Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. I hope you're going to have a good time listening, whatever happens, whatever the Lord has for us today.

So, if you want. You want to give me a call? It's easy. All you got to do is dial 87-720-72276. And you can also send me an email at info at carm.org.

That's info at carm.org. You can send me an email there, put a subject line radio comment or radio question. And we can get to them. All right, today's date is March 25th, 2026. It is a good day here.

I live in here in Idaho, and it's a beautiful day outside. Just beautiful. Whew, I'm liking it. Hey, I only wish it like where you are.

Alright, let's get to Dave. From North Carolina. Dave, welcome. You're on the air. And Hi, Matt.

Uh my question is in Leviticus nineteen twenty eight when uh God forbid the Israelites to have Tattoos. Is there any relevant for Gentiles and modern day on that. Yes and no.

Now, in Leviticus 19:28, you shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead. Nor make any tattoos marked on yourselves. I am the Lord. And apparently, the context. is that you're making marks and and stuff on for dead people.

And this was forbidden in Israel.

Now, there's a couple of things here.

So What did it mean to them back then? It meant of identifi identifying with and/or remembering a dead person, etc. And the only potential risk that I could see. that is here is if it is um Uh How do I say this? If it is for an ungodly fixation on the people who are dead, have died.

And if you're not to do that, furthermore, making marks on your body and cutting your body. could be a representation of the purity you're to be before God. That uh Purposeful marks that mark you some way. Our um Are to be voided for the Jews because their marking should be internal for the Lord Jesus Christ, for the Lord God, actually.

So there's that.

Now Does this apply to us today? This was given to the Jews. And So they were saying things like, You shall not eat anything with blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying. You shall not round off the side growth of your heads, nor harm the edges of your beard.

So this is just right before verse 28.

So, since the Old Covenant is made obsolete, and this information looks like it was. Um Aimed strictly at the Jews, and were not under that law any more, then I could not in good conscience apply that. to people today. Because they're not under that law. Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah. Um So this isn't really I ge it's up to a person's conscience in today if they won't Right. Having a good conscience toward God, right? Right. That's right.

We're not under that law that was aimed at the Jews. This particular stuff. There were Various things that were said, God would say, say to the sons of Israel. And this is Leviticus 19. And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel, say to them.

And then he was, this is instruction to them. Then there's another set of instructions that are given to the Gentiles. And this isn't given in the Gentile area.

Okay.

All right. Do you have enough time for another question? Sure, no problem. Yeah. Okay.

And Modern day ministry today. When uh did the modern day invitational system of walking aisles and coming for To the front of the alt to the church as being an altar. When did that start? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm assuming in the 1900s or the 1800s, but is this not something I've studied?

So, I couldn't tell you specifically, we could do some quick research, but the idea of an altar call coming forward. It's not an unbiblical thing in that it doesn't count in scripture. Because what you're doing in an altar call going forward is simply making a public declaration. And so that seems to be okay. Um but it it's been done uh probably since the 1800s.

Okay.

Yeah. Well One of the people that I I respect a lot in the ministry And Urban Elixir is the program running to win. had mentioned in his the church there They did not have an altar. That they call it for the motor's bench. After he explained his position on that, It made a lot of sense to me.

Um So What's your take about that? It are called alter calls, which I think is unfortunate. because there's no altar in a true church. There's no altars. The Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox have altars where priests go up and represent sacrifices.

It's just obviously pagan in that, well, it's not pagan, it's Old Testament style, and we don't need it today.

So the phrase altar call is just, I don't know where it got started, it's just the phrase we use. And, you know, going up forward to receive Christ, you know. That's what it is. You can do it in your own, in your chair where you're sitting in a church, for example. You can go forward too.

My wife did. Yes. Yeah, I know a lady that said God saved her when she was out in the middle of a tobacco field.

Okay.

Yeah, that's fine. Yep, I I w actually went forward to a uh to receive Christ. I did. Yes, I remember hearing your testimony. I thought it was remarkable.

Uh I love it. I wish I could you could say it more often. Yeah, it's unusual. An unusual one, that's for sure. It's okay.

Yes. Okay.

All right, well I say That's probably But I want to ask you this. A lot of people is saying. except the Lord. Have you will you accept the Lord? Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Seem to put a pretense on receiving God rather than accepting God. What do you think about that? Yeah, they're synonymous. Receive and accept, basically the same thing. And John 1:12 has been his received him.

So I don't have a problem with it. Because I don't want to put legality Before people coming to Christ. Oh, sorry, you can't walk more than seven steps, otherwise, it's a work. You know, you can't do things like that.

So I say you accept Jesus, you receive Jesus, you're trusting in Jesus. The issue is the heart. And I know that God opens that heart. And He does that to Lydia, Acts 16:30.

So he opens the heart for people to believe and to receive Christ. And so whether they do it with one word used or a different one or going up forward at a church. Or not. It just doesn't depend. I mean, does it okay.

Yeah. Close.

Well, I'll see ya. I appreciate your uh comments and Answer said uh And God bless you.

Well, thank you very much. Appreciate that, okay. All right, well good.

Well God bless.

Alright, yeah. Take care. You too. Actually, I just gave a verse, a wrong verse, that led you to open the mind of. God opened the mind of Lydia to believe the gospel is in Acts.

I don't know why I said 1630. That's not it. It's 16. 14.

So, anyway. All right, let's get next longest is Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome, brother. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, I um Want to ask you about Today I wanted to ask you about the Some believe that Jesus descended into hell.

And I know that's a a controversial topic or whatnot, but I I wonder is a lot of that belief Does that stem from the Apostles' Creed? Because as I read it, would seem more likely it wasn't Hell, or you know, could it be like Hades or Sheols? What do you have to say about that? Yeah, it's from the Creed, it has went to hell, and it was. Meant to be the place of the abode of the dead.

He didn't go to the place of torment as some stupid moronic. False teachers say that Jesus went to hell and finished the atonement there. And uh that's that's a a damnable heresy. But it a lot of that kind of heresy is brought out by people with great teeth, great hair, and they they do teleevangelism stuff a lot. And they couldn't argue their way out of what paper bag don't know theology and they say stupid things because in part the King James is what said that.

And so they make a bad theology out of the King James, which is another reason to not use the King James.

So it says in Acts 2 27, because he had not abandoned my soul to Hades. And uh also Psalm uh 11610, you'll not abandon my soul to sheer all.

So the Creed talks about this thing of going to hell. And I wish I didn't say it that way, but I know what it means in the culture when it was first given.

So. That's it.

Okay, to mistake.

Okay.

I use as a base, but I use a King James study version and It would seem like if someone's going to read that, they would kind of study. Because that word is so obviously Misconstrued that it I don't know to me it's obvious, but a lot of people tend to hang on what they read and leave it as. That's the definition, but they're using their own definition, not going back to see what the original definition was.

So I I I just think it's kind of lazy, but I I'm 99.90% sure that he did not go to hell. Of course, he didn't. But he went and made proclamation of the spirits now in prison, and that is in. 1 Peter 3, 18, 19, and led captive a host of captives. Ephesians chapter 4 talks about that.

So he didn't go to hell, the place of eternal torment, and and suffer there.

So that's just This is the way to get it. All right. All right. Thanks a lot, Matt. Talk to you tomorrow.

Okay, thanks. Bye.

Okay.

Alright now Next longest waiting is Nicholas from Utah. Nicholas, wait, wait. I mean, welcome you on the show. Hey man, how's it going? It's going man, it's going.

What do you got? I spend a lot of time since I talked to you last last time, was that your debate with Andrew Rapport on the gift of this? Utah Christian Research Center. Um Yes, that yeah, that's good. I still don't know where I stand on the issue, but That's all right.

Okay.

It's all right. Yeah, so I have a question real quick. I do evangelism at BYU on Thursday nights. And I've just noticed a trend among the young Mormon men, especially, that they're like big in the philosophy. Eastern Orthodox and recently I want to get to date Calvinism all the time for some reason.

Um so my question just arrived straight. It's derived from the qui a conversation that I had last week with the guy who by the end of our conversation basically was wanting to tell me that God gives us all of our desires, good and bad.

So according to the Calvin view, Um therefore it works. Makes us sin. And yeah, I I can hear that your head hurts. Mine does too. That was a hard conversation.

So my question is, is how do you deal with the topic or charge? From somebody that the reformed view of God means that he positively do sin. Yeah, well we get back from the break, we'll talk about that, okay? I'd be glad to drive down there and debate those guys too. I'd be glad to.

That's right. If you ever bored. No, I get, yeah. Hey, I'll be right back. Boast, please stay tuned.

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Let's get back on with Nicholas from Utah.

Okay, Nicholas, you there? Yes, sir. All right. Now, just before we get started, if you can find these guys, if they want to have a discussion, a serious discussion, I'd be willing to drive down there. 'Cause I you know, I know Bill and Eric and I've been thinking about going down there anyway sometimes.

They had a good reason. And If they're listening, probably saying, What's visiting us? Isn't a good reason? But to get down or do several things at once, I'd be willing to do that. We can meet at the center or someplace.

And discuss it. But their doctrine, what they're getting, where they get that, the idea that Calvinism teaches that God causes people to sin or gives them to sinful desires, is from the the book Second Colonoscopy. That's where they get that doctrine. And uh it's it's not scriptural. And they fail.

to understand that um There's a difference between efficient and proximate causation or direct and indirect work. They fail to understand such things as God works all things after the counsel of His will, Ephesians 1.11. And even though God predestined bad things to happen in regard to Jesus to bring him to crucifixion, In Acts 4, 27, 28, yet in Acts 2, 23, it was the Jews who did this. And So a lot of times those who attack Reformed theology and God's sovereignty and election grossly misrepresent it, and to my surprise, very few who misrepresent it want to learn to actural actu it's going to be to actually know what it really teaches. It's really interesting.

Because I have a master of the divinity from a Calvinist seminary, and I've been defending it for basically 36 years. And so I know it well, I know how to defend it. And when I teach people, I say, look, it's not what we teach, that's not the position. Would you like to know what it really is? And they say, no.

And when I teach them, sometime I'll teach them anyway, they still misrepresent. In fact, I'm supposed to be debating a guy online who's just a rabid, I mean flumming at the mouth anti-Calvinist. And he grossly misrepresents Calvinism and refuses to be taught. refuses to be corrected. And so uh He's got problems.

And there are people who are emotionally. I don't know. Emotionally, they snapped mentally and emotionally, and they don't like the idea of God's sovereignty, they want their own. They don't like the idea that God's in control. They want their own control.

And so they mock the things of God. In fact, I go into rooms, in chat rooms, and if reformed theology comes up. A lot of times, the people in the Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholics will mock predestination. They'll say, what are you talking about, man? I'm just predestined to be a Catholic.

and I say, be careful of the things you mock that come from God. And I warn them. And there's a lot of mockers out there. At any rate, so there's just a little thing there. I can explain more detail, but go ahead and I can explain the difference between efficient and proximate causation about this stuff.

Right. Yeah, it's just uh it just gets frustrating 'cause it's like like you mentioned, it's like you almost can't even reason with them when you go to like, well, here's what God's word says on the matter, right. It's just the accusation that I always get is, well, That's just because of your reformed interpretation. then like, okay, so like for example, if I have them read in Romans 9, which is I tell them every time. I wanted to rip this passage out of my Bible when I was an early Christian because I understood what it said and I wasn't okay with that.

And so if you just read the plain text, What is it saying? You read it. I'll have them read it out loud, and then they'll still tell me that it's my interpretation. And it's just like And I feel bad, you know. But you do.

You want to see these guys come to Christ, but it's like. Yeah. When they say that's just your interpretation, I'll say, all I did was read the text. And they'll say, well, I know what interpretation you mean by it. And I say, Well, what interpretation is that?

Tell me my interpretation. And then to see what they say. And this is when they become vitriolic, they call names, maybe you've experienced this, refuse to be taught, they're full of pride and arrogance. Yeah, and and uh I use Ephesians 1.11. And I trick them sometimes.

I'll say, look, I believe that God works everything after the counsel of His will. Everything. Everything. And sometimes I'll say, no, he doesn't.

Now say I just quoted you Ephesians 1.11. You understood exactly what it says, and you denied it. Why do you deny the Word of God? Oh, they don't like it when you trick them like that. But sometimes they'll say, Well, I don't agree with your interpretation of it.

Well, what's my interpretation? I didn't say anything, I just quoted it.

So, what's going on? And they'll ask him: Do you affirm or do you deny that God is the sovereign king and nothing occurs without his permission? That's a question they don't want to answer. Because if they say yes, everything occurs by his permission. Then I say to them, Welcome to Calvinism.

I hope they don't like that. Yeah, it's it's it's it's put me on the journey to start reading.

So I'm reading a book right now by Joel Beek called Calvin for Today and. It's what I'm learning even just about Calvin himself is and he held Scripture in such high regard Right. I don't see where any ill intent would come from.

So, anyway. Well, that's what it says too. I don't want to white fingers and say Well yeah, I agree with you. Mm-hmm.

But I've defended it thousands of times over decades. And I know it well. I can stand up in front of a church. Without any Bible, without any notes, just quote scripture and go to town for an hour and explain Reformed theology. That's how often I have done this.

So that I have so much memorized. And it's the reason is because the people hate God. In fact, one of the things I understood that was interesting is that the cults hate the sovereignty of God. And false religions hate the sovereignty of God. And so, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, they all deny God's election and predestination, even though it's what the Bible teaches.

I show them where. And and they just deny it. But here, let me help you out with a concept, okay? is what called efficient and proximate causation. Are you familiar with those terms?

Efficient and proximate causation, no.

Okay.

There's actually three. There's uh approximate excuse me, there's efficient, proximate and ultimate causation.

So Pro uh efficient causation, Adam and Eve were in the garden. And Adam ate the fruits, and he sinned. No one forced him to do it. No one forced him, no one got him in a headlock, made him eat the fruit. You know, no one did that.

So he is the efficient cause of his own rebellion, his own sin. his action whether good or bad, is his own. He's the efficient cause of what he did. The proximate cause of Adam's sin is God. What we mean by the proximate cause is the condition in which the efficient cause occurred or the efficient action.

What we mean by that The proximate cause is God made the garden. God made the trees. He put the fruit there. He let the serpent come in.

So the temptation came because God permitted the temptation to come in. And he gave instruction to Adam. He permitted Adam to be there, breathe the air. walk with gravity, all that God provided. And so God is the proximate cause.

but not the efficient cause.

So the proximate cause is separation from the efficient cause. The proximate cause is the environment or condition in which an action occurs, and the action occurs of someone's own free will.

So the condition That Adam of Adam said was the garden, but that's the location. And the The place of his own sin was his own heart. And so this is the difference between efficient and approximate causation, okay? Can help buddy? Yeah.

Alright now, I guess they'll appreciate it. All right, God bless, buddy. Bye.

Hey folks, you got two open lines? Give me a call, 877-207-2276. I'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All Roberti, welcome back to the show. Let's see, let's see, let's get to Joe from Michigan. Joe, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, Matt.

Last Friday, you mentioned the book and you said that if any book, it'd be the second book that you would take with you. It was something about peasant. What was the name of that book? Yes, it's poet and peasant and through peasant eyes. That's the title.

Poet and peasant, And through peasant eyes, it's the whole title.

So if you go to Amazon, that's where you can get it. All right. And just type in, I'm doing it right now as we're talking, poet. Poet and peasants. Yep.

I just type it in. It's by just Potent Peasant, and it'll come up. Uh He'll come up Poet and Peasant and he'll come up with Poet and Peasant Through Peasant Eyes: A Literary Cultural Approach to Parables in Luke. It's the combined addition. It is fantastic.

It'll teach you about chiastic structure as well as cultural stuff. It is just raw some. All right. Well, the thing is I come from a Catholic background.

Okay.

Really hard for them to listen to what I'm trying to tell them. Yeah, because they're enculturated to believe tradition and their church that replaces Christ. It's hard to get them out of the cult. Mm-hmm.

Alright.

Well, I thank you for taking my call, Matt. God bless you. YouTube and God bless.

Alright.

Now, let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Jamal, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Brother Slick, thank you for taking my call. I'm enjoying hearing the Hearing the comments and the questions and answers.

So I just wanted to. add on boxes it's been a while. Sure, what do you got, buddy? It's a complex question, so hopefully I can phrase it correctly.

Okay.

Taking a class called Perspectives USA at Pine Ville Church. And we can pay them. And they are focusing well, one of their focuses is the mission field. And I heard that America is the benefit of mission trips. But The mission has also been spread through captivity, subjugation and all that.

So my question is, although I have a Idea of Vanessa, but I want to hear yours. Would God's with But God's will still be done. whether we engage in mission trips or not. Yeah. There when you say will, there's the ultimate will, there's the prescriptive will, and there's the permissive will.

So, the ultimate will of God is his general, whatever's going to hurt, occur everywhere. The prescriptive will of God is the commandments like: don't lie, don't steal. The permissive will of God is He lets you lie, He lets you steal.

So when we say that it's within God's will that you lie, We don't mean he's causing you or wants it, but it's in his will to permit it. But in his permissive will, he can certainly bring about the ultimate will of what he desires, because he ultimately may want a group saved, and in the permission of the sin of, let's say, enslavement, imprisonment, He takes people. Or he allows people to be taken, and then they are taken to other areas and spread the gospel. Even though such imprisonment was wrong and sinful, God used people's sin in order to spread his gospel.

So we have, when you say will of God, we have to divide it up and speak in those different terms, and then we can make more sense of it.

Okay.

Wow, that's amazing. I'm glad to hear the terminology behind that. And of course, that was a lot more organized detailed than. Than what I was thinking about. Can you give me those terms again?

Sure. You think it was descriptive and what was the other one? Ultimate and prescriptive.

So think of prescription, a prescription for pills, you know, you have a prescription. It's what is prescribed for you to do.

So we call it the prescriptive. Will.

So the prescriptive will is: hey, this is what I want you to do. Take two of these in the morning. Don't lie. Don't steal. Honor your mother and your father, the prescriptive will of God, the permissive will of God.

He lets you lie, he lets you steal. It's his will to permit it.

Okay.

Okay.

Alright, got it, got it. Yeah. and permissive, correct? Ultimate Prescriptive, permissive.

Okay, alright. Um um Is this on the website by any chance? Because I'm not in a position to write it down.

Okay.

Oh, he's standing up or sitting down? But it was a bad joke.

Well, we're in the position. Are you standing or sitting? Which was okay, prescriptive.

Well, let's see if I got it on carm. Um okay, that's that that's good. You know, I don't know if I have it. How about that? I looked up prescriptive will.

Um Pray for God's will. Let's see if I can do this. Prescriptive. You know what? I don't ha I don't believe I don't have an article on it.

How about that? Going up the way for Jamal. All right. There you go. Ultimate prescriptive.

I got to write something on that. All right. And uh. I said I got a sort of dead though.

Well, I know I've written on it in other areas. I've got my notes, I've got outline notes, I got so much. I need, man, I need volunteers. I wish we had a lot of money so that we could hire people. I need a lot of money in the bank so I can say, I'm going to hire you to do a certain job, whatever it costs.

And they're up there to do that because we don't have money for full-time. Stuff, but you know, it's like oh man, it's just we have so much, there's so much to do, and uh, I'm whining now with a smile. Um I've got I've got over a thousand articles to write, videos to convert. I've got another school on biblical hermeneutics I'm supposed to work on. I've got some projects on marriage and family stuff supposed to work on.

And I'm just telling you, you know, I was telling Laura and Charlie, who work with me, I said, man, I need another me clone. And the Laura immediately said, No, we don't want that. And, you know, it's so there's only one of me is too much. But. I just need a lot of help.

But at any rate, mental and emotional. But man, I guess some of the deal.

So, anyway, I've got to write an article on that and then convert it to video and some other stuff.

So, I'll see what I've got. All right, buddy. All right, good deal. Thanks as always. And Miss Joanne, I'm waving at you, Charlie, and the rest of the gang.

Waiting at you guys too. A guy support Matt Slick always. And I always pray for your brothers. Take care and God bless.

Well, God bless.

Sounds good. All right. Alright brother, thanks a lot Jamal. Jamal's all right. I like Jamal.

We have to hang out at uh when I went out there last year. In North Carolina for a conference got to speak at, and it was great to meet him. And some other guys and brothers and sisters in the Lord.

So, okay, whoo, this will be a surprise. Oh, man, let's get to Brent from North Carolina. Brent, welcome. You're on the air. Okay.

I'm on the air again and Mr. Max Lick. Uh-huh. How are you today, sir? I'm doing well by God's grace.

Um sure.

So what do you got? One question. I heard you say earlier. Thou shalt not lie. Yeah.

That's one of is that one of the commandments? Uh bear don't bear false witness. Yeah. Don't bear false witness. Do not lie.

Did I use my name in vain? That's right. Well, you know, you've broken all those commandments just about. I have. I wouldn't say just about.

I've I've broken all of em. You sure have, and you know that you sure have, and I'm gonna advise you today: you need to be apologetic about talking about the Hebrew Israelites. Because what's going to happen, you're going to bring a curse on you and the radio world. You do have coons following you. Uh, you have people following you that don't know the truth.

You're going to have to be apologetic over the radio world that you have disrespected the Hebrew Israelites. And if not, a curse will come upon you and your radio ministry.

Well, the only thing I'm sorry about is not exposing the heresies and the lies from the Black Human movement. Because it is a false religious movement. And they say the same thing about the white movement.

Okay, if you want to get into color, I can say something about the white movement.

Okay.

So it teaches it denies the Trinity, denies the deity of Christ, denies atonement by or salvation by grace of faith. Huh? Yeah. How do we deny the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Ruach Kakodesh? I did not.

What's the ruachabesh? What is that? You just got something in your throat? Yeah, you're laughing. But you up under a spirit and a ghost?

Or ghosts? What is a ghost and a spirit? You're laughing. I'm la I'm laughing because you don't have to say you don't have to mix languages. It's ridiculous.

It makes you sound spiritual. No, it doesn't. It makes you sound foolish. Hold on. I'll be right back after the break, okay?

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hold you right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, and welcome back to the show. We have nobody waiting except for Brent. We only have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with.

But I'm from North Carolina. Welcome. You're back on the air. Hey, Mac, you have a perfect name, Matt Slick. You know, that's a perfect name.

Yes, I think it's a great name. It is a great name, it sure is. You know what a snake do, don't you? What was that scene again? The what?

Do you know what a snake does? A big sneak. What do you A snake. I said a snake. You mean the snake that teaches black Hebrew Israelite theology, racism, denies a true God, denies a true Christ?

You mean that? Oh, I'm familiar with it. Why are y'all so angry with us black people in general? Why are y'all so angry with us? I'm not angry with black people.

It's the BHI movement, it's a black Hebrew-Israelite movement. Look, my daughter, I have three daughters. I have three daughters, and one of them, one of them likes dating black guys. I don't care. I don't care.

It doesn't bother me anymore. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You care. You care.

You care. No, it doesn't bother me. Yes, you do. All I care about is that they're good Christian men. That's all I care about.

You know why? If you didn't care, you acknowledge the true Savior, which is Yahushua Hamasheph, who's a black man. You don't want to acknowledge the truth. I don't care if he's black. I don't care if Jesus is black or brown.

I don't care. You're acknowledging the white Jesus. And these people on these lines keep listening to this crap. What makes you think he's black? Demonstrate to me he was black.

Just demonstrate Jesus was black. He's a black pair of wolves. Was it not the Mesopotamia that he came out of? Is Israel in the Mesopotamia? Yes or no?

What do you mean Mesopotamia? It came out of Eg I mean out of Israel. Don't you know that? David, you're still looking up for your map, man. You don't even know the map.

What the fuck? I'm thinking of the B52 song, Mesopotamia. You didn't know that! When Yehuswa and when his mother and father fled, they went into Egypt. They didn't go into Europe.

What are you doing? Like this is a joke. I would say you went into Egypt. He didn't go to Europe. I would say you were a black man.

I don't know what you're talking about. Y'all talking this crap for 400 years. You've got to be believed. What are you talking about? Mesopotamia is not Israel.

Israel is not Mesopotamia. Stop the lying. Y'all wouldn't altered mouth.

Okay, hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Brent, you got to get something in your thick skull.

Don't call me a liar. A liar means someone you're saying that they're purposely trying to deceive. I'm not trying to do that. I can certainly be mistaken about facts. But if you call me a liar again, I'm just going to get rid of you.

Well, I apologize, sir, but y'all, you, you're, you're, you're making people angry. Your wives and children are angry with you. Y'all are teaching this style of calls Easter bunny stuff. Stop it. I'm not teaching Easter bunny stuff.

I don't teach Easter bunny stuff. I teach what the Bible says. You don't. You deny God's word. See?

Do you see gangsta? No, I don't. What do you mean, Easter? I teach when Jesus rose from the dead. That's what I teach.

What did what did he die on?

Well, there's a debate Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. There's some debates, but I'm just going to say you. Dude, dude, okay, we're done. We're done. We're done.

When someone just stopped, won't let me finish and start answering, just keep going, we're done.

Okay, that's all. I've had way too many encounters with people who are like that. And I've said this before, when they start getting to the point where they just continually interrupt and continually overtalk, then that means they've lost control. And that's not a conversation. Let's get to James from South Carolina.

James, welcome. You're on the air. Good afternoon, Matt. Good afternoon. And I do enjoy your name to be a preacher.

That's pretty cool, actually. We have a preacher up here. His name was Perry Noble. And his his follower was Clayton King.

So we had a noble and a king. Oh, there you go. And if slick were to get in it, it would just mess it up. Yeah. Oh no, I don't think so.

He would be just fine. Here's my question for you. I know the scripture says that everybody dies and then the judgment. Correct? And you know, for believers is We've already mentioned cross.

Um My question would be about Enoch. He didn't die. Right. Yeah. It's just a hard question.

I know he's saved. He obviously had to be saved. I mean, he gets pulled up to heaven. You can't go to heaven unless you're Holy and righteous, he can't get in, right? That'd be correct.

Okay.

But he He never passed in that respect.

So Yeah. And um, neither did um, who was it? Uh, Elijah Elisha, right? Right, uh-huh. Elijah excuse me, Elijah.

Right?

So do they still have to go and be judged? Or It doesn't matter more. Everybody's going to face a judgment. Those who are in Christ, who died before or after the crucifixion, and who put their faith and trust in what God had revealed at that time in the Lord Jesus and the Old Testament and the coming Messiah. They are without condemnation in that they're not going to go to hell, but they will face a judgment of what we will all, of our rewards and loss reward based on our works that we've done.

That works don't save us or keep us saved, okay? No. Right. That that's in Corinthians. Right.

One other question I have, which is a little silly maybe, but um When they came back from school, and they're going into Jericho. Oh, okay. They said that there were there were there were giants. Were they like The Goliath and David giants? Probably.

Or are they the Nephilim type or? Probably is this just a figure of speech?

Okay.

That's what I said, probably.

Some say that it's just a figure of speech or giants, but uh In Joshua 11, 21 through 22, it talks about the Anakim. And So my opinion is uh they were actually uh m more nephilim.

Okay, that's what I lean towards. I'm not going to die in that hill, but I lean towards it. And by the way, Thanks to Eric Johnson and doing all the work that he does with tours over to Israel, I've been to Jericho a couple of times. It's nice to be able to do that. to boast in that.

But anyway, so there's the Anakim and there's the Rephaim. And so Um And then I like to say the word Anunnaki because it's just fun to say it. Anunnaki. The Anunnaki. If I was something that I would hear from ancient aliens or something like that.

That's right. Anunnaki. The Anunnaki. And you're going to say it with enthusiasm, though, and then it makes it sound better, you know.

So, anyway, that's Egyptian, isn't it? Uh you know I don't know. Uh are new mackerel.

So, you know, I get a kick out of stuff sometimes. You know, I can entertain myself too by saying something stupid over and over again. I don't know if that's good or bad, but so uh It's ancient mythology. Yeah, Sumerian stuff like that.

Okay, Mesopotamia. Yeah. All right. W one other question. I know this is the third one.

This is the book of Revelation. That's all right. At the book of Revelation, at the very end. Um I always wo wondered about Why do you have Leaves on a tree that are for the healing of the nations if everything is now perfect. Uh Well Is the question?

Here's the question. Is your question a good question?

Now the reason I say that is What does it mean by leaves? What does it mean by healing of the nations? What's the chronology of it? You say everything's perfect. What does that mean?

It's just a very, it's a difficult thing. And so a lot of times what happens, you might say, okay, why is that? And you start going to study and you start learning what the leaves mean, what the nations mean. And then you say, well, the question needs to be changed now. And I'm just saying that.

that sometimes in our studies We have to realize varying things and what do these mean because sometimes people go to Revelation and make strict doctrine out of it. And I'm not saying you can't, but Revelation is intended to be understood by looking at the Old Testament a lot. as well as some of the new in the issue of the symbols of what it means. And in the white robes, and washed in the blood of the Lamb. This is referencing the Old Testament.

a cleansing through atonement. And so That's what I'm saying. It's hard to answer. Heaven's other study on that exactly. That's so.

And just always and, you know, I I have a finite mind like everyone else.

So I guess that's where sometimes you sit you sit by yourself and you think and you go, Well, if it's perfect. And perfect means complete. There is no need for anything else because it's already excellent. Here's the thing. This is makes the earth new and Here's the thing.

Let me give you an example of something. Did God make Adam and Eve perfect? What do you think? Yes or no? I would think so, yes.

Well, he didn't. He made him good. Doesn't say perfect.

So is that important?

Well yes, and here's why it's important. because God chose His word specifically. And We have to then understand what is meant by good in that context. If we change even one word and say, oh, good means perfect, and then we interpret goodness on what we conceive perfection to be. Then we're no longer reading God's Word.

Telling God's word what it's supposed to be.

So it's just a when you say good then, then I think of what Jesus said: there's none good but the Father.

Well, see, there you go. And there's no good, no good but God, actually. And then I asked people: was Jesus good?

Well, yes.

Well, then what are you saying?

So when we talk about the issue of Adam and Eve, I do this sometimes with people. I'll say, don't say they were perfect, because the Bible doesn't say that. Say they were good.

Well, it means the same thing, does it? No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. So if it means the same thing, why didn't God use the word you think needs to be there? Because people don't realize that sometimes word studies, you learn what God means in that context.

He has a reason for putting that word there. Here's a reason. And we need to s submit ourselves to what it says in the in the reason.

So I'm not trying to make you feel bad or look better or anything like that. It's just, hey, we all do this. It's like, oh, it's a good exercise, you know. And so then when you say, oh, the new heavens, new earth, was it perfect? Does the word occur?

In fact, if I go to the revel good go to Revelation. and I type in the word perfect It doesn't even occur in the at least in the English of the NASP.

Okay.

But if I took like the word good, Whoa. Let's see if it occurs in Revelation. It doesn't occur in Revel in the book of Revelation either. How about that? Just interesting.

You know, it's like, oh, I didn't know that.

Well, why is it not good? Why does good not occur in there and perfection not occur in the new heavens and new earth?

Now, that's a good question. Why is it you'd think it'd be there? 'Cause you think it'd be good. And where's the first it would be perfect? Maybe.

So now we go, where's the first occurrence of the word good occur? And the first occurrence is in Genesis 1.4. And God saw the light was good. Oh, interesting. You know?

And then he said our creation was very good. There you go. Now why would he add the word vary? That's true, exactly.

So these are kind of some of the things I will ponder on. Why did he say good, good, good, and then very good? what is it about very good? And that's the question. And see, here we are.

The only answer would be man. Oh, and made the image of God. But, you know, so you see, one thing leads to another. And that's how come we gotta study.

Okay, brother, there's the music. Gotta go, brother.

Alright?

Alright, double-should go about blessed. All right, folks, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you. There's his music. Phil, call back tomorrow.

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