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A previously recorded Matt Slick show. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, if you want to give me a call, five open lines. 877-207-2276. 2276 stands for, well, on your dial it's C-A-R-M, which is the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, which just turned 25 years old on this past Sunday.

Yay. So if you're new to the show, what we do here is answer questions. People call up all kinds of questions. We even talk politics, but mainly it's Bible stuff and the Christian apologists that defend the Christian faith and talk about all things. So, we talk about Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Unity, Baha'i Islam, UFOs, the occult, evidences for God, information theory, logic, all kinds of stuff. We use it for the glory of God to try and bring people into a relationship with the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Because the truth is, if you don't have Jesus as your Savior, if you don't trust in Jesus, you're lost. Jesus who is God in flesh. Jesus who died on the cross and rose from the dead.

Let me just tell you what the truth is. Because there's a lot of different theologies out there, a lot of different things that are false out there. So for example, one group teaches that God used to be a man on another planet. He's exalted and he brought one of his wives with him to this world. They have relations in heaven.

Physical relations produce offspring and stuff like that that inhabit human bodies. That's Mormonism and it's not true. The God of Mormonism is not real. The God of Mormonism is not the same God as the God of the Scriptures.

The God of the Scriptures has always been God. In Mormonism, their God became God. The God of Christianity is a trinity and in Mormonism, he's a triad. They think trinity means three gods, but no, that's a triad. We believe in the trinity which is one God and three distinct simultaneous persons. They also say there was an apostasy and Joseph Smith revealed the truth, restored the true gospel.

Never happened and that's another story. One of his witnesses teaches that Jesus is a brother, excuse me, is Michael the archangel. Jesus is Michael the archangel who became a man and died on a torture state. They deny the trinity and like Mormonism, they deny that the forgiveness of sins is by faith alone in Christ alone. So both of those are not Christian religions. Islam, what it teaches is that Mohammed was a true prophet. Mohammed was not a true prophet of God. Mohammed was a false prophet. Now, he taught false things.

He denied the doctrine of the trinity, denied who Jesus Christ really was and the like. Teaches works for salvation and if Allah wills, perhaps you might get saved. He taught that man's seed forms in his chest and that the sun sets in murky water and ants and birds can talk and things like that. And he's a false prophet.

We can get into all kinds of things. Roman Catholicism teaches a true God. It teaches a true Christ, but it teaches a false gospel. It teaches that Jesus died on the cross, which is fine, bore our sins and his body on the cross, which is fine, but it teaches that you've got to be good and participate in sacraments in order to be saved. You've got to be baptized in order to be saved and people teach that. People teach that you have to be dunked in water or have baptismal water applied to you in order to have your sins forgiven. And if you don't do that, you can't be forgiven. That is a damnable heresy because it denies the sufficiency of the cross of Christ and denies that we're justified by faith in Christ. You see, there's all kinds of things to talk about and I'm a little bit unusual in that I go after the false teachers.

I'm aggressive, but I'm patient and kind in the process. I'll talk to people and say, I'm sorry, you know, no offense meant, but what you believe is false, like Mormonism, the God of Mormonism is simply not true. The God of Jehovah's Witnesses is not true. The God of Islam is not true.

The gospel of Roman Catholicism is a false gospel and I'll say these things and I defend them and write about them on the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry website, CARM.org, which has had over 100 million visitors to the site in its 25 years of existence. So, hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. We have four open lines, so give me a call, okay? Melissa, you can turn your radio down there in the background, Melissa. You can turn that down or something. Can you hear me? There you go.

Maybe not. Melissa, let's put her back on hold. Okay, Melissa, if you can hear me, you can turn that radio down and we'll get back to you and hopefully we're not having a problem with the stack again, but we'll see what's happening.

Let me try her one more time. Melissa? Hello? Hello? Yes, I can hear you. Hello?

Have you got your radio? Hello? Hello? Hello? This is Melissa. Hi, Melissa.

I can hear you. Hello? Okay.

Hello? Okay, we're having a problem. Keith, I don't know if you know what's going on.

Keith is our producer. So, Melissa, you need to turn the radio down in the background. We'll try you one more time. Hopefully, Melissa's not a troll, but we'll find out. Hey, Melissa, let's try it one more time. Melissa, are you there? Hello, this is Melissa. Yes, I hear you. Hello? I hear you. Do you hear me? Yes, I can hear you fine now.

All right, just make sure the radio's down in the background, okay? All right, so what have you got? I'm sorry? That's all right. So what have you got? Yes. Okay.

Yes, you have a question? Well, my question is, I'm not sure of the scrunch of reference in the Bible, but we're just referring in the Bible that God knows how to give good gifts to his children. And I've also heard that God never withholds anything good, you know, from his children. But what I'm confused about is, if that's the case, how come sometimes God allows, because I know a couple people that are Christians, one of them ended up having to go to a homeless shelter. And how can that be like a good gift from God? I'm sort of confused.

Well, first of all, it said... Because she told me that the police ran out and she didn't have the money to get another apartment and ginned up the homeless shelter. First of all, the Bible says in Matthew 7, 7-12, it talks about God giving good things to people. He does do that. Nothing in the Bible says he only gives good gifts. Sometimes what he does is let people go through bad times. The second part of what you said is not in the Bible. People just make it up.

They make up a lot of stuff they think is what God says and they teach false doctrine. So the truth is that sometimes you have to go through some bad stuff. For example, my wife and I love the Lord, have always been dedicated to the Lord, and we had a son who died from birth defect.

We've had things that have happened in our lives that have been very, very difficult. And God has taught us through those things. So it doesn't mean that God only gives things to us that we would perceive as good. He sometimes gives us those things which are necessary. And sometimes what's necessary is the fruition of the consequence of what it is we've done. Sometimes, however, it's the consequence of somebody else's actions, and we've got to suffer.

And so we do. So if you're driving down the road and someone crashes into your car because they were drinking, that person was drinking, it wasn't your fault. But you've got to be affected now by what somebody else did. That's how life is. God's not there to protect us from every bad thing. Bad things happen to us.

When we react to those things, what we do in those things, that's the issue. Furthermore, a lot of people think, a lot of people don't realize, they should say, they'll praise God when things are good. They thank God, they praise God, they worship God. And then when things go bad, maybe they lose their home and they're in a homeless shelter, then they complain against God.

In other words, their dedication to God is based on their circumstances, not in the work of Christ but in their circumstances. You're misled because so many false teachers out there teach God wants you healthy and wealthy. That's false teaching.

That is false. God may want you healthy, he may want you wealthy, he may want you poor, and he may want you sick. And I can give you scriptures for those.

So what we have to do is submit ourselves to the Word of God and in any circumstance that we're in, just like Jesus, just like Peter, just like Paul. And do so. Okay. I think we'll move along because I'm not sure what's going on there.

All right. So there you go, folks. If you want to give me a call, we have four open lines, everybody.

All you have to do is dial 877-2072276. I'm right here. And Peter, welcome. You're on the show.

Hey, Matt. I appreciate your work. And I encourage everybody, just $5 a month is real easy. It carms support in a long time. Thanks.

Appreciate that. I have a question on the Mosaic law, the ending of the law, and I'll just make some statements. And just correct me, okay? Matt, just give me your thoughts. Of course, with Jesus sacrificed death, burial, and resurrection, we have the ending of the ceremonial law, the rituals, and also the civil law. But the moral law continues. And my understanding, here's my big question, is that would be the Ten Commandments will continue through all eternity.

And of course, as Christians, we want to keep those out of our love for Christ and walk in those, not for salvation, but because of salvation, because of that. And my question is, since the commandments are from the finger of God, would you consider those separate from the Mosaic law? The moral law? Yes, the Ten Commandments. Okay, the Mosaic law is all the law. It's the 613 commandments found in the Pentateuch, and actually the whole Bible. But inside the Mosaic law, there's the judicial law, or the civil law, you could say. There's the priestly, and there's the moral. And so the judicial has to do with governmental behavior, things like that, and how to divide land, and judicial cases. That's under a theocratic system.

And that's not in existence anymore, because Israel, for example, is not a theocracy. The priestly law deals with those aspects of that priesthood, which were fulfilled in Christ, and are no longer necessary. And the moral law is based on the character of God, and so therefore the moral law continues.

And don't lie, don't steal, don't cheat, don't commit adultery, things like that. The only moral law in the Ten Commandments that's not reiterated in the New Testament is the Sabbath. And that's because Jesus is our Sabbath. The Sabbath points to the saving work of Christ. So nine of the Ten Commandments are actually reconstituted as being valid in the New Testament, but the Sabbath is not.

So that's what the difference is between the three aspects of the law. Okay, but do you see that all as part of the Mosaic law, even the Ten Commandments? Yeah, because it was good through Moses.

Yeah. Where I get confused, in Colossians we see that he's, you know, he's ended the hand-written law, right? Christ is the end of that. And then yet the moral continues, and Jesus was clear that it would never pass away. Where's the verse in Colossians? Colossians, it's in chapter one, I wish I should have had it, where it says that he, and I mean New King James, I don't think the other ones have hand-written law. Oh, that's Colossians 2.14? Yeah, that's Colossians 2.14.

He cancelled the certificate of debt, or the handwriting of ordinances, right, having nailed to the cross. There's two possibilities of what that means, but anyway, go ahead. Okay. No, so, yeah, and so I know Moses wrote all of the law except for, from the finger of God comes the Ten Commandments on the tablets.

And they're even in, you know, in the Ark of the Covenant. Now, I'm looking for a question, though, you have a question. Oh, there's a break.

Oh, yeah, so. We have a break. Hold on, we have a break.

Okay, thank you, man. Right back after the break, so hold on, okay? All right, hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages, we have one open line, why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to Matt Slick Live.

Let's get back to, let's see, click that, Peter from Wake Forest, North Carolina. Okay, you're still there? Right. Yeah. All right, so what was your question? So what I, yeah, my question is, the moral law, first of all, it continues through all eternity. Yes. Is that true? That's right. Okay. And so I'm just trying to, I know to the, I believe to the Israelites, it's just all a law, they didn't think about it in the parts like we do because we have the ending of the other law, the ceremonial, for sure, another law.

That crisis is still. So what's your question? So if that's the, yeah, so if that's the case, if they continue through all eternity, how are they separated out?

And my thought is- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean they? How are they separated out?

What's the they? The moral commandment, the moral commandment. What do you mean they're separated out? The moral law.

I understand. Well, from the ceremonial, from the- Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. They continue but the other one didn't. By saying the moral law, you're already separating them. So then when you say they, the moral law, you say how they separated out. I don't understand your question.

Oh, I'm sorry. How are they separated out? The they being what? How, the moral law, how is that segment determined versus the other ones? Oh, how do we know which is moral and which is ceremonial?

And why? So my thought is of where they come from, the original. So you want to know, the question is how do you determine which is moral, civil, and judicial?

I mean moral, civil, and priestly in the law, right? Well, I know that. I understand that. That's not really the question. Peter, Peter, Peter.

Why do they continue and the rest don't? Yes. I just want you to ask me a question, okay? You're confusing me several times here. So just ask me a question if you can, okay?

Okay. Here's my question. The moral law continues. How is that determined versus the other law?

That they continue and the others don't? The moral law is based on God's character. God doesn't change so therefore it will always be. The ceremonial and judicial laws, priestly and judicial laws were for the time of Israel at that time and stuff, okay?

Okay. Okay, so they're not based on God's character. Yes and no. Like the moral law.

Yes and no. They're codified in a way of practical theology for sacrifice which is ultimately out of the character of God. For God is love, 1 John 4.8, and the greatest act of love is to lay your life down for a friend, John 15.13. So the character of God is sacrificial. The sacrificial aspect of the law is a reflection of the character of God. But it's coded in a ceremonial form with the priesthood and the animal sacrifices as a type and representation of the true sacrifice of himself later on. So once that true sacrifice came into being, the Old Testament requirements of that law are no longer necessary. You can go to Hebrews 8.13 and Hebrews 9.15-16.

It talks about that, okay? Okay, and then the Sabbath itself, the fourth commandment, do you think that continues on in that we have a one day of rest? God created in six days and then he rested on the seventh day. Jesus has called our rest. He's our Sabbath. So because we have the rest from the requirement of work, it was fulfilled in Christ who completed the law perfectly, 1 Peter 2.22. And then we are in him and those who have died are freed from the law, Romans 7.4.

We were in him and died with him or crucified with him, Romans 6.6, Romans 6.8. So therefore, we're not obligated to keep that law and the Sabbath is not an obligatory thing for us because it's an aspect of that Old Testament law. Furthermore, the Sabbath is not reiterated in the New Testament as being necessary. But it is of the other nine are, okay?

Adultery, lying, things like that. These things are reiterated as being true in the New Testament. And I have an article on this on the website about the Sabbath and some other stuff. Okay. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Let me just say, I do like my one day of rest anyway. It's good. It is good stuff. Yeah, I try and rest on Sunday myself. It is.

Yeah. I do too and I try to reflect on the Lord more too. All right, Matt. God bless you. Thank you so much for your time. God bless, Peter.

All right. Let's get to John from North Carolina. John, welcome. You're on the air. Hi.

How are you doing? I was, if we're talking to someone about the Lord and we go to the Bible to show them what we believe in and say they don't. Okay, I'm thinking of atheistic or agnostic. If they don't consider the Bible the word of God or anything, what do we say then? You quote the word of God.

Huh? You quote the word of God anyway. Whether they believe it or not doesn't mean it isn't true. They may not believe mathematics works, but it's still true. So God does not defend his own existence.

The Bible doesn't defend its own truth. It just is. Yes. That's how it is.

I understand. Isaiah 55, 11 says the word of God will not come back empty without accomplishing what God desires. So our job is to preach that word. So I can be in a room full of devout atheists and if I have the opportunity to preach the gospel, I'm preaching it. And they can say, well, we don't believe in all that.

I go, I don't care. I'm just preaching. That's it. It doesn't...

The power of his word is not dependent upon those atheists. Okay. Sorry. All right. Thanks. Have a good one. Okay. You too, man. God bless. All right. Let's get to the next longest waiting person is Melissa from Ashboro. We lost. And the verse that person was bringing up was Jeremiah 29, 11, which is misused by a lot of people.

Let me just stress it really quickly because she was waiting for a long time and then we lost her, I guess. For I know the plans that I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for the calamity to give you a future and a hope. And a lot of times these positive confessionists, false teachers on TV, on radio, they'll use that verse. Now, if you listen closely, when they're talking about this verse, listen for the ripping sound of a verse ripped out of its context and misapplied.

And that's what they'll do. Go to verse one of the chapter. Now these are the words of the letter from Jeremiah, the prophet sent from Jerusalem to the rest of the elders of the exile. The priests, the prophets and all the people from whom Nebuchadnezzar had taken into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. It's in that context God says, I know the plans I have for you. Okay. He's talking to the people in exile, not talking to the Christians today. These false teachers on TV, so many of them could not exegete their way out of a wet paper bag if there was directions and a neon sign inside the paper bag saying this way with a bright light on the open end.

They still couldn't find their way out with their exegetical procedures. Okay. Do you want to give me a call? We have three open lines, 877-207-2276. You're dropping like flies.

That was Carl on Healing. And we have four open lines, 877-207-2276. John from Idaho, welcome.

You're on the air. Honor and a privilege, Matt. Thank you for your calm. I've used it a lot of times to talk to my friends and different people, giving them information from the Bible using your website. But this time I want to ask you about a passage where Jesus said, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's in light of the upcoming election.

What do you tell a minister? Okay, folks, we've got a break. Hopefully we'll catch on there. Hey, give me a call. We have three open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air there with John from Idaho.

John, are you there? Yes, sir. All right. My question.

We had to get going. So what do you got? Yep.

Okay. How would you advise a respected pastor who says to vote would be to vote for the lesser of two evils so he's not going to vote for evil? So he's not going to vote at all. In light of the verse where Jesus says, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, I think we have an obligation to vote, don't you? Well, the pastor has the right to not vote. If he doesn't want to vote, that's between him and God.

Personally, I believe that each person must hold their privilege and right that we have to vote before the Lord and see what they're going to do. The issue becomes the lesser of two evils. It's always going to be the lesser of two evils.

It's always going to be. It doesn't matter who it is. And so who are we going to vote for? If he wants to not vote for the lesser of two evils, then he doesn't need to vote in anything because that principle means he can never vote.

So where do we draw the line? And I believe that Christians should vote. I believe that Christians should be out protesting. I believe they should be making phone calls. They should be mailing letters. They should be doing emails. They should be meeting at the Capitol once every now and then with signs and protesting.

They should be out in front of the leftist organizations called CNN, MSNBC, et cetera, and saying, be objective. I think that Christians should be doing, instead of sitting there and looking forward to the rapture from the blonde haired, black Caucasian surfer Jesus dressed in a woman's nightgown. That's what I believe.

I think they should be out there. And I'm an aggressive Christian, just like Jesus was. He went town to town, just like Paul was.

They went town to town and they preached and they taught. That's what they called us to do. That's what we're to do. It doesn't mean everybody has to do everything like that. But we're called to be out there, not wimpy, passive, diaparenians who are afraid to do anything because they might get arrested or something else might happen.

Who knows? But not voting is, isn't that a crime? Because wouldn't that be a sin?

Not voting. Not voting would be a sin because that would be effectively a vote for the greater evil if you just don't vote. I wouldn't say that it's a sin because nothing in the scripture says, thou shalt vote. We have to judge everything by scripture. Now it does say, render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. You know, excuse me, Mark 12, 17. And it does also say to submit to the government in Romans 13.

And we need to do that. But as Jesus said in Mark 12, 17, he said that what we're to do is to render to Caesar, that which belongs to Caesar, the state to the state, but to what belongs to God, the things of God. What are the things of God?

This is the question we've got to ask. The things of God are the promotion of righteousness, the resistance of evil. This is what we owe God in our society. Are the Christians who don't want to vote for Trump or don't want to vote for Biden or don't want to vote for whoever, it doesn't matter who, but they don't want to vote because they don't like the game.

Well, that's okay. Are they also standing up against the unrighteousness of homosexuality, of the leftist leanings and ungodly and unbiblical teaching of socialism and Marxism? Are they standing up? Are they being consistent and giving to God the things that belong to God, which is the governmental system of private enterprise, of self-protection. I can quote the scriptures.

I got them. The Bible talks about these things, representation. All this stuff is in the scriptures.

We are to be engaged in the culture and we are to be seeking political office, seeking actors, to become actors and actresses and directors and writers at newspapers. Christians are supposed to be doing this. That's what belongs to God because everything belongs to God. Thank you, sir, very much.

He's the king over all areas of our life. Yes, sir, exactly right. Thank you for your work. Thank you for calm and keep up the good work, please. All right, John. God bless, John.

All right. Before we get to the next caller, let me just reiterate, folks. The lordship of Christ is not just in church on Sunday and just when you're on your knees in front of the Lord praying. It's not just the lordship of Christ.

It's for the father in the family, the mother in the family, for the worker at the job, for the doctor over the patients, for the politician over the populace, for the author who writes, for the actor who acts. The lordship of Christ is in every area, and we as Christians have been given the command by God to make disciples of every nation. This means to get out there and to go. And 2 Corinthians 10, 5 talks about holding every thought captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ. The command that we have of Scripture, the admonition we have of Scripture is to be forthgoing, not retreating, but to be moving forward in the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't mean we yell and scream. It means that we have to trust God as we go forward. And I have this saying, trust and go.

Simple as that. Trust God and go. Let me tell you a story, and we'll get to the callers. My old roommate Dave and I, this is a true story. This is only one of many examples to trust God and go, see what happens.

You trust him, see what happens. We were supposed to go to a lecture from a Christian science, non-Christian cult, and pass out literature as the people got out of the lecture hall. And it was 8.30 at night, and the lecture got out at 9 o'clock. We're in Southern California, and I blew it. I forgot to get the address and the information where it was.

This is back in the 80s. No internet, no GPS, no cell phones. And so at 8.30, I said to my roommate Dave, I said, I'm going. We're going to have to drive 15 to 20 miles away, get off in a city called Tustin in Southern California, which has got umpteen tens of thousands of people in it, and see if we can find this place. Well, we ended up driving.

Let me just tell you the short story. We got to that place early. We got to that place early in the middle of all this humongous city. We trusted God, and he directed our path. I got stories of how it happened.

It was interesting. But he directed our path. When you trust God, things happen.

If you don't trust him, things don't happen. And if what you're trying to do in the safety of your own life as a Christian is make sure everything's in place before you go forward, because you got to get the will of God, got to get a committee going, got to make sure we got all the P's and Q's in place first, then we can cautiously move forward, cautiously. Is that trusting God and going?

I'm not saying leap in darkness and blind leap and stuff like that. No, no, no. You pray, and God says, go make disciples. Well, if you're seeking to make disciples, you're already in the will of God.

So go. If God says that he's the Lord over all creation, which he is, then he's the Lord over politics, over the media, over entertainment, over education. That means that as difficult as it might be if we push uphill against the downward onslaught of liberal idiocy, it still means God is behind us.

He's with us. Though it may be difficult, we'll make progress if we fight against the enemy. We need to move forward. That's what we need to do as Christians. And I've done that my whole life as a Christian. And some miraculous things have happened. But you won't experience that if you sit on your hands and you wait for the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus dressed in a woman's nightgown to help you out, making sure everything's comfortable, while you're listening to some stupid moron on TV saying, God wants you healthy and wealthy.

He wants your bank account to be big. No wonder people in Christianity don't know how to move forward in faith and trust God in plenty and in want because they're so gluttonized by greed that they don't know how to move and trust. This is a shameful thing that's happening in America, in the church. We can change this country very quickly if we get on our knees, humble ourselves, look up to God and say, send me, use me, even if it means having children who, in 30 years, enter into the job God called them to do.

That's even discipling. We can do it. Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the weak-kneed preachers who teach, God wants you healthy and wealthy.

Maybe he doesn't. Jesus says, pick up your cross daily and follow after me. And he who does not pick up his cross is not worthy of me.

Those preachers don't teach, pick up the cross. They say, pick up your money belt. Pick up your bank account. Pick up your car keys or that really new nice car.

God wants you healthy and wealthy. Yeah. Okay, I think I'm finished. Let's get to Carl from Florida. Carl, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, good afternoon, Matt. How you doing? Doing all right.

Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy? Hey, I just had a simple question. So I have this friend. Whenever he goes out, he goes to different places.

It could be a gym or downtown. He runs into people and he asks them if they have any injuries or anything. It could be a leg injury or shoulder injury or anything like that. And from that, we have a break. There's a break right there. We have a break, so can you hold on, Carl? We'll be right back, okay? Right after these messages, folks, give me a call if you want. Three open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, buddy, welcome back to the show. Three open lines if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Carl, are you still there? Yes.

Yes, I'm still there. All right. What do you got, buddy?

Yeah, so I was just saying I have a friend. He goes out, he talks to just random people, and he'll ask them if they're injured, mainly if they're injured or things like that. He'll just pray over them so they can have a bad shoulder, bad leg, or some type of injury. He'll pray over them, and then afterwards he'll say that the Holy Spirit helped him heal these people. So I know with prayer, you know, anything can happen or whatever, but like every individual, you know? So what's your question?

I'm kind of like, spectacle about that. I don't know if that's... How do you feel about that? Well, that's part of the NAR, the New Apostolic Reformation. They teach people to go out and just pray for people's healings, and they don't give them the gospel. So I don't know if this guy's given them the gospel in the process, but God does heal today. He gives them... Yeah, he gives... He'll talk to them. He'll share the gospel with them. In the midst of that, he'll just ask them if they have any injuries or anything going on.

He'll just pray over them, and then he'll just be like, you know, the Holy Spirit used me to, you know, heal them, you know? Yeah, I have no problem with that. Sure. No problem. Okay. Pray for healers for people? My second... Yeah, that's fine.

Ask for, you know, pray for people for their healing. No problem. Yeah.

Yeah. My second part was, it's the same individual. He said he has had encounters with Jesus, you know, wherever, in his sleep or through prayer where I guess he has physically seen Jesus or Jesus had talked to him. Well, I'm not saying that can't happen. Is that possible?

Well, I believe it's possible, but when I hear stuff like this from someone who says, yeah, I talked to him and this and they're kind of casual about their conversation, no, I don't buy it. Any encounter with a Jew and living God has a profound effect on you. And so that's one of the things I look for. Okay. Okay. All right.

Thanks a lot, Carl. All right. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. God bless. All right. That's going to align with Rick from Texas, whom we lost. He's an atheist, apparently, and had questions on faith healing. Let me talk about that if you guys want.

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If you want to do more, that's great, but $5 a month helps us a great deal. All right, so faith healing, faith healing, is it good, is it true, or what? Well, generally what we understand faith healing to be is people who have a meeting, and then they call people forward, and they do this faith healing thing where people get healed.

Most of it, in my opinion, is just a bunch of charlatans just conning people. It's been documented that many of these so-called faith healers have had radios in their ears and will be very selective about who they, so to speak, heal. Someone in a wheelchair, for example, they don't heal them. Someone who's obviously got some real serious problems, they don't do that.

So a lot of it is just fake. Can God, however, heal people? Of course he can, and he does heal people.

Well, what are we going to do about that? Actually, there's a book. I just remembered. There's a book, Medical Miracles, I think is what it's called, or something like that, and they document healings with x-rays, with diagnoses, with doctors' names, dates, patients, and all this stuff, where some miraculous healings occurred as Christians were praying. So you can do what you want with that, but I've never seen that book. So at any rate, God can still heal.

He still can't. We just have to compare everything with Scripture. That's what we've got to do. Let's get to Drew from Durham, North Carolina. Drew, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Thanks for taking my call. I'm a seminary student currently. Which one? Southeastern.

Okay. And I can just see the critical race theory and liberation gospel kind of sneaking in, and I feel like a lot of people are blind to it, and I just don't know what to do about it as a student. Like, for instance, we had an event for the college over there last week, and the guy was up there, a preacher, and he was talking about the election, basically, and he was saying, if you don't want abortion, then vote for Trump, but if you want unity in our country, then vote for Biden. And to me, that's just crazy.

Yeah, that's crazy. And it's like a lot of people are just buying into this, and if I say something about it, I'm being divisive or the common things they throw out there. So what? Be divisive. Yeah.

Okay. There is a verse. There must be factions among you so the truth can be made known. Factions. Let me find that verse. That's right, 1 Corinthians 11, 19. There must be factions.

Literally the Greek word is heresis, heresy. There must be divisions or factions among you so that those who are approved may become evident among you. Look, don't worry about being a problem.

Don't worry about that. Don't let their majority of liberal whatever sway you into keeping silent about truth. What you need to do is document your stuff, prepare your information ahead of time, have it there with you, and do your research.

I have been wanting personally to do a lot of research on social justice issues. I'm so busy involved in getting the website converted. It's been a month's long project. I've still got to work on it.

It's bad timing but this is what's necessary. But nevertheless, work on this stuff. Raise your hand. Say, wait a minute.

Here's a critical thing. Ask them, can you show me this in Scripture? It should be so frequent that you raise your hand, they're going to go, show us in the Bible, right?

Almost in a mocking sense, not that I want to forget like that. But you kind of say, yeah, where does it say that in God's word? What is justice according to God's word? Look up the word justice and see how God uses the word justice. Because we know that God has his way of teaching.

Think about this. If social justice, intersectionality, critical race theory, all this stuff is there for us Christians to take and work with, which is a form of socialism manipulation. If that's what we're supposed to be doing, look at Jesus. Did Jesus do anything like that? Did Paul the Apostle or Peter do anything like that?

I'd ask them, can you show me these things, these ideas in Scripture, what did Jesus do? Jesus came to die for our sins. And he did not say, let's get rid of Rome. He didn't say, you know what, there's slavery and justice. He didn't say it. That's right.

And to me, it's almost like a spirit of antichrist because you're coming at it. Jesus did the total opposite of that. Everybody thought he was going to lead a revolution, like a social justice movement against Rome. And he didn't do that. And it seems like that's what they want. And that's not what Jesus did at all. He did the exact opposite. Right.

So what they're doing is creating this issue of race, law, things like that, social power, and whatever it is, and saying that these are the things that we have to judge society by. I'd say, my hand goes up, can you show me that in Scripture? I would do this so much that they will not want me in the class.

It's not to be annoying, but show me in Scripture. You know, I was in a philosophy class in college, secular philosophy class. I raised my hand so many times that the professor stopped calling on me when I raised my hand. Instead, he would just look at me and say, what do you got to say? I didn't raise my hand anymore because I had information and I was ready.

You've got to do the same thing. This social justice idiocy that's creeping into the church is ridiculous. Neither Jesus nor Peter nor Paul in the Scriptures, they did not acknowledge racial discrimination and then sought social justice based upon the inequities of racial this and that.

They didn't do that. They said, you need to come to Christ. You need to believe in Jesus because this idea, now think about this, this idea of working forward to get categorizations of race, mongoloid, caucasoid, nigroid. The white supremacists have been the oppressors and all this stuff. All that does is fall into the hands of Marxist theology. I just finished reading Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.

A lot of what the left is saying is right out of that manifesto. They want race relation problems. They want class struggle problems so that disinformation can be allowed to go forth that causes problems. It causes disharmony and revolution. This is what's going on. This is what their idea is in Marxism.

Then the oligarchy takes control and we lose our rights, et cetera, et cetera. What they're doing in this social justice stuff is not appealing to Scripture. What they're doing is appealing to the secular world and making the Scripture fit their secular world.

These people are taking their fingers, putting up in the air and saying which way is the secular wind blowing. You have the opportunity in seminary to say show me that in Scripture. Justify that in Scripture and I'll be out there leading the charge. Show me in Scripture, show me in Scripture, show me in Scripture.

Thank you, Matt. I agree with you 100%. It seems almost like the Church is conforming to the world. Absolutely.

It's the big thing in the world right now. Hey, we don't want to offend anybody. We don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. The Church is adopting that same ideology when we shouldn't. The gospel that offends nobody is not the gospel of the Bible. We're not to be offensive, but it is offensive by the nature of its truth. See, what the social justice warriors want to do is change people on the outside, pass the laws, say the name.

Okay, I'll say the name, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You know, that's what they want. But what Christ wants is a change of heart and then everything else will be taken care of. These people are short-sighted in their social justice things, short-sighted.

We Christians can't adopt the stupidity of the world. Ask your, tell you what, go to CARM, look up Black Lives Matter article that I wrote. Go check it out and print it up, take it into the class.

You'll have documentation there. Ask them, what do you guys think of BLM? See what they say. And I'd read some stuff. They teach this, they teach this.

They're against the family, the pro-homosexual. Is that okay with you guys? I think the official statement from the president was they agree with... Hold on. Drew, Drew, we are out of time. I want you to call me back tomorrow and tell me what he says, okay?

I want to hear it. Okay, Drew? All right.

Thanks, Matt. All right. Call me back tomorrow. I want to know what that was. We're out of time. May the Lord bless you all by His grace. We're back on here tomorrow. We'll see you next time.