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Matt Slick live. I will go into discord and as it happened last night I was there and For almost four hours just answered questions, and I had the privilege of being able to preach the gospel And I just want to you know just just ask that you would pray about what I do there Because it's kind of an odd. Oh boy better yawn. Oh there we go It's kind of an odd thing There'd be 30 40 50 people in a room and one guy a Roman Catholic Nice enough guy he actually filters through the questions from people and then gives them to me one at a time And I answer questions, and I'll do 3040 questions an hour sometimes This depends and sometimes we have little discussions debates disagreements and things like that But you can check that out if you're ever interested in at some time discord.com And I'm in there right now in the karm server in a radio show area no big deal and if You are interested in checking out an Israel trip We're trying to go on all you gotta do is go to karm israel.com one word and It'll forward you to another Site and from there. Well. You know you can you can check it out the information We're gonna see how many people are are interested.

We do have some people who? Let's see Okay, oh, okay good. I'm gonna invite to I just saw an invite to be on Yeah on the Trinity channel comms a TV thing and I'm gonna do that, okay Well, I think a lot of stuff happening a lot of stuff happening to open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six why don't we just jump right on and Let's get to Goran Goran from Florida that I said this before you call before that's a Klingon guy. You know out of Star Trek Probably never heard that yes Alright now.

What do you got buddy? Yes? Thank you. Thank you for taking my call as always so revelations chapter 21 verse 1 Okay, but the Apostle John says and I saw a new heaven and new earth The word heaven there is he describing the the the sky the expanse Or is he talking about heaven where God resides? probably It's a new heaven and a new earth.

It's probably talking about the stars and the earth The the first and second level of heavens because in Jewish cosmology there's three heavens One is the earth You know the sky You know the birds are and the wind and the clouds are the second one was the moon and the stars The Sun and the third is doing place of God, so it most probably is the the first two And gotcha okay, that's it very simple, and that's good. Thank you that gives me much to think about sir God bless you brother Matt. Thank you for that debate. You did recently to the Was it a guy who called himself with a snake guy? Yes?

Yes? That was so good. You were very that was so good Yeah, yeah, he Man, he did not do well at all. He did not yeah I'm gonna actually do a patreon video tonight going over that debate But uh yeah Well, I'm glad you watched and you know some debates go like that and sometimes the base don't like paper is yeah I think you know brother Matt. I loved how you told him the truth like you need to study more And I hope that God uses that to really cause him to study more to understand What it is actually that the Christian worldview is and my hope is that when he's studying that? That God will grant him repentance and faith, and he'll come to see the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ that he loves him And that all of this is Logical that it makes sense. I'll pray for him, and I would actually do the same Yeah, I did pray for him before our debate before encounter But as often as the case would meet atheists They think they know Christian theology, and they don't and was really evident in that debate He was attacking something and didn't understand it that last night The I was having a pretty good discussion debates with a pretty knowledgeable atheist and He kept to bring up the God concept, and I finally said to him dude.

What are you talking about? What is this God concept? You've got I said I don't believe in a God concept I believe in the Trinitarian God revealed in the scriptures So why don't you argue with me about the Trinitarian God instead of just bring up the God concept I said You haven't even defined what God it is concept.

You're talking about and he wouldn't even do that. He would even define it So you know the atheist I find Not all they're arrogant, but you know they're they're they're self-deceived and within I talked to this guy last night And I asked him is it possible you could be self-deceived about a few things He took that as an offense as though he couldn't be self-deceived. It was just they're ridiculous It's ridiculous.

How so many of them are they don't want to study. They don't understand what they criticize You know it's just ridiculous, and you know brother Matt before I go I love what you did in this regard you use the three aspects of apologetics apologetics as proof You provided him evidence you took him to Thomas like look we have evidence It's not just blind faith, and then I love how you went to apologetics as defense you answered his objections Some that he had some were not even valid, and then you went apologetics as offense you attacked his world view His foolishness, and I just you're very good I've seen some other apologetics that don't use all three of those aspects And I feel like if you're going to apologetics you have to use maybe you're focusing on one more than the other But all three comprise apologists, so you do that very well, and it teaches me as I watch Oh, but again the great job seriously. I love you brother. You're a blessing Well give God the glory because hey man because I'm a man who was saved out of porn the occult Foul this and that fornication I was a man wallowing in sin and rebellion and God saved me so Praise God he gets all the glory That's a man brother. Hey, man. God bless you sir. Thank you for taking my call. Hey. God bless buddy.

God bless All right, so folks we have two open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two Seven six we lost oh, maybe they hit the right button that might help eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Kelly from Los Angeles you're on the air Hey, Matt. All right, so my question is Where do I start with this? I want to make it short I'm going to start with okay, so someone a trusted elder in the face told me say you know you shouldn't let people know Your political stance because you could very well lose your witness to them He said they may not want to hear about Jesus Christ Because of because of your political stance, but my thought after that was is that what does my political stance? Have to do with someone accepting the gift of Christ I mean either you're being brought to salvation or you're not either you're coming to be a part of the elect Or you're not you know no man can come to the father Unless the father who sent for me who fit me sent for them So I'm thinking like what is my political stance have to do with you wanting to get the salvation am I wrong in that can I? Really lose my witness Well, let's just say that The the what the Bible said I'm gonna read you some verse about what the Bible says okay, and okay? So this is a Colossians 4 verses 5 and 6 conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders Making the most of the opportunity let your speech always be with grace as those seasoned with salt so that you may know How you should respond to each person and then 2nd Timothy 2 20? 24 And 25 says the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome But be kind to all able to teach patient when wronged with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition if perchance God may grant them Repentance leaving the null to the truth, so what we're called to do is to be smart and be wise in our witness so So here's an example of something where I go and when I in the evenings two or three times a week I'll go in usually there's a transgender person in the room Who goes by the name Brenda?

So what I do is is I talk respectfully to that person and Over the months believe it or not that person and I Have come to a few agreements, and we kind of defend each other a little bit It's a weird kind of a thing all right and what I'm trying to do is not manipulate But be wise not close a door and start condemning right away. Well. What do we do about a politics if someone lets hypothetically says Absolutely hates Trump. Just let's just say Trump is the worst. Let's just say well. I'm not gonna bring it up My concerns about Jesus it doesn't mean well.

I can just say what I want. I have to worry about it It's not like that. We have to be careful God ordains the the means as well as the ends And we need to be wise when we witness to people so I'm not gonna go into you know a church a place full of Samoans and Then say Samoa was a stupid country and you're all morons, and then I'm gonna tell you about Jesus now If I make it out of there in one piece You know obviously right an exaggerating, but you get the point so we want to not needlessly offend And so it just depends sometimes. It is good to bring it up sometimes. It's not just depends, okay Got it got it, so I use grace and just use wisdom. Thank you, man I'm not see I like the way you broke that down because I can understand that when you took it to those scriptures And now and you gave me a scenario now.

It's it's clear of how I should handle those situations And now it makes a lot more sense. Thank you, man. I can always trust a guy named Matt on the radio named Flick We gotta talk we've definitely got to talk about that yeah All right, thank you again Matt.

God bless you too. God bless All right Yes, folks if you're a newbie listener my real name is Matt slick. It's on my birth certificate and passport and everything Alright, let's get on the phones with Michael from Utah.

Hey Michael welcome. You're on the air. How's it going? Oh, it's going buddy. I'm hanging in there. What do you got now?

Yes, I had a question today. I was on a chat with a couple people and That we had some discernment over Sinful nature and someone was debating whether they were saying when you were born again Christian that uh you there's you no longer Can commit sin and that you're no longer able to be sinful, but I told them that you know you're you're still We're still in our flesh, so you can still sin, but I told him that you know our spirit is saved And that's sinless through Jesus Christ and of course we still want to obey You know the commandment, but that doesn't he was saying well If you're pretty much sinless once you're saved, but I I you know I was a little confused on Well sometimes some some people who don't have alderpaws in the litter box will say that once they get saved Then they don't sin ever anymore, and I remember talking to some people about that. That's it How long has been since you've saved?

Oh, I don't know it's been years Since I percent so we're gonna break a couple come back and we'll address this in a little bit, okay, all right Hey folks we have one open line if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six We'll be right back you It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick Alright welcome back to the show everyone. Let's get back on the air with Michael all right so Sinless perfectionism, it's a problem within the Christian church And it's usually held by arrogant people who think that they're good enough to satisfy God completely and that they can keep the law and do things as well as Jesus did and therefore never sin once they've been saved so yeah They have as I like to say you know they don't that they don't have all their paws and litter box They're their check engine lights been on too long. You know just up like okay I definitely was interested in that just because I'm pretty sure Paul has a letter where he talks about you know Seeing that he was a Pharisee the Pharisee ascribes ascribing you know he met everything at every law But he said he threw that all away as dung right, and I'm saying that because you know you're Sanctified in Christ, but that doesn't mean that you know you still don't commit inflammation your flesh Yeah, we still fail and make mistakes, and that's just the way it is as Christians and Paul talked about that in Romans chapter 7 verses 18 to 25 You can read that and see how he was struggling so the people who hold that view was called sinless perfectionism They just you know Write that down Okay Alright, I think the only thing that's interesting about that is definitely I mean the only sinless person would be Jesus Christ well Well the Catholics like to say that Mary was also sinless why because she was full of grace Out of Luke 128 which is not what it says there, but it does say that Yeah, but she was still born a human human being so she would be still born in sin.

She was a sinner Yeah, all right. Well. Well. I appreciate a lot. Thank you very much for clarifying that all right well. God bless man. God bless Yeah, you too. All right.

Let's get on the phones With next longest is Roger from Salt Lake City Hey Roger welcome. Hi Hi, how are you? I'm okay.

How are you? I've talked to you before it's been a few years ago There's a gentleman that used to have a show here, and he I recently tuned in he kind of switched his Approach here, and he's teaching preterism and full or partial. I'm wondering Full preterism he's teaching full preterism. He's teaching that Everything's been fulfilled And that nobody goes to hell anymore statements inbound And I picked this up on one of his He's on a different format. He used to have a TV show he's on the he's on the internet now Who's that? That's got to be Sean McCraney Yeah, that's him.

Yeah. Yeah, I know Sean We've met and talked many times and Sean has moved into heresy He's writing his own Bible as a matter of fact. He's correcting the Bible modifying it Full preterism is refuted by Acts chapter 1 verses 9 through 11 and where it says there that Jesus will return in the same way that he went up with the heavens physically They didn't return in 70 AD and the armies of Jerusalem of Rome that sacked Jerusalem So full preterism just doesn't hold water in that respect But the partial preterism is acceptable.

It's within the bounds of orthodoxy, but full preterism is not because it clearly connected scripture and Sean McCraney though. He's good with Mormonism Let's just say that you shouldn't really listen to him anymore Because he's espousing heresies. Okay.

He's been warned by many people. Okay. All right Okay. All right. Well, I thank you for that. I love your show and keep up the good work Matt. All right, man Well, god bless. Thanks. All right Okay, let's come the phones with Tom from Florida Tom. Welcome.

You are on the air Hey Matt, how's your week been Oh hectic busy little bothersome a little annoying and And then some good parts much. I was been Thanks for taking my question I have a family member I apologize in advance if my If you're here in my car can't help that. Okay. I have a family member who is Lived with his girlfriend. They've been living together for like five or six years and he says that they are married They're shacking up.

They've never been before church or before the state. He just said that Because he is laid with her, you know that that makes him hurt his wife and He's my wife's father and so he wants my He wants your what my daughter to call him his girlfriend the Grandmother of the child. Okay. I don't know if you follow that.

Yeah. No, I'm not married. He's not married and you just tell him if Relations means you're married than any guy who goes with a woman of the night that is automatically married All the people who fornicate all around all over the place are automatically married to each other.

That is wrong You just need to tell them no, that's not correct. You are in sin I need to repent and my child will not call her grandmother because she's not What biblical passages can I use for that again Well, you want to go through the issue with marriages aren't heavy top the top of my head But go to Carm and look up and just type in the word marriage And what you'll find is that Jesus talks about marriage joining a man and a woman and we'll be Understand marriage to be is a covenant And a covenant is a an agreement. So for example when my wife and I got married we stood together in front of a minister and We stood before people and then we promised before people and before God and to each other that we would be bound together and that we would be faithful to each other and exclude others from certain aspects of our relationship and This is what marriage is. It's a a covenant and then we have a covenant sign, which is a ring So ask him did you? Go through the covenant promise of being bound to each other because that's what marriage is. Otherwise, it's just called fornication Have you done that and you have rings are these rings there as a symbol of your public covenant? Before God and before people and he'll say well no they do wear a ring Well, they can they can wear them doesn't mean they're married.

Okay, so they've not gone through the ceremony They've not publicly declared their dedication to each other And if he wants to say they're married and just say look go do it go officially get married Go do it If it's a problem, but if you say you don't want to then that means you don't want to get married It means you're not you have a problem. All right, I haven't call in the show and I can talk to him. All right Thank you.

Thank you, sir. And that stems from his view of the church He also believes that the way church is done today is completely unbiblical that it should only be done with small people within home So he thinks that the whole church system is corrupt and that it's not in any way biblical. So I think that I think that is Not wanting to go to a church yet.

Mary is a stemming from his beliefs on the church Yeah, he don't know what he's talking about Because the the early church met in buildings and synagogues because the it worship on Saturday and The church often would go in there on a Sunday and have other beating meetings They even went to the upper room, but they had a meeting in an upper room in Acts chapter 2 So Brian, he does not know what he's talking about. Okay Okay, buddy. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. Hey folks. We have three open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two Seven six right back You It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six is Matt slick All right, welcome back everybody if you want to give me a call We have three open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Let's get a Dave from Kansas City Dave.

You're on the air Thank you for taking my call. Sure. I have a question about the judgment of Christ. I would looking in Hebrews Looking at Hebrews the writer Hebrews says In chapter 10 verse 17 their sins and lawless acts. I will remember no more And then of course Psalms 103 it says as far as the east is From the West so far as he removed our transgressions from us Which I assume still applies to us in the New Testament that he's just removed them as far as the east is to the West Yet in the judgment seat of Christ, it says we will receive whatever we deserve good or bad We've done in this earthly body And in Corinthians and in Romans and again, it talks about the judgment seat of Christ I'm being judged for what you so I'm just kind of trying to reconcile how could God forget about him? But then bring him up again. It doesn't say he forgot God doesn't forget that I remembered it more Yeah, but that's not forgetting Remembering is an active thing that you choose to do so you can remember where you put your car keys You can say oh, that's right over there. But if you forget where you put your car keys, uh, I don't what happened So remembering and forgetting are different remembering is active and forgetting is passive So they are different. So God doesn't remember them.

He doesn't bring them up anymore So on the day of judgment, we're gonna have to face God for what we did and did not do in righteousness Before him he gives everybody gifts everybody every Christian has giftings and we're to use those giftings according to the will of God for the edification of the Bible of the church witnessing raising families, whatever it might be and a lot of Christians are just Taking their gifts and just tossing by the wayside not really doing anything with them And so there's gonna be reward and loss of reward in heaven for the believers But he won't God will not judge us in that We do from our sin because our sin is is gone Okay, it's canceled on the cross to Colossians 2 14. So it's a different thing that makes sense Yeah, okay. Well, thank you very much Okay. Well, you're welcome All right. God bless All right. Let's go in the phones with Lawrence from Missouri. Hey Lawrence. Welcome.

You're on the air Are you there Hello Hey, tell them me long. Okay. There you go. Now. I hear you. Well, so what do you got? Mm-hmm Yes, I'm talking to you Lawrence, okay Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay.

Okay. My question is I know the Pope gained some kind of gay some kind of lame Excuse for the equal business. So how's the Roman Catholic Church just without their action during that time? Okay, why do they think what they're doing was right? They can't justify it because they were killing people torturing them Murdering. Yes, they were that's right And I would recommend if anybody wants to know about that just read the book of Fox's book of martyrs It's a book that every Christian should have Fox's book of martyrs That's one of the most published and read books in history But lately it's not about very much but Fox's book of martyrs and I will warn you it has some pretty detailed descriptions of some of the things That are that people were Done to them.

I won't even repeat some of them Because they're so gross. It's well, you know what I Have the DVD sent me by one of Catholic The Catholic answers are caught to me and I haven't watched it yet. And I have two books on the Inquisition So, okay.

Well read them check them out. I'll get Fox's book. I'll get Fox's book. Then come on go to the book tour Thank you. Yeah Fox's book of martyrs. It's uh, it's something every Christian should go through it'll it'll sober you up real fast Yeah, one of the reasons why one of the reasons why I don't have any regard for Thomas Aquinas per se He called he said heretics should be exterminated for the others by death.

What kind of Christmas things like that? That's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah, it is a problem. That's right You know easy. He's a big shot.

He's a big shot in the Catholic series. I Don't care. I don't care that for myself.

Well, you know me everybody made mistakes and that was certainly one. Okay. Yeah, okay Okay. Thank you, Matt. God bless you, man. All right. God bless All right. Let's see.

The next longest waiting person is Orlando From my point, North Carolina land. I welcome you on the air Hello, hi you are on the air, what do you got? I'm talking about all my name even I call a while ago and you told me call back about our millennialism Yes, sir, okay, if I don't talk about uh-huh Yeah, what's your question about it though Because where I go to church I they switch the balloon from pre-mill to Oatmeal and I was just wondering if you could kind of explain to me what exactly what it was.

What it is? Yeah, the pre-millennial position is that we are pre a Thousand year reign of Christ. So there's gonna be they say there's gonna be a literal 1,000 year period that's coming and that's in the future. So we Presently are pre millennial and that was that's what they mean by that All millennialists say that the millennium the thousand years is a figurative Number because the word thousand by itself is used repeatedly in figurative contexts and Satan's supposed to be bound during a millennium. Well, Jesus said he Satan was bound in Matthew 12 22 to 32 and so the millennialists would say that the millennial reign of Christ is now and That when Christ comes back, they'll be the new heavens a new earth And so both positions are very old in the church and both have strengths and weaknesses Okay So believe that we're living in the millennium man Some people believe that that it's that it depends on how you believe that. Yes, I do Yeah, I'm a non millennialist.

Yes, I am Okay But it's been two thousand years it is now one thousand Yes Yes, I know That like I said the term thousand in that sense. I only read you the Revelation 20. All right When I saw it Revelation 20 verse 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven I think that's literal an angels literal and and heaven is literal holding it the key of the abyss Well the key he doesn't have a key in his hand Okay, that's figurative and a great chain in his hand.

Well, that's you didn't literally have a great chain You know, it's a figurative the chain represents something. He laid hold of the dragon Well, that's figurative the serpent of old that's literal who is the devil and Satan that's literal and bound him for a thousand years So is it literal or figurative? because the context is as literal and figurative usage in it and And so we know from verses like God owns the cattle in a thousand hills a days But a thousand years a thousand years is but a day. So when we see the term just a thousand it's Configurative and so another thing is that Satan has to be bound, right Well, you'll find out it is a banal man. Well, Jesus said he said in order to cast out demons the strong man must first be bound and So he was casting out demons.

So logically he was had to be bound. I Mean it's just simple stuff So Satan is no longer around here Is that that value believe? Well, no, I would say that And I don't know for sure but one of the Prophecies associated with that position is that Satan will be let loose his binding will be loosened or undone and then he will deceive the nations and they'll rise up and war against the Lord and his truth and Some are millennialists hold to the position that Satan has been let loose because of world wars and the rise of Islam and the apostasy of Catholicism and so many other things and they'll say that that he has been let loose and it is working that way and Plus Jesus said in Matthew 13 is read the whole chapter. He says the wicked wicked people will be taken out of his kingdom But he says yeah, and he says in Matthew 13 30 that that the ones were taken First are the wicked not the good It's you know, it's there's more to it But like I said each position Amel and premil has strengths and weaknesses Okay, what about Israel with the omen? and some are millennialists say that God will not be doing anything with Israel and I don't believe that because of Romans 11 24 to 26 talks about God not being done with covenantal Israel.

Yeah Yeah, he's gonna he's got more to do with Israel. That's that's what I affirm. Okay All right. All right.

Thanks very much. You cleared up a lot of things. Okay, Orlando. Well, God bless brother.

God bless Yeah, I hope I'm wrong about all that stuff We'll see. All right folks be right back after these messages We have three open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Right now It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's Matt slick All right, welcome back to the show. Let's go to Tamika from Virginia. Welcome. You're on the air Hello Are you there? To me. Oh, hello. Hello. All right.

There you are So what do you got? All right. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Oh Hi, how are you? I'm fine. Thank you So you're on the air.

What do you got? Um, well, it's two things. I want to say one of them I want to back on do we suppose the fair guard and if we do in what and for what way? Fear him because he's big he can discipline us. He's awesome.

His presence is incredible. And so he should have a healthy fear of who he is the way a son would rightfully fear his father but not in the sense of He's just afraid to be around him because the father so mean that's not what it is but a son might have a respect for his father and fear him because his father is a righteous man and in that sense that's what it means to fear the Lord and That's what we're to have. Okay.

Okay. All right, cool And my next one is um, it's a scripture and this is on 1 John verse 5 and this chapter no chapter 5 verse 14 and 15 and it says that I mean that if we can ask anything according to his will he hears us and if we know that he hears us Whatever we ask, we know that we have what we ask of him. What is his will? Well, that's a good question because we ask him for something Let's just say for example that my car breaks down and I need a new car Let's just say that and I ask God I pray I need a new car You know, I need to get to work and stuff like that and lo and behold I don't get a new car. No one comes out of the woodwork to get me one and I'm stuck I have to ride my bike to work two miles Well, is it the will of God that I have a car? Maybe not Maybe he wants me to have some good exercise and he's gonna have me do that Maybe he wants me to to do that so that others might see that I have a bike and right who knows And we sometimes think that we know what the will of God is because we base it on our needs And we fail to see sometimes that he sees beyond our needs to a greater issue Within his desire within his will within his plan. And so we have to submit to that and so a more realistic Example was when my wife and I had our son Jacob and he had a birth defect and he was gonna die Upon birth and we knew that And so we prayed for God to heal him We prayed and we prayed and we asked God to heal Jacob in the womb and he was born and he died in our arms So the will of God was to allow Jacob to pass away and enter into his presence and because my wife and I trust the Lord and though we did Not understand why he allowed that we understand that he did and there's a reason there And maybe one day we'll find out why you get to heaven. But for now, we don't have that answer and that's okay It's alright. He's God.

We're not. Thank you. Okay Well, you're welcome. All right. God bless. I appreciate you.

All right people. Thanks. All right Hey folks, just real quick If you are interested in checking out a possible Israel trip with me and with some others for next year 2022 All you have to do is go check out Karm Israel Calm it'll forward you to another website and if you're interested in going fill up a little form there Nothing big just would want to know how many people are interested in checking it out and going Let's get to I think it's Jack from Nevada. Hey, Jack.

Welcome. You're on the air Hi doing mr. Slick. Can you hear me?

Yes, I can. I hear you fine. I hear you fine.

What do you got? Oh, hey, that's fantastic. Great to hear from you again. I had a couple questions for you Um, hopefully you have time for both.

Sure. I want to start with the first one The first one was about separation of church and state. So I've been hearing a lot of talk about that recently And you know, I know that you have a you have a You have a part of your website that talks about all our government in the United States in relation to the Bible and vice versa and it's like what I've been noticing is this My Understanding and if I'm wrong could you please correct me is that the reason why we have the free exercise clause is so that we don't have the Establishment of a state religion how they have over in English, correct? That's correct that's what they originally meant that the state would not declare a Religion and then people were persecuted because they didn't affirm the state religion But they do it but just so you know, there is a state religion in effect right now and it's secular is Yes secularism has been recognized as a religion by the Supreme Court and secularism or secular humanism I should say secular humanism been recognized as a religion and a religious process and it is what is being pushed down our throats by the government and by the media and so the hypocrisy of The left and not identifying that and dealing with it is bad. So anyway, go ahead What was the case that brought this about?

I don't know but I need to Yeah, there's you can look at it and you know, in fact if I were to go right here Let's see that I'm just doing right now separation. I used duck duck bill I don't use Google anymore separation of a church and good separation of church and state Oh, yeah secular humanism secular humanism as a religion, let's see if we can find it and maybe there's some information really quick and I've seen it I've so I've seen the thing I'll have to do some research on it in a five to four ruling in the morning of June 30th 2020 300 incalculable. Okay, not something different I'll see if I can find it and I'm sure someone else will find it and send it to me Okay, and maybe can write a little bit more Well, you know the thing I was curious about kids, uh You know, I've heard a lot of people say and you know, I don't really like going about I like to read it to myself and then come along conclusion, but you know, um There was no the term separation of church and state and the free exercise clause are two different things That's that's that's the conclusion that I've come to the man I was talking to somebody a while back and what they told me was There's no place that says you take God out of them. There's nowhere in the Constitution that says you break God out of them In fact, the Constitution recognizes the existence of not a God, but see God.

That's right So my curiosity is One and I feel like I feel like I know the answers, but I want to do take one what happened, too Where's the pushback and three? How are The only thing I can see is that the people are pushing us. They're either willfully ignorant or they're either ignorant or evil They're evil They're evil we have a lot of evil people in government we have a lot of people who are full of hypocrisy full of lies and from all different perspectives not just the left but on the some areas of the right also and Because which is our our country has abandoned God Then God is letting us reap the whirlwind. I mean abortion is Rampant homosexuality is rampant.

I'm Collecting believe it or not. I must decide how I'm gonna release it yet on Carm, but I'm doing a page Where I'm doing I'm just arranging links for two articles and I have it on a First Amendment Second Amendment the cancel culture censorship all kinds of stuff social stuff. We have transgenderism We have all kinds of things LGBTQ and I'm showing articles like for example drag queen story time Specifically for children under five championed by London borough what you know these things like this are moving into our culture and other cultures when they abandon God the vacuum is going to be left and people gonna fill it with what is right in their own eyes and When this happens people don't realize that when the unbelievers get power They're going to persecute the believers That's how it works. It always works that way in China right now The Christians are being persecuted you don't hear about it in the media here because the media is so leftist You don't hear about it, but I know it's occurring and some Conservative sites will mention it and I've got documentation.

I'm gonna be collecting We don't hear about the genocide. That's occurring in Africa against Christians and So this is because when unbelievers are in charge They persecute the believers. It's how it works And so it blows my mind I'm sorry sir go ahead.

No go ahead. That's all right Well blows my mind is that I mean well two things one. It can't be all of the United States That abides by this you know I was I was growing up in the 90s and when I was growing up in the 90s And you know I look back just History-wise Christianity was a dominant force in the country in the 80s and 90s, and we were far more conservative. We were far more Christian And as far as our governmental side of concern we're far more constitutionalist back then than we are now I'm like what the heck what happened. I mean it couldn't have taken that short of a time.

Yes, it has. So far Oh, yeah, but but but but like what what how did the people who? The Christians who are the vanguard against all this evil. Did they just give up go underground? I mean I found myself angry with like you know my parents You know people in that group who I felt was supposed to stop this from happening, but it's like what what what?

Why let me jump? Because the pastors are not teaching biblically in a lot of areas. They're more concerned Unfortunately with getting numbers in our job as Christians as ministers of the Gospels to equip the Christians for the work of ministry But in a comfortable society we have electric this and automatic that we just become lazy And it's easy to become lazy and so the Christian Church is not doing what it's supposed to be doing Sending missionaries out all over the world. It's not doing it anymore It's becoming in focus instead of out focused and so we'll have you know false teachers like Joel Osteen Who's you know the best this could be the largest church in America? Why because he tickles people's ears and We have people like that and others at Kenneth Copeland teaches heresy and to the Christians don't want to hear the real truth Oh absolutely Kenneth Copeland's a complete heretic absolutely Wow, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can reach the world Oh, yeah, I believe I do But if you call back tomorrow, I can unearth my documentation and read some stuff that Kenneth Copeland has taught it's just Interesting because I've been seeing his face around a lot recently because he was the focus one out, but yeah Like I mean those those those men may be Heretics and those men may be teaching like itching ears doctor But you still have it especially now.

I've seen a huge snapback Because if you go like online like 4chan if you go online to like a lot of these I mean they're younger guys, and they're pretty much trolling for the most part, but I've noticed a lot of these guys are tired of Just the garbage that's going on I guess I'm just saying like this shouldn't even have to be our fight But it seems like it's come down to my generation, but I'm a younger guy like you said I grew up in the 90s I Just don't know how we can become like that. It's always our fight It's always a fight of the Christian to resist the lies and to fight for truth That's how it's supposed to be in the world. That's how it's supposed to be And this is why I believe that I don't get asked to speak very often because I say the truth like this And it makes you uncomfortable, we're called to be warriors for Christ All right got to go buddy, okay Thank you sir all right Matt from West Virginia call back tomorrow about oneness and Brian from Charleston call back tomorrow about John 20 We're talking about that. Let's get back on here tomorrow. God bless everybody. We'll see you. Bye