Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright and welcome back to the show. Hey, it's a nice uh Oh, Tuesday, that's right. We had a good weekend, didn't we? Yeah, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772-07-2276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call. And uh hope you all had a good uh Fourth of July.

So I did, and hope you guys can hear me. Everything's set right with the sound, is okay, Charlie.

Sounds good?

Okay, good. And um Oh boy, there's so many things to talk about here.

So, you know, every year my wife and I would go to some friend's house. And we would Watch fireworks. We all put a bunch of money in, a group of us, and then one guy would go down and buy a bunch of fireworks, and we'd like fireworks for an hour, and the kids would watch. And it was the first, yeah, it was the first time we went there without my wife. It was tough.

It was tough, you know, but. bore through it, stuck through it and uh almost left at one point, but Yeah, I'm glad I stayed. I'll tell you, holidays can be tough when you've spent so many years with your spouse and And that changes But you know what? Praise God, and I'm grateful for our country being two hundred and fifty years old. That is just awesome.

I enjoyed it, I enjoyed the fireworks, I enjoyed the fellowship. And I hope you all had a great weekend. I hope you all had a great weekend with the fireworks and nobody got hurt. You know, a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun.

I had a lot of fun. It was great. Yeah. All right, so we're back on the air. Today's date is 7-7-26.

And if you want to give me a call, all you got to do. Is dial eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. All right, so Get this.

So, a few days ago, I started thinking, and then maybe it was yesterday, I can't remember. And I started wondering about um What I don't know where it came from. What would AI would say was a true truest religion? And I started thinking about that. And I started wondering: okay, what would it say?

But you can't just say, What's the best religion? And I spent time Today, in particular, I spent hours on it. and I release an article. Oh. Which worldview is true?

No, it's a catchy kind of a title, and Uh It's not the best title, but it's just something to people to relate to. A world view is a set of assumptions that we work with that we then judge the world by and explain things with and stuff like that. Yeah. So I had five AIs open, five. And what I did was, I went in.

And I asked I developed a prompt or a definition, first I said a definition of a worldview. And I've been dealing with world use for years, so I had a pretty good definition. I put it into one AI and said, Can you improve this? And it did. I took that definition, modified it myself, put it into a different AI, can you improve this?

End speed. It offered a suggestion. Then I modified that one, and it did this about 15 times. 15 or 20 times I did it between the different AIs to get down what I thought was a really good. Worldview.

And the reason is because I wanted to then develop a prompt. That would say which one of uh which worldview is better?

Well, better what? Biggest number? Oldest.

So that presented another problem. And I had to go through that and um So I actually used a lot of AI to help. deal with what the major issues are. In Worldview. I did this on purpose because it was an AI article.

And so I've known for years and years that worldviews need to account for our own existence, morality, logic. Things like this. And so I asked, I went through, let's put this put this way. I developed an AI that, or a prompt. Oh.

About a worldview as a comprehensive framework of foundational beliefs and assumptions about reality, knowledge, morality, and human existence. And that there were six ultimate questions.

Now, first, there were like many questions, but they were nuanced. And I I broke it down into the main categories of of uh Of stuff like does God exist or not? What's the nature of reality? Uh is it you know eternal or not eternal? Uh how does truth to get Discovered, what is right and wrong?

You know, just basic things, categories that we could understand. And then I worked on a prompt. Like I said. that would analyze That worldview, that using that worldview definition, then I said, now apply it to, well, then I had to come up with. Different worldviews.

Well, since we're doing apologetics, I said Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, atheistic naturalism, agnosticism, and atheistic naturalism, because there's many, there's different kinds of atheism.

So I just said atheistic naturalism. And agnosticism.

So that's one, two, three, four, five, six different major categories. Not going to get done a lot, a lot. Fewer.

Now I may what I may do is use this prompt that I've developed, which took me I don't know how many iterations between five different AIs to come up with a a criteria by which a view can be examined. And the criteria came up with was internal consistency, explanatory power, ability to account for truth and reason, foundation for morality, understanding of human nature and purpose, and practical livability.

So now there could be more. But these are the ones I came up with because I I didn't want the article to be 800 pages long because it gets so nuanced, and it started to. As I would ask questions, the answers started getting very, very lengthy.

So I asked it to reduce the answers to summaries and things like this. And so I wanted to assess each AI, I wanted to assess whether each world view provides a coherent and comprehensive explanation of reality. uh contains unresolved tensions, contradictions, or unanswered questions.

So I cleared that as well. My goal was to see what it would say, what each AI would say if they were different. and I was going to put up the results no matter what they were. If Christianity came in last, I was going to put in that was the case and then make a commentary on it. Maybe go back and look and learn.

The result was very interesting. The result was very interesting. in each of the five AI's Christianity came out as number one spot. And then what I did was I asked E A I Each of the AIs, the five different ones, I said, please. A summarize Each Group each thought: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheistic, Naturalism, and Agnosticism to 75 words or less summary.

Then I took all of those, so that was six reasons. On five different AIs, that's 30 things. And I put it into Claude because I just use Claude a lot. And I said, summarize these, keep it to 75 words or less. You know, combine them all, summarize them, and then I put the result there.

on the Carm site.

So uh The overall assessment is this. Then that's what I do as well: is take all of the information and do an overall assessment.

So, this is really an AI-driven assessment. um article. And it was for me it was a lot of fun. I asked it to do it in a 100 word or less paragraph. And here's the answer.

Christianity provides a strongest explanatory framework grounding reality, reason, morality, and human purpose in a personal triune Creator, with resurrection resolving death and few unresolved tensions. Islam follows closely as a coherent monotheism, but has tension between divine will and reason. Hinduism and Buddhism handle suffering well, but lack unified metaphysical grounding. Atheistic naturalism explains the physical world, but cannot ground objective morality or trustworthy reason. Agnosticism ranks last, offering no positive answers.

Ultimately, the strongest framework depends on one's foundational presuppositions about reality.

So, I thought it was an interesting article. It took me half a day to write it.

Now, remember, I have four 27-inch monitors. And then I have a speech recognition program.

So I can work pretty quickly. I can work pretty efficiently. And with different windows open, I could say, okay, improve this one, take this, put it over to another window. And another AI says, what do you think of this one? And that's all I would say, what do you think of this?

And it would give me reasons. I'd say, okay, what improvements do you suggest? And I would just take those and say, take it to another AI. What do you think of this? What suggestions do you have?

Until finally they wouldn't offer any more suggestions. Say, no, this is good. And except for super minor, like a spelling this or one-word change or things like that, were really, really minor. And so I just said, okay, done with that. And that's the result of the article.

And then I did a video on it. And if you want to check this out, you can. Just go to the Carm homepage. Which worldview is true according to AI? What do you think?

It'd be interesting. I thought it was a good tackle. And now I'm thinking about doing something with Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism. And having And then Calvinism and Mormonism, and then have AI work on analysis.

Now, you know, it's AI, but I'm going to actually put in the criteria, the methodology I arrived at, to arrive at the most objective, systematic approach that we can do. And anyway, I'd be interested in some feedback if any of you have any of that. Let's get to Richard from North Carolina. Richard, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey Matt, how are you doing today? Doing all right by God's grace. Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. What do you got?

Good. I did. I had a question. I called you last week about Matthew chapter 7. I got a different question about same verse, verse twenty two.

Um And it says, Many will say unto me that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and your name have we not cast out devils? And I've done many good works, wonderful works.

So the question is, especially about the in your name have cast out devils. How can people cast out devils in Jesus' name. If, as in verse 23, it told us, he said he never knew them.

So they were never in relationship with Jesus Christ. How can they do that? Because the power doesn't rest in the individual holding it, but in who its representative.

So if you go to Acts 19, 13. It says this. but also some of the Jewish exorcists Who went from place to place attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches. Seven sons of Skiva, Jewish chief priests, were doing this. And the evil spirit answered and said to them, I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul.

But who are you? And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded. And it became known to all of them about this.

So they weren't even believers, but they were using the power of the name of Christ.

Now let me take another little side note here. Let me go to Acts 4:7. And it says there, when they had placed them in the center. They began to inquire by what power or in what name had Have you done this? Peter said, filled with the Holy Spirit, rulers and elders of Israel, run trial today, etc., etc., by the name of Jesus of Nazarene, whom you crucified.

This is whom, by the power we're doing this with. The name of Jesus.

Now, it doesn't have to be pronounced Jesus or Jesus, but it's the intentionality of who Jesus is and that name associated with him. You can do it in different languages. And so this name is what carries the power. And when they were using it, the sons of Skiva in Acts 19, they were able to, let's just say, get things done.

Okay. And so when we go to Matthew 7, 22, and we see they're able to cast out demons, it's because the power is in the name of Christ, not in their own authority, which is a very important question, issue. And hold on, Richard, because we've got to break right back after these messages. Please, ladies and gentlemen, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have one open line 877-207-2276. All right, Rich, you still there? Yes, sir. Did that help?

Yes, that helped. And the question I have, though, is a sense of schema. Uh they were they successful or not?

Well, it doesn't say they were or were not, but it does say the demonic force attacked them.

So i would But it okay.

So let me read it again. The evil spirit answered, said, I recognize them, and who are you? And the spirit leaped on them. It says, Then the man in whom, okay, so the man leaped on him. Hey, so it's interesting.

So the spirit did not leave that man, but jumped on them and overcame them.

So, the point here, though, is that the power is in the name of Jesus. And that's how people are able to do these things.

So, even Catholics could do it, even though they're not true Christians.

Okay. Okay. I'm okay. All right, thank you very much. All right, well, God bless.

All right. There we go. We have two open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Chris from North Carolina.

Welcome, Yuronier. Matt, Chris from Creedmoor was shaking bacon. Nothing's shaking right now. We don't have any earthquakes. We had a good storm a couple weeks ago, but other than that, I'm used to earthquakes from Southern California.

Matt, the only reason I, man, the only reason I called, I just heard you talking about this being your first. Four could you lie without your wife? Right. And I just want to tell you that. you know, those occasions are going to be tough.

And I'm I'm glad you you stuck in there and hung out with your friends because, you know, right now that's what you need. And um You know, my mother. We had a very unique relationship. My father passed away three days before my fourteenth birthday. And so it was mostly my mother and I And Christmas was by far her favorite time of the year.

I remember one year she. She decorated for Christmas today after Halloween. But Just notice that if you could see your wife right now, she'd have the biggest smile on her face. Oh, yeah. And she would say, Matt, I love you, honey, but I'm going to stay here with our Savior, and I'll be waiting on you when you get here.

And I mean, I think I speak for most, if not all, of your listeners when I say our thoughts and prayers and hearts are with you. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. It's been interesting because she passed away in November, and then the next month I had. my birthday and then we had Christmas and then it was her birthday the next uh two months later, then it was our other daughter's birthday.

And so we've gone through in just in seven months a lot of celebrations and birthdays. It's been. It's been tough, but I'm learning through it, and I appreciate it. You know, I do appreciate it. I know she's with the Lord, and I've asked the Lord to tell her hi.

You know, I said, I don't know how it works, but tell her hi and warn her someday I'll be out there with her. Maybe she might want to, you know, get a reservation, different place. That's right. Yeah, Christmas, it I never know from year to year how I'm gonna react. And my wife has learned that if I shut down and don't talk a lot, that is on my mind.

And you know, you're going to have those times, but we have the We have the saving faith of no one Um, you know, it's not forever, it's just a temporary separation. Amen. I just wanted to tell you, man, and I know you've talked before about your children, some of them not walking with the Lord, but. Keep praying, and we're praying, and we just want to tell you, man, we love your house. I appreciate it, brother.

I do appreciate that.

So thanks, appreciate it. Yes, sir. Well, look, you have a good one. I'm going to go back to listening to you. All right.

Sounds good, brother. God bless. Thanks. All right, man. Bye-bye.

Okay. You know, just a real comment before we get to the next caller. You know, I'm on the radio, so I get to talk about that. A lot of people are going through loss of loved ones silently, don't have really friends to talk to and have give feedback to. And um As difficult as that might be with a lot of people, I just uh I would just ask, I think a recommendation would be to pray and ask God to provide people to hang with.

to be able to talk to because it's it's helpful. And um We all share this life of failure, pain, suffering, loss as well as good times and I'm just thankful for the Lord for all of them. by his mercy and by his grace. Let's get to the next longest waiting is Kim from Ohio. Kim, welcome.

You're on the air. Hi there, this is Jim. I'm a first-time caller. I just had a question on Matthew 7:6 about casting your. Pearls before swine.

I am my mother's caregiver, and she is. a Catholic and I left the Catholic Church when I was in my twenties. which she was very angry about. But I wanted to know how long do you try to witness to someone before you're basically casting your pearls before swine. That is such a good question, and the answer is varied.

depends on your heart, your motivation, your your circumstances, your ability, your fatigue. Um the the recipient, the condition of the recipient. There's so many variables. And what I say, I I just say, look, just just try. And I've had people ask me, the same kind of situation that you're in.

And I say as long as they're still breathing. You know, keep praying and keep trying at the right time. Ask God who. To open up the heart and mind of that person. And one of the things I would suggest is just ask her if she's trusted Jesus to forgive her of her sins, because that's what it comes down to.

Ask her credit to Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins, because He's the one who does that. You don't have to argue, you can just say that because it's true, and that's the power of the gospel. Right, I do that, and she just holds up her hand and says, I don't want to talk to you about that.

So, you know, it's just a very defiant like, I am not going to talk to you about that. Yeah, because she's in a false religion and Her she'd been brainwashed by the false pagan religion of of uh Roman Catholicism. It's really shameful to see this. It was reminiscent of the kind of thing I've been observing with Eastern Orthodox people. their absolute unwillingness to bow to the gospel.

and atheists who uh absolutely are unwilling to bow to God. It's just more and more. I'm thinking, are these people actually reprobate? I mean, I'm not judging them, but. It's like, man, I'm starting to see the people who really are given over by God to unbelief.

And to lie. to quit saying things and just hope that she sees how I love her because I'm her caregiver. Yeah, I think it's okay. But what I would do is just run that by the Lord, and He knows your heart. He knows that you want to get that gospel to her.

And you just ask questions like: Should I stop for a while, stop permanently? What do I do? And give it to him and just ask that he open her heart and opportunities. And you never know.

Okay. All right? Thank you, man.

Alright, thanks. God bless. Okay. You know, folks should pray for her and her mom. God knows who it is.

We'll be right back. We'll get on the phone with Oscar right after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772. 072276. Let's get to Oscar from New York. Oscar, welcome.

You're on the air. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you.

Thank you. I uh I'm kind of puzzled at times. Why are so many churches having women pastors? Is it a violation of the Bible or Word of God, or is it all right? It's because they're in sin and rebellion against the truth of God's word, and that's why so many pastors and churches are favoring women pastors and elders.

And they need to repent of their sin.

Okay. Fly out. You need to repent of it. It's sinful. Because Paul the Apostle has clearly stated, and I can give you the argument, and I'll do this again.

I right now offer that I will fly out to your location to debate this issue. Does the Bible support women, pastors, and elders? And I've been offering this this challenge to have a formal debate. In front of their church, their time. with a with a moderator.

As long as we can film it, and I'll even pay my expenses to get out there and stuff. And I've been doing this for over 20 years, and not a single person. church, whatever, has taken me up on this offer. Not one in all these years. And I believe the reason is simple.

They know, I'm going to go to God's Word, and I've got verses they can't answer. They are in rebellion against the Word of God. They need to repent. They need to stop. And it's sinful.

It is sinful behavior that they are doing. And furthermore, my research on this: 80% of the churches and denominations that approve women pastors and elders within two generations start approving of homosexuality. 80%. That's my research from, I don't know, 10 years ago when I did that research. And.

So four fifths, eighty percent. And it's bad. And, you know, I talk to people who have women pastors and elders. Why do you do that? Why why do you do that?

Well, because it's okay. No, it's not okay. And In fact, this reminds me.

Someone sent me a meme. I've got to find it on my phone, or I forgot where. You know, I joked around about having a team of apologists. What they do is tackle people, physically tackle people.

So you have some guy up in the pulpit preaching. Women could be pastors and elders. And you see this guy flying horizontally across. He's going to tackle this guy. Get him out of the pulpit.

And someone sent me a meme. It was funny. At any rate, of them doing that. But, um Yeah, we need this. And there's more connected to this, why this is so important.

And people just Because their theology is so shallow, they don't understand the corpus of biblical theology, they don't understand the hierarchical structure of the Trinitarian communion, the economic trinity, the ontological trinity, and how the trinity is necessary preconditions for intelligibility, morality, and ecclesiology. Ecclesiology, excuse me, and they don't understand what these things are. They have an insufficient corpus in their minds and hearts about God's Word. And so, therefore, in my opinion, they lick their finger, put it up in the air, and say, Which way is the liberal doctrinal wind blowing? I'm going to follow that and see if I can get my wife to be a pastor under me, but it'll be okay.

Blah, blah, blah. Heresy upon heresy. And then, when I challenge people on it, oh man. I guess stories. They get hostile.

physically hostile. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yep. Thank you very much, Link, and thanks.

Bye-bye.

Okay, you're welcome.

Now, before we get to Jim from Ohio on the return of Christ, um Let me just say what happened. I was just telling the story yesterday, two days ago. when over someone's house for dinner. And we got talking about this.

Well, anyway, years ago here in the area, I asked a local church, a big church. I asked, I emailed them, contacted them. Could we talk about the issue of why you have women elders? And they wrote back and said, yeah, I'd be glad to. I said, trying to be biblical and talk to people.

And then they went back on their word. And they said yes, and they said no. They went back on their word. Let your yes be yes, your no be no. I went down to the place and.

And, you know, and say, Well you know, you won't Agree, but I thought I'd come down here and you guys said you would, and the Bible said, Let your yes be yes, your no be no, that we could discuss this issue. And they said, We're not going to discuss it with you. I said, Well, but you agreed to, and the Bible says to give an answer for your reason that lies within you. 1 Peter 3:15. They wouldn't do it.

And I said, okay. I'm going to go to the body of Christ. I don't want you threatening us. And they didn't, this guy didn't realize it was an elder. And hold on.

He didn't realize that what I was doing was being biblical. I came to you guys. You guys said you would do this. I'm asking you biblically to give an answer for your reason for why you're doing this. You refuse to submit to Scripture, so now my warrant is to go to the body of Christ.

And so he said, Oh, you're threatening us?

So, anyway, I wrote up a tract and I went out in front of that church that following weekend. And I started passing out literature. And it was snowing. It was snowing.

Okay. And I passed out literature to the cars. As they're coming in, I didn't I wasn't mean, wasn't yelling, wasn't doing anything wrong. I stood on the sidewalk. And I did not block vehicular traffic, and there was no pedestrian traffic.

I think one person got out and asked me what I was doing. And anyway, the church called the cops on me. The church called the cops on me. I assume it was a church, maybe somebody else, but they called the cops on me. And this is really shameful.

For them. Shameful because what they should have been doing is coming out to make sure I was okay. You know, you okay? You need any hot coffee or anything that keeps you warm? You know, we don't agree with you, but are you okay?

That's what you should have been doing. I had Mormons When I was out passing up literature in front of a temple, in Twin Falls, I had Mormons treat me better than the Christians did. When I was passing out literature, And I had Mormons come out with bottled water. And say, you know, we understand why you're doing this. We don't agree with you, but you need new water.

And I gladly said, yes, I appreciate that. Thank you. I took water. You know, because they were nice people. The Mormons treated me better.

Okay, so then after passing out the literature there. The cops came and said everything was fine, blah, blah, blah. I drove home, and what I was doing, I had been doing for the couple, three weeks, was just emailing people, you know, church. And what's your reason for winning pastors and elders? And basically, no one would respond because they didn't want to get into that issue.

Now, why is that? Gosh. And so there was this one church on the way home. I'm going to stop by this church, too.

So I did. Long. Story Short. I ended up in the parking lot of that church. backing up slowly with my hands, In the martial arts defense stance, known as Krav Magaw.

Okay, took robbing God for years. And you what you do is you put your hands uh in front. But your fingers are open. And your left hand's, you know, I'm right-footed. My left hand is in front, my right hand is behind it, and I'm backing up.

There's a way to back up. You actually have a certain way to keep your feet in the ground. I literally was doing this because of the aggression from the church members and the pastor. This is no joke. Finally, I got to my car and just got out of there.

And they were yelling at me: Yeah, you better get out of here. These are Christians.

Now, what the stinking heck is going on if they claim to follow Christ, and then I say, Can you give me an answer according to Scripture why you're doing this way? this and they get hostile. This is why this is to me an example of apostasy in the Christian church when women, pastors, and elders exist. I'm dead serious because the Bible, I can give a big reason for it, I can give a big shading on it. And out of the scriptures, I know how to answer the objections.

I know what Phoebe and Deborah and the old test might know about this stuff. And um Uh oh. I threw 20 plus years.

Okay, I'll fly out to your church as long as we agree to debate this one topic.

Okay. Does the Bible support women, pastors and elders? And it's filmed, and we can each do what you want with the film as long as they don't edit it and make it look the other person bad, you know, and have a moderator. and stuff like that. I'll I'll pay my own way to get out there.

Not a single person or church has accepted it. in over twenty years and I've been on a lot of stations. Uh Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Look, ladies and gentlemen, if you are attending a church in which there is a woman pastor, leave. If you're attending a church where there's an elder pastor, a woman elder, leave.

Let me tell you something. This is what it says in 1 Timothy 5:17. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching.

So a preacher is by definition an elder.

Okay. In 1 Timothy 2:12 and 13, Paul says, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but remain silent, for Adam was first created. He's tying it to the created order. In 1 Timothy 3, 1 Timothy 3, the overseer must be the husband of one wife. 1 Timothy 3.

Deacons must be men of dignity. We go to Titus chapter 1. It says, The elders, appoint elders in every city, as I directed you. Namely, a man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. That's what the Bible says.

Here's my question. How's a woman fit that? How does a woman become a husband of one wife?

Well, maybe if they were to lick their fingers put up in the liberal doctrinal wind and see which way is going, and they can find out what the liberals' definitions for marriage are, for male and female, and they can walk that way. That's right. You know, I'm just going to say it like it is. If you're a pastor or an elder in the position, you hold to the idea: women, pastors, and elders, you're in sin, you need to repent. And if you're attending a church that goes like that, you shouldn't be attending it.

Okay. After the break, we'll get to Jim from Ohio on The Return of Christ. We have three open lines: 8772-07-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

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All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Jim from Ohio. Jim, welcome. You're on the air, brother. Uh hello, Matt.

First time caller, but I've enjoyed your program for quite some time.

Well, good. Thank you. My question is in regard to the relevance of Jewish festivals in um focusing On the return of Christ. I know that. you know, crisis death occurred during the Passover.

He was in the grave during unleavened bread. He rose on first fruits. And then he sent the Comforter on Passover.

Now there's three remaining. festivals that typically occur in the fall. And this is like your take. on the relevance of that. as far as the Christians looking forward to price return.

Well, I've never really done an exhaustive study on the festivals and how they relate, though once I did try and produce. a table that represented where different events throughout biblical history occurred.

So we have some s uh but I never finished it. We have some uh Issues here: the trumpets, the feast of trumpets, and the tabernacle feast of booths. And um So at home. And yeah, and atonement, right. And so uh The trumpet seems to be related to 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 through chapter 5, verse 9, with the sound of the trumpet, and also with Matthew 24, I think around verse, what is it, 28, 29?

31, I think it is, after the tribulation of those days, he'll come back with the voice of the archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

So it looks like the trumpets going to be associated with the return of Christ and the rapture.

So, uh That so I believe they're the same day. The rapture and the return of Christ and the new heavens, new earth are all the same day. That's my opinion.

So, but it'd be interesting to see. If the issue of the feasts poked a hole in my position. Because I think the trumpets is pretty obvious. This is what that's referring to in the return of Christ. It'll happen probably in the Feast of the Trumpets.

The Feast of Booths and the Day of Atonement. I'd be interested to see Eschatologically, how they might fit from different perspectives: pre-mill, aw-mill, and post-mill. But I haven't done that in homework yet. I haven't done that yet. It'd be interesting.

Let me ask one more question. I'll look at every time, but in Luke 19, 44. Um Christ laments over Jerusalem, and I think he's maybe talked to the Pharisees about them not being aware of his visitations. Right. Would that suggest that we should be more aware of his second visitation.

That's an interesting perspective. I think you could make the case because he's talking to the Jews. They didn't understand who he was. And.

It says, not one stone upon another. Every time I read that, I think of me being there in Jerusalem and seeing some of those stones turned down, and they're huge. and the prophecy of Christ is true. But they didn't recognize the first visitation. And We Christians need to be ready for the second.

for the return of Christ. And I think most Christians Are looking forward to it, you know, and they're hoping. They just don't know when. Yeah. Yeah.

Well I don't know. Yes, I am looking forward to it.

However, my view. Which I hope to be wrong, in all honesty. I teach depresscatology. It is going to get bad. I teach that we're going to be persecuted.

And so the visitation, his return, will only come, in my opinion, after there's been world upheaval and famines and plagues and persecution of Christians.

So I'm looking forward to his return, but I'm not looking forward to going through it to get to the return, you know. I think a lot of Christians confuse uh tribulation and God's wrath. Yes, they do. They get confused about those two different things, but. I really appreciate your opinion and your what you're doing on the radio.

I think it's great. And thanks so much for taking my call. Thank you very much.

Okay. All right, there's a verse that says, We're not appointed to wrath, but salvation. A lot of people think that that wrath. Uh I forgot what verse that is. Um Where is that?

2 Thessalonians. No, it's 1 Thessalonians 5:9. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation. A lot of times people think the word wrath there means the tribulation period. It does not.

It is juxtaposed with salvation. He's not destined us for wrath, his wrath upon us, but salvation. That's what that is. That's 1 Thessalonians 5:9. Let's get to Carl from North Carolina.

Carl, welcome here on the air. Hey, how you doing Flick? I'm doing alright hanging in there. I hear you fine, man. I hear you fine.

I just wanted to make a couple of comments about your what you was talking about earlier about women pastoring. Yes. I do agree with you on the fact that women shouldn't be pastors of churches. I agree 100% with you there. Good.

and the testimony that you gave about Yep. Particular church asks you to come and debate with them about this subject. No church has. They've changed their mind. Oh, that.

Yeah, that's right. On the eldership issue. Yes. Okay. Sorry, go ahead.

Yes, they did change your mind. Exactly.

Alright. They changed the mind.

So, and then to me, I felt like you were wrong. Hmm. Forcing your way in. Once they said, no, we don't want to do it, I felt like you should have stopped. And said, Okay, I'm gonna shake the dust off my feet.

And move on. But seems to me you cause more of a Uproar. versus trying to help them see the truth. on their own terms.

So I felt like you were wrong for that, just trying to force your way in. And I feel like there's grounds for repentance. Because They're like the Bible faith. The blind lead in the blind, let them fall in the ditch. And you don't want to cast your pearls before swine.

So, if they don't want to accept your views about women pastoring. You should have just left it emo le left them alone. Ten And the Lord would take it from there.

Well, that's Okay. That's an option. Go ahead, I'm far. That's all right. It says in Matthew 18: go and show him his fault in private, just between the two of you.

So the first thing you do is you contact the individual and you say, What about this? And if he's unrepentant, you take one or two or more with you.

Now, when I went to that church by myself, they said they would not talk to me, so there's no point in bringing anybody else there. And so, this is what the Bible says in Matthew 18. And then it says, do we go tell the church?

So I went to hold a church. Did what the Bible says.

Okay. Whose church did you tell? Did you tell you're not a member of that church? I don't believe in church membership. I don't believe in church membership.

It's not in the Bible. No, people can have, hold on, they can have church membership, but it's not a biblical requirement. And so I don't have to be a member of that church to call that church out to a repentance, particularly when the elders of that church broke their word. And they, you know, the Bible says, let your yes be yes, your no be no, give an answer. I asked them according to scripture.

They refused to do it as elders who represent the word of God. At that point, I went to the body of Christ, and then they called the cops on me, which they shouldn't have done. They blew it in several areas.

Okay. And more money. Yeah. I've done I've done a similar thing. I've done a similar thing in the past.

And I felt like I was in self after thinking about it and having conviction about it because I made a mess. A thing. Yeah, it happens. And I talked to one of my elders at the time, and he said, The Lord didn't lead you in that direction. He doesn't know.

And so I had to repent for that. Because I was like, man. They're gonna hear what I gotta say. They're gonna believe. I didn't say they're gonna believe, they're gonna hear what I have to say.

And so I just kind of kept pushing and kicking the door down. And I felt like But later on, after I talked to one of my elders, he said, That's not how you That's not how you win people to Christ. That's not how you get people to hear you. Yeah, we'll hear that. But I don't know the circumstance that you're talking about and what he's talking about either.

All I know is that I tried to follow biblical warrant. and contacting them, they made a commitment, they then broke their word. And when I I pressed on the side. They can change the mind. People can change the mind.

But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. If they said that they would talk to me, hold on, Carl, Carl.

Okay. If they said that they would talk to me about this issue because it's a biblically important issue, and they said yes, they would, and then they back out, they have to provide a reason, a good reason. They gave me no good reason. None. I then said, 1 Peter 3:15 tells you to give an answer to everyone who would ask you.

I'm asking you guys to give me an answer. Why do you do this? And they said they wouldn't do it.

So they were violating two aspects of scripture. Yes, but yes, they said they made a commitment, they're obligated to keep it. They didn't submit to the scripture requiring giving an answer. And I'm not just anybody, unless I'm somebody, but I'm just somebody who asked and was very serious. I think what happened when they found out who I was and they didn't want to deal with me, I think, I suspect, I don't know.

But then to call the cops on me when I pass out literature to the church, oh, come on. That's just it's just horrible. All right? And I think more men need to stand up like this and do this kind of thing. That's what I think.

Men need to start acting like Christian men, not afraid. Get up there and start doing stuff. That's right. Well yes, that's that's one du that's one way to look at it.

However, You you to me, I just feel like When you force your way into something, it's gonna turn out really, really fast. I didn't force it. A person has, hang on a second, please. A person have the right to change their mind. I've Had appointments to speak with people, and they changed their mind.

So I said, Okay, I'll just leave it alone. Whenever you're ready, you come talk to me. You call me, or whatever the case might be. I grant that. And And so If they never come back to the table, Hey, Diff.

That's God's business, not my business, to try to get them to the table, force them to the table. Excuse me. If that's your conviction, okay. Mine's a bit different. I believe in the And the authority and finality of Scripture, and I believe that pastors and elders need to be held to a higher standard.

And that if they commit that their word to do something, they need to follow through. Unless there's a really good reason not to. You know, I get it. You know, there was a car accident. I was in the hospital.

I couldn't meet you. I get it. But there was no extenuating circumstances. There was no reason given, just a cancellation and a negation. Cancellation of the appointment and what they committed, a negation of what Scripture said to give an answer.

And I was trying to be polite. I really was, not to be intimidating. And then they refused. Then I was. And then I'm going to just go to the body of Christ because that's what the Bible says in Matthew 18.

And then they said, dude, you're threatening us. And then they call the cops. Come on.

So, this is a problem, but just because something gets messy doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. Because the nature of truth confronting error is such that people are going to get upset. And if Even Christians get upset. They need to repent of this. This is sinful.

They need to stop. This needs to stop across America and all over the world. Women, pastors, and elders are not biblical. And I will, like I said, I'll debate it. I'll debate it formally, publicly.

But no one's ever you know, we gotta go 'cause the music's gonna start here in a few seconds.

Okay, brother? All right. Take care.

Okay, Carl. God bless, brother. Appreciate it. See, I like that. He called me up and he confronted me thinking when I was wrong.

And that's fine. I love that kind of stuff.

So good for Carl. May the Lord bless you by His grace. Be back on there tomorrow and hope you have a great evening, everyone. God bless by. Another program powered by the Truth Network.