Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by Truth Network. If you want to give me a call you can click on your home page and do So for the newbies, this is a Christian apologetic show. We talk about anything and everything here, mainly Christian theology, biblical theology, the person and work of Jesus Christ at Trinity, hypostatic union, communicatio idiomatum, justification, imputation, Roman Catholicism, Islam, aliens, UFOs, women, pastors and elders, all kinds of stuff. We just study, I study a lot and been doing radio for a long, long time and love answering questions and talking about all that kind of stuff.

So why don't you give me a call, 877-207-2276. Now I just want to say that some of you may be familiar with the Grace Life Church in Canada, James Coates, who had a service in spite of the ridiculous laws in Canada to not have church services. Yeah, so they had church services and he was arrested and spent a few weeks in jail, from what I understand. And then when he got out the first Sunday, they had a church service, they did it anyway. And I watched today on a video, I watched a live presentation of the breaking news. James Coates Church gated and closed in Alberta.

So apparently what happened was the government hired a fence company to put a fence around the church and hired security to be inside that perimeter of fence to prevent Christians from going into their churches. Pretty serious. It's pretty serious.

Now let me ask you a question. Do you think that's going to happen here in America? Yeah, of course it is. Do you think that when the secular leftists get in control, that they're going to play nicey-wicey with Christians and the freedom that we have and the freedom of speech and the freedom to assemble and to disagree with the law? By many names, by many different faiths, a man and a woman, close quote.

You know, what do I say? It's just, it's a blasphemy. You know, the leftist agenda does not want us in our schools or in our society to know about the Christian influence and the Christian foundation of the early foundational fathers of our country. And they've rewritten history, they've reinterpreted a lot of things, and, you know, our country is on the precipice of self-destruction. And the reason I say that is because year 2020, of course, was a bad year.

In my opinion, 2021 is going to be even worse. I've got reasons for saying that. If you want to talk about it, we can. But I believe that God's grace and staying hand is being removed from our country. There's some things I know about and heard about that are verified to be very, very disturbing.

As our leaders abandon the true, living God, as it happened in the Old Testament, Israel would abandon the true, living God. Okay. I guess we're back on. We had a little bit of a tech problem.

I don't know how much you guys heard or didn't hear, so I'll just go over it again. Grace Life Church is located in Alberta, Canada, and they put a fence around it. And they block the Christians from going into their own church. And they put armed guards inside, security inside, the gates, the police are inside and everything.

The Christians are outside and you can't get in. So I have, actually I have the video, I have a link to it. What I'm going to do, let me get that link, you can put it up on CARM during a break or something like that. I'll put it as a link and you guys can look at the video and see. Not that big a deal, but for those of you who are interested, I'll put that up during the break. I'll put it up as an article and it'll be a nothing article, just as a little bit of information and a link. So here's the thing, is this kind of oppression that happens there, it's going to happen here.

My question, I don't know if you heard this, but we had a tech issue there. Do you think that when the secular leftists gain even more control that they have now, do you think they're going to play nice with the Christians? Do you think that they're going to say, hey, you disagree with homosexuality, abortion, pornography, adultery, lying, cheating and stealing.

You guys disagree with that? Well, we're going to silence you for your conservative views. Do you think that's going to happen more than it already is happening? The answer is, of course it's going to happen more. Do you think the secularists who don't serve God, but serve their own flesh and serve the, ultimately serve the enemy of the gospel, do you think they're going to just say, hey, we want Christians to be able to have their views?

No, they're going to find ways to mask the issue and instead of having a pandemic, it'll be a plandemic. They plan it out and then to get control of people. So this is what I believe is going to happen because I know human nature, I know what the Bible says about human nature and it's not nice.

None of us are good, none of us deserve salvation and we need to be saved by nothing more than the grace of God in the work of Jesus Christ on that cross. So grace life is being walled off by two layers of security fencing and a black tarp to obscure the entrance to the church, RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police and private paladin security are here, RMCP have no documentation to present to the church regarding the closure, but are keeping members off the property. So this is important. This is in Canada and as we know, crud rolls downhill. It's coming to us. It's just going to take some time, a little bit more time and Christians, I'm telling you, don't sit idly by. Don't sit idly by. We're going to lose our rights. I've been warning people. I've been telling people this is what happens if we do nothing and we better do something. One person said in the chat room, leftists would hang us in the public square if they thought they could.

That's what one person said. I'm just reading the chat. So if you want to participate in the chats, we have a live radio show, but you can also watch online. Just go to karm.org and you'll see on the home page, you'll see the video there.

You can watch and there's a video address for Twitter and some other stuff. Anyway, four open lines, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, let's get to Jason from Iowa. Hey Jason, welcome.

You're on the air. Hi Matt. Hey. How you doing?

How's it going? You're a difficult guy to get ahold of, you know that? Every time I've called, I've either had to get off and you got your little beep line or whatever. That's because we know it's you.

I called a couple of times. I just know it's you, so I just stall. You just continue to ramble and you're like, don't you need to talk about that? That's right. That's right. Okay. No. No. So I wanted to touch base with you. Yesterday I heard your talk on the vaccines, right?

Yeah. And you were talking about like mRNA and which ones. My wife does BSN, she studied microbiology, virology, and basically the reason the mRNA is bad, first of all, they skipped human trial. So there was none of that done before the vaccine was put out and I had a video, maybe I can email it to you at info.com or info at, you know, karm.com, uh, dot org, but it was basically a, uh, published research scientist that was talking about, uh, the cause of mRNA cause it's not necessarily bad in the sense.

It's just, they did not remove certain, um, oh, I'm going to say it wrong. It's like peptide proteins or something like that. And it's essentially the base route of the vaccine. And so the way virus receptors work is it's like a flat surface with nodules that have it right. And the virus can come in, uh, attach to those receptors or those nodules and the mRNA vaccines trick your body into supposedly only producing those receptor nodules.

However, because they left the peptide proteins in from the deconstructed virus slices and somebody probably more scientific could explain this better, but it has the opportunity to change your DNA. And that's where that concern is. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is not bad. Yeah.

The J and J is what I've been hearing about is a good one. It seems to be the old style, which I'm not against vaccines, though I do suspect that my autism might be the result of vaccination. We got it in the military.

My dad was in the military. I got vaccinated up the wazoo. And so we think that might be part of it, but whatever. Um, so I'm not against vaccines, uh, just over vaccination too much, uh, too soon and too quick and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I've been hearing about the J and J. I've heard that it's, it's pretty good, but the other ones are our DNA altering and I don't want them messing with my DNA.

It's already messed up enough as it is. Right. Yeah. So the, the thing that I find interesting is what they said, like 150 million vaccines out of the J and J factory, not a single one of them has actually been accessible by the public. They've, or whatever quality control or something they've, they've, yeah, yeah, I just saw an article on it, uh, last night, this morning, something like that. So J and J is actually stepping in and they're taking complete control of their factories because I don't know if they think like somebody, you know, messing with it or just violating quality control practices, scientific practice, whatever.

That makes me nervous. No, I just thought that was interesting that you've talked about that. Yeah, it does. I mean, it's just, but you know, who knows?

So why would the one that's not DNA altering suddenly be in an X inaccessible and the DNA altering one? Yeah. Yeah.

Right. So the, the, uh, J and J, but basically it's like the, the, I don't know if the FDA like quality control issues or if it's, you know, factory quality control issues, something like that. But you know, you say something like, well, it's just the devil interfering and people are going to laugh at you. It could be, you know, well, you know what, there's so much crud going on. You don't know what to believe about anything anymore.

I mean, right. It's a conspiracy, not conspiracy, is it just legitimate oops or what, what vaccine could do this? I mean, you know, why is everyone walking around wearing face diapers when, when, uh, you know, basically we've reached herd immunity and people, but 70% of the population has already experienced, uh, COVID we're walking around. Why have masks?

We don't need them anymore. You know? Yeah.

As I, as I throw my mask on to walk into this medical building because I can't get in without it. Right. I understand that. That was my two cents. Come back. Good to talk to you. Good.

Come back and give me some three cents worth. Cause that'd be even better. And uh, your wife, your wife knows about all this genetics and stuff like this. Yeah.

Yeah. So she's a nurse. She has her RNBSN and a studied microbiology, virology. Her dad is a, um, I'd like to talk to her. He's a, I'd like to talk to her. Seriously. Give me, I mean, you know, with your permission because you're your wife, but we've got a break coming up. But I want to study this stuff for different reasons as well. Sure.

I'll see if I can find that video and send that to you too. He talks about it a lot. So. Okay buddy.

Hey, we've got a break. Okay. God bless, man. Okay. All right. Hey folks.

Three open lines. You may call me, Ray. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. This is Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show.

Everybody. We have three open lines. 877-207-2276. All right.

I said I'd do it during the break and I did. If you go to the CARM homepage, I just put a little link. You can see at the, uh, the link for the Alberta church thing, if you want to watch the video and just, you know, you can watch a few minutes of it and you can see it, I'll leave the link up for a little bit and then take it down after a while.

But there it is on the church closure, fencing it in so people can't go to church because the lame COVID restriction laws and inconsistency is attacking the conservatives. Let's get to Courtney from Ohio. Courtney, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how are you? I'm fine.

How are you? Sorry. My question doesn't have to do with that. Is that okay? Yeah, fine. We're just talking whatever. Yeah.

Okay. So I was wondering, um, was Adam a son of God? Depends what you mean by son of God, but, uh, in one sense, well, yeah, we're declared a son of God. Uh, we're the sons of God by the spirit. And um, so we would say that we're saved.

And so therefore by adoption, we're sons of God. The question then becomes, was Adam saved? And my position is, yes, he was because the pre-incarnate Christ was in the garden and shed blood animals covered with animal skins, which is atoning sacrifice. And so, uh, covered him and I would say Adam was saved. So in that sense, yes, he was a son of God. The term son of God is in reference to Christ being God in flesh.

It's also in reference to angels and in Job one, I think believe six talks about that. So, um, you know, in that sense, yes. What about, what was he before he was saved? What was Adam before he was saved? Yeah. You know, that's a good question because that's an interesting question. That's what I was referring to.

Yeah. Well, because I haven't thought about it this way, but when Adam was first created, if he'd had died right there, he'd have gone and be with the Lord because there was no sin. And so then he did sin.

So it's not an issue of salvation because salvation means to be saved from the judgment of God due to your sin. So it wouldn't apply to, to Adam before he was, uh, fallen. But after, when he was during his fallen state, it would seem as though he is interesting question to think about that. Um, it seems as though he would have been lost that if he'd had died, maybe he would have gone to hell, but, uh, the Lord stepped in and atoned for him, made a sacrifice. And so then he was okay. So before that happened, like you were saying, when, before he did sin, what was he? He was, he was, he was in a state of righteousness. He had not done anything wrong. So he was okay.

Yeah. But he wouldn't have been, cause I was just wondering, was he a child of God then? I mean, he definitely was.

Well, it depends. It depends on how we define the term child of God. Because if it means by adoption, you know, after the resurrection of Christ, it wouldn't work, but if, you know, a child of God in the sense that he's the offspring of God in a generic metaphor, then yes, cause it's used in different ways, you know, and he's received him to them, it became the right to be called the children of God. You know, John 1 12 talks about that. So and did Adam receive the sacrifice? So it would seem to be the case that he did because it was applied to him.

So then in that sense, would he be a child of God? So it's a good question. You know, it's something to think about. Yeah. Cool. And like, if I could add on to that, I don't know if you have lots of people behind me.

Just one person waiting, three open lines, folks, give me a call, 877-207-2276. Okay. Go ahead.

Okay. So I was just going to say, like a question to go with that, that I heard a pastor say this and I didn't agree with it, that he said that it wasn't God that did the sacrifice for Adam. It was Adam himself. And I was like, I think Genesis 3 21 specifically says that God did it, like did the sacrifice. Yeah.

Let me go to that verse and get rid of that right there. Then the Lord made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. Yeah. So it was the Lord who did it. Yeah.

It wouldn't be Adam. I heard him say that, I was like, that can't, I mean, I, the way I interpret that, he, God literally was the one that did it. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's all you can do is you can go through what it says. So I don't know where that guy got that information, but it wasn't, it's not in scripture. Okay. Okay. And, and thanks for the help with the first question too, because I've, I've wondered about that before.

I'm like, was he considered a child of God? But okay. Yeah, that helped.

Yeah. You're welcome very much. All right. Okay. Thanks.

I'll let you go to your next caller. All right. Okay. Bye bye. Thanks.

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877-207-2276. Let's get to Martin from Virginia. Martin, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey Matt. How are you doing?

Doing all right by God's grace. What do you got buddy? Good. Good. Good. First time caller. Long time listener. Haven't been online with your, uh, forum yet, but I, I'm planning on getting online there soon. Yeah.

There's a good bunch of people, like 50 people there right now. Wow. Well, nice.

Nice. So I think it's first Corinthians, it's the very end there where, um, I'm talking about the wealthy or the rich. I just want to get your thoughts on that.

I think it was like the last, the very last, um, handful of, uh, I think it's first Corinthians, might be second Corinthians, but I think it's first. And what's the context? What's it about? About the wealthy or the rich, I think.

About having money and whether we should or should not, that kind of thing. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking one thing and then I read the side notes and the side notes kind of led me to a different ending, but just want to get your thoughts. Well, you know, is it okay to have money?

I think it's the, the, the issue is okay to be a millionaire as a Christian. Absolutely. Yes. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you can't, I mean, you can't help it.

You have God given talent. That's why I'm not rich, depending on where you live, you know, I mean, I'm sure you're not gutter poor. A lot of you listeners might not be either, but you know, that, that's not a sin, obviously.

I don't believe it. Right. Having lots of money is fine. You can get lots of money, you know, make more money so that you can support ministry so that you can tithe and support the work of God. That would be the reason, the primary reason to make money.

You want to provide for your family and you want to provide work for other people, if that's possible. And, uh, you know, to be able to tithe and support it, that's it. God gives us, you know, there's a verse, first Corinthians, so does it, uh, no chronicles at 19, 20, 21, 19.

I forgot. And it says, they're building a temple that says it's from your hand, Lord, that we give back to you. And I love that because it's, that's true. We want to give back and, and what God has given us. So if you have a lot of money, then support us, you know, I mean us, but I mean, you know, support ministries and stuff like that.

And tithe. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You know, I believe that. I mean, God, I mean, God gets slow, seen and unseen and it's, it's, you know, it's good to pay a lot forward and a lot back, so. Right. Right. And you know, there's things, different things that people can do to help other people. You don't have to just tithe at a church.

In fact, we get back, I'll tell you some other options you can do, but I think the church is very good, but we can talk about some other things too. Hold on. Okay.

Martin. All right. Yeah, you bet. All right. Hey folks, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. We had a little tech problem during the break.

It's kind of a convenient time to do it. We booted the ComRex back on, so I hope everything's okay. All right.

And for the people in the chat room who panicked because the sound went dead, everything's all right. So let's get back on the line with Martin from Virginia. All right. You there? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm here. Okay. Yeah.

It's kind of sad to hear about the Canadian church there getting kind of gated in there. You're right. And it's good hearing you offer up the sentinel call that it's coming. It's coming. Just be prepared and be prepared to fight it. We need an organization here to be organized and fight.

A lot of people don't understand something. In every single world war that America's been in, there's always been POWs who've escaped except for one war we were in, and that was the Korean War. And that was because what the Koreans did is they simply took out the leaders or moved them. And then everybody was just a bunch of sheep and they didn't know what to do, didn't organize. So what's happening in a sense, the conservatives are being ousted and are not allowed to rally the troops, so to speak. This is one of the ploys that the secular left is using as a silenced conservative so we can't get organized. So we need to be organized in order to fight against the onslaught of secularism. A lot of people are going to think that, Matt, your job as a theologian, you should be talking about this kind of stuff. Well, that's wrong because theologically we're to be involved in every area of life. This is what the Bible tells us to do, make disciples of all nations, so all nations, Jesus is Lord over every bit of life, not just church life on your Sunday morning. So we Christians are obligated to do, not just pray, but to pray and do. I have a saying, trust and go. You trust God, you pray, you work, pray and go.

Go do. And God opens the doors for those who do something. So that's what we're supposed to be doing. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You got to have that faith.

You're saved by faith and through God's grace. And if you have the works to back it up, I mean, it's hard to have works when you don't have the faith. Yeah. So yeah, the pray and do kind of falls in that line. That's right.

Well, let me get a quick example of it because years ago I was my roommate before I got married and supposed to go to a Christian science lecture and pass out literature against Christian science because it's not Christian cult. This is Southern California. And I forgot to get the address in a city called Tustin and we lived in Anaheim, which is where Disneyland is. Anyway, so I said, you know what? I'm going to go anyway. I'm going to trust God and I'm going to get in the car. I'm going to go down there and see if I can find 150,000 people in a city. I'm going to see if I can find the one small building they're having a meeting at.

And my roommate said, well, I'll go with you. And long story short, we actually found the place very quickly, even before they got out. And it was just weird how things happened, but I told the story before, but the point is you know, if you're not trusting God and going, the miraculous things don't happen. And then people say, well, I'm not going to do anything because the miraculous didn't happen. That's because you're not doing anything.

The spirit's strong, the spirit's out there, you just got to connect with it and pray hard and trust. That's right. That's right. Okay, Matt.

I know you got another caller. Thank you. Oh, okay. All right, buddy. All right.

God bless. You guys are going to say some of the other ways to help people out is you can go pay people's bills. You know, say there's a mom who doesn't have, you know, she's working two jobs trying to make ends meet and you know, you just go pay a bill that she's got, you know, things like that. You know, there's things that people can do and it can be imaginative in all kinds of ways of helping people out.

We talked about that before the break and different ways to help. All right. Anyway, let's get to Danny from Richmond, Virginia. Danny, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Matt. How you doing? Doing all right.

Barely surviving. I've been listening to you talking about the COVID shots the last couple of nights. And you don't seem to be aware that the Johnson and Johnson shot, I believe, was developed by some cell lines from a board of state. You know, I'd heard that and I have to research it. There's an ethical issue there because what I'd heard was that the cells that they used are from like the 60s or the 70s and they've been growing them and distributing them. And that's one of the things I'd heard. There was a woman who had a tumor of some sort, this is so vague, but I remember and they grew this tumor.

She passed away. They grew this tumor and it was distributed around the country because it has certain properties that they run tests on and it helps with vaccines or whatever it is that you do. So what do you do? The Nazis, for example, they experimented on the Jews and they gained a lot of medical information. So what do you do?

Do you use that medical information they used? They gained from that kind of stuff or do you not? If you don't, then people won't get saved as much, it helped.

Yet if you do, they're benefiting from the torture of other people. So what do you do? And these are questions that ethicists have to deal with and the scriptures don't tell us exactly what to do in those kind of cases.

So the J and J, I've got to research, I've got to find out more and see. And then I have to talk to some other theologians about this because my initial reaction is I want nothing to do with it if it's from sacrifice to babies. And so then what? And then what do you do if they start saying you can't buy or sell if you don't have your vaccination passport? So I would rather, if I had my druthers, I'd rather have a DNA altering one than using one that used to sacrifice baby cells. But then we're just being put between a rock and a hard place and this is the way the secularist organization is. But you know what's going to happen is people are going to have underground vaccine passports that you can get. It's going to happen. Well, the Biden administration came out yesterday saying they're not in favor of that.

Well, they're not in favor of the passport thing, the requirement. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Get your papers.

The US Secretary announced that. Yeah. Well, you know, my parents, I wanted to know. My parents said something. Yeah, I do. My parents said something very interesting.

They told me, because my dad was in World War II, my mom worked on B-17 wings in a factory, and they said that Social Security was developed during the war to help fund the war effort and it was promised that it would only be temporary and Social Security numbers and all that stuff. And here we are. Now we have to have this to do everything. So when they get power, they don't give it up. When they get control, they don't give it up.

And I'm really worried. See, I'm a pessimist when it comes to human nature, because I believe what the Bible says. That's it. Absolutely. I believe what the Bible says. I don't trust people unless they love Jesus and are willing to die for Jesus.

They don't trust you. Okay. But other than that. Amen. That's right.

It's all cause. Amen. Okay.

So you personally would stay away from the J and J side as well right now, right? Right now, from what I understand, I would, from what you said, you reminded me about that. But I got to find out more, so, you know, I don't need a vaccine. I've had COVID, okay. I had it. So why do I need a vaccine? My immunity's in place.

So there you go. Well, I haven't had it. I'm 69 years old. I'm not that concerned about it. I never had it.

Yeah, I'm 64. I don't even see a reason to have the vaccine. To have it. Yeah, you don't need it. I don't know.

It has a 99.75 survival rate. Yeah. That's right, and you may have already had it and not even know it. Okay. That's not very possible. Yeah, absolutely.

But if you're really obstreperous and irritating like me, then the germs don't fight you as much. I might be just as ornery as you will. Maybe. Maybe.

My wife would probably shake her head right now. Not the case. So who knows? Well, thank you, Matt. All right. All right.

Well, God bless. Okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Bye.

All right. Let's get to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Very interesting COVID conversation there. Yes. Yeah.

It's kind of crazy. I don't even think a lot of people are aware. That's not my question, so I'll get to my questions in a second, but I couldn't help but kind of interjecting or piggyback onto that conversation, but I don't know if you've heard of Dr. James Lyons Weller, a prominent scientist who petitioned the FDA to remove the dangerous epitopes out of these vaccines, all of these vaccines, and the FDA, it fell on deaf ears basically. So not a lot of people realize that, number one, the vaccine is approved for use, but it has not been approved by the FDA. It's two separate things. And then the dangerous epitopes that are actually in the vaccines, you can look that up, it's all facts.

They've not been removed. They skipped the pathogenic priming phase, which is the clinical trials using animals. That's a critical phase they skipped in the vaccines to rush them to market. So there's a lot of things that people aren't educated about, and it's kind of scary, and I don't think it's about a vaccine anyway.

I think they're leveraging this birth control, et cetera. But anyway, I'll get to my question now, which is last week, I heard you saying that Satan was bound, and I guess I got a little confused as I started thinking about Jesus and when he was tempted. Hold on, we've got a break. Hold on. Okay. Okay, we'll get to this.

I love what you said before. So we'll get back to this because it's the good stuff. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages to open lines 877-207-2276, be right back.

By the way, I just remembered something. We have a prayer ministry, and if you need prayer, if you need prayer for anything, just email us, prayeratkarm.org, and we have a prayer team that'll take up your prayers and pray for you. All right?

Prayeratkarm.org. Let's get to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, welcome.

You're on the air again. Hey Matt, yeah, so my question is this. I recall you last week saying that Satan was bound, but I was a little confused because when he appeared to Christ and tempted him, was that just allowed? Was he not bound then, or I guess the better question would be is when was he bound? I don't know exactly when he was bound, but Jesus says in Matthew 12, 22-32 that in order to cast out demons, the strong man, Satan, has to be bound. Well, Jesus was casting out demons, so he had to be bound. That's the logic. Could that have been a temporary constraint on Satan long enough to cast the demons out of his element, or no? It says a strong man has to be bound.

That's what it says. Jesus said that. And so, and then again, here's another question. What does it mean for him to be bound? Because I heard one commentator say, you can bind a dog on a long leash, and he's so to speak bound to a certain area, but he's still free in that area. And so, what does it mean for Satan to be bound? And I don't have the answer, any more than I have the answer, what does it mean to be outside of time?

I have no idea. So, the Bible doesn't tell us. Does it mean he can't do anything? Not necessarily. You know, does it mean the demonic forces can't do anything if Satan's bound? Not necessarily. Obviously, yeah, because he can carry out certain things, for sure.

Okay, cool. And so, some people think, well, and I think this is, even though I'm on mill, I think the pre-mill position comes up a little bit stronger on this issue, in that if Satan's bound during a millennial reign, a livable thousand-year reign, then he can't do anything, and everything's happy, and you know, we have blue skies all the time. That would make sense. But if Satan's bound during that time, does that mean all the demonic realm is bound also? Because it only says Satan's bound, so then the pre-mill position doesn't go with that. Doesn't seem like it, does it? It doesn't now. So some in the amil camp say that Satan's been let loose because they view the millennium as a figurative length of time, because it's the context that's used in Revelation 20, figurative use, and so they think, some say, hey, it looks like he might have been let loose a hundred or so years ago.

World War I, World War II, you know, famines, plagues, earthquakes, rain, cats and dogs, and so some people think that's probably what's happened, as things are getting worse and worse faster and faster, so, but, you know, I don't know, I don't know for sure. Yeah, that's interesting. Interesting points. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Love your ministry.

Yeah. Oh, thanks. Appreciate it, buddy. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Bob from Salt Lake City. Bob, welcome.

You're on the air. Oh, hi. I have a question for you. So I was interested in the church being locked out, and I was thinking about John Whitefield, how they had, like, Puritans and Quakers and Protestants, and somehow John Whitefield was able to get all these colonies united together to make the United States, so each colony became a state, and so I was thinking it was going to save...

It wasn't Whitefield that did that. But he was an incredibly good creature, but he was involved with a lot of stuff, but anyway, go ahead. Yeah. Anyway, so I think it's, anyway, whoever it was got all these religions to unite together, and so how they were able to put their religion together to make the United States out of these colonies. Anyway, so I thought it was good thought that we would be able to unite, but then I got thinking about another guy that was a wrestler up by Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and, like, you were talking about these churches being locked out, I thought, you know, you've got, like, three, four hundred, five hundred, six people going to church, but what he would do, he still has people going to church, but what he does, he puts people, like, in groups of five or six families, and they show them how to preach the gospel to one another and how to learn the gospel, and when they go to this church, they basically start off thinking about themselves, because when they become mature enough to start thinking about others, then they set them loose to start their own organization with another four or five families, and now he's got eight thousand people up there in some little small town in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho that like going to church, so I thought, I think we should do that, you know, if we can't go to church, then we should put ourselves in small groups. What do you think? Oh yeah, I agree with it.

I totally agree with that. In fact, I was thinking, what they could do, if I was the pastor of that church up there, one of the things I'd be thinking about doing is they've got the fence around the church, everybody, what we're going to do is Sunday, we're going to have a church service out in the field, and everybody bring a chair, and I'm going to get a loud speaker, and I'm going to stand on top of a car or back of a truck, and we'll preach a sermon, we're going to have a service there, and preach it loud enough so that the security people can hear the gospel being preached, because we don't need a church, you don't need a building, we can preach anywhere, but then what they'll probably do in Canada is, sorry, a decibel problem, hurting the centipedes five blocks away, who knows what they're going to come up with, you know, leftist wacko morons. So if I read this one book, it's about women, and it tells women like in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Russia, where they were determined to preach the gospel, they'd go from town to town, organize small little groups of where they went, and I thought that was pretty cool, they'd be beaten for their faith, and they'd be thrown in jail since they got out, they'd be going back to these small little towns, that's amazing. Oh yeah, in fact, in some countries, if you become a Christian, you expect to be killed within ten years. Some countries, you expect you will be tortured and or murdered for your faith.

I heard a story once about, I think it was in Korea, but I don't know for sure, one of those, at any rate, probably wrong, but at any rate, it doesn't matter, where the bad guys found an underground church, and they had everybody outside, and they got some sewage, human sewage, out of an area, and they gave a cup to the pastor that says, you drink this, and we'll let your people go, and he drank it. This kind of stuff, you know, we've got a lot to be thankful for in America that we're not persecuted like people are all over the world. The way of faith is to pick up the cross and to fall after Christ, and most Christians in countries around the world through history have been persecuted, and we need to stand up for the rights that we have and stand up for Jesus, the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the freedom to preach that gospel. That's what we need to do as Christians, okay? I agree with you. All right. Thank you. All right, buddy.

Okay, well, God bless. Bye. Let's get to Mary from Des Moines, Iowa. Mary, welcome. You're on the air. Hi. Thanks. Can you hear me?

Yes, I can. Loud and clear. Well, shalom. And my question involves, in Genesis, and I forget where, but both Isaac and Abraham when they were going, Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac. Genesis 22. Isaac said, where is the lamb? And then Abraham said, God will provide a lamb, so they both said lamb. And then John the Baptist referred to the Lamb of God, and in Revelation, Jesus is seen as the lamb that was slain. However, God provided the lamb. And I don't know what the Jewish people would have thought of that, but I'm thinking, what should I, as a New Testament person, understand about that? And the only guess would be in Corinthians somewhere, I think Paul said, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. And so, would that ram mean God himself?

Okay, well, you're saying a lot of things, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Okay, my question is, what do you understand God provided the ram rather than a lamb? Oh, it was just that God provided the sacrifice. In Exodus 20, because it's a typological representation of Jesus, because Abraham is the Father and Isaac is the Son, and Abraham, I mean, Isaac took wood up on his back of the hill, as did Jesus.

Yeah, I know, I know all that. What I didn't understand was both Isaac and Abraham said just before they were expecting a lamb. Yeah, it says God will provide for herself the lamb. And their return to the lamb and the Passover lamb, so I'm wondering why it wasn't a lamb in the thicket instead of a ram.

It's got to mean something, and I'm just wondering what it means. Because in Genesis 22, 8, that's a good question, let me look at it, I think I know what the answer is. You get lamb for the bird's offering, and it bound Isaac, top of the wood, night's lay of the sun, lamb that raises eyebrows behold a ram.

And thirty- Yeah, that's my question. Why would God provide a ram instead of a lamb when everybody, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, was thinking about a lamb, and that's what Jesus is, our Passover lamb. Yeah, that's a good question. My guess was, because of what Paul said in Corinthians, he said God was in Christ reconciling himself to the world, and so a ram is a mature lamb, so I thought maybe that represented God, but I don't know what it would have represented to the Jewish people, but I just wondered what people that discussed these things from the New Testament point of view might have been.

Well, what I was going to say is, it looks like the lamb, it's just a young form of the ram, it was the same kind of an animal that was offered, and I could do some research on it and see any particular relationship there, but that's what it looks like, just like you said. Okay. And the other thing was, I just wanted to share, I don't know if you've ever heard this try to talk on Iowa Public Radio, but he has scientists on it, it was a lady scientist, and early on, I thought she said, and I'm not sure, and I really prefer people to have a reference when they say something, but you might want to check on this, that when you have a shot or COVID, you're not automatically immune.

There are other types of COVID, so you can still get that, and I'm not sure, but I think even if you've had COVID or a shot, you can still be a carrier, so you might want to check that out, because I keep hearing you say that you've had COVID and you're okay. Yeah, for different things. I've got to go on the CDC website and read up on it and see what they say, but I've got so much research to do, I'm reading books on, I started my second book on quantum mechanics in the past week, and studying that, and that's at night when I go to bed. Okay, get your rest, I heard that God designed our bodies between 10 and midnight, that our lymph system washes our brain, and so now I want to be in bed by 10, and God's washing my brain as well as washing us with the word, so there you go.

I don't know if that's true, but you can check that out too. Okay, I'll see you along. Well, you have trouble sleeping. Yeah.

Okay, well thanks a lot, appreciate that. Bye. All right, okay, wow, interesting topics lately, huh?

So we have no callers waiting. So folks, just to remind you that we're going to Israel next year, if you are curious and you want to attend with us, all you've got to do is go to karmisrael.com, C-A-R-M, karmisrael.com, and you can check it out, and we do appreciate that. We are working on the schools, that's coming up too, and as usual, we have lots of topics to talk about. So if you have other topics you want to talk about, all you've got to do is call us tomorrow and we can blab. And yes, we've got to talk about COVID, so if you know the links and particular information that might be necessary or relevant to the topics we've been discussing lately, send it to me at info at karm.org, because I'm always looking for new information, and when I collect it and then when I do a research project, I open up all that information and go for it. Wow, a lot of stuff. May the Lord bless you, and by His grace, we'll be back on the air tomorrow, and hopefully we'll talk to you then. So God bless everybody. Have a great night.