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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network Practitioners. And even issues you've never even thought about Can be answered for example The Christa Delphian, which is a it's like a Jehovah's Witness it's a non-christian cult years ago asked me a question and it was a gotcha question and He said well Matt because he denies Jesus is God in flesh. He says so Jesus you say Jesus has two natures I says yes He says well which one died in the cross and I knew exactly where he was gonna go after that point And I knew the answer okay, and I said well only the human nature died in the cross and he said well Then how how is it that you would say that the sacrifice of Christ if only the human nature died is of divine value And I said here we go. It's called a communicatio indio matum, and I explained it to him and It was very useful, and he had never heard of it before and there was the answer So I'm telling you when you learn doctrine particularly about the person and work of Christ other things become very very helpful and Stuff okay now Fundamentum Veritatis a call up on my show here call me up and explain What's what you mean by that because now I'm curious okay, and it's a good thing folks all right Let's just jump on the line now.

Let's get to Alberto from Georgia Alberto welcome. You're on the air Well good evening, Matt Lee my question is when Moses spoke got to face to face And he saw those he saw the forms of God I thought God's spirit is eternal he has no shape or form because he's everywhere Pleasant so how can Moses be the form of God or God has no shape or form? Because that's what the Bible says in Exodus 24 9 through 11 It says Moses Aaron Nadev and Abba who in the 70 the elders of Israel went up when they saw the God of Israel And under his feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire as clear as a sky itself He did not stretch out his hand against the nobles of the son of Israel And they saw God and they ate and they drank now if you go to Exodus 6 verses 2 and 3 God spoke further to Moses and said to him I am the Lord Or Yahweh, and I appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty So he appeared but when we look at the whole of Scripture what we're saying is that that was always and only The son the pre-incarnate Christ who appeared That's what's going on. That's how we answered that makes sense But so the pre-incarnate Christ with the angel of the Lord and the burning voice was no I read in the Old Testament They said that the angel of the Lord was in the flame inside of flame That's a pre-incarnate cause in angelical form right now the angel of the Lord is an interesting phrase because angel this means messenger so the pre-incarnate Christ can be that messenger and And he would the word would then be angel, but we think an angel is a created being it is But not necessarily when we understand what the word actually means and how it's used So the phrase the angel of the Lord can speak of an actual created angel that represents God that can also be taken to mean the pre-incarnate Christ Okay, because he's the only angel can accept worship correct yeah Yeah, and sometimes the way the cults try and get out of this problem of Exodus six two and three I use this With the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians and sometimes with Mormons is that they will say That God can't be seen which is fine And I will show them the verses where God is seen now a Jehovah's Witness will deny the Trinity and deny Jesus as God as do the Christadelphians Now the Mormons say that Jehovah is Jesus and Elohim is God the Father and But the Bible says in first Corinthians me first first Kings 860 it says Jehovah is Elohim because Jehovah or Yahweh is simply the name of God and The word in Hebrew for God is Elohim So when it says Jehovah is Elohim it's saying Jehovah is God The one true God and that's what's going on there, and so the Mormons make this mistake when they say Jehovah is Jesus in the Old Testament and Elohim is God the Father in the Old Testament they just Fail to understand what the scriptures are actually teaching Now this is how to get that a little bit of background in order to get this you see When it says an Exodus to? Exodus six excuse me verses two and three God Okay, this is the first verse of Exodus two Okay, this is what it says God. It's Elohim Spoke further to Moses and said to him I am Yahweh I Am Jehovah okay? I'm Yahweh, and I appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them because Yahweh that name wasn't revealed until Exodus is three when the angel the Lord appeared which is Jesus pre-incarnate Christ in the in the burning bush And so that's what's happening is and I'll use this with the cults They say who they sing in the Old Testament because they have to say God Almighty Well, who is God Almighty to them, and they'll say well God Almighty is God the Father Then I take into John 6 46 which says no man seen the Father at any time So if they were saying God Almighty in the Old Testament who's not God the Father then who is it?

And then they're stuck Because there's no answer because their theology is so bad, and then this is one of the ways of exposing them I did this with two Jehovah's Witnesses to j-dub girls once they didn't know that I knew stuff And I was just very quietly leading them to scriptures, and I asked this question I showed it to him and asked a question I still remember this This young woman looked at the scriptures looked at the scriptures looked at the scriptures I said well who was it who's God Almighty, but not God the Father? So she looked and she looked and she looked at me. She said well that would be Jesus she looked and she closed her books and we gotta go and then she left because Jesus can't be God Almighty because they deny who he really is She was stunned and she knew anyway So this is that's a very long time to our children with the Revelation 1 a and Matthew 1 24 good Yeah, thank you sir. God bless you all right, man. God bless All right, that was Elberto from Georgia. Let's get on the phone with Kyle from Iowa Kyle welcome. You're on the air Oh, sorry. I'm gonna break right here. Hold on Matt.

How are you? We got a break man. Sorry about the timing there. Okay. Hold on buddy.

Okay. Oh, yeah Hey folks we have three open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six We'll be right back It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's Matt slick Welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Kyle from Iowa Kyle welcome. You're on the air Hey, Matt, how are you doing? All right, man.

What do you got buddy? So I have this friend on Facebook is I don't know if I could call him a devout Catholic because I don't really know him that well, but I can call him a very convinced Catholic and He and I are planning on having a discussion in a couple days about Apostolic apostolic succession, okay, and I was wondering if you could give me some advice and some insights on where to go in the Bible up when I got that Okay, so here's here's the thing they're gonna claim apostolic succession you have to Insist politely that he showed to you in Scripture This is what you have to do If you can't show it to you in Scripture, then you just say I won't accept it Because you've not been able to establish from what God says that it's true So What he might do is go in to verses like let's see John Let's see John 20 23. No, that's that's figure. There's sins of any Get authority John Okay, Matthew 10. All right, but a lot of times I go to Matthew 10 and In Jesus some of the twelve and gave them authority over unclean spirits that cast them out and things like that And this what it says in John or in Matthew 10 and so they'll say see he gave them authority and therefore we are that the Descendants where our church is these descendants of them.

So we have the authority to and what you have to do is you'd say Well, wait a minute. For example, they might use this verse. You'll say well, please show me Where it says that in this verse it says it gave the disciples and how many does it say twelve twelve disciples? Gave them authority over unclean spirits.

That's twelve. It doesn't say you're priests Please show me where it says apostolic succession apostolic succession You have to ask them that All right Okay, so you might and they might want to go to something like eight, uh, acts 8 18 And when simon saw that the spirit was bestowed through the laying on the apostles hands, he offered money And that's just saying well see they lay they were laying on of hands And they'll say I want to have that And that's they'll say that the authority or they might go to first timothy 414 do not neglect the spirit of the apostles And that's they'll say that the authority or they might go to first timothy 414 do not neglect the spiritual gift within you Which was bestowed on you through the prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery And that's basically the elders. Okay, so they might go there do not neglect the spiritual gift, which is bestowed on you You know through the laying on of hands, but he's talking to timothy specifically So you always have to look at the context and see what it is that they're saying ask him him very clearly Ask him show me Show me The uh, the verses that show that demonstrate this and then when he if he does list anything Then ask him just look at it in context read it and ask the question.

Does it say what he says it's saying? That's what you have to do Very simple. Okay.

All right Now yeah, I think that thank you. That's what you do now You have to understand that they teach Now get this the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the word of god whether in its written form or in the form of tradition Has been entrusted to the living Teaching office of the church alone. That's ccc paragraph 85. They equate tradition with uh, the word of god They say they're on the same level if he says Well, look we just we hold the tradition say show me that in scripture Now the the thing is I would recommend what you do is go to karm And go to the cut and paste section They go to karm.org forward slash cut And it'll just take you to the cut and paste section you go down to the catholic Cut and paste stuff and you can scroll down It's in an outline form and you can scroll down to the issue of tradition because they may He may go to two issues of tradition and he'll quote a verse say show me the verse and what you do is Look read this ahead of time and get ready You know, he might go to first gnds 11 2 and I praise you Because you remember me and everything and hold firmly to the traditions that I have delivered you well now He's saying he might say see by the traditions.

That's a catholic tradition and the answer is right there The traditions delivered in the past and from the context it appears that paul is either referring to avoiding idolatry or as he's restating The tradition concerning head coverings authority in prayer. There is nothing in the context about roman catholic tradition and these are quick and slick answers And so second thessalonians 2 15 is when they use second thessalonians 3 6 they use So be prepared and take notes and what i've done is is provided a lot of of work already for people On stuff. So the cut and paste section is for quick easy reference and then the whole roman catholic section is for a whole bunch of work All right Yeah, that sounds good You there Sounds good, and i'm yeah. Yeah, i'm still here. All right Yeah, now I can't yeah And so what I want you to do is give that a go take some notes and then call me back and tell me how It went any problems you had or whatever and don't expect perfection Okay, i've been doing this a long long long time and I always regret things I said or shouldn't have said or said or didn't whatever in all my debate. I could have done this better that better It that's just how it is, but i'd like to hear how it goes when you have this discussion All right Yeah, yeah, i'll definitely call back and let you know Sounds good, buddy. All right All right. Thank you so much. Okay. There you go. God bless man. All right Yeah, thank you. Sure. No problem. All right, let's get to quiet from winston-salem, north carolina How are you? Yes, you're on the air Hey, how are you doing doing? All right hanging in there man.

What do you got buddy? All right, so it was uh, it's more like a because I I understand that jesus is the lord So that's not part for me to get it. I guess I just want to be a part of it It was if you could piggyback off of this sort of thing or like kind of help me understand how to better explain it because I I'm, not too familiar with I just have been reading the bible and taking in life Like I I do believe god speaks to us in how he presents each day so in particular like Having this mindset that everything present on earth is it had to have a spiritual action first before The physical could happen And so like him creating the earth he had to speak the word first for it to Sort of speak manifest itself So everything physical is residual of his spiritual actions first Well, actually what you're saying is What you're saying is actually true because all events that occur are ultimately related to the single Uncaused cause which is god all events that occur Have causes and the cause has a cause has a cause that goes back.

You can't go back infinitely And there's logical problems why you can't go back infinitely there has to be a single uncaused cause so all things that exist All events and all actualities stand in causal relationship to god ultimate in an ultimate sense. So that's true So did you have a question though? Um, i'm curious It's i'm i'm not familiar with this at all.

So I it was I guess it's really just a question to to really test myself So to speak with someone we have experience So that I don't because I think it is a sensitive topic and I won't want to mislead you I think it is a sensitive topic and I won't want to mislead Anyone, you know with more confusion or anything. So just tell you what be clear We can tell you what we got a break coming up. So think during a break how you want to ask a specific question And or a comment that you want me to comment on make it. Uh, okay sync we'll do it after the break All right. Hey folks, we have three open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two Seven six be right back It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick Come back everybody.

Hey, we have two open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven Two zero seven two two seven six. All right quiet, I guess Um, we're back on the air you there Yeah Okay, so I think I've so I guess i'll take it from the verse where it says jesus is on the right hand of the father Yes, is it safe to understand it in this way? That he uses the body To rep like heaven represent all things in heaven are representative of the power of god And as michael was the lord of hope and he's on the right hand jesus is So the left brain controls logic and the right brain controls creativity And jesus being on the right hand of the father. He represents the new logic of our understanding No, no, no, no No, um When you interpret biblical stuff, you need to stick inside of scripture And there's nothing left right brain hemisphere stuff in the bible by which you would then draw a comparison So the right hand means the place of authority That's what it writes place of authority and approval Now on the right side on the day of judgment the on those on the right are saved those on the left are cast into judgment eternal judgment Okay, because then the way I see it is because they yielded to creative power instead of the logical power that god That jesus is who god chose to represent Okay, now you're confusing me because what you said earlier, okay Just that I made a comment kind of clued me in that there's some other things that you probably might be weaving into Into biblical theology now, let me ask you do you believe that that jesus is god in flesh? Yes, okay, and that the trinity And the trinity is one god in three distinct simultaneous persons father son.

Holy spirit you affirm that One thing that i've i'm just iffy on is actually saying I believe that the first the father God can move in any way he wants to so I I say humbly as a creative thing That he can I I don't have full complete understanding So that's why i'm asking but it's just I say humbly because I don't want to say trinity because that's not in the bible per se but he does give us the understanding of how he moves and Where he was from heaven now He has representatives in flesh and he still moves in spirit because that's who he always was. Well, I tell you what I tell you what, um What I think i'd like to recommend for you is to go to the carm website Have you been to carm.org c-a-r-m dot org? No All right Now that's my website and a lot of times you might hear someone on the on a radio say go to my website And it have a few articles there. We have well over uh five thousand articles and They are written theologically very precise. Uh, we don't just dump out hundreds of articles We are very careful about what we write and how it goes up and this is why seminaries and colleges use the website We've had over 145 million visitors to this site Now the reason i'm telling you this is because I want you to go there carm.org c-a-r-m dot org Look up the christian doctrine section And there's a bunch of articles i've written like 100 articles there and you can go through there and you can Read up on the trinity and who jesus is because you need to be a little bit more educated about that I'm not knocking you. I'm not you know whining or not that I just I just think that because of the kind of questions You're asking which are good questions I suspect two things one is you haven't studied quite where you need to be The other thing is that you have a good inquisitive mind and you're trying to relate things and that's a good thing And so I want you to be uh guided biblically biblically So that you get in the right direction I guess that's where i'm coming from is the biblical because he made us in his image that was the same So it's like understanding from genesis what we were That why why was what we've done? So so against god just not in him just giving the commandment but just you know What would make him go as far as to give his life?

To save us if we're in the image You know, I mean, we're we're just created because we're falling right? Okay, so in that section In that section there's a lot of information there on karm I think you might want to read through some of the article titles and read the ones that are interesting to you And do some research because you're going to need Some grounding and I can tell that there's several issues that you're going to need to work on and i'm not saying this in a Derogatory sense, but I I just want you to get grounded and there's a lot to teach But I would recommend you go to the karm website doc christian doctrine section And look through the articles and start reading on stuff and then call back in a few days and let's talk. Okay Okay. Yeah I think you need to do that. Okay, buddy Okay. All right. All right. Okay, man. We'll talk to you later buddy. Okay. All right Okay, all right, let's get on the air with bill from california bill welcome you're on the air Hello matt, how are you doing? Oh i'm hanging in there.

What do you got man? Great Uh, not much. Hey, um talking about the eucharist. How would you explain that to a catholic? That's not actual blood and body of jesus Well, uh for one thing in leviticus, let's see Let me go here, uh All right in leviticus 17, I think it's 17 is it 17 11 or is it 17 14 it says, uh, Yeah, the life is in the flesh. I've given it on the altar to make atonement for your souls for the blood there you go now verse 14 for as For the life of all flesh its blood is identified with its life Therefore i've said to the sons of israel you are not to eat the blood of any flesh That's leviticus 7 14 All right, leviticus 7 14. You're not to eat the flesh or the blood of any flesh now When I talk to them i'll say this is what the scriptures teach and now and this is leviticus 17 14 And now they're generally going to respond with well that's talking about just animals Okay, so just animals. Okay, then i'd say okay then it's okay to eat the blood of people Can you show me in a verse in the old testament where it said it's okay to drink blood of human beings?

And of course, it's just not there because the text says life of of any flesh And so you have to drink it just the jews would never drink blood of humans It was just that's that's what it was. You didn't do that So that's one point another point is real simple in the eucharist First if it's the broken body of christ when jesus instituted the lord's supper. He said that it was his body and blood How could it be that if he was sitting right there? If it's his broken body and blood, how could he be? how could that be possible since he's sitting right there and what we have to understand is that The uh that jesus as a man can only be at one place at a time and this is before the crucifixion People by definition a human being can only be one place at a time And jesus was a man. And so how could his physical body be other places? also then uh They'll say that uh, they'll say that that it's the the eucharist that jesus set up When he set it up before his crucifixion was the crucified body and blood of christ I'll say wait a minute. How's that possible? If he hadn't yet been crucified, how could it be his shed bloody and body and blood?

And they're going to come back. Well god's outside of time. He can do whatever he wants That's what they say and i'll see what does it mean to be outside of time?

You don't know Oh, then why are you using it as an excuse for something? So there's you know, I have this um on uh on karm on my cut and paste section as well as a section on um Roman Catholicism and you can go in there and you can check out some of the things that are said there Exactly, and then another question I got when I asked questions i'm gonna get bait with kathleen On facebook I go when was your sin death canceled and don't agree, you know, uh, Colossians t14 So i'll go now your whole stint that was canceled. No. No, we must cooperate So then just send that wasn't canceled Exactly, right. What was it? I go.

What is it? Is it was it fully canceled? It was just partially canceled You have to do something to cancel it. You have to obey him That's right That's what they're going to say.

There's something you've got to do and they can't answer it. No, they can't When you get that stuck, it's because your theology is simply insufficient It's just simply not good enough and that's the case. Yeah with them their their theology is bad and uh, And uh, but yeah, colossus 2 14 to me is a killer verse Because it clearly states there that he canceled these certificates of debt at the cross It's not canceled when you get baptized. It's not canceled when you believe It's canceled at the cross and so who's it canceled for?

well Can't be for those who are in hell because how could they go to hell if their sin that's canceled Yeah, that's true. It's a you know, like I said once they've always they've always given these verses like when When jesus said all the father's given to me and I lose none. That's right Jesus has the powers that given you to jesus. May I ask him has the father given you to jesus because yes I go well, then he's not going to lose you.

That's one to save all mistakes. Welcome to calvinism No, no, no, that's not that's not no. No, that's not true. We could walk away I don't want that jesus still to do the father's will then jesus. That's right.

And what verses are those i'm gonna test you with verses Oh, no on john 6 30 70 40. Oh, you're awesome buddy. Good stuff, man.

That's right Hey, there's a break. All right bill god bless man. All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

All right. Yeah, I know that guy He's a good guy. He's good. Good stuff there.

Praise god. Hey folks three open lines eight seven seven two zero seven Two zero seven two two seven six. We'll be right back after these messages It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick All right, buddy, welcome back to the show.

All right, let's get to That would be next longest waiting is heather from charlotte, north carolina heather. Welcome you're on the air Thank you. Um, first I want to say thank you for what you do. I think it's awesome Um, it's interesting because I actually came up across your website today.

I didn't even realize it was yours until just now So that's pretty interesting Oh, I have a coincidence. I have a question But I have a question Yeah, it was definitely god. Um, but I have a question because I had an encounter the other day with a new age believer And that's a huge threat to the church right now. Um, a lot of people are falling into the new age and um She believed in a lot of different things that are not biblical and I was able to show her a few scriptures Um that proved that there was one scripture in particular. I was wanting your insight on which is psalms 82 Verse six. Yeah, that's easy where it speaks about. Um, yeah, it speaks about you are gods and pantheism You know believe that we are gods and through christ consciousness. We can be a god or be christ Um, and I was wondering what you thought about that verse All right, so, uh, it also says jesus is quoting this in a pericope which is a section of scripture in john 10 30 Through 34 and he says it in verse 34.

Is it not written in your law? I said you are gods and so What he's doing there is quoting psalm 82 6 when we go to psalm 82 6 We have to understand there's a what's called an imprecatory psalm to imprecate Is to wish a curse upon So imprecatory psalms are curses Where it says things like god go get them deal with them And there are they're called imprecatory psalms So the context of psalm 82 is very important because i'm going to show you this in the scriptures there And this is what you need to do with the new agers Because what they're going to do i'm quite familiar with the new age because it was very popular in the 80s and now it's making a comeback And um, I used to deal a lot with it. I have a lot of new age information I just haven't had to unearth it in a long time, but I have volumes of stuff. I've got all kinds of stuff All right so When you're dealing with a new age what they're going to do is They're going to gather to themselves teachers to tickle their ears the second tip of the four talks about talks about And they're going to listen to whatever exalts themself They want to be divine. They think there's a divine christ consciousness They think everything's good and this is an important principle that they create their own reality Through their the cosmic consciousness and their awareness and union with that consciousness which can be achieved through meditation through uh channeling through crystals through various other means Okay, this is all the basics.

This girl actually believed in a holographic universe Yes, holographic universe and which is a projection of the divine mind And we are part of that divine mind. So therefore we can cause projections to manifest You with me? Yep all right, so When they go to verses like this Um, you need to always look at the context say where does it say that? And it's psalm 82 verse 6.

Okay. I said you're gods and all of your sons of the most high nevertheless Verse seven you will die like men and fall Like any one of the princes arise. Oh god judge the earth for it is you who possesses all the nations Now The context of the psalm it was the psalmist wrote it against the judges of israel who were wicked And it almost has been that it was like mockery against them as they were saying that they were god Exactly, that's how I interpreted it as well. I just wanted to make sure that that that was correct That's correct. You are correct. They are going to uh, The new agers are going to receive it But you need to speak the truth because isaiah 55 11 says the word of god would not come back empty without accomplishing what he desires And you can also if they're going to quote the scriptures you can also go to isaiah i'd recommend go to isaiah 43 44 and 45 because in those verses 43 10 45 44 6 44 8 45 5 you have to memorize all those but chapters 43 44 and 45 go through your bible And find the verses and underline them that says one god.

He doesn't even know of any other god there will be no god besides him And this will show through the bible that they are quoting that there's only one god And that they can't be divine. She actually was saying they were believing that That christ and jesus are two separate beings right and I showed her scriptures that says that he is the christ Right, there is exactly correct before him exactly correct that christ is a consciousness that they get in tune with Exactly, correct. Now I can give you i'm going to do this a little bit. I haven't done this in a long time with people but There are ways to undermine their foundation. They have a foundation. I spent that time explaining what the foundation is And the foundation is that they are also themselves divine this can get a little more technical But when you talk about divinity Also, you have to talk about truth and ask the question. Where does truth come from?

Ask them what truth is And if you ever can get this far what is truth and where does it come from? Because in a new ager universe truth is that which you decide to be? And that which comes from the divine mind and yet you can create your own truth So with that then is the truth that your friend new ager says Which contradicts you and your truth. Are they both true?

They will say for the most part. Yes, they're both true Because what's true for you is not necessarily true for somebody else, but they're both true. That's when you have them You say well then you are having truths that contradict each other And you have to work with this and you say so if someone contradicts what you say So if someone contradicts what you believe, but they're true, they believe it's true Then which is true? And this is where you have to divide or work with them abide in this kind of an area and Work with them it takes a little more skill and i'm not trying to get too deep here But it gets into issues of causation and the ubiquity of god's existence and the necessary precondition for intelligibility And what I mean by that is that god is all places at all time. He's a necessary precondition and since he is the one mind Then he is what is necessary to have absolute truth because if everybody is of the divine mind and we're thinking different things Then how is it we can know what truth is if they contradict each other then truth becomes unknowable Including your own new age philosophy, which means you can't know if your new age philosophy is true because it can't within it are contradictions From other people that cast doubt on the validity of new age thought You see the kind of logic that you have to go through here Oh, yes, it was it was very hard talking with her and she kept saying that um That everything is made of light and god is light Therefore god is everything and I tried to explain to her how it says that even satan will disguise himself as light Well, then one of the things you can do is take what they say and work with them so everything is light right?

Okay, so You know, uh, i'm holding in my hand, you know a uh, you know my cell phone is it light And she'll have to say well, yes it is. You see well, I don't how's it light and you just work with it explain to me How it is light? Because what is light it's a thing you see it could be broken up in different frequencies It could be broken up in different frequencies And ask you to understand a principle here that they don't make sense All you have to do is start asking questions about what they've already said and you'll have problems.

They'll have problems It's just it's very easy to do Because they're not basing their beliefs in logic or truth or fact it's in feelings and self-exaltation Okay, and this is what you got to do so everything's light, okay, what do you mean by everything's right, right? So if they say make a statement everything is light. Well, what do you mean by that?

Can you explain that I want to know what that is. What does it mean? Everything is light. You said god is light Okay, you're quoting the word of god the scriptures.

I'm glad you are and now you say that's first john four. No, he's love Anyway, god is light. I forgot what that is. But um So you say what does it mean that everything is light? If light is something that behaves like particles and waves and there's some real problems in the quantum level That you know, you could get into that. But what is it?

Well, how is a dog? or or grass or cement light And then they start they don't won't have answers You know, they might say something like well, it's the essence of light that's in them. Okay Can you explain to me how that essence of light is in them? Yeah And then they're not going to talk to you very much so you can be careful. Okay What would you say to someone who says that they are a christian? But they are stuck in the new age believed that christ and jesus are separate and that they do not believe in the trinity Then they're not christians and just tell them sorry, but you can't be considered a christian Yeah, okay Okay And uh, that that's what you had to do. You just say i'm sorry, but uh, i'm not trying to be mean But you have to understand that jesus is the christ And i've got verses on this. In fact, you can go to my section on karm and look up on christian science christian science Is the teaching that everything is of the divine consciousness and that sin is error of thought?

And so they will say that christ is a manifestation of the christ consciousness of which we can all Participate in so new age and christian sites are similar You can go through the christian science section and read and you'll see some stuff there Okay, perfect. Okay. Yeah, i'm gonna look at that.

Thank you so much You're welcome. Please call back about this. Okay Yeah, definitely. I will all right. Okay. Well god bless. All right. Thank you. Okay. God bless you. All right All right. Now let's get to carolyn from North carolina carolyn welcome here on the air Heidi, hello. I am so glad that you have a website so I can go back and and read here What's been going on here that the last couple calls have been phenomenal? Well good I got one for you.

All right Are you ready? Okay, so in first john 312 We find that cain is the son of satan Right Right, well doesn't say in it because there's a way that he could be the son of the sons of the evil one It's just a phraseology That's all it is. Nothing. He's literally, you know, where some people say that satan had relations with eve to produce king And that and they're called the keenites And that's what I was wondering about the hetero paternal super secondation That's a false teaching. It's a false teaching. Okay that that literally okay Because look it says in genesis 4-1 now the man had relations with his wife eve and he conceived gave She conceived and gave birth to cain So genesis continued in bursa Right, sorry what she had they were twins weren't they Well, it says there's the point Some people mistakenly say that satan the devil had relations sexual relations with eve to produce cain But it says right here the man had relations with eve And she conceived and gave birth to cain Genesis 4-1 are you listening to shepherd's chapel?

I actually that's where I had heard that. Okay shepherd's chapel Secondation that was from a nurse shepherd's chapel is basically a cult I've written on shepherd's chapel and i've got an open standing invitation to debate them. They've never responded I have a series of questions for them I've been i've studied them a long time ago and i'm doing so much anymore because you know the squeaky wheel against the greece But it's basically a cult. I have a lot of the newsletters. I got information for what they have said But you should not be listening.

They aren't twins though, right? No, they're not Read genesis 4 verse 1 Shepherd's chapel is teaching you false stuff read first jump. I mean genesis for one to call back tomorrow Okay, you gotta go diane from salt lake city. I'd love to talk about what you want to talk about call back tomorrow Hey everybody god bless another program powered by the truth network