Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call as usual, all you have to do is dial 877-2072276. And today's date is June 19th, 2026.

For the podcasters, etc., if you want to give me a call, I'm waiting for you. You can also send me an email to info at carm.org. Info at carm.org. All you got to do is put a subject line, radio comment, or radio question them and get to them. Fridays are often slow, and this isn't any different.

If we don't have any callers waiting, something that we have them right away. But what I can do is get to some of the questions and some of the issues. Normally, sometimes I'll call, I mean, I'll get on the air, I'll talk about something that happened recently. Nothing's happened recently. Because I'm taking a little bit of time for myself.

I'm building a terrarium and it's a special build. I've never done it before. Just something I'm doing because I'm bored, and I think that's something that'll be. uh fun and so doing a bit of that uh And Not been writing articles, but I have been thinking about doing something, and I'll let you guys know more about that next week. Not a big deal.

But you know um The carm traffic. has decreased by fifty percent since January. And The Carm site. And I think it's normal because everybody's just using AI now. Nobody's really going to websites and reading much anymore.

That's just how it goes. And the car may still get traffic, but um We're down quite a bit. In fact, the most we were ever having was 97,000 page views every day. And uh It was quite a bit. We're down to a significantly lot less than that.

Uh as as other websites came in and uh people are going more to video because the young'un the young'uns They don't seem to really do any reading. They want videos.

So, what we're going to be doing is moving into video work as well, increasing that. And I enjoy doing that too. All of this just to serve the Lord Jesus Christ. And if you have any questions, you have any comments, you can give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Steve from Utah.

Steve, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. All right, man.

So what do you got, buddy? What's up?

So I got a question about okay, we We say the age of the earth is not what science says it is, and I I tend to really start going into that, believe in it a lot more. Believing what? Believing what? That that the earth is younger.

Okay. More of a younger instead of my older youth.

Okay. Um. Anyway. If God has been around from eternity past, trillions and trillions and trillions of years. Eternity paths.

Okay. What's wrong? What would he have been doing Up until six to ten thousand years ago. He was fellowshipping in the Trinity. The Trinity is self-sufficient and is in need of nothing, the eternal nature of God, which we just cannot comprehend what that means.

There was an in internal uh self-sufficient independent, non contingent experience of God who had made eternal decrees in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and we would just say that there was the inter Trinitarian communion that was occurring.

Okay. Okay, that just seems like a long time for uh three crap. Three people to commune together.

So we wouldn't say people. We don't want to say people. We don't want to say entities either. The proper word is persons. That's the c correct theological word in relationship to the Trinity.

Now here's the thing, these are questions I've asked and pondered, but I don't believe there's any answers to them. Yeah. What is time? Is is it a thing, or is it simply an imposition of a concept upon reality? Time some say is a measurement of sequence of events at a certain rate.

Okay. Well, there's time space. To interpret, really. Yes. And so some say in physics that there's something called space-time.

That it's one thing. All right, well, this is in our physical realm that we can understand it, so to speak. But what is it in relationship to God, or is it in relationship to God? Is time a property of God's nature, or is it not? Is time what we experience reflective of God's nature, or is it a created thing as we relate here?

There's a lot of questions we just don't have answers to. When people came to believe that. Uh God's outside of uh time space, correct?

Well, what I was gonna just say is that when people say to me God's outside of time, I respond and say, well what does that mean? Because we don't know what that means.

So if we s I recommend that people not use phrases that they have no idea what they mean. You know, so for example, God's outside of time. What does that mean?

Well, I don't know.

Well then, but why would we use that?

So, what I say is that God relates to time from our perspective, He relates to time differently than we do. And if people were to ask me any more than that, I can't answer it. I don't know.

So, Yeah, I I understand it's a difficult thing to to contemplate.

So uh And it has been for me as well. Yes, sir. But I I I'm starting to tend to believe Certain things like it is younger than science says it is. Yeah. Sample goes to things like The fossil record layers, and then you have vertical trees growing up through those layers.

Yep, polystrait fossils. Yep. Yeah, and here's another thing is that they need long uh periods of time for evolution to work.

So presuppose that evolution works. because the earth is old, but earth has to be old in order for evolution to work. And there are problems with the theory of evolution. There really are. And there's a growing list of scientists who are abandoning the evolutionary model, saying, No, it just doesn't work, the more information and knowledge we have.

And then there's counter evidence too.

So let me ask you this. Yeah, I just lost my train of thought. Um Well Manner. I know that one. Yeah, so So here's the thing is that Everybody has assumptions and presuppositions.

Science is it presupposes naturalism. Which means that the scientific method presupposes. the universality of the laws of logic was called the uniformity of nature. And it does not work and cannot work to test what might be outside of our regular space-time.

So spirits, God, you know, things like this. It cannot deal with these, nor can it establish the conditions by which logic exists.

So or universal? Um God created uh man Adam Fifth. Dust out of the dust. Third, out of non-life.

Well, no, no, wait, wait, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He didn't create them out of non-life. He breathed the breath of life into him from his own life.

Okay. Yeah. Okay, so just creating man out of the dust. physical. Kind of falling into an evolutionary thought, right?

No.

Well, let me back up. It's yes and no. First of all, just to be clear, God built the body out of dust, but breathed into him the breath of life. and he became a living soul.

So, it was not that we were made out of dirt and became living out of dirt. That's not the case.

Okay, okay, I I got you.

Okay. All right, Matt. Yeah, I think you've given me some stuff to think about. I appreciate your help.

Well, you're welcome.

So, you have a nice day, and God bless you. Have a nice weekend and Father's Day. Yeah, if only my kids would call me and say Happy Father's Day, but they don't. Yeah, I have that same problem with a few of mine.

So most of them like me, but some don't. Yeah, my three daughters, one of them will probably say Happy Father's Day, but the other two won't. And so, you know, I'm alone now. My wife's gone, and the kids are out.

So. What do I do? That's irritate people. That's what I'm good at, my wife.

Well, Donald, you're you're doing what you should be doing right now, so I appreciate it. Oh, my gosh, I listen to you every day.

Sometimes I don't have to call in.

Sometimes I catch you a little late. And I think about some things, but that's okay. Anyway, I appreciate all your help, Matt. Thank you.

Okay, you're welcome. All right, well, God bless. And you know what I just had a thought? You know, I have some friends down there in the Salt Lake City area, down there because I'm five hours north. in Idaho.

I'm actually thinking about going down and visiting uh uh the McKevers and the Johnsons and just hanging out there for a weekend. I like to drive down there, it's a nice drive. But I was just wondering if I were to go down there one day, one weekend, like Friday night or Saturday night, would any of you guys out there who are listening to me in the Salt Lake area would like to meet at a restaurant and just say hi or whatever? If you'd like that, let me know and just email me at info at carm.org. I've been thinking about going down in a week or two or three or four or five, whatever works for any of them.

And I just stay at their house. I just say, hey, I'm coming down. I need a place to stay. They go, okay. And so uh it'd be fun if uh if people who are listening wanted to uh meet at a restaurant or something like that.

And uh Just say hi, you know, eat a meal, whatever. I think it'd be fun. Anyway, if that's an idea and you'd like that, just email me at info at carm.org. And if not, no big deal. All right, all right, let's get to.

Let's get to Tom from Florida. Tom, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thanks Matt. Thanks for your show.

We appreciate it a lot. I had a question just to understand your learner perspective on the Millennial Kingdom. And do you personally fall into one of the common categories of post pre off et cetera. I know you served in the PCA, and I'm aware of that on millennial view. And I'm interested in just your perspective Please on the Millennial Kingdom.

Thanks. Yeah. Um I am I'm what's called amillennial and I don't believe in a literal one thousand future reign. I one thousand year future reign. I believe we're in that reign now and I can back it up with scripture.

and I can show problems with uh with the pre-mail view. Um And that's my position. And I hold an unusual position a bit in that. I believe in the tribulation period, but I believe that when Christ comes back at the end of the tribulation period, the first ones taken are the wicked and not the good. And that's that's what I believe.

And could if you have time, could you give some Um refutations to the uh pre-millennial point of view, the pre-trip millennial point of view. Thanks. I'll do pre-mill first. Uh this is to me very easy to do. And uh So I go to 1 Thessalonians 4, and I'm going to start reading here in a little bit.

We've got a break coming up too, so maybe you have to take a break in the middle of it. But let's just review the premillennial position to see if it fits scripture. The premillennial view is that seven-year tribulation precedes it, rapture happens before that millennial view. The return of Christ. And then there's a literal 1,000-year reign.

And then at the end of the thousand-year reign, the new heavens and new earth are going to be made. But the rapture occurs before. the uh thousand years. And that's the premillennial view. Is is that correct?

You remember that? Right? Oh.

Well, hold on, I'm going to get a break. Yes. Okay. And he is correct. That is the view.

So, when we get back, I'm going to review that and show you why it can't work. I'm going to show you flat out from the scripture why it can't work. Be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. There we go. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8-772-072276.

Let's get back on with Tom from Florida. All right, Tommy, you still there? I am, thank you. All right.

So, what I'm going to do is read from 1 Thessalonians 4. Yeah. And starting at verse 16.

Now it goes on to chapter five. But that is not, chapter five is not a break in the Greek, it's just what it is.

So it's just we put it there in English.

Now this is what it says. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. No, that's the rapture.

Okay, no problem. It says, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. Yeah. So the day of the Lord. will come like a thief at night and that's the rapture. Is that correct?

You there?

Okay, now remember in premillennialism the new heavens and new earth are made a thousand years later. But if you go to Second Peter 3.10 it says, But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Right, right. She seems to be the same day.

Ah. This may be inferred, but Upon the Rapture. of the believers that are taken up in the air. Do you think that is required because then the earth will be destroyed and then we all come back to the new earth for eternity? That's a logical guess.

And it's one of the things I wonder if that is the case. I couldn't tell you yes or no, but it would make sense. Yeah, it would make sense. I know there's an interpretation that when we meet the word in the air, We will be with him forever, which the text says, but that does not explicitly say in heaven. The heavens forever.

And some Yes, but it does say he descends from heaven. With a shout. And then we go to be with them and into the air because when it says meet the Lord in the air, we're caught up in the clouds. In Acts 1, 9 through 11, Jesus ascended into heaven with us with the issue of the clouds. And so the logic would infer that we'll go up to meet him.

So the issue here is, in 1 Thessalonians 4, the context says, The day of the Lord hath come like a thief in the night. Second Peter 3.10 It says, A day of the Lord comes like a thief, but it doesn't say in the night.

So this the question is, well, why is the difference? Maybe. Uh because one side of the earth will be dark, one side of the earth will not be dark. Who knows? Maybe uh it's just uh phraseology, that's okay.

But I don't know of any phraseology where it says a day of the Lord come like a thief. except in these two places.

So the inferences are they're the same. And if the premillennial view is correct. If the premillennial view is correct, then they have a problem because the day of the Lord comes like a thief. In the night is the rapture, but it's also that they look at thief, it's a new heaven to new earth. they would have to say that they're two days with the door to come like a thief.

And that that just doesn't make any sense. Right. Two second thumbings is one of the weaknesses, I think. Yes. Now let me ask a little bit more.

Are you familiar with the phraseology, two men are in the field, one is taken, one is left? Right? Yes, Jesus is saying that, right, yeah. And people say that's the pre-tribulation rapture. And It absolutely, unequivocally is not.

It's uh it doesn't say that. It says in Luke 17 and Matthew 24. It says that in the day of the Lord will come like a thief of the night. The day of the Lord, the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah, excuse me. For as in those days before the flood, they were eating, they were drinking, they were giving in marriage till the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and Luke 17 says the flood came and destroyed them all.

So the ones who are destroyed are the ones giving in marriage. Eating and drinking. Because it says, that's what he said, they were destroyed. Matthew 24 says the flood came and took them all away. Two men will be in the field, one is taken.

The one who's taken is the wicked. And in Luke 17, they ask Jesus, they ask him where they take it, and he answers the question. He says that where the body is the vultures gather. Right, right. What's even more interesting is I haven't even gotten into the two-age model.

Which is the model that Jesus talked about and Paul the Apostle talked about, and premillennialists. Never talk about. I've not heard a single one ever bring it up. That doesn't mean they haven't. But I have not heard it.

Right. And so just before. If we could before we hang out, could you comment on Jesus' closing statement in one of his narratives where he says, I tell you, this generation will not pass until you see these things, because some would interpret that as the siege of Jerusalem that would happen forty years later. But please comment on that. Yeah, that's called um Full praetorism and/or partial praetorism.

Full praetorism would say that the generation he spoke about is necessarily that one right there, and that Jesus returned, and that Jesus returned in the armies of Rome to destroy Jerusalem. But that contradicts what the angels prophesied as the return of Christ in Acts 1:9 to 11. It says, Because he ascended into heaven and the clouds took him out of his sight, and the angels said, This is how he's going to return. And so it's not in the angel, not in the in the in the battle of of over Jerusalem.

So the partial praetorists, I'm a partial praetorist, they would say, well, it was fulfilled then, but it's going to be fulfilled again. It's partial in the first sense. Not everything was done. but there was a typological representation of destruction that's going to happen then and towards the end. And that they are representative.

And so in that sense, this generation will be the generation also beginning when it started and at the end when it's going to be completed.

So it's a double kind of phrase. And Paul the Apostle uses this kind of language. in um Romans five, roughly seventeen through twenty-one. Where he uses the same couplet words, the many and all, to mean different things. Even in it's really interesting.

But so, this is the same kind of philosophy that we look at. Uh we would look at this and say, Oh, this is the kind of thing that seems to be going on. All right.

Yes, thank you. As usual, thanks. I won't take up any more time if you've got other callers. And again, I appreciate your ministry. Keep it up.

All right, man.

Well, God bless. God bless. Me too.

Okay, bye bye.

Okay, bye.

Alright, so um You know, I know this is a bit controversial. I know a lot of people. I just wonder how many people are sitting there thinking, you know, I listen to man on the radio. And He makes me think. And here it is again.

You know, and they may not like it. I say things to people that, that, um, A lot of people just don't know about her in scripture. Let me finish up with this one, Matthew 13:30, which says that. I'll both go together till the harvest. In the time of the harvest, I'll say to the reapers: First, gather up the tares and bind them in bundles, gather the wheat into the barn.

At the return of Christ. The first was gathered are the wicked. according to what Jesus says. And Matthew 13, 30 through 40. Check it out.

We'll be right back with Tom from Ohio. We have three open lines: 877-207. 2276, we're right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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Tom from Ohio. Hey Tom, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, uh this Tom. Um What was it when you were talking to Tom from Florida?

Was it Matthew that verse that you were telling me about the wheat and the tares? That's in Matthew Matthew 13. Matthew thirteen.

Well, again, I missed you.

Okay, Matthew 13. And it says it's you start in verse 24. And it's the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sows good seed in his field, and then the enemy sold. Tears. And they said in verse 30, allow both to go together until the time of the harvest.

First, gather the tares. And then Jesus interprets the parable. 10 versus less. Fantastic.

Well, um you're uh I was sitting here listening. What is your take on this? If he takes all the bad and remove them, right? then why do we go through a tribulation at that point? No, the bad are removed after the tribulation.

Oh, it is.

Okay, Mike. Thank you for correcting me. Very good. And. Just a little comment from yes two days ago, you were talking to Chris.

He's Catholic. It was about the AI My opinion about that. Is it possible I believe that it can be corrupted. in the future because it's who who c who uh guidelines who sets the guidelines in AI? That's the question.

That's the problem. That's the reason. And I don't feel it to be safe. I mean, I like the idea. I like AI.

I go to it many times for stuff. But I don't always take it as a g what do they saw what's the saying? Grain of salt, whatever. Yeah, and I use it for documentation research.

So, for example, I'll say, find me all the church fathers between the year this and that who taught on the topic of blah, blah, blah. Please provide URLs. And then they'll give me stuff. And I go in and I research and I find about 80% of it's accurate. And a lot of times the URLs aren't correct or the quote has just been invented.

Yeah. And so, you know, I always check everybody. You know, and I can ask it, you know, go through the Bible and find the verses related to three days. And it'll find those, but I don't trust that I have to go through and verify everything. And they always do that.

So, you know, it's a good choice. There you go. That that what makes you good? Yeah. Sharpening your steel.

Hey, uh, all right, my other question. It was um Pretending Ezekiel In uh three sixteen where He is called a watchman.

Okay. And then he says I'll go through this whole chapter as quick as I can. It's just where He goes, he spreads the word to people.

Now, if you don't, and he says, if you don't do this, your blood will be What do you call uh Uh well he calls it something uh I will require it at your hand.

Okay, yes. In verse 18, required at your hand. That's correct. But does it does it put us in the spot? as are we a watchman?

And are we also in the same boat? That was specifically to Ezekiel, and so you got to be careful. Because he says, That's what I was thinking, but I wanted to make sure, and you never know. Physics. Um All right.

I know you've probably got a lot others. No, we don't.

So I'm just going to. Hold on, hold on.

So the idea here is that it was a reference to Ezekiel specifically.

Now, the question that we can ask: are we watchmen or are there other areas of watchmen? And the answer to that is yes, there are, and if you want to go into that a little bit.

Okay. I can perceive that as what we are. We've, because you can see it in the New Testament. Um Oh gracious In order to spread the word to the world.

So a watchman is someone Judge for not missing one. You know what I mean? Because there's sometimes I see people I don't like to sit and you know, I'm not in the mood or I don't have the time. You know, you understand what I mean? You've been there.

And uh Yeah. I just thought maybe I might be in trouble for not having it ready. No.

Okay, good.

Okay. Well, good. Thanks. Oh, I got one more question now. Do you want to take a look at this?

Go ahead. Um it was I've been looking through it and I'm I'm not curlying you. Got it all together, but I'm looking at. How the angels who know God, who sees God, Been with God, right? You know, I mean, they're still alive to this day, from my understanding.

and they have been with God, when we as uh humans We more have God in faith more than actually And see, and you know, to see them, to see do you think maybe it's that You know, and that's one thing that the angels don't uh they they are I don't know, I don't think they're jealous, but they are curious 'Cause of they are taking they're taking in The faith. you know, taking God in faith. Of course, we're taking God in faith. I'm sorry. Yeah, well, what I'm saying is.

Do you uh let's see, um Do you well been Do you think that's Maybe the reason why God created man. come, you know Do you think that could be the reason why he created man to begin with? He created man for his own glory. Isaiah 43. Isaiah 43:7.

Let me see if I can find that. Make sure that's the right verse. I've got a lot in my head. Um It's on it's on my notes. It's Everyone is called by my name and whom I have created for my glory.

Yeah. even uh whom I have made.

So uh we're created for his glory.

Okay. Is that you think maybe that the Jews, maybe they were he picked That Those people, because of maybe because they were in. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, finish your question. You answered the question, then you stopped, and then you went to another thing.

So I'm listening to the same thing. It is still a similar same thing: is that, see, that the Jews, they were picked by God. You know what I'm saying? And is it possible that all those 400 years that they were there? He knew how they were going to fall.

Yeah. You're understanding that he's not.

So, what's your question?

Well, I'm just I'm just trying to figure out is it I see choosing them To bring him back, bring them back in the fold later on, but he's using them. to have to strengthen us Uh uh who's the them? Uh Um the uh the the followers of Christ. The the Jews don't follow Christ at this point. Yeah, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but uh the time the Gentiles will end and then God's going to bless all of Israel and then they'll be used of God.

So, that's what I wanted to correct. Yeah, partial hardware. A partial hardening has occurred to Israel so that the time of the Gentiles can occur.

So God is saving more than just the Jews.

Okay. All right, very good.

Well, thank you for Being patient, I was just trying as I say, I've been working on this one part and it's fairly new, so I was trying to put it all together. I was hoping to get some information from you. All right, thanks for your help. Sure, no problem. God bless.

Have a good weekend. You too. Thanks. All right.

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Here's Matt Slick. All Revan, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines: 877-207-2276. Let's get to Brent from North Carolina. Brent, you're on the ear.

Hey Mac, how you doing? Doing all right, hanging in there. What do you got, buddy? Right, let me ask you a question about the televangelist these people. A lot of people have questions about the tithes and offerings.

How people have taken a thousand offerings and buying jet planes and big houses and all these cars and stuff. What was I know it goes back to the Levitical tithing goes back to the Levitical uh and back in the days. But uh these televisions have taken it totally out of context. They've Taking the people's powers and offers and built up their own wealth or their own empire. Do you kind of sub uh the loads uh What what what you're doing?

Yeah. So, uh Having tithes and offerings is fine in order to get a ministry to run. If it's being used for their furthering of their lifestyle, then it's a misappropriation. if it is for the furthering of the ministry and they receive a salary out of it directed by a board of directors, then that's fine because the workman's worthy of his higher.

So it just depends on what's happening with it.

Okay? Oh, yes, but in in most cases they they're misappropriating those funds in most cases. Yes, they are. They're not using it. What he really wanted people to use it for is to help the poor, to help the widows and help people that are in need.

In other words, that's what the that's what that's what it's for. A lot of times that's what happens, and they will be judged by God for that. They should not do that. Absolutely. It's wrong for them, you know.

Okay. Okay, thank you for your time. You have a mercy. Sure, no problem. God bless.

You know, there's nothing wrong, folks, with uh um uh for ministry to pay the bills, to raise a family, to pay for a car. A lot of times, people don't realize that ministers work usually more than 40 hours a week. They are on call. They have to go to ER at three o'clock in the morning. and do all kinds of things, you know, marriage counseling and not Um And not give out information and do sermons and preaching and coordinating.

It's quite a job. I was a pastor for a while, there's a lot there. And the workman's worthy of his wage, and that's fine.

So there's no problem at all with uh the ministry living off of people's uh free will offerings or gifts to support them. They share in the blessing that comes when they support a ministry. And that ministry, if it's doing God's will, the supporter shares in that. are helping to make it possible. And if the ministry is bad, then you're just wasting your money, you're wasting your support.

And you shouldn't do that. You should always make sure that the ones you want to support are good. And that's what I would always say. Make sure they're good.

So there you go. All right, we're going to call coming in, and waiting for that to kind of manifest. And um And that's about that. We've got something waiting for the commitment.

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He's a great guy, he loves the Lord. And if you would be so kind as to like you should email them. Uh you should email them at the Truth Network. is uh truth that but dark.org I believe it is. And Email them and say, Hey, I really appreciate this show or that show, whatever it is.

They like that. I've been to the headquarters, I've been through the halls and the various rooms, and there are good people there. Except for Keith. Yeah. Keith's a good guy.

I don't know if Keith's heard me say that. But I got to meet Keith, the producer. And what we always do before the show is I just get on there, I just do a mic check, you know, sound check, you know, and he goes, Yep, it's working good. And 99% of the time it's working fine, sometimes it doesn't. We got to figure something out.

But nevertheless, So, Keith's great, Stu's great, the staff there is great, and they could use your prayer support and. Um Radio's not a very lucrative business, particularly in the Christian context. There's something to think about. I've talked to Stu, I'm not going to say anything, but I've talked to Stu about expansion, about costs and things like this for varying radio shows, networks, stations, and stuff like this. And it's really an uphill battle.

Let me just tell you, it's an uphill battle. On my end, I wish that we had more money to be on more networks, more stations, but we don't. We pay to be on the air. And it does take that support. And Stu's giving us a great deal, by the way.

Yes. He could get a lot more money for this time slot. And He's allowed me for some strange reason to stay on the air. Um because I say things that are just Well, tough for some people. But that's the thing.

I'm going to say it like it is. I'm going to say what I believe is true.

Now, I could be wrong in some things. I certainly am open to being corrected. All you've got to do is go through the Word of God and show it to me. That's fine. And it's not a challenge like I know everything, it won't ever happen.

Of course, I change my views. less and less as I get older. But I am changing a view. Pretty much have changed it kind of half and half on out of John 3 what the water is. Is it water of the womb or the water of the word?

This is a theological issue I'm going through and discussing and learning. But you know what? Seriously, email them. And let them know that you appreciate their ministry and their work. They do.

Pay attention to it. They do. All right.

Having said that, if I give me a call, we have three open lines, 8772072276. Karen from North Carolina. Welcome, you are on the air. Hi, Matt. I just first and foremost say thank you for what you do.

Um and and um I also might I'm going to get to the point. I grew up in Catholicism. And I'm no longer doing that. I have learned through a Bible-based church a lot, a lot of stuff. Anyway, um Balance.

My question is, but I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for that because my parents took us to church. Granted, we went once and tw you know, twice a year and all that. But but um I'm thankful for that, and I want to make that very clear because That was part of my journey to get to where I am now. But my question is: I have brothers, I have siblings that have passed.

And you don't learn a whole lot in Catholicism. I didn't know what amen meant, and my siblings didn't know until they were in their 50s. And I learned it in my forties, my oldest siblings never knew, we all said it. Anyway, a lot of things we didn't know, and my question is. Um, those that have passed, and even my parents, they may not have known it either.

That I know that God wants you to have that personal relationship with Him first and foremost, right? And I know that now by just having a conversation. Not to mention prayer, just talk, talk to them, right? You build, I find that I'm getting stronger in relationship with them, just and I teach my daughter that. Just talk about whatever's on your mind.

But I know that my brothers didn't know that. And they're gone, and I want to make sure that I know God knows the desire, and they add their heart on their sleeve. But if they didn't know these things How does that work? Are they going to be fitting? Or Well, let me just say this, and uh with compassion, My wife's brothers have passed away, half of them have.

And they didn't know the Lord. I've had to do funerals of unbelievers. My own children, uh two of them at the least, uh have denied Christ. And so it's a hard thing. I get this.

But what I tell people is if anyone believes official Roman Catholic theology when they die, they cannot be Christian. They cannot go to heaven. They'll go to hell. Because the official Catholic doctrine is Antichrist. It's false gospel.

False priesthood. and a false Mary. And it it is bail.

Now, we don't know what happens to people on their deathbeds or weeks before, days before, because God certainly knows people are coming. To that place. And he has a way of communicating to people.

So all we can do is hope. That in God's great mercy, He worked something out beforehand. It's not up for us to decide. But we can say, doctrinally speaking, if on their very deathbed they said, no, I'm trusting Mary. Uh You know, I would say, well, I'm not here.

You're lost, you know. Declare no. No.

Okay. My my um just real quick. Um, I just don't think they it's not they believed in Christ. But I they just didn't know. what you would learn in a Bible-based church.

I know they didn't deny them. But they just didn't know what you would learn. from a non-denominational Bible. Correct for email, yeah.

So I like what you just said. You just gave me peace. what you you hit the nail right on the head when you said that that And I don't know this is Now it's obvious to me. Yeah, in the very last second, God has a way of moving. You're right.

Obviously, you're right. But I never thought of it like that. And you just. It wow, that just gave me the whole sense of peace.

Okay. And we just all we can do is hope on it. There you go. Yeah, that's right. And all we can do is hope and trust.

Right. Just trust that the Lord will do, you know, and that's it. We just trust Him. Right. And and g knowing that God knows the desires of your heart.

you know.

So if it's in the right Ouch. you know, box. Yes, and that's a whole other topic, but but yeah. And so we can only hope that uh It's what we do, you know. It's like my my wife's father.

He uh We don't I don't expect to see him in heaven. But I could be wrong. Right. 'Cause I I knew him for many years and he would not receive Christ, would not trust in Christ.

So what happened uh on that day of his death? I don't know.

Right. Right. There you go. There's my answer. I needed to hear that.

Thank you for what you do. You make a difference in so many people's lives. And I pray for you and your family as well. Continued, continued prayers. Thank you.

You certainly need it. Absolutely, certainly need it. We all do, don't we? Yes. Yes.

Well, you have a terrific night. All right.

Thank you so much. Have a great night. You too, thanks. God bless. God bless.

Bye-bye. Thank you.

All right, well that was nice, and I know what I said is tough, But that's what truth is. Truth doesn't care about your feelings.

So truth is what it is. If uh you believe in official Mormon theology when you die? without repenting of it, you're going to hell. The same with Roman Catholicism. If you believe in official Roman Catholic theology when you die, And you don't repent of it, you're going to hell.

Same with Eastern Orthodoxy. You believe in official Eastern Orthodox theology when you die and you don't repent of it? You're going to go to hell. These are strong words, but that's the nature of truth. Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.

Nobody comes to the Father but by me. He didn't care about your feelings per se. He told the truth, because truth comes from God. John seventeen seventeen. You need to understand the truth is what we need to believe.

And not Relegate. Salvation to a feeling we hope. but the truth of God's Word in the person of Christ. That's why everybody needs the gospel. May the Lord bless you.

There's the music. I'm out of here. And by God's grace, back on you tomorrow, tomorrow, Monday, excuse me. Hope to talk to you then.

So, God bless everybody. Have a great weekend. Another program powered by the Truth Network.