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Yes, I hear you, mm-hmm. Okay, my question is, what would be a good response to Catholics, you know how they use the, you know when Jesus says to Peter, on this rock I will build my church, and the Greek word is petros and petra, and Catholics seem to be disregarding those and say that, well they spoke in Aramaic so he's talking about Kepha and so they disregard the petros and petra, well how would you respond to that? Well whenever they go to the Aramaic you say, so you admit that the Greek doesn't support what you're saying so you have to go to a different language, and that's the thing you got to bring up, and because of what petra and petros are, they're in Matthew 16, 18, they understand the difference and the difference is legitimate, and this is what we translate the Bible from is the Greek not the Aramaic, so they are admitting that Matthew 16, 18 in the Greek does not support their heretical false doctrine, and you point it out to them, Kepha is that Aramaic, but we don't have Matthew in Aramaic, we have it in Greek, that's what God ordained, and some say well Matthew wrote everything in Aramaic, well maybe he did, show us the original, or show us a copy of the Aramaic, that's very very early along with the copies of Matthew in Greek, show it to us, and if you don't have it then please sit down, because you don't have any evidence to support your view, okay, they're just reaching, they're reaching for, grasping for straws as the argument goes, okay, because they're idolaters remember, and they replace Jesus with their church, and they want Peter to be the Pope, they want their church to be the means of salvation, you know it's a false religion, so okay, I agree man, all right man, bye bye, everybody God bless, okay that was John from Florida, folks we have three open lines, if you want to give me a call 877-207-2276, John from Raleigh, North Carolina, welcome, you're on the air, hey Matt good evening, thank you for taking my call, I first wanted to say I listened to you on the way home from work most days, and I think you do a great job, I consider myself a Christian, I have observed UFO events two, probably three times in my life, and I never really considered that as intersecting with religion, but when you mentioned that a month ago, I felt compelled to call you and ask you for your thoughts, sure, so okay, let me ask you, you say you're a Christian, you need to do a little diagnosis here really fast, okay, all right, are you there? Sure. Okay, so do you believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh who died on the cross and rose from the dead? Absolutely. Okay, and the Trinity is one God in three simultaneous distinct eternal persons, right? Absolutely. And salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, right? That's what you teach.

That's what I teach. Is that what you believe? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. I'm just repeating what I heard said on your show just a moment ago.

Yeah. Okay, now the reason I asked is because a lot of times UFOs are connected with the occult, and so sometimes you can see things before you're a Christian, and then people don't see them after they're Christian, sometimes that is the case, and when I was involved in the occult, I saw what I would call a UFO. It wasn't like a, hey, look, it's a disc, it's a spaceship with people waving from it. It was a light in the sky moving at an incredible speed, changing directions. There was absolutely no way that it was a normal craft, but I was involved in the occult at the time, and so I'm thinking there's a connection there. Plus, the aliens, not many people know this.

Go ahead. I said I wouldn't think so. I'm not asking it in the context of an occult. Each time I witnessed it, I was with many other people, but I just wanted to share that piece of it with you. I'm going to ask you about it here in a sec, but I want people to know that aliens have taught theology, and there's different books that discuss the theological perspective that, so to speak, these aliens teach, whatever you want to call them, and what they teach is Jesus is not God, reincarnation is true, and we're all divine.

And so there's definitely an anti-Christ kind of a thing going on, and the Bible talked about a great deception later, so maybe that's part of the deception. I don't know. All right, now let's ask. So when you were with these other people, were you outside the desert, were you in an urban area? Where were you? The first time I was at Atlantic Beach, 730 on a Saturday night, about 15 other people, and I saw a large circle of light that did not emit a flame that went across the horizon about a quarter mile, a half mile out over the ocean, and maybe a couple hundred yards a quarter mile high, and then did an immediate 90 degree turn, and went up and up and into the sky, and disappeared rapidly. All right, what about the second time? The second time I was at night at 8 o'clock, 9, 845, summer evening, families don't live over the beach, observe what looked like a kite with several other kites, and then on closer inspection realized it wasn't a kite, and they were in fact light as dusk was coming down, and so I observed them for maybe 10 minutes, brought another fellow over away from his family, we observed him, we watched him for so long, he got bored and rejoined his family. So I continued to watch, and then all of a sudden, as they were moving all around like the mother ship, and then lights around the other one, and then all of a sudden the main one dropped down out of the sky, and then did a 90 degree turn sort of over the beach, and back towards Manteo at a speed that was extremely rapid, and you couldn't follow.

And then the third time was something very similar to the third, and also at night. Did you get any of these on film? I did. All right, well, and you were a Christian when you saw these things?

Yes sir. Okay. Well, looks like you saw some of them. My basic question is, what is the biblical view of this, I mean one possibility is that God created life elsewhere as well. Now, here's the thing, I'm going to just go into this quickly, and I'll give the reasons why it's impossible for life to form by chance any place in the entire universe. There's what's called the universal probability bound, and it's a limit, a mathematical limit to the maximum number of possible events in the known universe. You're making noise by clicking something, doing something, you got to, okay, you're making noises there. Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. So, if the universe, which I don't believe it is, is 18 billion years old, which is way longer than anybody says, that would be 10 to the 18th seconds, and the number of particles in the universe is 10 to the 80th, if they could change their state to maximum rate, which is 10 to the 40th times per second, that would be a total of 10 to the 138th power. In other words, if every atom in the universe was altering its own state, and there's discussion as to what that is, but every atom in the entire universe maximally changing its state for the entire age of the universe, would be 10 to the 130th power.

That's called the universal probability bound. The odds of life formed by chance were just DNA molecules. It's so more vast than that, 10 to the 20th, 30,000th power, and that's just for molecule formation, not protein formation and things like that, and reading mechanisms. It is so mathematically beyond comprehension that it's just not going to happen. People don't get what that means, but for example, if there were 10 to the 80th atoms in the universe, and every atom itself was a universe with 10 to the 80th, it's 10 to the 80th times 10 to the 80th, that's only 10 to the 160th power.

The odds of DNA coming together and what it is with an RNA reader and all this stuff, it gets into 10 to the 20th, 30,000th power, it gets into such immense numbers, it's just not going to happen. Now, the reason I'm bringing this up is, well, then what are these things? They teach theology, they denounce Christ, so something's going on.

There has to be a spiritual connection with them, and that's what I'm saying, and also, there's only one account of a Christian ever being abducted, and it was a woman who had to give you permission. So hold on. We'll talk a little bit more about this when we get back to the break, okay? Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

We have one open line, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, we'll be back to the show. John, are you still there?

Yes, sir, I am, Matt. Thank you. All right. Don't know if that helped very much. There's some information there. There's a lot more to talk about, but I've been studying UFO stuff for, I don't know, 30, 35 years now, so...

Yes, sir. I had a little trouble following all of the scientific explanation with the proteins and atoms and the percentages and degrees and so forth. Is there a summary that you can provide? You can...

I think I've written some articles on that on CARM. Let's see, I think Charlie was putting some stuff in there, mathematical. Let's see.

What was it? I guess my question is, if in fact it is an unidentified flying object and it's not a military or other craft or what have you from our earth, and if God created the universe, wouldn't he have created the UFOs as well? If any life is out there, it's because God created it, because that's it.

It's just not going to happen. That light's going to form by chance. I get a kick out of the Drake equation, and they always look for life on Mars and things like that. Well, here's something to think about, too, just a little thought about life on Mars. What if they do find something? What if they do find some microbes, real microbes?

It does not prove life evolved there, because microbes from earth can be cast up by winds up into the atmosphere, and they can be blown by solar wind, cleared out to Mars, and settled on Mars. Not many people are aware of that. It's a physiological possibility, so they have to be able to demonstrate all kinds of stuff. But nevertheless, the Bible talks about a great deception coming. I think the Christians need to be aware that UFOs are a potential for great deception. I've got some theories about some stuff, and I'm thinking about putting up my third novel, but we'll see. That's a good point. Do you have time for a 60-second unrelated question about the Bible?

Sure, real fast. What does the Bible refer to as far as high places in the Old Testament, when the leaders would resume their activities at the high places, and that would just please God, and then their son would not, and that would please God, and kind of go back and forth, but I never understood what the high places were. Okay, I've been to one, and that's in Israel. A high place was up on a hill, or a high place on the side of a mountain, where they would have an altar as they're trying to reach to the heavens. It's called a high place, that's all.

Okay. And why was that displeasing to God if they were trying to get closer to the heavens? Because it's idolatry.

Because they weren't trying to hide places for God, they were trying to hide places for Baal, or Moloch, or whatever it was. The references that I saw never gave that any context, so that was not clear to me, so thank you for answering that. You're welcome. All right.

God bless, buddy. Have a good evening, Matt. I'll call you again sometime. All right.

Sounds good. All right, let's get to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt Slick. Is falling out in the Spirit biblical? Falling out? Yeah, in the Spirit, like falling on your face, or you know how like these Pentecostal churches, they'll like fall back? Yes.

Okay. It's not recorded in Scripture in that context of a spiritual ecstatic experience, except in the presence of God, they will fall on their face because the holiness of God is so profound. And Ananias and Sapphira in 1 Corinthians, no, in Acts chapter 5, were killed because of their lying to the Holy Spirit, and so they were killed, so that's falling on their face in that sense. But this Charismania that goes on where they put their hands up at their foreheads and knock them down, they get slain in the Spirit, no, I don't see that as being biblical at all. It's over-emotionalism and manipulation. Okay? Yeah, I don't think it is either, but there is like, whenever like they were dedicating a temple, they were falling on their face, man, worse than God.

That's different. See, I was in Southern California, went to Melodyland, which is no longer there, it's across the street from Disneyland, and I used to go there and listen to Walter Martin. Well, one day I went to a church service, another part of the building, and they said, a bunch of people went down, I went down also, to get slain in the Spirit. If it's going to happen to me, you know, it's going to happen. I want to see if God is going to be used, or will be using this man to do this. And a bunch of us went down there, and this pastor guy would get up and do all this stuff and get everybody hyped up, and I'm like, this is just hype. And so he put his hand on different people's foreheads, and they would just fall back. Well, I couldn't see everything until he got to the guy just to my right, and then I watched. And this guy to my right was so eager. You could just see he was just smiling and just fidgety. And eager, as soon as the guy's hand even went near his forehead, I saw him fall back himself. And I said, oh, this is fake. And then the guy got to me, and he pushed my forehead back, and I just, I'm standing there. And he did like three times, and I'm just standing there.

And he went on to the next person, and then I'm the only one left standing up. And so, not that that makes doctrine true or false or anything, but that's my experience with it. You know, if God must knock me down, he can do it, but I just think it's full tomfoolery. That's what it is.

Boy, I haven't used that for a long time. So it's manipulation, emotional manipulation. People fall for it. No pun intended. Okay. Yeah, I know that. I'm just, I know because I've done it, like see, I fell forward whenever I did mine.

That's what it said I wanted to do, right? See, the Holy Spirit got up, I mean, I was praying one day, I got up, and I just fall flat on faith. That's okay. I mean, I woke up, and my mom was like, my mom was like, hey, are you okay? Are you okay?

I'm like, yeah, I'm just praying for God. Yeah, that's fine. I mean. That's fine. Yeah.

That's different. That's different than the charismatic stuff where you go up front, get to slay in the Spirit, the power of God, Benny Hinn, wackery, and all that kind of stupidity. No, when you're in the presence of God, you're going to put your face on the ground, on your own. It's going to happen because his presence is so magnificent, but going up front to get slain in the Spirit, I remember back in Escondido, San Diego County, I would drive down this one street, and it was basically a cult group, and they said, Holy Spirit revival meeting, you know, it would be like Tuesday the 15th, 7 p.m., and I remember thinking, that's so ridiculous.

Well, the Holy Spirit's going to be here on that date at that time to do what they want. It's just, oh, you know, stupidification. It's stupidification. Yeah. Okay, buddy. All right. I appreciate it, man.

I learned something. Right. Thank you, sir. Good.

God bless, man. All right. Let's get to Zeno. Oh, I like that name.

From Missouri, Zeno. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey. How are you doing, man? I'm doing all right.

What do you got, buddy? I'm a really big fan of the show, but I have a question on LGBT and marriage. My sister-in-law, she is in the LGBT movement, and she's going to be getting married soon, and I'm a Christian.

My wife. I'm sorry. Yes.

To a guy that is a cross-dresser. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

I don't know what the situation is, just because I'm curious. Okay? Be right back. Okay, buddy.

Hey, folks. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show, everyone. Let's get back on the air with Zeno. I love that name.

So where were we? Thank you. All right. LGBT. Okay.

Well, I should explain it a little better. My sister-in-law, she is a trans-... She's gender fluid, that's what she claims to be, and she's going to be getting married to a man that is transgender. And she is inviting us to her wedding, and her mom is actually going to be having a meeting tonight with us and her sisters to see how to address it, because she's a Christian. But the sad part is- Wait. Wait.

Wait. They're going to meet for what reason? They're going to meet for what reason?

Just together. She's wanting to talk to the family about the whole situation. To see if they're going to go? Yes.

I guess just to get a feel or whatever. Have them do a phone conference. I'd be glad to be on the other end of the line and field questions about this tonight, seriously. I'm not kidding. I know. It's such a really- And what's sad about the whole situation is one of her sisters, we all go to the same church, and she's kind of on the, God made them that way, and that type of nonsense. So it's more of an inside argument when it shouldn't be. So we're just trying to figure out how to address it, because we want to be godly with the whole situation. Sure.

I can tell you. And make it clear that, yeah, so that's the situation, I just want to know how to address it. Well, what you do is you put Christ first, and you love them as much as you can as you put Jesus first. And you say, we love you and stuff, but we don't recognize your, what we call sin, your sin in this. We don't recognize it as being godly. And your union is an ungodly union from our perspective, and we can't participate in that. It doesn't mean we don't love you. It doesn't mean we don't care about you. We can't publicly approve of it in support.

And you don't go. Exactly. Yes, that's what, you know, obviously we're leaning, but, and I'm sure that her mom would have the same stance, but it's just sad that some Christians look at that and say, oh, it's okay. It's not okay. That's kind of where the, exactly, it's not okay. No, it's not. I mean, so we just.

So ask them this. So we're wanting. Are you going to be there tonight in this meeting? No, I wasn't invited. It's just my wife and her mom and her three sisters. Ah, it's a ladies' meeting. Yes. Well, still, volunteer me.

You can email me and I'll give you my cell number and things like that. And if they are curious, I'm not going to come in with a bowl in a china shop. I can answer questions and I can tell them that the basic thing is if you want to tell them to your wife, I'll be willing to talk to you and your wife off the line too, but we need to honor God before we honor man and we need to obey him before we honor him. And so, for example, a homosexual wedding would not be anything that any Christian could approve of. It's a denial of the created order, it's a denial of the ordination of God's system in marriage, male and female. So a Christian has no business supporting it. For someone who is gender fluid, that is an issue of sin on their part, which is a further rebellion against God. And then to marry someone who is a transvestite, or whatever you want to call it, which the Bible condemns wholeheartedly, that would be another violation. So Christians don't have any business going to weddings like that.

They don't. Agreed, agreed, okay. I will relay that my wife's just going to watch this, and I will give her the information that you would be willing to talk to everyone, if they'd be willing to do so, and thank you very much. I mean, I've been watching your show for a long time, so the first thing I brought up was I wonder what Matt would say, because we kind of, we have the right understanding, but sadly, some other Christians don't, and that's going to be the whole argument is. Because Christians are often just, they're going with their feelings. Now here's the thing, I'm going to say something that I'm serious about, yet at the same time I'm cautious at saying it, but women are more emotional than men, they want to please more than men, and things like that, which is good.

So a bunch of ladies getting together, is there going to be anybody in there who is biblically minded, or are they going to do the, let's just make it all better kind of attitude, and then they participate in something because they don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, and that's what I'm concerned about, not to knock women in the beauty of their care, because it's a wonderful thing. So that's what I'm saying, and I can be very gentle, people don't realize that until they talk to me, they go, man, you're not nice, what the hell are you? I say, yeah, it's okay, I understand, but that's it.

So if you are interested in that, what you would do is, you would email me if you want, you'd email me at info at karm.org, give me your cell, and I would call you on a different line, because there'd be people who want my cell number, who then spam, and I get spammed, and so I have to make sure it's you, then I would. Oh, I hear you. Yeah, I get it a lot, I get this a lot, and it's a lot of crud.

We get email spams, we get phone spams, I've been swatted, we get followed in our cars, we get bumps in the night. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah.

Well, things happen because of what I do. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. Yeah, I hear you.

And that's just for the Baptists, so there you go. Okay. Okay, I hear you.

All right, buddy? All right. All right, well, thank you. Thank you, I really appreciate it. All right, man, God bless. Okay. God bless.

God bless. All right, let's get to Zach from Indiana. Zach, welcome, you're on the air.

Zach? Yeah. There you go. Hey, man, what do you got, buddy?

What's up? All right. Yeah, so I was listening earlier when you were talking about Petros and Petra and the Greek and all that. You know, when you look at the Koine Greek, though, Petros and Petra, they both mean rock. And it's a feminine version and a masculine version of the same noun.

When you look at small rock or pebble or whatever, you would be looking more for the Koine Greek word lysos, which is actually used when Satan tempts Jesus to turn the small stones into bread. And so to try to make that point against Peter in the papacy, it just really is not a strong point. Oh, it's a very strong argument. You can probably think it's a little misleading. It's a very strong argument.

You're obviously a Roman Catholic, aren't you? Right? Yeah, but they mean that Petros and Petra mean the same thing. Okay, let me explain. Let me explain.

No, it does not. Okay? Petros is masculine singular. Hey, and let me ask you a question. Have you had Greek? Have you had Greek?

Have you had Greek? Yeah. Okay.

Can you parse the verb ami? Go ahead. No, I can't. Oh, so you haven't had Greek.

I don't have all the stuff in front of me right now. Hold on a sec. Hold on. You said you had Greek. You took Greek.

So I asked you to parse, which is a... Yeah, I did say Greek. Wait a second. It's been a few years. Well, hold on. Excuse me. Excuse me.

But I know that the words Petros and Petra are the... Excuse me. Excuse me. You want me to keep you...

I'll put you on... I'm just going to have to shut you up. If I'm trying to talk to you, I'm going to keep you quiet. My radio show, not yours, so I'm going to try you one more time. Are you there?

Are you there? Yeah. Now, I asked you if you knew Greek or had taken Greek, you said yes. You first two, three weeks of Greek, you learn what it means to parse. Ami is the verb to be.

To parse ami is present, active, indicative, first person, singular. That is basic, basic Greek. You're telling me you had Greek, but you don't know.

Right. I took Greek nine years ago. I took it... Well, I graduated in 1991, all right?

That's 30 years ago. And I don't use it in my everyday work. And neither do I.

Now, stop making excuses. The word Peter is the word petros. It's a masculine singular, and the word rock is feminine petra. Petra is used to designate a large mass of rock, and petros is used to designate a small pebble, a small stone. Petros is masculine. Where? Petros is masculine. Where do you get that?

I'll tell you what. Go to my website, karm.org, and look up Matthew 16, 18, petros, petra. Look it up, and you'll see the documentation from the lexicons there. I don't have lexicon information memorized, but you should already know this if you've done any of your homework. The lexicons say rock or stone. Okay. Okay. The word lithos is not there.

And the word petra, which is... Lithos means pebble. Excuse me. I guess you just don't want to learn, do you?

You're so convinced of the Roman Catholic Church. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

What does lithos mean? Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

It means rock. Do you... Can you pray to Jesus? Listen to this, everybody. Can you pray to Jesus?

Okay. If you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins, will he forgive you of all of your sins? If I have perfect contrition or even imperfect contrition, yes.

What does this have to do with cedar and petra? So then, if you pray to Jesus and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins, he'll forgive you of all of your sins. So then why do you need a priest if you can go straight to Christ? Because we're told to confess our sins. Where does it say that? Where does it say to confess our sins to a priest in a Roman Catholic Church in the Bible that doesn't? We've got a break.

See if you can find it in the scriptures. It does. And we'll be right back. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't anywhere. You show me.

You show me where you think it goes. We've got a break. Let's see if this Zach guy can back up what he thinks the Word of God says. Roman Catholics are like cultists, folks. They don't listen.

They don't learn. Hey, we'll be right back after this break. Welcome back to the show. Let's see if Zach is still there.

Are you still there? Yep. So where does it say in the Bible to confess your sins to priests? John 2023 gives the apostles the authority to forgive sins. Let's look at John 2023. You know, James 5 talks about confessing. Hold on.

One particular time. John 2023. I asked you, what does it say to confess your sins to a priest? It doesn't say that. Well, you're making an assumption. No, you're making an assumption. John 2023 doesn't say that. No, you're making an assumption that it has to be a direct...

I have to get this guy quiet because he doesn't listen. He's made an assumption. I asked him specifically to show me a verse where it said to confess your sins to priests. And this verse is not to priests. It's to the disciples where Jesus says, if you forgive the sins of any other sins, have been forgiven. And what this is, it's a perfect participle, perfect passive in the Greek, which means it has already been done. If you forgive the sins of any... their sins have already been forgiven is what it's saying in the Greek. And that's the correct translation. And the Catholics often go to this verse because they think that it means that the disciples had the ability to forgive sins.

And somehow that was also transferred down the line. Nothing in the Bible says it was transferred down the line. This is an address to the disciples. This guy can't exegete... the Catholics can't exegete scripture. And furthermore, here's a question to ask about John 20, 23. If you forgive the sins of any... they are forgiven.

That's what they want to say. They are forgiven. But the Greek actually says they have been forgiven. Well, here's the question. Is Jesus obligated to forgive the sins of people that their so-called priests forgive?

Is Jesus obligated to follow what the priest says? And that's a problem. Zach, are you still there?

Yeah. Zach, you don't listen. You're just giving over to Catholicism. So the verse that you quoted me, John 20, 23, does not say what I asked you to find in scripture. It doesn't say you confess your sins to priests.

Do you understand that? Yes, it does, because the priests are by extension successors of the apostles. They have... Where'd you get that?

They have been given their authority. Where's that in scripture? Well, again, you're making an assumption that every single thing has to be found in scripture.

Where does scripture give you the list of the canon of scripture? Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. I asked you, where is it said in the word of God? We know the scriptures are inspired.

Whatever you want to say the canon is. Well, you can go back to Matthew 16. Excuse me.

Excuse me. We're looking at scripture. You can find an act where they had a successor.

Okay. I'm asking you to show me verses where it's... the transfer of power is from the disciples down further. Can you show me that? Yeah, an act that happens at the beginning of acts when they give a messiah, Acts 1, I think it is. That is not an apostolic authority to forgive sins or requirements. Well, yeah, because you don't want it to be, so because you don't want it to be, you're going to deny it. Excuse me. Excuse me.

See, it doesn't matter what scripture I give, you're going to deny it. Excuse me. Excuse me. It just doesn't say what you're saying. That's the issue. You're the one who wants it to say it. No, it does.

No, it doesn't. That's what every church father believes, what I believe, not what you believe. Look, let me just tell you something.

You are so incredibly ignorant. Peter is not the rock in which the church is built, said Augustine. He says, quote, so I explained what the Lord said, thou art Peter upon this rock of the building of my church, that it be understood is built upon him whom Peter confesses. Well, Matt, you didn't even know that petra and petros mean rock. Okay. So this guy, I just hung up on him, folks. Obviously, this is a great example of someone who's brainwashed, doesn't have the ability to listen even for a moment and have a conversation, misrepresents the issues to say, I didn't know that the word petra and petros didn't mean rock, it's just ridiculous.

The information and documentation are on the website. This is a great example of what happens when someone replaces Christ with something other than Christ. They become agendized, and all they want to do is bolster the idol that they put in place of Jesus. And notice, this guy wasn't talking about what Jesus was doing, but about what his priests in his church can do. And this is the thing you've got to understand, is that the Roman Catholic Church replaces Christ with itself and uses Christ to justify it, because the Roman Catholic Church says that you can't find salvation outside of the church, and the church has the authority to interpret scripture. The church has the authority to forgive sins. The church has the authority for sacraments.

You have to go to the church to interpret scripture, and that's what they do. They want salvation to be in their hands, not in Christ's hands, and that's the fault of the Roman Catholic Church, one among many. Let's get to Dylan, California. Turn that back down there, Dylan. Okay, there you go.

They want salvation to be in their hands, not in Christ's hands, and that's the fault of the Roman Catholic Church, one among many. Let's get to Dylan, California. Let's move past Dylan, and let's get to Anthony from Oklahoma. Anthony, welcome.

You're on the air. Anthony. Anthony?

People wait a long time. Let's see. Are you there, Anthony? I'm waiting for you. Yes, sir. Matt, how you doing, brother? Doing all right.

Oh, Anthony from Oklahoma. Okay. Hopefully, here we go. What do you got, buddy? Okay. Yes, Matt. I think I called last week, and I was asking you about the oneness, and I like what you said. I think you're right. That's why I call him to be educated.

Good. It pertains to how some people can join a certain denomination and still be saved because they're ignorant of scripture, like the other guy that he talks about in Roman capitalism. Now, if somebody is in Roman capitalism, and let's say they're not too knowledgeable of scripture, could they still be saved? It depends on what the issue is. It just depends. People will be saved in different levels of ignorance and different things.

It has to do with whether to continue to deny the truth once it's been exposed to them. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, Matt, the other guy that was on there, the phone before me and you, is he lost?

Good job. I don't know, but if he affirms official Roman Catholic theology regarding salvation, then he would be lost. Yeah. Okay. If he does.

I don't know if he does or not. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right.

Appreciate it, Matt. Thank you. All right, man. God bless, buddy.

That's it. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Let's get to Alex from Orlando, Florida. Alex, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, brother. Can you hear me?

Yes, I can. Mm-hmm. Hey.

I sent you a Super Chat on YouTube. If you could answer that after the show. Yeah. I saw that, buddy. Yeah. That would be great. Thanks, man.

Alex Alexander. Thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Appreciate it. I hung out with Andrew Rappaport the other night. He says good things about you.

Well, I won't say anything good about Andrew because the slime ball has beat me buying lunches so many times over the years that I can't say anything good about him. So he just accepted that he beats me, except for the last one, which I got him, which was epic. You did get him.

You got him in the last one. Yes, I did. No.

But I finally got him. Yeah. Okay. So what do you got, buddy? So I'm going to ask you a different question. Yeah. I'm going to ask you a different question really quick.

So I texted you the other day. I'm reading through Exodus 37. Who was Bezalel and when it says in Exodus 37, 7, he made two terribems, was he directly making angels for the tabernacle or... That's my question. I don't know.

Because this is not going to snow you and try and make it sound like I know what I'm talking about here, but I've not studied that in a long time. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, just out of Exodus 37, but you said he made two cherubim? Yeah. So it says he made two cherubim for the tabernacle, and I'm wondering, were the angels directly made for that tabernacle? Oh.

I don't know. I'd have to look at that because we do know the mercy seat, the cherubim, were there touching, the angel's wings almost touching. And in case you would, two cubits long. That looks like it's the object that went in the Holy of Holies, yes, there were six branches, yep. So I don't know if it was touched. So it wasn't an angel, but it was just an object?

It was a construction, so it was an object representing an angel, the cherubim, when he made those things. Oh, I see. Yeah.

Okay. And then, I mean, really quick, that Jupiter chat, you got any solid Christian news sources that you recommend? Any solid Christian news sources? Yeah.

Yeah. Christianity Today's pretty good, and Christian Post or Global Christian News. Global Christian News. Global Christian News. And that's also good. And I recommend on the phone to get Conservative News Pro.

And I spent three bucks or four bucks, and I paid for it. And it's conservative websites, news things, and you can go in and click all kinds of articles. And they show stuff in there that the leftist media won't even go near. The leftist media is not to be trusted. Not to be trusted. Okay. Okay.

All right. Yeah, my wife was asked. She's off the CNN. She's got a lot of that stuff.

She's like, I've got to get some unbiased news. Yeah. Here. ChristianPost.com, ChristianHeadlines.com is another one. I should write an article and recommend Christian news sources.

Okay. And believe it or not, I'm going to be very, Val, there's another one that's pretty decent and it's not Christian. It's the Christian Science. It's a cult. But they do really good objective work, at least they used to, and I don't know what they've done later.

But the reason is because of the theological perspective dealing with the nature of truth as it properly represents actuality, it gets into some stuff. And they're very objective, which is surprising. But the Christian ones, I would definitely go to Christian Post, ChristianHeadlines.com and check out the Conservative News Pro.

I use it on my phone, I use it every day. And you just go through there and there's a bunch of good stuff. Yeah.

I'll check those out. And just a quick PSA, you guys should support this brother and my wife is supporting him monthly. You guys should support this brother, he's fighting the cult, he's helping to advance the kingdom of God, he's doing the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Oh. You're talking about me? Oh.

Yeah, I'm talking about you, brother. Oh, okay. Well, thank you. Appreciate that.

Definitely need prayer. Yeah. Boy, I could just tell you guys what we're trying to work on, what's going on with Karm and the areas we're trying to expand and how much help we need. Oh, there's a lot.

So, there's a lot. Okay. Okay, brother. God bless you, man. Keep up the good work, man. Keep up the fight. All right, man. God bless. All right.

Appreciate that. Okay. Let's get to Rob from Memphis in the last minute.

We got Rob. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey. Thank you for taking my call, Matt. Third time caller.

And I want to say that Karm is a great school and it's a great resource. Oh, thank you. Also, I want to tell you this, that I got brushed off by Ray Comfort the other day. I thought I had a very valid question for him.

And he brushed me off. He didn't answer it. But he said the greatest sin is not loving God because that is the first and the greatest commandment. Thou shall love to God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And I asked him, I said, well, how is that the greatest sin if that's a forgivable sin? The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Wouldn't it seem that's a forgivable sin? So wouldn't blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be the greater sin?

And I got brushed off. Can you help give some clarity on this? Yeah, I would agree with you that unbelief and rejecting God and not loving God are all forgivable. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not.

In fact, because of what you just asked, I'm going to write an article called What Is The Greatest Sin? And I'll go through that. All right? Oh, well, that's amazing. Thank you. And I know Ray is a great guy. All right, buddy. God bless.

Yeah, he's a great guy. All right. Okay. Great story. Call back. I love talking about women pastors and stuff. Call back tomorrow.

Dylan from Breakersfield and oh, the actual books of the Bible. Oh, that'll be good. Call back tomorrow. God bless, everybody. We'll talk to you then. We'll see you next time on another program powered by the Truth Network.