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How you doing, brother?
Well, aside from ready to fall asleep, I'm doing okay hanging in there. Maybe you're ready to take on an atheist now. Oh, are you an atheist? No, no, no, no, not at all, brother. Not at all.
Oh, then I'd be about ready for the atheist level. You mean all tired and fatigued? I hope that's. Yeah, yeah. They still wouldn't have a chance, but my c my question was on First Corinthians chapter 13.
Uh verse 10. Uh-huh. I'd I've been teaching on the uh charismatic gifts Uh I am a continuationist. Good. But um I I don't I know I think the I just wanted your opinion on that.
When the perfect is come, do you s You see that as the completion of the canon or when Jesus returns? Return of Jesus, period. Absolutely. When he returns, because the perfect, because if you look at it, this is a really important issue to me because I was a pastor in Southern California and In the PCA Presbyterian Church of America. They found out later that I was a continuationist.
And let's just say, long story short, lost my pastorate over the issue. And even though I didn't practice the gifts, I just exegetically wasn't convinced of cessationism. And so I had to study quite a bit in order to defend myself and stuff and ask questions. You know, anyway, it worked out by God's sovereignty.
So I'm quite familiar with the issue. And if you go to 1 Corinthians 1:7, it gives us a clue about something. And I will just read it to you. I have it memorized, but it says, so that you are not lacking any gift. And the word gift is charisma.
awaiting eagerly the revelation or the apocalypson. The apocalypse, the return of Christ.
So you're not the Corinthians and us, because it's to everyone everywhere, 1 Corinthians 1, verses 1 and 2. uh that you're not lacking any gift, any charismatic gift. Why are you waiting for the return of Christ?
So this turns, or this equates the gift with the return of Christ. When you go to 1 Corinthians 13, 10, the perfect comes, a partial redone away. When I was a child, I spoke as a child, think like a child, reason like a child, when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then, face to face.
So the word then refers back to when the perfect comes. And uh If you do a study on the Word face-to-face, every instance of it in the Bible is a personal interaction. It's not a a completion of a project. It's a personal interaction. And I think it's like 12 times it occurs, something like that, in the entire Bible.
I studied every single occurrence. It says, Now I know in part, but then I'll know fully, just as I have been fully known. What's really interesting about that is it's not if we know God, it's if He knows us. You know, Jesus says in John 7, I mean, Matthew 7, 22 and 23: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, perform miracles in your name? He says, Get away from me, I never knew you.
And um in in um John 10, 27, Jesus says, My sheep hear my voice, I know them. You know, and and they follow me. And then Galatians 4:8:9, when you did not know God, you served by nature those which are not gods. But now that you've come to serve the true and living God, you come to know God. Or rather, you are known by him.
Paul actually says that. He goes, you are known by God. Or you know God. Rather, you are known by him. He actually makes that statement.
So I look at how the word or the phraseology of being known and fully known is referenced to salvation. And it can't be the completion of the canon because when the canon comes, then we have a personal interaction with someone like God. We'll see him face to face. And that's when the canon is completed? No.
Sorry, it's not going to work. And we're fully known. when the c cannons completed? No.
No, it's at the return of Christ. It just makes sense. And so.
So There you go. And well, I could get another stuff too, but I won't do that.
So that's why I hold it that and. Perfect is referenced to return to Christ, not the completion of the canon.
Okay? You know, I spoke to you here the last few weeks. I'm a Pentecostal pastor, but I'm reformed in my theology, but I am a continuationist. And I've been working through this. just to try to teach the folks that as well that, hey, you know, Not everybody's going to speak in tongues.
These gifts are given by the Spirit and I I see tongues as a evidence, not the evidence. Um Um You know, what Pentecostals classically call the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Right, right. But. I've heard other reform guys, and not just reform guys, but cessationists also.
they will take first Corinthians thirteen ten And then we'll cross-reference it with Daniel 12, 4, where a prophecy is sealed. Um Um I didn't know what you thought about that. I've heard. That's not very good. It's not a good thing for them to do.
It says for you, Daniel, conceal these words, held the seal of the book, the book of Daniel. Until the end of the time, many will go back and forth, knowledge will increase, back and forth, long distances, great knowledge.
So seal up the book of Daniel. It's not about cessation of gifts. Simple. Here, what you can do is get at. Go ahead, I'll show you something else, but go ahead.
No, go ahead, Brian.
Okay, so I have a website, another website called CalvinistCorner.com, and I put my stuff like that on there. And if you were to go to CalvinistCorner.com and then you go to the article Experiential Calvinism and the Charismatic Gifts. And you can scroll down and you can see an illustration. I took I Corinthians twelve, one through thirty one, 1 Corinthians 13 and 1 Corinthians 14. I forgot which version I used to think was the NESP.
And I went through and crossed out the scriptures that would not be in effect anymore if cessationism was true.
So, for example, in 1 Corinthians 12: to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge. Doesn't apply today, right? Or you can go down to To uh verse 27 of 1 Corinthians 12.
Now you are Christ's body and individually members of it. Verse 28, and God is appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles. Oh, sorry, cross that out. The gifts of healings cross it out. Helps.
Administrations, various kinds of tongues cross them out. You know, some of the IXA I say, hey, look, you can Maybe this a few of the things I crossed out are not, you know. But it's just an illustration. And you go to 1 Corinthians 13, if I have the gift of prophecy, or speak with the tongues of angels.
Well, that's crossed out. And then you go to 1 Corinthians 14, the first six verses are crossed out. Except for the words pursue love, that's good. Yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. It doesn't apply to us today.
And it goes on and on. About half that chapter is crossed out. And so, one of the questions I ask the cessationists is before I get into this, I say, I ask him, do you know of any New Testament teach or any present-day teaching? It invalidates large sections of Scripture. And they go, Of course not.
No true Christians would do that. It says, Oh yeah, there is. There's a teaching today in Protestantism that just it just makes several areas of Scripture just not applicable for today. Like, what are you talking about? I said.
Cessationism. Take into 1 Corinthians 14. Start reading, cross this out, cross that out, cross that out. One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. The one who prophesies edifies the church.
Sorry. Cross it out. and so forth and so on. It's a powerful ir illustration. And There's more.
John Knox. Wouldn't even be allowed to speak in a lot of churches. He had a prophecy. He prophesied the future. John Mox did.
Robert Fleming. Uh He, uh Here's some of the quotes. The strange and extraordinary. Let me back up. He was, Robert Fleming died in 1694.
And he wrote Um the strange and extraordinary impression I had of an audible voice in the church at night when being a child I had got up to the pulpit, calling me to make haste. That's sentence three. Then I go to sentence five. It's in these this book called The Scots of uh Scottsworthies. Then number ten is the extraordinary dream and marvelous vision I had, twice repeated with the inexpressible joy after the same.
Number twenty one, the dream at Basset, wherein I got such express warnings as to my wife's removal. That means her death, and she died. the great and significant confirmations given me of my wife's death. And then there's George Wishart. He uh received received a letter.
Oh, he died in fifteen forty six. He received a letter directed to him from his intimate friend, the Laird of Kinniar. acquainting him that he had taken a sudden sickness, and requested him to come to him with all diligence. Upon this he, that's George Wishart, immediately set out on his journey, attended by some honest friends. They had not travelled above a quarter of a mile, when all of a sudden he stopped, saying to the company, I am forbidden by God.
to go on this journey. He says, Will some of you be pleased to ride yonder and up the hill? Whereupon they returned, or he returned to the town, and they who went forward to the place found sixty horsemen ready to intercept him. It was an ambush. God says, Don't go.
Oh yeah, John Knox prophesied the future. Yeah, and I got a lot of stuff I could talk about this. But I said to an examination board about this when I was being examined about this, I said, You realize John Knox, Robert Fleming, and George Wishert wouldn't be allowed to speak in your churches today? The neighbors silent. They go, Mm, yeah, well.
I said so. John Knox couldn't preach in your church?'Cause he's obviously a continuationist. He He uh prophesied the future and it came to pass. I got stories. I got stories.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's I I'm just I really want to try to be biblical and I Okay. And and and when when you're when you come up and you if you're a like Most of my congregation is The old school classic Pentecostal. And so I taught 1 Corinthians 12, you know, at the very end where Paul asks those rhetorical questions.
Do all have the gift of healing? Correct. No.
Do all speak with tongues? No.
And I said, unless you're a Pentecostal. And I said, it I said we have to be true to the scriptures. Amen.
So, and that's that's what's paramount to me: I just want to be faithful to the Word of God. Um I have a I have a Baptist pastor here in my area. They're independent, so the King James only is. He interprets 1 Corinthians. uh thirteen ten as That's the KJV Bible, and I I couldn't disagree with them more.
Wow, that's stupid. When the King James onlyists uh get uppity, I'll tell you what verse to go to. after the break. It's Romans 5.18, but I'll tell you what, we'll go after it and I'll show you what they do in the Greek. Oh man, do they butcher it?
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Bard Butter, are you still there? Yes, sir?
Alright, so Romans 5.18. Oh my goodness, does the King James just burn? Butcher it. And I bring it up to people because I know the verse very well. And it says in the Greek: so then through one transgression.
condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness. justification of life to all men. Real simple. But the King James says Therefore as the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of the One, the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. The King James just Butchers it.
Just it's really bad. And so it's a very particularly interesting verse for a lot of reasons, but the NASB has the best translation, NASB 95.
So, as through one transgression, there resulted condemnation to all men.
So, also through one act of righteousness, there resulted justification of life to all men. And the King James writers, I could get into it quite a bit here, but the King James writers, they misinterpreted the mistranslated it because they were interpreting it. And I can tell you why and what, if you're interested. But Anyway, that's a good verse to undermine the reliability, the supremacy, let's just say, the King James.
Okay. Yeah, and it's uh Okay. They can't they can't see I know for a fact, like, for example, people have gone there and if they have they started reading out of their NIV and They stop them. I'm like, no, no, that translation is perverted. We don't use that here.
And It's it's almost It's almost like a form of idolatry. It's cultic. Very cultic. Not saying they're not Christians, but oftentimes, too, they have a massive problem with. with with Calvinism and and Reformed doctrine.
Yeah. It's typical. King James only people hate Reformed theology. They hate the sovereignty of God and salvation is dependent on God's uh choosing who He knows will freely choose Him under the right conditions. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. You know, that leads me to another question. I don't believe you can lose your salvation, but and In Pentecostal theology, right, you they it is taught that you basically you can, you can walk away from God.
So they wouldn't affirm eternal security. And which which I 100% do. But If you go to, like, say, a King James-only, it's like an independent, you know, Baptist church, they would affirm eternal security. But isn't that position isn't that isn't the libertarian free will position inconsistent? If Yeah.
If it's up to you to make the choice to be saved, then why couldn't you make the choice to set it down? Right. It's humanist philosophy.
So think of libertarian free will as in bed with semi-Pelagianism. Does do you know what that is, semiplaginism? Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right.
So they go together. And it God chooses us because He knows what we will do.
So our salvation depends on our wisdom and our ability.
So instead of uh the King James only basically uh all reject total depravity and they adopt a form of semi-Pelagianism. Which hence is the f bedrock for libertarian free will. And then God's choices become conditioned on man's foreseen faith, which it's just it's just amateur theology, it's just horrible. It's really bad. Yeah.
And in in Pentecostal theology, it's it's very much the same way. It but to me, it leads to the logical conclusion. It it it turns into almost like a Okay. The logical conclusion is open theism at the end of the day. And Molinism.
Right. Molinism and open theism.
So, one of the things I'll do with the people who, King James only is who teach that you can lose your salvation, I'll say, okay, let me ask you. Jesus died 2,000 years ago, right? They say, yes. I said, okay, so we have a guy named Bob who's born, let's just say, in 1960, let's just say. And He he becomes a Christian at the age of 40.
And then let's just say that he, according to your position, I'll say he goes, he loses his faith and he ends up going to hell.
So I'm going to say, now I'm going to ask you. When Jesus uh bore his sin, did he bear all of his sin? Maybe on the cross? What are they going to say? If they say yes, Well, wait a minute.
If he bore all of his sin, that means even the rejection of Christ is born, right? How could he go to hell? True. And this is the kind of logic, you know. And they'll say, well, he didn't really bear them all.
He just bore them up to the place where he would stop believing. I said, Can you show me that in the Bible? They invent theology to make it fit the Bible. They invent it. And then I'll just ask them, okay, so after 10-15 minutes of discussing this and trying to show the just the idiocy of their position with this bad thinking, I ask him, I say, look, Let me ask you: are you doing enough to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God?
That's the question. That's what it comes down to. I've had people say, yes, they are. Wow. Mm-hmm.
Absolutely. That's what man-centered theology does. God chose me because he knew what I would choose. And that's how I keep my salvation. Yeah, and oh, I keep it by my goodness, by my believing continually.
That's how it's supposed to work.
So yeah, I'm okay. Oh, they can't see the areas. I was raised in the Pentecostal holiness movement. and you want to talk about oppressive. And I was always taught you've got to keep that window clean between you and God.
any unconfessed sin. And And it just was It was oppressive. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's another thing. Unconfessed sin.
You have to confess your sins.
So then, if you don't, what happens if you do something bad and you're going to confess in an hour after you're guilt whipped by the Spirit, but you die before that happens? Do you go to heaven or hell?
Okay. Yeah. Well, i if they say, Well, you go to heaven Well, wait a minute, you just said you have to you can't do unconfessed sin. And then they say, Well, he knows you had intended to. Oh, so now God's choice ba is based on what's in your heart.
You're assuming your heart is that good. The Bible says our hearts are really wicked and deceitful, no man can trust it. Jeremiah 17:9 says, Why is it you don't believe God's word? And I and I tell him, It's because you're a humanist. You have humanist philosophy, Oh, I tell him straight, you're a humanist.
Christian humanism. Man is the center. Man's choice, man's wisdom, man's ability. That's how you stay saved. Oh.
Here we can see. Yeah. And the other thing I can throw out.
Sorry, I've done this so many times, had so many conversations like this. I'll say to these people who, you know, the Protestants who say that, I say, you know what, you're just teaching the same thing the Catholics are teaching. And they, woo, they don't like it. I tell them, yeah, you are. Because in Catholicism, you have to go through sacraments to get grace reinfused in your soul, but they also teach you have to keep.
doing well in order to stay saved. Just like you do. Oh, they don't like it. Yeah. Yeah.
Alrighty, brother. All right, brother, I appreciate the time, as always. God bless, man. God bless. Hey folks, we'll be right back.
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Now, previous caller and I talked about eternal security. I know a lot of you out there listening will disagree and say that you cannot lose or you can lose salvation. Let me just tell you, there's no place in Scripture that says you lose your salvation. You do find Jesus saying that He gives eternal life to them and they will never perish. John 3, 16, John 10, 27, 28.
When Jesus equates eternal life with eternal perishing, He does that. I give eternal life. They will never perish. Jesus came to save the ones given to him by the Father, John 6:37-40. You can read this stuff.
And if Jesus is the one who bore your sins in his body on the cross, did he bear all of your sin or not all of your sin? If he paid for your sin, Amitas done. means it's gone.
Some people mistakenly think Jesus paid for everybody's sin who ever lived, and all you have to do is accept it, to apply it to yourself. And this is not found in Scripture at all. I call I say it's found in the book of second hysterectomy. It's just not there.
Okay, but this hasn't stopped so many people from saying these things that are just not biblical. You have to accept it to apply it to yourself. Really? God's the one who grants that you have faith, Philippians 1:29. To you, it has been granted to believe.
Jesus says, You cannot come to me unless it's been granted to you from the Father. John 6:65. Jesus says, in John 6:29, he says, This is the work of God that you believe on him whom he has sent.
So, people say, Well, I'm the one who was wise enough. I was the one I saw I needed. It was up to me. That's not what the Bible says. It's not what the Bible says.
You cannot come to me unless it has been granted you from the Father. John 6, 65. I've hammered so many people with that verse. I mean, lovingly, patiently, to say, well, look at this verse. Look what it says.
How does it fit your free will? It's just up to me, theology.
Well, he gives you the opportunity to. It's not what it says. I say to the people, I say, why do you have to change God's word to make it fit what you want? Why do you do that constantly? I said, what you're teaching is is that Jesus or paid for your sin Redeemed you made you born again, then you You take yourself out of all of that by your choice.
So your choice is greater than Christ's. Your will is greater than Christ's. Your effort is greater than the sacrifice of God and flesh. Where did you get this? I say, why don't you go to Scripture?
Jesus says he gives eternal life. They will never perish. The will of the Father is that Jesus lose none. And then people say to me Well, yeah, it's the will of the Father that Jesus doesn't lose you, but you can lose yourself. Where does it say that?
People they make up so much stuff. And they just paraded in churches, from pulpits, and stuff like this. You can lose yourself. Yeah. And I know the verses people go to about you can lose your salvation, Hebrews 6, 4 through 6, Hebrews 10, 26.
They go to these other verses, you know, and I'm familiar with them and we can talk. But think about this. You know, the Bible says That He chose us from Him. From the beginning for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
And he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we be holy and blameless. Ephesians 4 and 5. Ephesians 1, 4 and 5.
So if that's the case, It means it's it's Christ's work. He's the one who did this. You're chosen, and that's it. If you're a believer, it's because you're chosen. And people don't like that.
Well, they just choose everybody.
Well, that's that's God's business, not yours. And people make it their own business. They try and step onto the throne. No, I'll tell you how God's supposed to work. I'll tell you how he is.
He's supposed to save everybody equally, give everybody an equal chance. And I say, where'd you get that? The book of Second Moronicles? Where is this? He's supposed to give everyone an equal chance.
Who are you to say what God has to do? Romans 9, 9 through 23, and I started reading that to people, and hey, man, they do not like it. But I I you know I just tip over the The idols that are in so many Protestant churches, I mentioned the ones in the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, those are big idols. But the ones here are the same kind, the one in Protestantism, same kind in those churches. And the free will is your wisdom, your ability.
And so, since it's your wisdom and your ability that got you saved, it's your choice to get you unsaved. It's up to you. Oh, my goodness, the arrogance. Of people who think that their goodness, their will, is good enough to keep them right with the infinitely holy God. My goodness I mean, I'll tell you, all you gotta do is have.
Five seconds of the presence of incredible purity shining upon your soul, just scraping the sin right out of you, I'll tell you. I tell you, you won't ever talk like that again. Oh, I keep myself right. You won't ever do it. No.
People who say that na They've not experienced that deep, profound, Holy Power had just rocks you to your core. Oh man, and you realize you're saved by grace, you're kept by grace. The blood of Christ is the blood of God. It's paid, it's done. He doesn't make mistakes.
When he calls you, you're his. But yet so many weak theologians, weak teaching pastors. Oh, no, no you are the one who's sovereign. I remember a pastor locally here said, Your words have more power in your life than the words of Christ. What an arrogant ignorant pastor.
I heard him I heard him say it. In a recording, people ask me about this one church locally here. Oh my goodness. What foolishness And so much is across the Christian church. And that, oh, by the way, that church is just exploding.
I guess that's what happens when you tickle people's ears. Let's get to Scott from Washington. Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Hi there.
I just had a quick question on some definitions of certain words. Just three words. I was hoping that you could define the first one would be. provisionism or a provisionist. And God that's from St.
Layton Flowers. God provides the opportunities for you to believe under the right circumstances. Kind of a blend of Mullenism and libertarian free willism with Semi Pelagianism. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Okay, what about fundamentalist?
Well, it can have different meanings, but uh it's used differently, but fundamentalists generally are kind of known as those who adhere to the Bible strictly legally, a little bit legalistic about dress, drinking, movies and things like that, generally.
Okay. And then last one is dispensationalist. Yeah, dispensationalism is a movement from the late no or mid-1800s, early 1900s, where they look at the Bible in dispensations or epochs of time, that God works through time. Differently.
So before the fall, it was the age of grace or the dispensation of grace. After the fall, Was dispensation. They have words for him. I forgot what that one is. And then from Moses.
On Is the dispensation of the law. And then we're in the dispensation of grace.
So, in other words, these are how God works. They break up epics of history, periods of history, through major biblical events, and then they assign a style of work that God does through them at that time. And they'll call it dispensationalism. I don't see it in the scripture. But we do find in the scriptures covenant.
And so God works covenantally. We see God work covenantally all over the place. A covenant is a pact or an agreement between two or more parties. God works graciously from before the fall to after the fall. In the Old Testament and the New Testament.
So that's not to say all dispensationalists are the same or that they reject covenant. They don't. But that's that's just the the basics of what it is, okay?
Okay, cool. Yeah, see, my church rejects dispensationalism and they teach covenants, like you were saying. But I just I've noticed that. I thought about it. I'm like, I don't really exactly know what dispensationalism really is, so I figured I'd ask.
Um on Carmon it back in twenty On June? Huh. Oh, I wrote what are some of the problems with it? Age of Innocence. Adam.
Adam and Eve before they sinned, the age of conscience from the first sin to the flood, civil government. Uh from the flood. There was government and the promise from Abraham, the a the dispensation of promise, Abraham to Moses, then the dispensation of the law from Moses to the cross, dispensation of grace from the cross to the millennial kingdom, and millennial kingdom dispensation is the rule of Christ on earth in a thousand years. Yeah, and they'd like to do seven. Seven uh dispensations.
Okay. Okay. Well, yeah, that's that's all I have for today.
Well, good. Hope it was helpful.
Okay. I'm glad your church rejects it, personally. Yeah. It's not to say that this was a very good thing. They're still saved, they're still Christians, I just don't agree with that methodology of imposing uh epics of times and means of modes and stuff like that upon scripture.
I think these are just go they should go covenantal. That's the best way. Yeah, speaking of that, have you ever heard of a writer whose last name is Campbell? His Israel and the New Covenant is the book? Um yeah, I've heard of al uh Oh, what's his name?
Oh, we gotta break hold on a little bit of research. But yeah, he's in the 1800s, Campbell. And what was the name of the book? What? Israel and the New Covenant.
Okay, I'll check it out really fast. All right.
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Here's Matt Slick. Hello, Robbie. Welcome back to the show. Why, Scott, are you still there, brother? Yes, sir.
Okay, what were we talking about before the break?
So I was working on other stuff. I have a few books on the covenant, on covenant theology and. I was just wondering if you've heard of the Israel and the New Covenant one. Yeah, yeah, I remember now.
Okay, so I did some research during the break.
Sorry, I'm really tired. I didn't get much sleep last night. He was in the 1800s, and he helped found some of the, it was called the Campbellite movement, and other groups, particularly the Church of Christ, came out of it. He taught baptism was necessary for salvation. Acts 2:38.
So he preached a false gospel.
So I would not trust him.
Okay,'cause I have another one too and it's just called The Israel of God by Robertson. The Israel of God by Roberts. Is that a dispensational book also? It's okay to read these if you understand that there's a lot of caution that you should have with them. while you're reading them.
I'll read books like that because I want to see what the The other side is saying, all right? And but this is this looks like it's from PNR, Presbyterian Reformed, publishing Reformed Presbyterian Theologian, Main Arguments: The Land, God's Land Promised to Israel, Israel Identity, Romans 11:26. He argues it means a full member of elect Jews saved through the history, not a single mass. What people push back, dispensationalists and many premillennialists argue his point of future national turning of Jews to Christ. Points to its future.
Many disputes argue that, okay, so I guess he. I don't know. He argues that the Israel of God is the church. Nah, nah, I wouldn't agree with him. But, you know, PR is a good, generally good presby.
Publishing House. pushed a lot of stuff. I I actually submitted a book or uh to I think try. Didn't get it uh with them. Yeah, I'm back to that.
Oh really? Um Yeah, so they're they're not the hugest uh publishing house, but they they they're good.
So at least they were back then.
Okay, that's all I can tell you. All right.
Okay. Yeah, I know, sounds good. Do you have time for one more question? Sure. I got nobody waiting, so go ahead.
Sure. Okay, cool. So, based on what you just said, so what do you think? What is the Israel of God?
Well,. I don't know the term. I'd have to do a search on just the term, the Israel of God. But from what I understand, Uh It can be used for Replacement theology in that the Christian church has replaced Israel, and we are the Israel of God. We're true Israel.
That we are the ones who brought all this the fruition and fullness of what the The true working of God is through the believers. Israel represented God, but they blew it and they rejected the Messiah.
So Israel is replaced. And so some people will say the true Israel of God are the Christians. And in Romans 11:25-26, I'm of the opinion, as a lot of Reformed people are, that God's not done with Israel yet. And that the Israel of God is actually the national group of of uh of Israeli of Israelites.
So there's discussion about it. There's debates. You have to see how the term is used.
Okay. Yeah, because I'm always just sort of ass I don't know about assume, but I've I've Pretty sure I've been taught in the past that The Israel of God. doesn't it's not necessarily the church replacing Israel, but it's basically all believers throughout all time. Which nowadays I guess we call modern-day the church, you know, believers in Christ among the world, but that even. Basically they elect.
in a broad sense, would be the Israel of God. That's what I've always thought. But Right. You know, because not all Israel are Israel, which I think tells me that it's not just the Jews, national Jews.
So it tells me maybe it has to be what I what I just said, but I don't know for sure. Right, and here's the thing: is that the phrase Israel of God occurs in Galatians 6:16. And the previous verse says, Neither circumcision is anything nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
So, the phrase is in the Bible, what does it mean? Here it seems to mean the people of God, just like what you were saying. But different groups can use the terms differently. That's why I always say who's using it, what's the context? And things like that.
But that's the phrase, the Israel of God, in Galatians six, sixteen.
Okay. Okay. All right, well good. Um yeah, I think that's all I got.
Well, okay. Oh man, sorry about that. I got a nice yawn there. That was good. I needed it.
Go get yourself some coffee, buddy. Oh man, I've been working a lot, and none of it on Carm.
So. Yeah. Okay. Alright, okay, Rudder.
Alright, have a good one.
Okay, man. God bless. All right.
Well, there we go.
Now we have nobody waiting right now, so let me just kind of give you an update on some stuff. A week from Wednesday, I'll be flying to Europe. And so next week, and I have to drive to a place on Tuesday. Which means I probably won't be on the air Tuesday, probably will be on the air on Monday. I'll be on the rest of the air here.
uh this week and then I'll be going to Germany and uh England. And um I'll be doing a tour, a Bible tour. We're going to go through the tour of the Reformation, called a Reformation tour. and be with uh Clare Johnson and Bill McKeever and other uh guys. It was a lot of fun.
We we've I've done many with them, or several I should say. And uh it it's good. And and um I'll be doing that and then come back. I don't know I don't know what it'll be like when I get back because I got to drive a few hours to get back here when I get back to the place where I take off from. And, um,.
So I've done it before where you get back from Europe, and man, your sleep is all messed up. It took me like four days before I was back to normal. And I remember I'd get up at 4 o'clock in the morning wide awake. Hey, it's time for me to get up. And uh, try and get through stuff anyway.
So that's that. I'll be gone. Uh, when I'm gonna be back, I'm gonna be back, um, let's see. It'll be about two weeks, so I'll just say that.
Someone at the house here. Guarding the house and stuff like that. I won't give you much details beyond that, but it'll be taken care of. And I don't trust people. I don't trust Christians.
I don't trust Christians, but I would trust a lot of people they know I'll be gone because I'm going to be out the air and they're going to know why.
So that's why. And. Yeah. But we're going to have uh The house will be occupied, all right? And stop.
So, uh So I think that's it for that.
Now, let's see.
So. Um You know, I can talk about different things here.
Well, one I need to let you know is that we stay in the air by your support. And we do need it. We do need it. Um we don't have enough to keep us above uh Keep us afloat on our own. We have a donor or two or three that sometimes will come in at the last minute and help us out, and God has done that so many times, and we're so grateful for that.
But the goal is that we have a set income coming in from $5, $10, $15, $20 a month donors. We have so many of them. That's what we want, is that we then don't have to worry about anything. And instead of our savings in the CARM account going down all the time, then it's enough to cover what we need, which includes paying the missionaries. We support missionaries.
That's really a neat thing to do. We've been doing it for, I think, 15 years. We have a missionary we've been supporting in Colombia, South America. Another one, I think, 11 or 12 years, in In Sao Paulo area of Brazil. And I'm trying to remember how we got involved with them.
But I think I remember. It's been so long. But these are good guys who pursued karm and pursued. Ministry, they were have hearts for the Lord. Got to know them after a year or two.
We started helping them out a little bit, and then it just became what we were able to support them, and we did. And now that we we're in their full-time support. They don't need a lot. But they do need enough. we support them.
We also have two guys in in Nigeria. And now here's something I've told I mean one guy in Nigeria, one guy in Malawi. The guy in Nigeria, we we call him Moses, that's the the code name, because we don't use his real name for obvious reasons, because the Muslims want to want to kill him. Um he He uh He is starting a church denomination in Nigeria, the Reformed Church of Nigeria. And he needs a sponsor and so Karm sponsors sponsoring him.
And so they use a lot of car material. He goes, he prints stuff up, and we send him a printer, or we bought him a printer. He's sent it to him, we bought him a printer. And he just uses it and prints up tracts all over the place and distributes them. And he's distributed information against Islam.
And against the name it and claim it prosperity gospel, says God wants you rich and healthy all the time. And he says it's just He's just destroying churches out there. He's working against it. He's been physically attacked by a Christian pastor. Who did not like the idea of him preaching and teaching God's sovereignty?
over all things. And this guy attacked him. He says, no, it's up to you, your wisdom. God wants you wealthy. He wants you with lots of money.
And he attacked Moses. and he had to go to the hospital.
Okay. And Moses tells us these stories, and when he calls us sometimes, electricity's not on. Because they have power outages where he's at, and sometimes you'll sleep in his car as he travels and stuff like that. And so we support Moses. And uh he's a he's a good, godly man.
He he's really a good guy. And it sounds funny. A guy from Nigeria, you know, no, he's legit. He's legit. We've seen.
pictures of of him preaching and teaching and he's on when he's live. Groups of people will come in. They'll talk about Jesus behind them. Yeah, we love the Lord Jesus. You know, it's really good.
We see the videos and. in different churches he's at and stuff like that.
So it's really nice. And uh that a guy Malawi, he goes to different countries in the area, that's southern-ish uh Africa and he goes and he preaches and teaches at colleges. and uses much car material as well. Anyway, I'm just telling you, okay? And then uh there's my salary, and then there's the salary for uh For Web maintenance.
But here's something else. What we're trying to do, I'm just giving nobody waiting. I'm just going to talk about this. What we're trying to do is develop a new system. We have a guy working on it, but we can't pay him very much because we don't have much.
And he just loves the Lord and he wants to serve God. He says, pay me what you can when you can. We'll just trust God. And he's developing a system that we hope we can use for other ministries. And it'll be his, of course.
And we're going to move the schools over to them, a brand new system. Because things have changed over the years. The schools used to work so smoothly, but now they're not. And we have a glitch every now and then. And so we have to work on a few of those things.
But we're trying to upgrade, and it just takes. Let's just say five to ten thousand dollars to get this done. And we're just inching along, like, hey, we got a hundred bucks. Let's put a couple bricks on the church building. We'll wait till the next hundred dollars comes in.
We'll put some more bricks up. That kind of thing is what's happening. And we're just waiting for God to come through. And that's okay. That's all right.
We need to get that done. We need to get the schools moved over and add some schools. I want to do some more schools, and I want to do some teaching, video teaching for the schools as well. Anyway, the music's gonna start. I hope you all had a good time listening and May the Lord bless you.
I hope you had a great weekend. And by his great, wonderful grace. We'll be back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. I hope you all have a great evening, everyone.
God bless. Talk to you later. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.
