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And if you are interested, just contact us at prayer at karm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. That's all you got to do. And let's see, what else? Yeah, so I've done a lot of stuff and done a lot of stuff on some new projects. There's so many things. And I could talk about, you know what, I got to whine. I got to complain about something.

This is driving me crazy. You know, I am 64 and I realize that I'm going to be slowing down, but there's so much to do. And I just don't have the energy anymore. I can't concentrate as well as I used to, uh, what else can I whine about?

Uh, it just drives me crazy. Um, you know, what I was thinking about today was Jack LaLanne and now some of you know who he is and some of you won't, but I saw that guy, um, when he was in his nineties, I couldn't believe he could, man, he was so full of energy and, uh, he popped in my mind. And, and so I'm going to look into what he did because I know this at his 65th birthday, his 65th birthday, this is true.

This is not made up. This guy, Jack LaLanne is a health guy back in the fifties, sixties, seventies. He, um, he swam from Alcatraz Island to shore 65 years old, swam from Alcatraz Island.

That's in the San Francisco Bay, you know, the prison used to be there. He swam from there to shore with his hands handcuffed and his feet shackled. And he pulled, uh, a hundred people in rowboats and had a real thing in his mouth as he dog paddled and he brought them all to shore. And then he did a thousand pushups. The guy was incredible. You can look it up.

He's my hero. And boy, I'll tell you, I got to figure out what to do, man. Some of you out there know what to do, how to, how to, how to lose weight, get energy, you know, Oh man, Oh, I got so much to do. I got books to write. I got videos. I got over, I have about two to 300 videos on one minute videos. I'm supposed to produce.

You can imagine how much that is. Uh, you know, when I wind a little bit, my voice goes up. So there you go. All right.

Well, wining is biblical, you know, take a little wine for your stomach as the Bible says. So, all right. Hey folks, we have a, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Let's get back to Marty from Virginia. Marty, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, just to recap, we were talking last night, uh, at the end and you told me to give you a call and uh, I was the one that, uh, mentioned, uh, that you, you were talking very nicely last week, mother's day and others having carrot miscarriages, whether, whether or not they were mothers and that they were, and I, I talked about the abortion that I paid for 40 years ago and wanted to know how to feel about that in kind of that light. And you, you, you were getting ready to say something and then your show ended.

So that's where it was left off. Is that, is that enough information? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, yeah. So, you know, I want to address this to people who are listening for the moment. Um, I know that there are a lot of women out there who've, uh, had abortions and a lot of men who've been involved with that as well.

Um, let me just say that I can relate and, um, I've written about it on my website. There's a testimony there and when I meet people, uh, who have had that and I can see in their eyes, I can see the pain that from the remembering, um, my heart goes out to them, uh, compassion, uh, increases, and I know that the Lord's compassion increases too. Uh, I know that he bore our sin in his body on the cross, first Peter two 24, and that we can find forgiveness and rest and peace in what Jesus, God in flesh did on that cross, where this divine, infinitely valuable blood washed away our sins. And, and I take comfort in knowing that God loved me and chose me for salvation, knowing all of my sins, some of them incredibly bad. And so his forgiveness is there, and though guilt is a natural and proper response to such a thing, uh, so is a rest in Christ when we learn that his love and his forgiveness is greater than our sin and that we can find hope and peace in what he has, just as the woman caught in adultery was about to be stoned and adultery's, uh, was about to be an adulteries, horrible sin, Jesus forgave and said, go and sin no more.

And those are the words for us. And we need to be better husbands, better fathers, better, uh, citizens, better Christians, as we look to Christ through all of it and remember that, uh, Christ, as I sometimes imagine, I do, I still don't imagine this, this, uh, this pole, this, this wood stake in the ground and above it as a cross beam. And this, this, uh, this cross is splintery-ish wood. And there's a person on that cross who I don't want to look up to because I'm not even worthy to raise my eyes. And sometimes I visualize that blood mixing with the dirt and the muck and my face is down there to the ground, uh, thanking my Lord for his great love and forgiveness. And if I look to my left and my right, I will see others like me who also are around that cross resting in the forgiveness and weeping for our sin and yet thankful for the great sacrifice of Christ.

And that's what I do. And I realize, and I accept that Christ has loved me, knowing everything about me and has chosen to forgive, and I need a rest in that forgiveness and move forward, um, having counted my sins as dung and move forward, aiming to glorify my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and what I have loved to do. And so I take my eyes off of my own sin, so to speak, and put them on that person of Christ and trust him and know that I'm forgiven and move forward. And that's what we need to do, all of us, because all of us who were guilty in that area, uh, can look to our left and right at the foot of the cross and see others, so many others like us, who are also forgiven. Who are also forgiven. Okay. One last thing. Do you suppose, uh, or is it biblical that I might meet that child in heaven and maybe raise that child in heaven or is there any, yeah, I expect to see, um, my lost child, my, uh, birth defect child, miscarry child and other child in heaven.

Um, that's what I expect. And so I would hope that for you too, you know, I have a, I wrote a book called The Influence and, uh, it's been out for years and the main character, uh, wants to commit suicide because his son died in crib death and he's, he's an unbeliever and he's really had all kinds of problems or demonic this's and that's going on. And at the end, and his wife, uh, before she met him, had an abortion.

Had an abortion and there's a scene where in heaven, because he, he ends up there temporarily and it makes sense in the plot and he meets them, he meets them and the forgiveness and the joy that is there in the presence of goodness and perfection and love that permeates that area because it's the dwelling place of God and I've had people tell me that when they've read that they've, they've cried and I remember crying when I wrote it, but, uh, people have more than one, I have just said, yeah, men and women that they've, they've cried over it whenever they've read. So, all right. Well, thank you, Matt, very much. Okay, Marty, just look to Christ, let it go. And yeah, I will.

And I do and ask him to use you. All right. Okay.

Absolutely. Thank you, sir. All right, brother. God bless. Bye. Bye.

All right. If you want to give me a call, we have a open lines. Give me a call.

877-207-2276. Let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air. Yes.

Good evening, Matt. Yeah, I got a question, uh, um, about double predestination, you know, like the, that God's heart and Pharaoh's heart, or what's it, or what's that Pharaoh's heart already heartened and God just let him hang himself, give him enough rope to hang himself later on. Um, no, God actually hardened his heart.

Uh, a lot of people, what they, what they want is, um, they want God to want God, they want God to be the blonde haired, blue eyed, Caucasian surfer dude, dressed in a woman's night count, et cetera, et cetera. You know, and that he's so nice, uh, that he's not going to do anything like, like that and Romans nine is the area that we need to go to along with Proverbs, uh, 14, six, and I'll read Proverbs 14, six. I'll take a look at Romans nine. Uh, actually it's 16, four, not 14, six. Um, and what it says in Proverbs 16, four is, uh, kind of enlightening. It says the Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil.

This is what it says in Proverbs 16, four. Now you're making noise in the background, everybody. There's noise. Okay. Are you there? Okay. Yeah.

I'm here. Yeah. Okay.

Um, and so, uh, yeah, I should tell you, see, I'm autistic and sounds like that, throw me off, everybody call me up, don't be, don't be cackling and things like that because this is what it is. So, uh, um, now I forgot my train of thought. Okay. Romans chapter nine. So when we talk about this issue of Romans chapter nine, um, it says for this, uh, scripture says to Pharaoh, for this purpose, I raised you up to demonstrate my power in you, that my name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth so that he has mercy on him.

He desires, he hardens whom he desires. Now this is part of the thing we're going to get to in verses 22 and 23. So I think the break will continue.

Okay. Hey folks, please stay tuned. And we have several open lines. Give me a call. 877-207-2276. Be right back it's Matt slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt slick. Everybody looking back to the show. Um, Albert, Alberto, are you still there?

Hello? Yes. You're still there. Okay, so he's going to finish up. So the double procrastination is, is so, so basically your God allows people to have their way, but although they're evil in him, basically, let me, let me finish and let them have their way so it's not like Alberto, Alberto, Alberto, let me, Alberto, let me finish the scriptures. Okay. And see what the word says, and then we can go with what the word says.

Okay. So this is what it says that he raised you up to the point that you're what it says that he raised up Pharaoh. And he says, so then this is Romans nine 18. So then he has mercy on whom he desires and he hardens whom he desires. It doesn't say he strengthens their wickedness.

He hardens them. Now this is something that is surprising to a lot of people. And so some people, what they'll do is they'll interpret this set of scriptures to mean it's groups of people. And that's ludicrous. It's just, it's ludicrous.

I would debate anybody on that one publicly. So it goes on, it says, you will then say to me, why does he still find fault for who resists his will if the only way this question makes sense is if what he's teaching, okay, I'm going to put you on hold while you're making noises. All right. This only way this makes sense is to understand that there's an objection. He has mercy on whom he desires. He hardens whom he desires.

Well, if that's really what's happened to individuals and you can say, well, then why does he still find fault? Well, that's exactly the question that is raised by Paul. And then he goes on to verse 20, on the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God, the thing molded will not save the molder.

Why did you make me like this? Will it? Or does the potter, does not the potter have a right over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience, vessels of wrath, prepared for the destruction, and he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory. So the issue here, what is Romans nine saying? Is it saying that God prepares people for destruction? And the answer is yes.

That's the strong implication of double predestination, right? Alberto, did you hear that? Okay. I heard that. Okay.

That seems to be the text teachers. Okay. Yeah, because I watched a video on the internet that, uh, that, that said, uh, that God allows the person have their ways so that evil is already in them. So basically God doesn't handle their own. He does that too. He does that too. They're not exclusive or they don't exclude each other, but that's what he does. He allows people to do what they're naturally going to do. He uses it, but he also has the ability to raise them up for what he desires. He doesn't have the ability to raise them up for what he desires.

He makes the wicked evil for the day of evil and he, uh, makes one from the same lump, one vessel for honorable use, another one for dishonorable use. That's what it says. So we have to deal with what it says. I understand. All right.

Okay. Thank you. God bless you, sir. You too, Alberto. God bless. Bye.

All right. Let's get to June from Buford, Georgia. Hey June. Welcome. You're on the air. How are you? I'm fine. Thank you.

How are you? Good. Uh, what I'm asking is I am asking, uh, that I'm reading Genesis now and it talks of Adam and Eve and of course Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel, which made four people on the earth, uh, Cain healed Abel, and then in the first, it says, um, that came left and lived in the land of not, and then the very next line, I'm reading it says, Cain lived, loved his wife and slept with her. And I thought there was only four people, uh, on the earth at that time.

And I wonder how it came about and different people and different colors and different origin, um, it says, uh, in Genesis five, four to the days of Adam, after he became the father of Seth were 800 years and he had other sons and daughters. So we know that, that they had her children. So the general response to this is that Cain and Abel weren't said to be their only sons. Nothing in the scripture says that was their only child's children.

And that's it. It just says, and Cain and Abel, they had relations and they conceived and gave birth to Cain, verse four, uh, chapter four, verse one, and it gave birth to another son, Abel. I guess I'm asking if they came later, cause she can't had Cain and Abel, he killed him. And the only thing it mentions is that he leaves and goes to nod and Mary, he loved his wife.

It went straight to that. And then later it says that they had more children. So where did his wife come from is what I'm trying to understand. Adam and Eve obviously logically had to have other children before Cain and Abel. It doesn't say that Cain and Abel are their first children or their only children.

Okay. So that's the point. Now the man had relations with his wife Eve. It doesn't mean that was the first time they had relations and conceived. So what we see here in Genesis are the extractions of individuals brought out by Moses in order to emphasize certain parts of theology and history for understanding. And furthermore, Adam and Eve would have had to have children and they would have had to marry each other and had relations and produced children. And it wasn't until later that God said incest is no longer allowed. And this, I believe it's because the genetic line was so pure from the beginning that it wasn't a problem. And later on, nope, no more of this. Okay.

For the degradation. So much love by God, but yet him and Sarah could not get pregnant and she asked him to sleep with the concubine, which he slept with and had a child. And then it sounded like me that it just kept going. I mean, until Sarah finally had a child. And I know that that's the sin to sleep with other people. But back then, I guess that was done.

Yes, it was. So, um, okay. God often works within the culture, even if the culture is wrong. To accomplish his will. So he allows people to murder, to lie, to steal.

He allows it. And he told Abraham that he was going to bless him. And Abraham then took it upon himself to intervene. And so Sarah, uh, was without child. And that was a shame to women back then.

A shame. Um, furthermore, uh, concubines were semi-married is the, uh, an interesting way to put it. They were for that purpose. And the idea of, of a man's seed was placed in a woman. It was the same concept to them of a seed for a plant put in ground. You could put it anywhere. It doesn't matter the ground.

It matters the seed. Which this is why Sarah could say, well, I, I'll have a child through, um, uh, oh, I forgot her name. I've said it a thousand times over the years. I know. And I went to see it too. Oh, I can't believe it, Sarah. Oh man.

I've said it so many times over the radio too. Anyway, you know, your brain skipped a beat. So, uh, he went into her and had a child and that child became Sarah's because it's the husband's seed. So therefore it was, that's all they thought.

And so then that's the, uh, the Ishmael became the people, wild donkey. Hagar. Okay. All right. Okay. And we're going to break, we're going to break.

Can you hold these hold on? Okay. June, we'll be right back after these messages. One open line folks, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Ryan, welcome back everyone. Let's get back on the, on the air here with June. Hey June, welcome back. Yeah, thank you.

And I have one short one. I know God doesn't make any mistakes when he forms you in your mother's womb. But there is some people that once they come out and they're dressed like boys or they're dressed like girls, they do not feel in their heart sincerely that they're those people.

And I know he doesn't make any mistakes, but some people just choose to be that way. But there are some people that really felt like since day one, that they didn't feel right in the clothes that they were wearing. Like if it was a boy, they didn't like, they knew they weren't supposed to be wearing those boys clothes. They felt better in a girl's clothes.

And I'm wondering as they grow up and they feel more like that, is there something there genetic that maybe didn't work out just right? And then I had somebody that asked me not to go, well, if he forms it in the mother's womb, then it must be perfect. But yet some of them come out another way. And this has been going on for centuries. This wasn't possible.

Okay. So Adam represented mankind. So when he fell, we fell in him, Romans 5 19. But creation also fell. So we have famine, we have earthquakes, we have plagues, we have diseases in the world because he represented the world. He represented mankind.

He was given that authority. In that fall is an effect upon our physical forms. So for example, I'm born with what's been diagnosed with Asperger's.

My wife was born with something called Louis Dietz, a very rare connective tissue disorder, and it's pretty severe. And so can there be mental brain alterations or effects of sin in the world? Yes. Can people be born with a tendency to be attracted to homosexuality? I believe so. I believe they can be born that way because of a wiring problem, something that's wrong in their wiring, just like someone could be born with no hands, no feet, people born blind.

And so this, I think, is possible. Now, the thing then becomes, well, if that's how I was born, then that's what's right. And that's just out of the fortune cookie. It's fortune cookie morality. I was born this way, so it's okay. Well, what if a person is born to be a liar with a tendency to lie?

Is that naked okay? Of course not. A tendency to want to steal, does that make it okay? Of course not. So if you're born that way doesn't excuse you from doing what is right before God.

I have certain tendencies that are unbiblical, and I've been fighting certain tendencies my whole life, and I'm going to continue to until the resurrection. But it doesn't mean, well, I'm just naturally this way, so it's okay. That's not it.

So that excuse doesn't carry any weight. Okay. Okay. Okay. You've been very helpful, and I've been going really fast writing everything down. I appreciate it.

You're really good. Oh, my God's grace. I don't get you here in Georgia, but my brother gets you in North Carolina, and he gave me your phone number. Because we both read the Bible, and he said, I can't answer those questions.

You need to call and ask him. Well, praise God. Anyway, let me ask you. Jude, have you been to my website, CARM.org? C-A-R-M? How are you spelling that? CARM? CARM.

C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. I've been working on that website for 25 years, all right? And I've written literally thousands of articles. Okay. So you can go there and check it out. We have staff help, and a guy in Salt Lake City, Luke Wayne, a great guy. We have people in South America, people in Europe. So we're trying to reach out and give as many answers as possible that are very biblically centered.

Some websites don't do that so much. Yeah, yeah. We try to make it very good. You've been very helpful. Thank you so much.

You're welcome so much. God bless. Okay. God bless.

All right. Let's go to the phones with James from Illinois. James, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. How are you? I'm fine. I'm fine. Thank you.

How are you? I had a technical question concerning the nature of Christ. Okay. Was Christ always God the Son or the Son of God? I'm not able to make it real clear, but... Define Christ.

What? You mean Jesus, the person of Jesus? I mean the Christ God. Okay. Christ simply means Deliverer, Messiah, Anointed One.

Okay. So let me lay it out here. The Trinity is eternal. God has always existed as a Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit always existed that way. And the second person of the Trinity, we call the Son, but it's also known as the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

That's John 1, 1 and verse 14. That dwelling of flesh among us, that instance, that incarnation began 2,000 years ago. So the second person of the Trinity is eternal. The humanity part of Jesus is not eternal in that it was not always in existence.

It became real when it was at the inception. And so that union of the eternally old divine nature of the Word, that union occurred with the human nature, that union occurred 2,000 years ago. That union is who Jesus is. And so Jesus had that beginning 2,000 years ago, but the divine nature did not.

The human nature did. So we're talking about the union of Christ. That union is called the hypostatic union in the one person or two distinct natures.

That combo, that union occurred 2,000 years ago. Does that help? Yes, sir. You know, sometimes I feel like looking at the man, Jesus Christ, the divine overshadowed human.

You know what I mean? Well, what I would say is that, let me just say this. There's a doctrine called the communicatio idiomatum, the communication of the properties. So each nature, the divine nature and the human nature, has a set of properties.

And both of those sets of properties were ascribed to the single person. So Jesus would say, I'm thirsty. That's human nature. Jesus said, I'll be with you always, even at the end of the Earth. That's the divine nature. So he says, I am thirsty.

I will be with you always. So the same person claimed and acknowledged those attributes of humanity and divinity for himself. This is called the communication of the properties. They're communicated to the person.

Yes. So this is really important because as soon as those properties are removed, either way, you don't have the person of Christ. And so some people will say that Jesus, the properties of his divinity were limited or he didn't have them because he became a man. Well, then that would violate the doctrine of the hypostatic union and the communicatio idiomatum in the incarnation.

And so we can't say that Jesus' divine attributes did not exist in his incarnation because the attributes reflect the nature. So a bowling ball has a spherical shape. It has mass. It has a certain smoothness to its surface.

It has three holes in it. So by necessity, something that exists that has certain characteristics because that's what it is. So because God is divine, there's certain characteristics of what he has because that's what divinity is. And Jesus is divine, so he has to have those attributes.

And we don't know how those attributes worked in combination with each other in the single person. And so in some of the attempts in history to answer some of these issues, there's been Sosinianism, there's been Nestorianism, Eutychianism, Monophysitism, varying heresies, varying false teachings. And the correct teaching is the hypostatic union, which I would recommend that people go to CARM and look up hypostatic union.

You need to learn about it. Well, Matt, there's another teaching I was worried about. It's the teaching that Jesus became the Christ at his baptism. Yeah, adoptionism is one of the things that's a heresy. Okay, absolute heresy, false teaching. Okay.

Okay. So he did not become the Christ at his baptism. He always was. He was always, for example, he was always the son in relationship to the father. The word was always the son in relationship to the father eternally. Now, I'll go slowly on this so people can understand this. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there's one God in three simultaneous eternal persons.

They are always existing that way. We'll get back to the break. I'll start this over.

I just said and explain what that is and why it relates to him becoming the Christ and why that's a problem. Okay, so please stay tuned. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. All right, James, are you still there?

Yes, sir. Okay, so to say, incidentally, to say that Jesus became the Christ as a baptism is false doctrine. The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that, for example. But back to the issue of the Trinity, the fathers and Holy Spirit have always existed eternally. It's always been the case that the decree to have the word become incarnate, it has always been the case that that was in place. There was not a time when God decided to do something like that. The reason it's not the case that he decided to do it was a point in his understanding what he hadn't decided and then he had decided. The reason this can't be is because God knows all things eternally. And if he knows all things eternally, then he knows all his own decisions eternally. And therefore, the choices he makes are eternally decreed, and we can't understand how this works, but this is the logical necessity out of this. In relationship to this, the son, the word, was always going to be the one who would become incarnate, always be the one who would do that. And so he's the eternal word, he is the eternal son, eternal sonship, because it was always the case that he would be sent by the father. So it's always the case that he would be the Messiah. It was always the case eternally that he would be the Christ, the deliverer, the anointed one, and he was anointed from his birth or his conception on. And so he did not become the Christ or the anointed one at his baptism.

That is theological foolishness. Okay? Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Matt. I'll be praying for you and your wife.

Well, my wife needs more prayer than me, that's for sure, because she's married to me. But yeah. These are troubled times we're living in, Matt.

And it's going to get worse. Yep. Yep.

Yes, it is. I'm working on some stuff to help us through that. All right? Okay, buddy. Thanks, Matt. All right.

God bless. Okay. Let's get to Edder from California.

Edder, welcome. You're on the air. Hello? Hello. Hello, Matt? Yes, you're on the air.

Yes. Okay. Hey, Matt. I just want to say you're pretty awesome.

You're an amazing guy, man, because of God. And I really like your work because it's embedded in truth. And I'm a current member at the ICC. Okay. Do you know what that is, Matt? Yes, International Church of Christ. Yes. Yeah. And I don't know, Matt, but I've been feeling like they're just false teaching.

That's right. A lot of shame. You're always shamed. It's a cult, right? It's a cult. You need to get out. What was that? It's a cult.

If you can help me? Yeah, you need to get out. It's an occult. You're a cult. An occult. Yeah, I know.

I feel it. And let me ask you, where are you? Where are you in California?

I just I'm curious. What city? Los Angeles. Because I have friends in the area. I have a friend in Pasadena area, and he's Hispanic, and he knows stuff. He could talk to you. There's also a friend of mine in Temecula I have out there.

Pasadena would be best. Yeah. Yeah, it would be best.

But if you email me, maybe I can put you in contact with them. Do you speak Spanish by any chance? Okay. Yeah, I do.

I do. Okay. Excellente.

You put a lot of Spanish in, poco tambien. So if you wanted more information. Okay. Now, it's a bad group.

It's a bad group. All right. They teach baptism is necessary for salvation.

They also teach requirements of your confession to sins, along with sin lists that are kept about you, and that you have to confess everything to people, and higher-ups will know about this, and that your salvation depends upon your goodness and your submission to those people. Otherwise, you're rebellious and not truly Christian and saved. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Just get out. You're in LA.

You can go to... Oh, man. You know, I hate it. I hate it.

I've always had trouble with names. He's got the big church out there. Been fighting against LA.

Oppression of the churches. Jackie, not Jake Hanford. Jake Hanford. Dang, I hate it. But, you know, I just... I get frustrated with myself because I have trouble with names. Numbers I can remember. Names has always been a problem.

Someone will write it down in the chat room. I'll tell you. But, you know, there's good churches around there. There are. Okay.

MacArthur. I know I've been trying to find, like, something to, you know, because I don't want to stop, you know. I don't want to stop reading the word. Like, I'm a baby Christian, but I don't want to stop, you know. I know Jesus is truth.

And, like, what they're teaching me, I feel in my heart that it's wrong, you know. Yeah. I tell you what.

I want you to email me at info at karm.org. I'm going to talk to my buddy down there. Ziggy's in Pasadena, I think he moved, but he's in that area, LA area, not too far from, if I remember, it was, I think it was at the 215.

I can't remember. It's been a long time. But, at any rate, he's a great guy, you know. He's just a great guy. And he's an elder to church and speaks Spanish and English fluently and knows stuff. Oh, and I also know an LA cop who's also awesome.

He's an LA cop. And so he'd be glad to talk to you, too. If you have any questions and stuff, this guy knows his theology, also. So you tell you what. You email me. I'll put you in contact with these guys, okay? Okay. Okay.

Thank you, man. Okay. Okay. Puedes hacerlo? Yeah, that's it. That's all I got to say. Oh, what's that? Puedes hacerlo?

Yeah, puedes hacerlo. Okay. All right.

Love you, bro. Thank you. Okay, God bless. Praise God. Okay. God bless. God bless.

All right. Yeah, I got some good buds down there. Oh, some good people I know. And there's some good people I know all over the place.

There are some good guys. Let's get to Anthony from Oklahoma. Anthony, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, brother, man. I know time is getting short, so I got two short questions there for you. The first question is this. Hello, the sons of Noah.

Which route out of Shem, Kam, and Jacob did the Chinese people come from? Oh, I don't know. Oh, okay.

Okay, that's it. I don't know either. That's what... Yeah, I don't know.

Some people would know that. That's a good question. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. Let's see. Okay. And the next question is this. You were speaking of this earlier in the show. You said that God raises people up.

I guess... Hey, I'm on the phone. Don't they choose to be bad, and then that's just it, or is it... I mean, God chose them to be bad. There's a little bit of both, because this gets complicated.

So let's see if I can kind of make sense of it quickly. God works all things after the counsel of his will, Ephesians 1-11. So nothing that occurs in the world, no matter what it is, cannot happen independently of God's concern, consideration, touch, whatever you want to call it. His will is involved in everything, whether it's by direct decree and direct action, or by prescriptive, in that he's telling us not to do something bad, or whether it be permissive, where it's his will to allow us to do something bad. And so he certainly can cause people to do certain things in certain ways.

He moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. He can bring us to do what he wants, even something bad, if he wants to do that, yet without him being the cause of it. It's kind of hard to explain, but there's, in logic, we have to deal with what's called the ultimate cause, and proximate cause, and efficient cause. So God can arrange circumstances, that's called the proximate cause, but the actual agent of the bad is that individual. So, for example, God, as it says in Acts 4, 27, 28, God raised, I'll just read it, God, I'll just read it, because I want to make sure I get this right. For truly in the city that were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Gentiles, and the peoples of Israel, to do what your hand and your purpose predestined to occur. So they brought Christ to crucifixion, which was sinful, and God predestined them to do it.

Yet God's not responsible for their sin, because in Acts 2, 23, Peter points out that you guys nailed him to the cross, talking to the Jews. So this gets complicated, and there are ways to work through it. It just takes time, and we lay these sentences out, and we go, look at this, look at that, doesn't mean this, can't mean that. So theologians and logicians have gone through this, and it's easily solvable. Well, not so easily, it just takes 10 minutes of laying things out.

When I teach Bible study, I do this. So, I kind of forgot what the question was, but that's the general idea of what's going on. Make sense so far? Right, but what I'm saying is, ultimately somebody, I mean, ultimately the people chose to be bad. Yes, they do. It's in their nature to choose to be bad. Right, God doesn't make the choice for them, they choose themselves to do that which is wrong. Absolutely. Okay.

And he uses their evil to accomplish his will, but God can also predestine people to do those things that are wrong, yet they're still the ones who are responsible. Okay. Okay.

It gets deep. I'm sorry for really interrupting you, you know, I didn't mean, somebody was knocking on the door, you know, and I'm kind of saying, hey, I'm on the phone. I got a kick out of it, I laughed. It was funny, brothers. It's life, you know. It's life, I like it.

I could just see a kid come up to me and say, hey, I'm on the phone, I'm on the phone. You know, I love that stuff, it's awesome. Absolutely. Listen, we're so thankful and blessed by your show. We have so much tremendous knowledge and wisdom that we gained from your show and may the Lord continue to bless you and you continue as well to bless everybody and your knowledge in teaching about his word. Thank you very much, Matt. Well, praise God, praise God. Um, you know, just praise God, buddy. All right, Anthony. God bless. Thank you, brother. Take care now.

Thank you, take care. All right, let's get to Scott, who's not there. I hope that wasn't because of the rapture that I'm in trouble.

Um, he was asking in the text, he was asking about the Nephilim and, uh, the Nephilim, what's the origins of the Nephilim, might as well get that. We have no callers waiting, so we've got a couple of minutes if you want to sneak. No, we don't even have that time.

We've got a minute and a half. The Nephilim, uh, the, the church taught and, um, the Jews always taught that the Nephilim were the, uh, half breeds of fallen angels and women. And people sometimes say, well, that can't happen.

Well, how do you know it can't, you know, just saying it doesn't get, or can't, doesn't mean it doesn't, but that seems to be the case. And in Genesis chapter six, it talks about the flood came to destroy the world and the Nephilim were on the earth in those days. And it says, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they were children to them. So that's what, uh, that's what they were, uh, holding to. And in verse nine, it says, these are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generations. So that's why some commentators think that it has to do with, uh, the, uh, the intrusion of this foreign line into humanity, uh, for the purpose of destroying the ultimate deliverer prophesied in Genesis three 15 and 16, uh, the one who would, uh, be the Messiah. And so it was just a, an evil attempt, uh, to, uh, thwart that actuality.

So God brought the flood to wipe them out, but it doesn't mean that the, so to speak, the breeding program ceased after that, uh, because it looks like there were more Nephilim later on. And there's more about this. We can talk about it if you're interested in some time. Give me a call and by his grace folks, we'll be back on there tomorrow. And remember, got a Bible study I'm teaching tonight. If you're curious, it'll be at 9 PM Eastern time and just go to CARM Facebook and we'll put a link between 7 and 7 30.

You need to watch. I'll teach you on end time stuff. The Lord bless you. We'll talk to you tomorrow. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the truth network.