Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Uh All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, as usual, it's easy: 877-207-2276. And a lovely day. Today's date is April 6th, 2026. Hope you all had a good, um, well, you know, just a good day.

And a good uh Well, good church service on Sunday. I went to a church, some friends' church. We had communion and And uh a lot of good people there, a lot of good people and uh good fellowship. And I and I enjoyed talking to a Korean person outside afterwards. I get a kick out of that.

I heard her accent, and we got talking. And I just said, Where are you from? And they love the Lord. Anyway, so I enjoyed that kind of thing. All right, having said all of that, if you want to give me a call, it is easy.

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Now we were off this Friday because of for past Friday because of Good Friday.

Well, I'm going to be off again this coming Friday because I'm doing a wedding on Saturday. I I did some counseling some people and the premarital counseling and they asked me to do the wedding. And so I'll be doing that on Saturday, but we have to do the rehearsal on a Friday during the radio time. That's where it has to be at How Its. Which I won't be on Friday.

Not a big deal, just letting you guys know that.

So we'll be on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah, good stuff. All right. I think that is it. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

I want to hear from you. Give me a call. Let's get to Jermaine. From California Jermaine, buddy, welcome in. You're on the air.

Okay. Hey Matt, um Welcome back. I have an interesting one for you today.

Alright.

Okay, so Adam and Eve And the fall of man, a lot of people. It seems like they discount that story because they believe in in the caveman theory. Yeah?

Okay, I understand what you Yeah.

Okay, well one thing I was actually wondering, I was pondering.

So when God created Adam. He already had intelligence. And he was able to name things, and you know, however, God did what he does, but. I was wondering if the fall of man Where man fails Is it possible what people think Our cavemen, not from an evolutionary standpoint. Is it possible that what people think are cavemen are actually a part of the fall.

And let me explain myself. What I mean is maybe men were more advanced and then after the fall, they kind of regressed And civilization had to be kind of built back up. I don't know if I'm making sense, but I think you got this rip. How about after the flood, people dispersed all over the place? Where would they live?

They'd live in caves, for one thing. And then they could think, you know, maybe one theory is that the cave people were just simply those who were all over the earth. Because then one theory is called Pangea, that the continents were together. And at the flood, after the flood, they the people Well, they Produced more children, and that gradually, as they dissipated out into the geographical area, that Pangea then occurred and they broke up. That's one theory.

Uh But, you know, the issue of also of an even older time went back to the issue of the flood. I mean, not the flood, before the flood with Adam and Eve, it's logistically a doable theory that people were just. Trying to survive in different areas. But what we have, we have cave drawings all over the place, not just in Africa. And not just in the Middle East, but we have them all over.

So the latter term or idea seems to be a better option for accounting for that, if you see what I'm saying. Um The earlier one I meant.

Okay? Yeah, and and that makes perfect sense to me because if if I'm looking for shelter Then I'll be a caveman too, because it makes sense to go find a cave or something that's going to protect you from the elements. And I like what you said as far as your theory, but I'm just wondering: are people perhaps missing they're assuming that because we're at a stage of advancement that people were kind of stupid. And they evolved from caves and they were just savages roaming around. But I was wondering if it possible just Mankind Sell.

And we may have lost a few things, but people were a lot smarter than we want to give them credit for. That doesn't mean they were some kind of Neanderthal or something. They just were a victim of the fall. Yes, but uh another Problem is that a lot of people think that people right away were dumb. No, they weren't.

I mean, Adam named all the animals. They were able to do some incredible stuff, so they weren't dumb people, they were smart people. They just didn't have the technological advancements that we have and we judge called ethnocentricity. We judge their culture by our culture. We're advanced, we can fly planes, therefore they're primitive.

But that's just a cultural bias that we have. And if they say we're more advanced technologically, well, yes. But are we more advanced morally? Are we more advanced emotionally? Are we more advanced intellectually?

That's up for debate.

So there are different levels and different ways where we can understand that. Yeah, there's a lot that plays into this kind of discussion. And there had been a lot of theories about it as well, and what what the cave drawings are.

So It just happened.

Okay. Okay, yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. I just um. I think people are operating from a bias and they want to eliminate the creation Account all together, so it's easy to come up with these things, but the more you examine it, the more it makes no sense.

So I I think uh the theories you floated out make a lot more sense to me. Yeah, it's just it's possible. And I know I don't hang my hat on any particular one. I'll just say, well, it looks like this is one possibility. And I'm not trying to be ambivalent and non-committed.

It's just I just don't see a necessity that you have to lean towards one or the other, biblically speaking.

So that's why I go, well, here's the theory, here's the theory. And what I lean towards is after the flood, when they started having children, it wouldn't take very long, one or two hundred years, and they could have lots of kids, lots, and they could just dissipate around the area, and then Pangea could have occurred around that time. I'm not an expert in this theory, but that's one of the ideas. It's been prom uh promoted.

Okay, and I'm with you. These are just theories. I have no idea, but. Just uh discussing possibilities. But yeah, thank you, Matt.

I I appreciate it.

Okay, well you're welcome and God bless.

Alright.

Carbon.

Okay. All right, hey, we have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. The number is 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you.

You can give me a call if you want, and we can get this stuff.

So, I've been having good conversations with people online. I do that a lot. And I had a very polite conversation with the guy. Right before the radio show, we were in a chat room. Quite a contrast between the Mormon guy who's yelling and interrupting people constantly, claiming victory, and not letting anybody get their A word in edgewise.

And this guy, I think it was Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, either one of those. And we had a good conversation and he brought up John 3.5. In John 3:5 is where it says that Jesus says, unless you're born of the water and the Spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. And they were talking about, or he was talking about the issue of baptism being a necessity, water baptism. And so I just asked him questions, you know, as I do, because I think the text is worth examining with questions to begin with before you answer some things, like, what's the water in reference to?

He said, it's baptism. I said, well, how do you know it's baptism? And it's not me trying to play a game. It's just how do you know it's baptism? And he went to other places in Scripture where water is mentioned in the idea of baptism.

And I didn't respond. There's other places where it's not the washing of the water of the word. In Titus 3:5, Ezekiel 36 talks about this issue of the washing, and it's not necessarily water. And so, in any way, I didn't get into that, but we had this nice, polite, I really like that, a nice, polite conversation of agreement, disagreement, point, counterpoint, listening, responding. He actually responded to what I said instead of ignoring it, like a lot of people do.

I'll say, well, what about this? And we got into, but I think he messed up a little bit, just a little bit. I'm not talking about his back because he was very polite, and I would have a conversation with him again anytime. But I brought this phrase in the Greek, es ophisen homertion, which is for the forgiveness of sins, which is used in Acts 2.38, get baptized for the forgiveness of sins. And he was saying that baptism is necessary for forgiveness of sins.

And I said, well, the exact same phrase is found, I said, I think if I remember correctly, it was Mark 1.3 and Luke, or Mark 1.5 and Luke 3.3, in regard to John the Baptist's baptism. If John the Baptist's baptism has the exact same phrase, he baptized for the forgiveness of sins, then it would necessitate that the phrase for the forgiveness of sins means that that's how your sins are obtained, the forgiveness is obtained.

Well then, if that's the case, to be consistent with the phraseology, because you'd have to be at that point, then that would mean that John the Baptist's baptism got you forgiveness of sins, but it wasn't the Christian baptism. And what was he his baptism for? Repentance.

So, his water baptism for the forgiveness of sins got you forgiveness of sins without the Christian baptism. That would be a logical necessity out of that thinking. And I think it's a problem. I don't think he really addressed it that thoroughly, but we didn't have time. I said, Look, I have to go in five minutes for the radio show.

So he wasn't really getting into it very deeply, to be fair. And um And so but I did bring up this issue that if the baptism of John does give you forgiveness of sins, then were the people required then to get baptized again under the Christian baptism later for the forgiveness of sins if their sins are already forgiven. And if this answers yes for the forgiveness of their sins, then you're implying that the first baptism for the forgiveness of sins didn't get forgiveness of sins. And this is logistically problematic, and this is just part of the stuff we're talking about.

So, uh, let's get the kit from Arizona. Oh, hey, on the same topic, you were in that room, weren't you, kid? Yeah, I was, and I've got a different take on John 3:5, and I'd like to push a pass and see what happens. Is that okay with you? Sure, man.

Go for it. It seems to me that John is contrasting physical birth With spiritual birth, just like he does in John 1:10 to 13. He talks about being born from parents and then being born from your heavenly parent in John 1. It seems like this is a habit of his and it seems like that's the most Logical understanding of John 3:5, but he's contrasting physical birth being born of water with spiritual birth being born from above. What do you think?

So let me see if I can understand it.

So you're saying that the the water is a representation of a spiritual birth? Is that would I get that right or wrong? No, the no, that the that the water is actually physical birth like you talked about in discourse. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

And the reason it is is because he's contrasting Human birth with spiritual birth, which he does several places in his writings. Yeah, I'd like to see that more. That's interesting. But he did make a good point, a Greek point, a point about Greek, which I thought was a good point. He says it has to do with a unified construction that links water and the spirit.

under the preposition of X out of or from. And that is a legitimate observation that he made, as far as Greek goes. It suggests a single spiritual reality rather than two separate births. And so if you Go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead.

No, you go ahead. I want to hear what you have. 113, you'll see it says we're born. Not of A choice of human beings, not of ourselves, but of God.

So John is. Doing that same thing again. He's contrasting human birth with spiritual birth. He's saying, just like you didn't decide. to be born physically 'cause you weren't around but you didn't ask your parents.

Hey, hold on, buddy. We got a break, okay? Let's get back to that because we can talk about this. It'll be a good discussion. And I'll try and play his side a little bit, okay?

Because I want to represent his side accurately. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slake live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slake.

All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. All you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get back on here with Ket. All right, kid.

Be back on, buddy. Hey, I wasn't trying to argue against what that guy was saying. You know, all sorts of toes got stepped on in that Discord thing right before you came here.

So Well, yeah. That's the way I read it. Yeah. And you know, I've waffled back and forth between that view and another view, and that is that the water that's being spoken of is. Prophetic.

not of baptism But the spiritual work. And this is partly reflected, I believe, in Ezekiel 36. Because when you go to Ezekiel 36, Uh let's see, go there. And this is what I've been waffling with for a while. I gotta make a decision on this.

God says, I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all of your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart, put a new spirit within you. I will remove your heart of stone. I'll put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes.

And so it appears to be, because when he says, Jesus says to the Pharisee Nicodemus in verse 10, he says, Are you not a teacher of the law? You should know this.

So that means it has to reference back to the Old Testament, and it seems to be this area. Uh Ezekiel thirty-six. And I can get into it quite a bit, but it's not an easy one just to get to really quickly and go through.

Well, you know, when you're sprinkling in the Old Testament, it is to enter into the covenant. Um And uh they did they did ceremonial washings to be uh worthy to do Passover and things like that. And so To me, it fits completely with with uh the baptism in the New Testament. Yeah, I think there's something to it. Particularly when Jesus says, you know, that was born of the Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh, or flesh is flesh and spirit and spirit.

So he relates to the issue of the physical birth as well as the spiritual birth. The only problem that I would have with that position is the Greek construction implies a single event of both. But that same kind of construction also occurs, I believe, in. Titus 3.10, maybe over there. I could put my notes together here.

Yes, RC brought that up. But it basically just doesn't say in Greek that it's contrasting two things, which it usually doesn't when it's contrasting two things in the Bible. Yes, and um Uh it's three five, not three ten. This is the same kind of construction. He saved us not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

So, washing and regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit are also the same kind of a construction. From what I understand in the Greek, I could verify, I believe it is. Then, it's the renewing of the Holy Spirit is related to the washing of regeneration, which then I think is what was going on in Ezekiel 36 when God said, I'll sprinkle clean water on you. He's referencing the issue of the moment of the Spirit coming upon you. It's not literal water that cleanses you, it's the blood of Christ that does this.

What they want to do is equate baptism with salvation and necessitate that it's the same thing, that you have to be baptized and be saved. And as we're talking, he had to rephrase a little bit when I asked, Well, then, does that mean a baby who dies in the womb? Does that mean that they go to hell because they're not baptized? If it's necessary. And if Jesus has, I was saying to him in John 3:5, if the word water means baptism, and he says, unless the one's baptized and you know uh born again then you You can't go to the kingdom of heaven, then that would that logistical necessity would mean then that young ones like that wouldn't go to heaven.

So there's more to this. It's not an easy thing to just get through in one thing.

Well, I'm going to tell you something witty. I heard from one of my Bible teachers. Guy's name is Matt Slick. I heard it on Matt Slick Live. And he said.

You know, when the Bible says baptism for the remission of sins. I take Tylenol for a headache. I don't take Tylenol to get a headache. I take it 'cause I already have a headache. And he said, that's the same thing that's happening there in those for the remission of sins but guy's very smart yeah i got that from john uh from uh charlie spine friend of mine Get a critical work to do.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, he's listening, he's smiling because he says that. And it's a good point. We take aspirin for that, not to get it, but because of and in relationship to. And so that's what I think is there, particularly when you go to Acts 238.

Like I said, this gets complicated. There's more to this than just a simple phraseology people don't want to study. He says, Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And what he s he made this point.

Uh and again, I'm not trying to disrespect him. Because, you know, me neither. I thought he was very polite, and I thought he was, it was, it was a great conversation. But if we were to say that for the forgiveness of sins, and he was saying, as many people do, they say forgiveness of sins precedes receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. And I say, no, not always.

In Acts 10:44 through 48, that's reversed.

So if you receive the Spirit because you have the forgiveness of sins for your baptism, then that that cannot be understood that way in Act 2.38. because Acts ten forty four through forty eight contradicts that.

So it has to be something else going on.

So anyway. Yeah. I absolutely agree. And by the way, I would have attributed it to Charlie if I knew it had come from him. I did know it came from him originally.

I I like Charlie. I wouldn't rob him of of attribution. I'm just giving glory where it's due because he's looking at me. He's there, and he's pointing up at. He's in the rooms with us when we do.

We have, we do this show on the radio, of course, but it also goes out on the internet to video, like on YouTube, and we have. YouTube and Where we have X and we also have Rumble, it goes out to and Facebook live.

So we're in a program called EV Mucks, and he'll be, I can see them in the room and stuff like that. You guys can't see it, but I can see it, and I can make fun of it. Oh, that's what you meant by in the room. I'm glad you elaborate because I thought you meant he was in the same room where you are, like physically in Idaho. And I was thinking, what's Charlie Spine doing in Idaho?

Well, yeah, he's close to it. But yeah, and so it's EV Mucks. It's a program where you can. For people who don't know, Uh I have uh the camera on me right now and then the radio stuff is done too, and then it's going out to multiple um platforms. simulcast.

So it goes out over the airwaves over the radio, but also o over the internet uh in video. And so people can see what I look like, which is not that big a deal, trust me. I got a good face for radio.

So it works. You've got a good voice for radio, but yeah, the face you have for radio as well. Yeah, both of them are true. Two different contests. See, there's the contrast.

When I asked my beautiful wife before she passed away, I asked her, Am I good looking? She said, What's that behind you? and then she was gone, you know, so just a good way to avoid the question.

Well, she didn't want to lie to you, yeah. That's right, she said, What is that? I look and then look she's she's out of there. Smart woman. When people ask me, if somebody asks me a question like that, what are you supposed to do?

Since you're not allowed to lie, I say, I always change the subject. They don't even notice.

Well, I won my wife by my humor. And my abs apparently, that's what it was. And I'm a good dancer, so a white boy with rhythm.

So, uh, humor, dancing, and abs. Uh, what did it apparently?

Something like that. That's what she said.

Well, it was a long time ago, back when you had humor. Back when I had abs.

Now we just have ads. All right, brother.

Okay, we gotta get going. There's some music.

Okay. Well, that was Kit, and he's a good guy. I've known him for a while. And we'll get to Todd from North Carolina next. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2777.

207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, it is easy. All you have to do is dial 877-2-07-2276.

So let's get to Todd from North Carolina. Todd, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you, Matt, for taking my call. I want to qualify myself. I'm not drunk. I'm not high. I'm just and I'm not trying to mock you.

I'm just trying to ask a sincere question. With an earlier call, you were discussing with this man Uh Caveman which took my mind to a different direction on the spectrum. And I don't mean to put you on the spot. What is your opinion on the possibility of the existence of extraterrestrial beings? I was assuming that Sean Handed earlier.

He had some thoughts. I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, it's mathematically impossible that life forms any place in the universe by chance. It's mathematically not possible. Yes.

Maybe. mathematically impossible.

Well, I I only made it to beginning algebra and and College and high school, so that's a bit beyond it. But I appreciate your honesty, Matt. I like listening to you. You seem like a down-to-earth, very knowledgeable man.

Some of your calls, I don't know why you don't hang up with them. because they attack you. Yeah, I'm used to that. I get Texas. Oh, what a patient man of God.

Anyways, thank you so much. I hope you had a good Easter, sir. And take off.

Okay, thanks. All right. Well, I'm going to expand on this because we have nobody waiting right now. Mathematically, why would I say mathematically impossible?

Now, someone may say, well, even if it's 1 in 10 to the 20,000th power, it's still not necessarily mathematically impossible. There's a functional zero in mathematics of 10 to the 50th power and up. I've read different articles, 10 to the 100th and up.

Okay, let me slow down and explain something. In fact, I'm going to do this right now. And how many different ways. Let me show you something. Can.

Can you shuffle? a deck of cards, okay? And I've done this before. And there's a mathematical limit. to them because there's 32 cards.

And so what it would be is let's see. Roughly, come on, where is it? Where's the answer?

Now here's uh it would be fifty to fifty two factored. Which is about 8.0 times 10 to the 67th power.

So, what does all this mean? Let me give you an illustration of something. Let me just slow down and explain some stuff. If you take a piece of paper That's one five hundredth of an inch thick. That means five hundred pieces of paper.

stacked together is one inch.

So you take this one piece of paper, one five hundredth. And you tear it in half.

Now you have two, and you put them on top of each other.

Now you have two stacked. You tear that stack.

Now you have four. Clear that stack, now you have eight. You'd do it fifty times. How tall is the stack? This deal, I'll give you the answer, but this deals with Um Two to the fiftieth.

So what this means is 2 to the 50th is 2 times 2 times 2 times 2 times 2, 50 times. Two to the fiftieth. And the answer to the question: how tall would a stack of paper be? If You Uh it was one five hundredth of an inch thick, which is 0.002 and Decimals. and you were to double it five hundred times.

I mean, 50 times, just not 500, 50 times, excuse me. How tall is the stack? And the answer is 35,500,000 miles. And the reason is because you go 248 1632 64 128 256 512. 1,000, 2,000, 4,000, 8,000, 16,000, 32,000, 64,000, 128,000, 256,000, 500,000.

It gets very quickly, the numbers get to become huge.

Now why is this important? Mathematics is really interesting. It relates to actuality.

So, technically, I used to be a mechanical draftsman years ago, and I would use trigonometry and algebra. to make certain calculations. and build things, draw them up by hand. Before CAD, I draw them up by hand on a piece of paper and give them to people, and they would build these things, and it worked. Because every time I did it, it worked perfectly.

Because I was always very, very, very meticulous. And I remember once they had to shut the plant down to install something that I designed. And so the math had to be very, very accurate. And I went to the thousandth of an inch of tolerance and stuff like this.

Well, I did this all on paper, gave it to the mechanics. They built it and it worked. Mathematics works it relates to reality.

Okay. Why?

Well, that's another question. We'll get into that, but it's a good question. Why?

God's got to be there.

So, if something is mathematically impossible. then reject it.

So what are the odds, for example, of someone r winning the uh uh the lotto? a hundred times in a row. On the most difficult number set, the most difficult He has to get one and I think it's seven numbers. You do it a hundred times, okay? The odds are just forget it's not going to happen.

If someone says, hey, I know a guy who won the lotto a hundred times in a row, On the thing where it's six plus one, it's seven numbers you have to get. out of one in sixty numbers, So one in sixty times one is sixty times one in sixty times one is sixty times one in sixty times one is sixty. Times uh do that a hundred times.

So It becomes immense and is greater than the number of atoms in the universe. It's not going to happen. Like f du uh shuffling a deck of cards. If 32 cards. In order to do that, to get the repeat, mathematically speaking.

I can't even tell you the number. It's huge, but it's. Eight with roughly uh Put it this way. Just make it really simple. One with 67 zeros behind it.

67 zeros. That's what the odds are. Before you had how many times you got to shuffle it before the numbers, the order of cards goes back to the same thing. It's just insanely big. Why am I bringing this up?

Because mathematically speaking DNA, deoxyrabonucleic acid, is comprised of four nucleotide bond pairs: adenine, guinen, thymine, cytosine. And AT and GC go together.

So you have AT. and G C, but A T can also be T A. and G C can be C G.

So you have one in four possibilities. That means You have a called a nuclear bond pair. You have a bond pair. And What's the odds of any one of those four bond pairs occurring in a DNA molecule? It's one in four.

Point two five. What are the odds of any particular to any particular? sequence.

Well, it's 0.25 times 2. And uh or to the second power. What's it by four? By five.

So it's just mathematics is all it is.

So, you can look at this and you can say, well, what are the odds of anything coming to pass? Let me give you an illustration. Let's say you take. A thousand cards. playing cards, but they're not gonna have numbers on 'em, just black and white.

And We have a thousand of them. I go up and I uh Uh let's put it this way. I um Write one to a thousand on the cards. On all the white side. And I shuffle them all up, and then I take them out in the air and I throw them, and they go into a trough that lines them up one at a time.

What are the odds?

Well, that's a mathematical possibility. And the first time you do it, it's almost mathematically impossible. But the first time you do it, there it is, it occurs. The question then becomes do it a second time. That's where design comes in.

How can you get the second exact number to repeat? That's the problem.

So what we're talking about here is in DNA If you have, any sequence of nucleotide bond pairs that go down in any particular sequence like in the smallest virus like 220,000 of these.

so it's zero point two five to the two hundred twenty thousandth power. It's just insanely small. The number of electrons in the universe is like ten to the eightieth. And this would be like, I can't even find a machine or something that'll do the math on it. I don't know.

It's just insane.

Well If it The problem here is what are the odds of a A method of reading that information or that arrangement. Turning it into information that then transfers it to another area of a cell. Etc., to do all this stuff. The mathematics, long story short, becomes so immensely small. that it far surpasses what's called theoretical zero.

So If you were to change, or if every particle in the universe, which is 10 to the 80th, that's a big number, that's even a gracious number. were to change its state as the fastest rate possible, 10 to the 40th times per second, for 18 billion years. These are all grandiose numbers. How many events are there? ten to the hundred and thirty eighth.

The odds of molecules come together, of DNA molecules like this, and having a reader, and I'm just not going to get into too much detail past this. Is immensely past that, like 10 to 20,000th power for a certain enzyme. I heard a mathematician writer article on it once, remember the number. And it's just basically impossible. The point is, life doesn't form by chance out there in the universe.

I don't care how big the universe is, it doesn't do it.

Okay, doesn't do it. The universe is finite in size, not infinite in size. And that's a whole other problem if it works. There's all kinds of stuff, so what are those things out there?

Well, let's talk about it after we get back from the break. Will we write back after these messages, please? Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Yay. All right and welcome back to the show.

Now I know I did a bit of a head Yeah. Hit scratch, you're there a little bit. It's kind of hard to explain mathematics simply and lay out concepts at the same time. Um But uh I remember once when I would. This is an anecdote.

So I went to a trade school to learn how to do mechanical draftsmen years ago back in the. back in the nineties, early nineties, late eighties, I can't remember. Anyway.

So I went there and they gave us this math book. I remember this. They gave us a math book. They give it on a Friday, and it had different levels of math. From Lower to more advanced.

It wasn't calculus. But you had to know the basics of math and some algebra, some trig, and things like that in order to get through and do this. And I said, okay.

So I took this book and went home on Friday. Yeah. And I did the whole book. Oh, did the whole everything. And I I've I don't I had like 50 pages of notes and answers.

And on Monday, we came back to the class. Like, to give you the teacher, I go, here you go. I did all of it. She goes, no, you didn't. I said, yes, I did.

She goes, no, no, no.

So you understand, we did this whole thing. You can have done the whole thing. I said, yeah, I did. He goes, no, you didn't. I goes, yes, I did.

And I go, look. And she looked through all the stuff, and of course it was easy. For me, it was. And so she goes, No one's ever done that before. And I said, Well, it wasn't that hard.

Just math. And so I remember that was fun, you know, and that if people thought you did the whole book? Yeah. What's so hard? And I also remember once I was in I'll tell you the alien stuff here in a little bit.

But I remember I was in a job I got because of that job, I got another job. Because that trade, I got a job. I taught a guy how to do trig in 20 minutes. He says he can never do trig. I said, Yeah, I'll teach you.

I'll teach you how to do trig in 20 minutes. And he goes, You can't, it's impossible. I says, Yes, I'll do it. And I did. In 20 minutes, he.

Because I don't believe I'm doing triggers. It's not that hard.

So I like math. And this is, if my wife were still around, this is the point. If I'd been talking to her, she'd be staring at me with her eyelids at half-masked, rubbing her forehead like something was wrong with me. But hey, that's what it is.

Okay, so let's get back on track.

Okay, so what are aliens, right? If it's not possible that life can form by random chance out there in the universe, there's only two other possibilities. One, God created alien life out there. That's the only way. Life comes from life, not life from non-life.

Intelligence comes from intelligence, not intelligence from non-intelligence. This is the miracles of atheism. And evolution. Life comes from non-life, pattern from non-pattern, super complex pattern from non-pattern. Information comes from non-information.

It just doesn't make any sense. But at any rate, What the heck are Aliens. Yeah. If God created life out there, Then just to just to have some fun with this, then they would need a Savior. If he did that.

If they did because Okay. If there are angels, now there's angels out there. God created angels.

Okay. So we can say there's none. Non-terrestrial life forms out there called angels. They don't have a Savior because Jesus did not become an angel and die on the cross. He became a man dying on the cross.

So If there are any humanoid-type beings out there, human. Then they needed a savior because they would sin. How do we know they'd sin? Because sin entered the world through one man. And we know that the heavens And the earth are going to be remade.

That's because sin has affected the heavens, and that means the whole thing-the whole shebang out there.

So, that would necessitate then that the if there were any life forms that God created out there, they're affected by the fall as well, and if they're humans. then they would made his image they need a redeemer. Unless God just decided not to redeem them.

So anyway, these are just theories, just talking.

Okay, but I don't believe there's life out there any place in the universe. I don't. And I love Star Trek. Oh, Star Trek's awesome.

So What are these aliens out there?

Well, long story short, I think they're demonic manifestations. Yeah. The reason I say that is because uh they teach theology. And this is not widely known. but they do teach uh the idea that reincarnation is true.

that we are all divine and Jesus is not the only way. And they mentioned that. Also, apparently, there are no records of Christians being abducted. But uh except for one woman, I forgot her name. She had to give permission to be abducted, and she was.

And um Also, it appears to be That when people cry out to Jesus during an abduction, that uh the the abduction ends. Quickly.

Now I'm giving generic statements, okay? But And I gotta be careful how I say certain things here because there's young'uns. might be listening on the radio, driving and stuff like that.

So I'm going to be very vague. but the aliens seem to be interested in reproductive issues. with the people. And uh let's just say the people say that It's universally exceedingly not pleasant. and uh terrifying.

And so why is that the case?

Well, there's a theory within Christian circles that talk about this kind of stuff. There's a theory that they are disembodied demonic forces freed from their bodies by the the flood, that the demonic forces were the Nephilim. They're just throwing the out ideas out, guys. I think I believe all these are don't. It's just these are some of the theories.

And um So some think that they're interested in that because that's what they they were the product of. That's just a theory. But what we do find is Theologically that they don't They don't teach Christian theology. They teach counter-theology.

Now, I'm going to tell you a story here. This is what got me started studying UFOs, and it sounds so weird, even when I say it. But I studied them for a long time. I haven't studied them that much anymore, but I used to study them for about 20 years. a great deal.

Videos, audio tapes. I even have on my computer someplace hundreds of hours of audio tapes. I've read all kinds of books and all kinds of stuff. It just 'cause it was with me, it was fun, it was a hobby.

Well, what started me on this, and I've told this story on the radio before, but what started me on this was an article I read in some I forgot magazine. I don't know. Maybe it was Omni magazine. I don't know. I had the original Omni Magnus, and I had the first cover.

I actually have that. The first mags. At any rate, uh, someplace. But, um So uh I read this article where um This psychologist was doing hypnotherapy hypnosis with. Alleged uh UFO abductees trying to find out any commonalities.

And uh Steven says it'd be funny if Matt got abducted. Yeah, why would that be funny?

So, uh So uh he did these these uh These experiments where he would hypnotize people and get information, looking for commonalities, and lo and behold, he found commonalities. You found lots of them. Just like I say, uh the the issue of reproductive issues, um Very terrifying experiences, very difficult. And generally, the people who are abducted are involved in Not very good spiritual stuff. Also.

Well, anyway, he made the comment at the bottom of the article, and this is what just blew my mind: is that during one of the One of the sessions, one of the hypnotized people said that the aliens taught him theology. And he said, What? What are you talking about? And so he researched the theology that they were taught. He went back and hypnotizing people, and the theology was: Jesus is not God.

We're all divine. and um reincarnation is true. And I've heard this confirmed from other sources as well.

Well, he went he went to the Bible. To read up on Jesus because of this. He says he was just researching and he made a comment, he was not a Christian. You're just doing research. And his mind-blowing comment that I read at the end was that.

He needed to do more research because when he would re-hypnotize the people and bring up the issue of Christ. To them they behaved like the demoniacs did in the New Testament. He says, I got to do more research. This doesn't make sense. That's what blew my mind.

And So I knew something was up at that point and uh then I started studying it.

So there are, by the way, there are lots of of um occurrences of craft all over the world. And this is not a joke. This is real. There's the 1983 or 4 or 5. Um encounter in southern England at an American military base.

And There were all kinds of people who saw a very large ship. move over the base, went out into the forest. uh forest wooded area and people went out and saw and touched a a craft that had descended out of it. There are water-based UFOs. There are Um Stories from all over the world of people seeing objects and seeing things.

and people losing time and Objects implanted in people, all kinds of stuff. And One of the uh Anyway, one of the things that really shook me up years ago was when I was doing so many different areas of research. That I still remember a picture done in the 1800s of two men on a hill. that they were holding this thing up. and it was long and lanky, had was dead, and you could make the picture out.

and they reported a craft had crashed. from the sky. And so they had this picture. And they gave the city and state of where it was.

Okay, well, that was interesting. And I was listening to a report by a UFO guy once who's studying stuff, and he mentioned that. And he mentioned that he knew about that picture. and that he had In this one interview, he said years ago he had brought it up on another interview, and he was going to go there to. Go check it out.

And he did. And the the day before he got there, people dug it up. and disappeared. And so he said this. You know, he said he saw that picture.

I knew what picture he was talking about. I knew where it was and everything. At the time, I forgot the location now. Just those things like that. You go, Yep, someone's bringing this picture up that I know is legit.

And he said he went there and it was dug up right before because he says what he did was he mentioned it over the radio he's going to go there. People were listening to him because he was into this stuff a lot. Anyway, just stuff. You know, just stuff. I think it's all interesting.

I think it's entertaining. And uh Who knows? Who knows what uh What the absolute truth is, though my opinion is they're demonic manifestations because they teach contrary Christian stuff and they are. dangerous. And Christians don't get abducted.

That's what I've seen. That's what I've done. My research. I'm not saying it's all. all absolutely provable.

But I love this kind of stuff. I love conspiracy theories, and to me they're entertaining. And as I've often said when discussing this kind of thing, that my favorite conspiracy theory of all time. Is this one, and that is that there are reptilian aliens interbreeding with Nazis in underground cities in the Antarctic, and when they get enough. They're gonna um they're gonna take over the world.

I love that conspiracy theory. It is so inviting. that it makes me want to believe it just because boy that's just awesome So, I enjoy this kind of stuff. I think it's entertaining, and I love that. That genre.

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