Matt Slick Live

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Hi everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. Today's date. It is March 16th, 2026.

So we got a couple of things to talk about. One of them is, I had a bit of an experience yesterday, real minor, something that got me thinking. And I went to a church, a different church. I'm trying to find a church in my area that I can go and attend and not feel as though I won't be welcomed if they find out that I'm reformed and aw-mill and whatever. And I just get tired of I get tired of the division.

I get tired of it.

So So, yesterday I went to this church and I was surprised. It's very local and The pastor, he's obviously intelligent and articulate. He talked about eschatology. At the end times. And So I'm in I'm listening.

And he gave the different views, premillennialism. dispensational premillennialism, amillennialism, and postmillennialism. And I thought, okay, because I know what this perspective is from their church. I know what denomination group they're in. I know what they're going to be.

And that's okay. That's fine. I don't have to agree with them. They don't have to agree with me. That's okay.

And so no big deal, and I was listening. And something interesting occurred, very, very subtle. But I've really been thinking about it.

So he was talking about amillennialism. Just giving it a brief overview. And I'm a millennial. And I don't care if you are or not, that doesn't bother me. But what happened The way it was delivered one part was a bit of a ridicule.

And If the attitude that seemed Come out was was one of yeah, just ridicule. Very subtle. As though the the ridicule was was wetted with the idea of um how could someone believe this stuff? That's what he didn't say that, but it's what came out. And I, right when that, when that.

It came out. I looked around. I noticed the congregation. I knew the heads of people shaking their heads like, of course, how could you believe something so dumb?

So obviously wrong. And it bothered me. It bothered me a lot. Not that they don't agree with me. I don't care.

What bothered me. was the accidental division. It seemed to be generated out of that.

Now, I'm sure the guy's a great guy. I'm sure the pastor's a great man of God and loves the Lord. And It really It it irritated me. And I go, I'm done. I'm not going to stay here.

Because take all my toys and go home, kind of thing. That wasn't that. It was, you know, I just get tired of. of the disunity. in the body of Christ.

And I could see the future that it is no reason for me to be there. Because I'm all millennial, I'm reformed in my theology, I know how to defend it. And the only thing I'm going to do is cause problems there if I were to stay and talk to people and they ask me questions. You know, I'm not there to do that. I'm not there to cause any problems.

And so I thought, you know, this is useless for me to be here ultimately. You know, I could just go and just. Yeah. Just do nothing, you know. Just sit there and not get to know people and just sit in the back and then leave as soon as the service is open over.

And that's just not how a church should be.

So As I was saying here, I was thinking about this quite a bit. And Okay. And I started Remembering some scriptures, and I'm going to go over some stuff here. I'm going to talk about something. It says in Ephesians 4.3.

Uh Let me read in fact, let me just start reading in Ephesians 4, verse 1. Because I think this is r relevant. This is unity in the spirit. Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called. with all humility and gentleness, with patience showing tolerance for one another in love.

being diligent to preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. Damn. And it says, For there is one body and one spirit, just as also you are called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Yeah. And it goes on, and I'm not going to read all of it, but it talks about.

And down to verse 11, he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers. for the equipping of the saints for the work of service. To the billing of the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity. The faith. And it occurred to me that Inadvertently the pastor, was causing a division in the body of Christ.

Now, I can't help but wonder how many times I've done that. I mean, I'm not just pointing fingers and saying I'm perfect. No way I started thinking about this some more because I'm involved pretty often in discussions with. With false religious systems like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam. Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy.

These are all false. And yet within Protestantism as a whole. We have so many divisions. And there's this lack of ability, it seems, to be united in Christ, where that is the most identifying thing. It seems to me that in a lot of churches, the most identifying thing is: well, this is what we teach.

About eschatology. This is what we teach about baptism. This is what we teach about the charismatic gifts. And of course, if you don't agree, we'll tolerate you. But you know, we need to We need to group in our tribe, in our clan.

under this one roof. behind the doors. Because we obviously No more than others. And we are the ones more sensible than you. That's why we group together in our church, not go to where you would go.

And Recently I was talking to somebody. And um And I said was reformed. and I was met with a kind of a side-eyed attitude. Oh, really? You you one of those?

And These occurrences the past uh few days have got me thinking. You know, the devil is alive and well inside the Christian church. What would happen? If What was taught in a study on eschatology or the discussion of God's sovereignty and predestination election?

Well it was taught a long side of all of it was Um the humility of maybe we're wrong. not the assurance. that we are right. Yeah. There's a difference here.

And that we do not want to be compromised in the essentials, the doctrine of the Trinity, that Jesus Christ is God in flesh. He has two natures, both God and man, that he died on the cross and rose from the dead in the same body he died in. But it's a glorified, resurrected body, and that we're justified, we're saved by faith alone, in Christ alone. That baptism is important, but it is not necessary for us to become Christians and be saved and stay saved. Stuff like this, I can get into a few more of these basic essentials which are right out of Scripture.

And that's where the emphasis needs to be. What would happen? Yeah. Just what would happen? If the Christian body Was focusing on the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ above our pet doctrines.

Well, I'm definitely reformed and I defend it frequently. And I'm good at it because I've been doing it for basically 36 years, defending it. But So? Doesn't mean I'm right. You have an article that I've written on another website of mine.

on predestination. And I wrote at the end, I'm absolutely convinced I'm right. but I'm also absolutely convinced I could be wrong. And I've had people comment about that statement. and they're appreciative.

You know, what we do is we gather teachers to ourselves that we like. and hopefully for good biblical reasons, we want to avoid the false teachers. But I can't help but wonder if alongside of our gathering to those who teach what we consider to be biblical, that we don't bring tithe excuse me, pride along with it.

Okay. I know I'm guilty of that. I certainly am. There's a saying I love, we fall in our strengths. as well as our weaknesses.

I'm strong in certain areas, intellectually, memorization of Scripture, doctrinal knowledge, etcetera. But that could be a downfall too. Because I can become so entrenched in what I believe and what I know that I can't see other things. And that's something to be avoided. We always have to have an attitude of humility before God.

as we seek to hear what he has to say. and to look across the aisle. at a brother and sister in Christ. who believes differently. in the non-essentials.

and that in our own hearts Unity, love, acceptance is the primary thing. Over.

Well we can't really fellowship. We can tolerate each other, but that's it. I think that's the work of the devil. in our own hearts. I think that pastors have to be very careful as well, myself included.

that we do not inadvertently caused division in the body of Christ. among the true believers. Not the outsiders like the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, and I directly and purposely make that statement because official doctrines of those two groups is Antichrist. Mormonism is not Christian. teaches a God from another world becoming gods.

Jehovah's Witnesses is not Christian. Denies the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. Islam, of course, is false for a multitude of reasons. and there's all kinds of things we can get into. But what we have is the essentials of the Christian faith, and we need to be unified in those so that the same Spirit can move us.

to operate with unity. in the kingdom of God. That's what we need. to operate in unity. And I think that the unity we sometimes seek is with our little local group.

because we find security. and affirmation in that, that yes, We have it together. No, I'm gonna tell you. I used to go to Calvary Chapel a lot. I've been to Baptist churches where I attended a lot, Presbyterian churches where I attended a lot.

Even Lutheran. I went to a Lutheran college. And I found believers everywhere. But have also found division. everywhere.

And it bothers me.

Now, I know that not everybody's going to agree on the adiophra, the non-essentials. I get that. They're not going to agree on all those non-essentials, and that's okay. Each person should be convinced in his own mind. According to Romans 14:5 on some of these issues.

All right. But Are we then Associating our worth and our spiritual maturity with the non-essentials. such that we inadvertently, accidentally, In our hearts judge our brothers and sisters. That's something I have to ask myself. And it's something I think we all need to worry about, all need to be concerned about.

Because it would be easy to look down our noses at those who don't think like us don't look like us. Don't believe in the non-essentials like us. Oh, you're Post-rib rapture, how could you believe that? Oh, you're all male? How could you believe that?

Oh, you're pre-male. How could you be so dumb? Oh, the charismatic gifts have ceased. Oh, hey, they're still around. Boy, you just don't know stuff.

But we have it together. And this is the kind of attitude that the devil just loves to have. He loves to see it in us because then we separate ourselves. He doesn't have to do it. We do it voluntarily.

And then how is the Holy Spirit going to work? Across the body of Christ for those who seek division and judgment within the body. We don't. And that's a problem. We need to be united.

Uh There's the music for the break. May the Lord bless you. Be right back after these messages. Looking at John, then David. We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright, and welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here. Let's get to John from Colorado.

John, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. There you go. Very, very good point to your last point you just made.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Let's face it, you don't like me. Too much.

What?

Well, you know who I am. I've spoken with you in the past. Your voice is familiar, but I don't I generally don't remember people too well. But uh your voice is familiar.

Well, I'll get on to this topic.

So the topic is our thoughts. Yeah. Now I'm not out here doing anything. in action. I'm just going to work and I go home, and that's it.

I don't go anywhere. I don't know. I have no idea, Robert, who you are.

Okay. So what's your question?

Well God judges our thoughts, doesn't he? Yes.

So, is there some sort of mind trick where I can make myself? Not think bad things? No.

Okay. Well, what do I do about it? Focus on Jesus and let your mind dwell on the things of God. and none of the things that are of the world. There's no mind trick.

Okay. What you need is scripture. You can go to Philippians 4:6. Be anxious for nothing, But in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren. Whatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence, and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. That's what you do. Do the best you can that way.

Okay. There's no money at the same time.

Well, and that is the answer I've gotten from All of our leadership. All of our good leadership has all been the same thing. But on the other hand, there is the part where it says to be watchful. and to wake up Yeah, okay, so you have a. Do you have a question?

You want to just kind of throw something out at me here? question we can get to something Yeah.

Well what I'm saying is, if I'm watching the world Well, it's it's getting to me. I'm watching what everyone's doing. And then I looked at myself at the same time. Yeah. And I'm starting to see.

If I was those people, I would be just like them. Yes, if you were them, you would be just like them because do you have. Do you have any any question?

Well I still can't control my mind.

Okay. a control my my actions and what I do every day. But in my head What do I do about that? I mean, what you do is. You pray.

And you focus.

Okay, CPR is what you need. You need Christian CPR. Confess, pray, read. Confess your sins before God. Pray for holiness.

Pray for sanctification.

Okay. and read the Word of God. This will gradually work in your heart and your soul.

Okay? CPR, confess, pray, read. All right. Well, I have studied the Bible. And I've listened to it and I've I've studied what you The thing you've written me.

A lot of them. Um about Fifteen times I've been over the Bible now.

Okay. The entire set and studied it.

Okay. Then I do understand what it's saying. But I still say God is judging my thoughts. I know it's healthy. Here's the thing I've noticed when I talk to you.

Is Lord Haddon? I'll tell you, here's what you should be doing. I'll give you a scripture. You don't seem to agree with the word of God. you continue to go on with the same The same attitude that you have.

So You know, why are you doing that? You know, I've given you what the scriptures say Okay. You know, Romans 12.2 says, Be transformed by the renewal of your mind. Philippians 4:8, let your mind dwell on the things of God. You pray, you confess, you read.

These are the things you need to do. I get the impression sometimes you don't want to do them, you want to talk about doing them.

Well, I don't pray. Because I figure when I want something, God isn't going to get me when that's what I ask for.

So you disobey God? You don't pray? You disobey Him? And you wonder why we're having thought problems? I'm just saying.

Well, in terms of results. And results?

Okay. Yeah, if I asked for something, I'd like to get the result.

Well, yeah, but that's you know, don't be a diaperinian. A diaper Indian is someone who wears their spiritual diapers. They don't get what they want, and they go, whah, whah, I'm not going to pray anymore. You pray in faith. You trust that the Lord knows what He's doing, He's going to work in you and through you.

Alright, takes time.

Sometimes he he delivers quickly, sometimes he doesn't, sometimes it takes longer. You need to pray in faith. and move forward.

Okay. Okay, so The point is, God still judges me in my thoughts. My thoughts are wrong. But I'm in the law. Yes, you confess your sins.

and you ask God to improve your mind and your thought life. You read the word and you pray, spend time in the presence of God. It has an effect on you. It will change you. That's what you gotta do.

Okay. But at the same time, I'm supposed to be watching the world.

Okay, I gave you the advice. Move along. I gave you that advice. and I also had some advice. Actually, interact with what I actually say when you call me up.

because he doesn't seem to want to do that. Let's get on with Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, and it's good to talk to you again.

Okay. And I have a question. I've been trying to find time to call you and ask you about, get your opinion on with David. David, the scripture says he had a lot of wives. lot of concubines Um Was that Responsible for that being wrong in doing that.

Yes.

I when I see where he had um put your eye at the front of the battle when he Had him killed that it seemed like that's the first time I see judgment fall on David and saying the swords won't depart from your household. But I I'm thinking, well, what about all these I don't know if he had other wives at that time or they came later. I don't know, but. Um Hello. I'm just trying to reconcile, did God look at that as evil?

Yeah. Here we go.

Okay, I want to be very specific here. What's the that exactly referring to? All the women he had, wives and all the concubines. I mean, you know. Hold on, we gotta break.

So, hold on. Hold on, we gotta break, okay?

Sorry about that.

Well, we are back, okay? Hey, folks, please stay tuned. We'll get back with Dave from North Carolina right after these messages. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on here with Dave from North Carolina. Dave, are you still there? I sure am. All right.

Now So Are you asking, make sure we get the question right? Are you asking, did God deal with? David's sin of multiple wives. Yes, mm-hmm. And Solomon done the same thing.

But yet these people are David was the apple of God's eye, and I just wonder where where is the judgment for it? Uh well. You know, God forced Forestalls his judgment because of his grace, ultimately in the personal work of Jesus Christ, who, according to you know, later, a thousand years later, Jesus was going to appear on the scene. But David did say something that was interesting. When He said, let's put it this way: he said there's only one thing he desired, and that was to dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

God called him a man after his own heart. In that, that was what David wanted. He wanted to be with the Lord. He'd certainly succumb to many temptations, lots of women. Murder, adultery.

deception. He was uh pretty bad in a lot of areas. and yet he wrote psalms in worship and adoration of God. And yet he said, I just want to be with him. He is a good example.

of the extremes of spirituality and depravity. He is the a great example. of the work of God Inside of a man. who's a filthy, vile sinner. And yet God's grace is greater than all of it.

Now, did he directly judge him for his polygamy? I don't know of any place in the Scripture that says so. But it certainly is the case. the consequences of his rebellion. in that area.

manifested in rebellious children. divisions and other things. The consequences of our sin follow us when we disobey God. And so they fell upon him. They fell upon his son Solomon.

who had so many wives, that he started listening to them. And let's just say in the New Testament Jesus says not even Solomon was as beautifully arrayed as these lilies of the valley or these blades of grass, I forget which one it is, but it's a backhanded kind of a comment about him. And so God Certainly. Let David abide in his sin. suffer the consequences of it.

and yet at the same time. redeems him. This is God's work in David. And us. We are all in that sense, David, in that we too have put someone in the front line to be destroyed.

we too have used deception. in order to hide our sin. we too have committed sins in our hearts. that are grievous, and yet the Lord loves us anyway.

So This is because Of the greatness of the blood of Christ and the deep great infinite love of God. that has flowed throughout history, into the hearts and the minds of people.

So that We experience the redemptive work. in spite of our great sins. And that's the same thing with David. and he was in the messianic line, called a man after God's own heart. and that goodness that was in his heart, That he desires to be with the Lord is itself a gracious movement of God upon him.

It should be a lesson to us of how great the love of God is. in spite of our sin and our rebellion. Yeah. is not thwarted by that. He's not threatened by it.

Yet he works through it. In spite of ourselves. for his glory and our redemption.

Okay. Yes, mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, I wonder at that time, the culture You know, when a person was uh found with someone that he didn't belong with, that they were stoned to death and uh held highly accountable. And I'm just wondering how could he have so many people Uh women Of that it He wasn't held accountable even by the people there.

That's true. It does sometimes happen like that.

Sometimes the sin is not dealt with here and then, right now.

So notice later. That that is the case. Yeah. Okay. Have you got another caller?

Or are you guys ready for room for another question? We have two callers waiting. How about if I put you on hold? I can do that if you want, get to them and then get back to you if you want. How's that?

Well, I'll tell you what, I'll just call back later at another time and let these other callers go. But I appreciate you. And I become reformed back in 19 seventy nine, seventy eight, seventy nine and I was listening to your program earlier and you know it's Um It's a journey. It's certainly a journey. when you switch from Arm Armenianism to a reform.

Yeah. It was quite an experience. It is. You lose a lot of friends sometimes. Yes, and which goes against what should happen is the love that we should have for one another, and yet division occurs.

Because people raise to themselves these little idols of their non-essential doctrines and they bow before them, and you can't be one of them. It's very unfortunate. It's a bad focus that we have in Christian churches for this.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, God bless you, Matt.

Continue on. We love you. Faith, man. Thanks. Appreciate it.

God bless.

Alright. All right, now, next longest waiting is Daniel from New York, and we have Ebenezer. Daniel, welcome. You're on the air. Well, I thank you so much, Brother Matt.

I must say that I was reviewing a very fascinating. Debate that you had with Tom Jump. atheist on the gospel truth YouTube channel, and it was just a brilliant exchange between you two, very cordial at that. But I started to think about This question of show me the evidence for God's existence, just show me one little scrap of evidence. I really thought about something.

I said, you know, I'd really love to ask Matt Slick about this. is let's think about this here for a second. The skeptic's brain requires chemistry. which requires atoms which require mass Mass requires a Higgs field. and the Higgs fuel requires the Planck scale.

That's 10 to the 43 seconds after the Big Bang.

Now here's the whole point. At that scale, there's no space. There's no time. There's nowhere, there's no when. What evidence can you provide?

that could make sense out of a spaceless timeless substratum of reality. What you're talking about is presuppositionalism here. It gets into the issue of what the atheists presuppose and where did it has it's a what you're talking about ultimately is the Kalam cosmological argument. What came out of into existence, that which pre-exists and things like that. Where does it come from?

Yeah. Okay. What I find to be amazing, though, is that, yes, what I find amazing is that the the slight deviation from that Logical proof to go towards God's existence is that the Planck scale is accepted by the atheist. The Planck scale is accepted as As a plausible origin story, but it is non- Material and non-temporal. Yes, but you're not going to be able to do it.

I've talked to atheists on this level before, talk to them about these kinds of things. And it's really not that productive. You have to work with what they want as evidence. When someone says to me, Show me the evidence for God, I say, What kind of evidence? There's different kinds: there's evidence of logic, evidence of mathematics, evidence of fossils, evidence of logical paradigms, evidence of Habit.

of preference. There's all kinds of levels of evidence. How do you prove, or how do I prove to you I love my wife? How do I prove it? What's the evidence?

Evidence is a manifestation inside of a paradigm. And so it's the paradigm that has to be examined.

So, with the atheists, you have to examine their ultimate paradigm, what justifies their paradigm. Of existence, materialism, philosophy, logic, and various things like this, and universals. And this is where it all comes apart for them. They can't really do that. Yes, yes.

And once again, Madam, that's brilliant. You're right. Evidence does exist within the context of a paradigm. I think the conclusion that I'm arriving at is If you accept the reality of the Planck's Scale, then no evidence can justify any paradigm. It all has to be presuppositional argumentation at that point.

Well, if I were to argue the issue of the Planck scale with an atheist, we're talking about a physical phenomenon.

Wellman asks what must be the case in order for that physical phenomenon to exist. They're going to have to go to a cis part of nature or the unknown. And then what they're going to be doing is arguing for genesis out of the unknowability. And then we can get into what's called an absurdum.

So, they don't have a coherent system by which they can justify, ultimately, justify anything. All right, gotta go, buddy. But appreciate talking to you.

Okay, all right.

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It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Ebenezer from California. Ebenezer.

Hey, Matt, can you hear me? Yeah, it sounds like you got a lightsaber in your hand.

Okay. I saver, huh? Yes, it's really bad.

So tell you what. Yes, it is. Why don't you call right back? Uh All right, no problem. It's like a lightsaber.

I did. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. You can also email me at info at CARM.org, info at carm.org. I look at the subject line, radio comment, or radio question. and get to it and um he called in and it just lost.

He'd call right back when he lost the connection. I'll just wait. We'll see what happens if he does that. Look into it. I got four monitors, so if you're ever looking at watching me do my show, I can look at one monitor, another monitor, another monitor, and another monitor.

And that's why my head goes up and down and around. I have different things.

Okay, let's get back on with Ebenezer.

Okay, buddy. That sounds much better. Yeah, sounds good. All right, cool, cool, cool. Hey, so Matt, I had a question.

Like, okay, like, do you? Because, like, how do you tell the difference, or not even tell, because you have these people, especially on TikTok, like, you know, that they say internal security is a lie. And then you have the Orthodox and Catholic view where they don't believe in. Uh, eternal solo, I mean, well, I guess you mean eternal security, or you know, how do you like, is it, is it, is it like what's your question? Uh, are both okay?

What's the difference? What's the difference between these two people? And then, and then, because you know, are they Armenians who don't throw a lot of stuff out very quickly?

So, uh, they're not Armenians, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are not Armenian. But they're they're false uh they're false churches. And the reason they're false is because their gospels are false, because their gospels are faith and works. And because it's faith and works, then they deny eternal security. But but the thing is but the thing is But the thing is, like, wouldn't wouldn't like s s someone who who believes that um Who doesn't believe that it looks like you're in the wind?

It's it's difficult.

So can you hear me?

Okay, go ahead. I'm gonna stop. Can you hear me? Yes, I hear you.

Okay. Um so so so I mean, 'cause they would word it like, oh, you you you gotta be obedient. You gotta endure to the end. That's taken out of Matthew 24, yes. It's a ripping out of the context.

Yeah. Yeah, but wouldn't that kind of be like a faith plus obedience situation, too? Yes.

They are saying, because they have false gospels. They teach. No, I'm talking about the I'm talking about the like the Arminian, I guess.

Okay. Like will will you consider them safe?

Okay, the Arminians who affirm that you can lose your salvation, that has to be handled with kit gloves because they believe. in the doctrine of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone. They can be very inconsistent on how they apply that. And so that's why I don't like to say all of them believe this or all of them are guilty of that.

So that we have to just have to look at each one. And see, do you affirm that you keep your salvation by how good you are? If they say, of course not. Do the Lutherans, for example, teach that you can lose your salvation, but it's difficult to do. You have to willingly, purposefully Leave.

and openly deny.

Now, I would just say, well, that's because they never were of you if you did that. 1 John 2:19.

So, this is not an easy. quick discussion. It's something that just takes a lot of different avenues, okay? May I Okay.

So so you wouldn't automatically 'cause like we 'cause it wouldn't be totally different 'cause they like they're literally telling people that, oh, you can lose your salvation.

So like wouldn't that be If they do, when people say you can lose your salvation, I say, what must you do to lose it? And then I'm going to ask. Yeah, the cute. You get a lot of feedback or something I don't know what's going on, but Isn't that anything that I had?

Okay, I'm just muting you because it can be pretty bad here. I don't know what's happening there. It might be that he's on a Or near an electrical something. But at any rate. Uh To now lost my train of thought.

So if back to, oh, I think I remember in the Arminian sense, if they tell me that they can lose their salvation. I'm going to ask them what do they do uh need to do to keep it. What must they do to keep it? And I'm going to listen. Because if they say, well, you just got to continue to believe.

I would say then, well.

Okay. Yeah. And I'm not going to say they're not saved. But if they say, well, you have to keep the law.

Well then we I get a tip, preach from the gospel.

Well, that's not what the Bible says. It just depends on what is being said and what their answers are. And even then, they can be ignorant about what. They're saying they might say, Well, you have to continue to believe, and say, Well, did you know that God grants you that belief? Like really?

They didn't know that.

Well, then, you have to continue to do what God granted you to do? And I try and get them to think so that they can abandon some of the mistakes that they might have, because their salvation doesn't depend on how accurate their theology is. Their theology is the result of regeneration and an environment of proper biblical teaching. They may not be in that proper biblical environment to get really good teaching, and they could still be saved.

So, this is a lot of it's a gray area, and this is why you've got to be very careful.

Okay, but you're back on. Yeah, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yeah, there's a lot of feedback. I apologize.

Yeah, that's probably why.

Okay, so did you hear me? Yeah, I heard everything.

So, okay, okay, yeah, okay.

So it's so it's it's it's a it's a situation where You know, you can't really. You can't really say that. You know, they're not saved, right? Or not, you obviously can't, but I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to understand, like. if you want to d use discernment, right?

I I'm not trying to Okay. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, you have to examine each individual's doctrine to see if they're just openly denying the truth or just ignorantly asserting something they haven't really thought through. There's a difference, okay? All right.

Okay. All right. So, what about y you know, y y you said Lutheranism. Um, so like, um, you did they affirm baptismal regeneration, right?

So, will will you consider them to be saved?

Okay. There's a yes and a no to that. I went to a Lutheran college, and this was a discussion that I had. I'm going to mute you again because.

Okay, there we go. Woo! It was a discussion that I had on more than one occasion, and it was difficult to nail this down. because they were so covenantally minded with the covenant sign, I thought was unusually thick. That within that, they could then say you're saved by the covenantal thing, but they didn't say it was a work.

And it was difficult to. To really ascertain what the position was.

Now, this is back in the 90s. I graduated from seminary in 91 and from Lutheran College in like 87 or 88. I forgot which year. I think it was 88. Yeah, 88.

And so now that I've learned a lot more since then. If I were there, I would ask different questions and get down to the bottom of it. But I have talked to Lutherans who are pretty well educated in their own theology. I've talked to them within the past. Several months.

And The impression that I've gotten from them is that, yeah, you can lose your salvation, but it's difficult to do, and you have to really work at it.

Now, as far as baptism goes, they will say, yes, it can regenerate you, it can save you.

Now the reason That it can. That's the issue. Because are they then saying that it is because of the ceremony or because of the faith associated? And Then they get into the issues of parental representation. And it just it just complicated.

It's not easy to just get into at one easy discussion.

Okay, Ebenezer? Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Yeah, exactly.

I had to mute you again. Ebenezer, look, I'm gonna just drop you here in a sec. But the background oh, okay. The background background noise was so bad that it was difficult to have that conversation. All right, let's move along.

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Well, there's that. All right, now. I'm going to be uh I'm still thinking about doing some other stuff. And oh man, too bad we didn't have a keys. The producer gets in, but we're only going to have one minute in the show, so we can't do that.

Keith had a question. We always do a a sound check before the show. I just call up, make sure this connection's working. And I go, sound check, you there? He goes, yeah, good, okay, good, talk to you later.

It's just that request, it takes five seconds. And we talked a little bit. And hopefully he'll get on. We can talk about what the questions he had before that.

So we've got about 30 seconds now.

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