pathogens. And so now your system, your body is not as prepared for future ones that will come through that are stronger. And there's articles written on it and the mathematical models have been working on it. And they're afraid that this will lead to another pandemic just because they're preventing people from being properly exposed to the normal stuff that comes through society.

And here's the thing. Did you know that COVID basically, I think it's 99.998% safety for children, 99.998. And the flu, I haven't done the research on the flu for the children. The flu is far more disastrous to youth than COVID is. They're forcing the children to wear masks, but why is it they didn't, you know, when the flu was here? It doesn't make sense. It also, it doesn't, it also doesn't make sense to take the vaccine if you can still catch COVID.

It makes no sense. That's right. And that's more research I got to do. I need documentation for all of this, but you know, I know that it happens.

People tell me, but I have to have the article, the CDC, the website, the medical, whatever it is that documents it. It's very difficult to find this stuff because there, I believe there's a censoring movement going on. I've actually gone through some of the stuff in the past few weeks and found out that it's been altered.

Some of the articles now, what I'm doing is copying the original articles and storing them. Oh wow. Oh yeah.

If you get on the CDC website, it's, you have to go to the VA website and you have to actually file a report, which is nonsensical, but if you do that, you can see the death rate after getting the vaccine. And it's very common amongst the elderly and just like I said, vulnerable populations who are already sick. It's kind of like, and this is, I may be, you know, overstepping boundaries by saying this, but it's almost like a depopulation plan and I don't like saying that because I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but it's almost as if they're trying to get rid of the unnecessary, according to them, not thinking of the unnecessary, you know, people who are not, according to them, contributing to our society. Right. Well that's what Planned Parenthood was for.

It was initially, yes, it was initially started to get rid of minorities, particularly the blacks. Yes. Yes. Wow. And the Democrats support Planned Parenthood, killing the unborn. Our society is in such bad shape. Yes.

It is in bad shape. And black people actually support the literal party when the literal party is actually targeting them. Oh yeah. It's brainwashing. It's very dangerous. It's brainwashing. And you know, I've done research for so many years, I'm kind of immune to getting brainwashed, kind of.

And my wife tells me, whatever my wife says, I believe though, because I have to, you know, that's how that works. Okay. All right. All right. Well, thank you, Matt.

I'll be tuning in later. Okay. God bless. All right.

God bless you. Bye. Okay.

All right. Let's get to Vern from Idaho. Hey, Vern, we've got a couple of minutes. What's up, buddy? Hey, church. How you doing, Matt? Doing all right. Hanging in there.

What do you got? The church, Shepherd's Chapel. Do they teach truth? No. Stay away from them. Okay. I have stuff on CARM on Shepherd's Chapel. I had a formal request for debate on their head person, and they never responded. People knew. They deny a lot of stuff, let's just say.

So what I would suggest that you do is go to CARM and look up Shepherd's Chapel, and you'll see the documentation from their own sources. All right. I do not recommend them at all.

I recommend people stay away from them. Hey, quick joke for you. What do you call a deer with no eyes? A deer with no eyes? I don't know. What?

No eye-deer. That's horrible. Okay. Okay. I like dad jokes.

Those are great dad jokes. All right, buddy. God bless. All right. Hey, folks. So tonight, in about an hour, I will be on Apologetics Live. We're going to have a discussion on the extent that we can undergo self-defense, what levels of time we're going to have an expert on. I'm not an expert. We're going to have an expert on there discussing.

I've written some articles on it, information on it, and I think it'll be a good discussion. We're supposed to go on for a couple of hours, and afterwards, I'm supposed to teach a Bible study on Greek, on New Testament Greek. So maybe we'll do that.

I might cancel it. I don't know. This depends, because it'll be late. All right. Hey, folks. God bless you. We're about out of time here, and by His grace, we'll be back on there tomorrow, Friday. I hope you all have a good time, and may the Lord bless you greatly. Okay. We'll talk to you later. God bless. We'll see you next time.