Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

Now, I just give you a heads up. I've had a little bit of a tech issue here the past minute with my stuff, so if something goes out. That's why I had to reboot. I had to do a couple things with the Comrex.

So, just give it a heads up, and also, Keith. Keith, he produces the show, you know, behind the scenes. He's the guy you talk to when you call in. and uh we always do a sound check, couldn't get to it because it couldn't get the system to connect. Yeah.

And literally connected five seconds before I had to be on the air. Hey, if you want to give me a call, it's easy. All you have to do is dial 8772. 072276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call, and we will get to you. All right, so be good. And all right, there we go. Whew.

So I'm working on articles and um A little bit here. I've been working actually around the house. You know, my wife wa my wife passed away last year and uh late last year and You know, it really leaves a hole in a lot of ways. And one of the things that's interesting is how much you decide to clean, at least with me. And wow, I have been cleaning and constantly working.

And a friend of mine came up. From California. We have been for two weeks now just doing a lot of work around the house and. doing yard work and just doing things. And it's fun to work with someone uh you know you've known for so long and And two extra hands are better than just one, you know, it makes work a lot better.

So we're having a good time, and that's why I've not been on writing as much. That's why I've not been doing social media as much the past couple of weeks, is because of that. I've done a little bit there, but not a whole much. And so there you go. If you've been wondering, now if you want to give me a call, the number.

Is 8772-072276. You can also email me. That's easy. Just dial an e- I mean, send an email to info at carm.org. Info at carm dot org Yeah.

And uh We can get to it, stuff like that.

So, we have nobody waiting right now. I'm hoping. Um It was a guy really. I'm reading the note. Interesting.

Okay. Got your note there, Keith. Thanks. That is weird. Weird.

Uh that's interesting. I p It's an IP thing.

Alright, so. Let's get to some of the emails. Hey, Matt, do you think the rapture is happening soon? People are saying it's tomorrow, even though I thought Jesus says no one knows the day. No, I don't think it's happening soon as in weeks or months.

I think it's years away. And I know that a lot of people affirm what's called pre-tribulation rapture. I don't. I believe we are going to go through the tribulation. I believe it's going to be bad.

I believe it's going to be difficult. And I get that out of Matthew twenty-four, Matthew thirteen. And some other stuff. You guys can call me up and I can go through it again. I've done it many times over the years on the radio, and why I hold it that.

I see no Uh no support. Or I should say I could say no. I'm going to say I see very little support for the idea of pre-tribulation rapture. And when I say little, I mean that there are verses that people can use. For the pre-tribulation rapture idea, it certainly is possible to use certain verses.

Which I think within the logical framework of possibility, they can lend themselves to some of those.

However, I think that there's some very clear verses And the Bible that talks about stuff that we could get into some other time. I like teaching on it because I get a room full of people when I used to teach at a church. Hey. a few years ago here. And they asked me to do eschatology one day, and so I started doing it, you know, and they were really intrigued.

And I show stuff. that most people don't know about. in eschatological studies. This age, the age to come. and a grid matching events.

And it's not like a gimmicky thing. And it's just, look at this, it's what it says. And I remember one time. It's in this church basement downstairs area. And there were two chalkboards right next to each other with a divider in the middle, a metal divider in the middle, two chalkboards.

It was really perfect. And on the left, a chalkboard. I put this age in the right chalkboard, I put the age to come. Because that's the eschatological signification that Paul the Apostle uses and Jesus uses. And I show the verses.

That's what I did. I showed them first. I said, look at these verses. You agree? There's two ages.

And everybody agrees. Yes, there is.

Okay, good. This age, the age to come. and then went through and just started reading. Reading scriptures. I have a list of things that we turn to.

Look at this, look at that, look at these. What happens here? What happens there? And each time I've done this, like four or five times. Each time I've done it, I've let the people tell me which side an event goes on, this age or the age to come.

And I gave him a little hint. And I would say, let's keep it towards the middle. um as a thought exercise that it is the end of the age. that right to towards the middle of that um That divider is the end of the age, of this present age, when they go, that makes sense. We did that.

Hey Keith, are we having uh phone problems again? Just let me type it out if we are not. Because I see people calling in and then they're dropping, so I don't know what's going on. Might be that they're just dropping, or might be we're having a phone issue because we had a little disconnected thing with the Com Rex.

So, anyway, what I did with this study, I've done it several times like this, and shown people. And we've gone through it. Here are the verses. Anyone else have anything else? Any other verses they want to add?

Any other verses they think are relevant? And we go and we say, where would it go? this age or the age to come. And each time we've done it, the result has been very intriguing, and the people. Ever I've told me.

Almost 100% of them. Maybe 80%, I'd say, just said, man, this is really interesting. We've never heard a lot of this. And I say, yeah, that's right. In a lot of churches, you don't hear these kinds of things, do you?

Because it's always taught either pre-tribulation rapture is the right way, or whatever it is. And. Anyway, they get their head scratching. And I say, How many are converted right now? And I'm smiling when I ask it.

And the hands don't go up because I say, Good. You know, you should check this out. Don't just believe me because I present this once. There's always other sides. Check both sides and you'll be convinced in your own mind of what you need to do.

That's what a child would do in Tenda.

So good stuff. But I like talking about eschatology. I think it's fun. I do. Hey, let's get to Jermaine from California.

Jermaine, brother, welcome. You're on the air.

Okay. Hey, Matt.

Okay, but I'm not sure. Yeah, so I had a question that came up from a discussion with a family member. Uh they're they're predispensational types and You know, we have these interesting Disagreements, but we still love each other. One thing that came up about Old Testament rules against eating blood. or consuming blood.

And I know a lot of the Old Testament laws were not necessarily written. to us, so we're not necessarily bound by those. But I don't really want to sit down and have a cup of blood or anything.

However, Yep. this well, this family member Said that she believed God recommended Instructed not to consume blood because he knew that people who did that were consuming. the soul of that dead animal. No. Yeah.

try to, you know, kind of hold my content for such a statement. And I didn't want to get into an argument over it because this person is quite older than I am, and I wanted to show respect. I always ask those people when they say things like that, is there any biblical proof to prove that, and I wanted to hear what you have to say about it. Sure.

So what we're looking at here is Leviticus 17, 14, initially, okay? And in Leviticus 17, 14, it says, We are not to participate uh in eating blood. Uh Well now the interesting thing is The interesting thing is, what is meant by the phrase, the life is in the fl The life of all flesh is its blood.

So what is going on? Blood, you can have a transfusion, for example. Does that mean the life, the soul, is transfused from somebody else?

Now, because if you have the life is in the blood, the soul is in the blood, and someone gets in a car accident, you do a transfusion from somebody else. Oh, I'm sorry, his soul is now in you. It doesn't work like that.

So, what it probably means is life, they understood the meaning of the life force as represented by the blood. the seat and the symbol. Of what that life force is. Because if someone bled out, they died. And so it would make sense to say it's just a representation.

I think it's not a metaphor, it's a. There's a represent it's a word for it when one thing represents the whole. And uh I forgot what that is, but anyway. I think that's what it is.

So even though it doesn't tell us what it is, I think that's what it is. And uh Okay, so that's that's one part. Are you with me so far?

Well, you know what? Actually, that kind of answers both sides of that. I mean, this person. would go so far as to even sit next to a person who has a rare steak. because they believe that they might be consuming a part of an animal soul and become more animalistic and This person's supposed to be a teacher in their particular community, and I just.

I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, I'm just generally perplexed. And so we're where they're drawing these conclusions because they just don't make any sense. And I I just think you have to be careful when You say God did this because of that, and there's no elaboration on it in scripture. Right.

Well you see, it says nephesh is what the Hebrew word is, soul. For the soul of all flesh is its blood. That's Leviticus 17:14. That's probably where he's getting it. Or the life is in the blood, the soul is there.

So I found the word, it's a synecdoe. Where one thing is used to represent the whole. Like, man, you got a good set of wheels there, man. And you're talking about a guy's car. And so a synecdoe does that.

It's representative of the one part, it represents the whole.

So I think that's what's going on here. The blood is representative of the life, and it's the synecity that is being used. That's what I suspect it is. as part of one thing.

Okay. Now another thing is we go to Yeah. I guess that that makes more sense than what I was hearing.

So Hello. I like my steaks medium. medium well.

Sometimes it's a little red. I I don't believe I'm consuming cow soul.

So Right. You're not. You can't get out of that at all. Like hamburger, you're always going to have a little bit of blood in it. That's just what it is.

So also what's interesting is in the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15. They wrote a letter and the council did. write this is verse twenty, but that we write to them By the Gentiles, that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, and from fornication, and from what is strangled, and from blood. And then in verse 29, that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood. And from the thing strangled and from fornication.

So, two places in the New Testament in the Council of Jerusalem, which is a really interesting council. The recommendation is of staining from blood there as well.

So Okay. Interesting.

Okay, that makes more sense than what I've heard.

So, thank you, man. Appreciate it as usual. All right, but I'll be asking.

Okay. Well, you know what I would have to follow, though, would there be a prohibition? in the in the New Testament for believers who It ought to They're not consuming souls or they just bite like something a little rare. I personally don't find it appetizing, but is there really a prohibition against it? No.

My wife liked rare steak. She liked it rare. Where it's still mooing. And I'm like, no, honey. And.

But that's how she liked it, you know, and it was no problem. I was aware of all these concepts and and everything. I didn't think anything of it. And she was a wonderful soul, if you know what I mean. All right?

Yes.

Okay. All right.

Well, thank you back. All right.

God bless. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, it's easy: 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines, 877-2072276. I think what I'm going to do now is get to some more of the emails. If you want to.

Listen to this interesting one. In fact, I had not heard of this before, so during the break, I did some quick research. I have a lot of ways of being able to do quick research summations and things like that. And uh So th well this email says, Hey Mr. Slick, I hope all is well with you.

Your topic uh this topic got brought up by a skeptic regarding a Japanese tradition in Shingo, Japan. The real tomb of Jesus is found there.

So I went, that's interesting.

So I did some research and.

Okay. At first, I thought, how ridiculous! I mean, are you serious? Because in order for Jesus to have gotten to Japan, You have to travel from Palestine to northern Japan. How's he going to do that?

You'd have to travel east Or take a boat for the Mediterranean down. Through Africa, around the tip of Africa, up past, oh man, India, you know, between. you know, just north of Australia, go up the coast. and to Japan. Do you have to walk or ride an animal all the way to the Korean Peninsula, I would assume, and then take a boat over to Japan?

Now What What reason would that be? go clear over to Japan and die there. And this is a really interesting Uh The theory, which of course has no claim, it has no warrant to it. Yeah. Paul the Apostle, who was there, was an eyewitness of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 15, talks about Jesus being crucified, risen, and dead.

And so this would then mean The uh the Shingo Japan theory. Wow, people believe anything. It would mean then that um Paul was wrong. Even though he he you know Saw the risen Lord. And not to mention the geographical problem.

And then, what about the testimony of the apostles? who wrote what they did about seeing Jesus crucified. It contradicts clearly. the eyewitness accounts. And as well as some of the early writers, historical writers, Tacitus and things like that.

And so It turns out that this claim is only about 100 or so years old. And uh So I'm going to read what I found, okay? He did not die on the cross in Jerusalem, instead a substitute His brother Isukiri. I can't help smiling. You know, I love heresies.

I mean, I just got a kick out of them. It's like someone told me once there's a reptilian race of aliens interbreeding with Nazis in underground caves in the Antarctica. And when they get enough people, they're going to get enough half-breeds are going to take over the world. And I'm just smiling. I love that kind of stuff.

And that is so good. It's an awesome theory. I love that. It's just so whacked, it's good.

So, here Jesus suddenly has a brother named. security. Which doesn't sound Greek. Certainly doesn't. Not a Hebrew name.

And who died in his place. And this is kind of like it reminds me of the Quran in Surah 4:157, where it says that it only made to appear to have died. and someone was uh substituted i in place of Christ. In the Quran, it says that in Surah 4. 157.

And so Jesus, he escaped, and according to this, he went along the Silk Road to Siberia. and then took a boat over there uh to Japan and settled in Harai, I love this, this is awesome. He became a rice farmer. and he married a Japanese woman named Miyoko, and he fathered three daughters and died at the age of 106. His grave is in Shingo along with the uh uh a separate mound that uh honours the br what?

said to contain his brother's severed ear? and a lock of the Virgin Mary's hair. You don't You know, it it just reminds me. Um I would never do this. But I bet you I get a bunch of guys and gals together, and we say, Look, we're going to start a religion.

What I want you to do is to make up things. You know, she just went to Japan. Or, you know, whatever it is, you know, Jesus was not crucified, or he's crucified twice, or you know, he was actually a Russian immigrant, you know, whatever it is. And you put all these ideas around just give them five minutes to think of just ridiculous things. And then cut them in strips and put them into a container, mix them all up, and pull one out at a time.

and then arrange them logically-ish. and then create a theology based on what we've done. Then develop a website on it, make you know, you could use. all kinds of bad logic to make things work. and just propose it.

And people will buy it. People buy into it. There are people who actually do it. I remember once I came in contact online, this is a true story. True story, Apostle Eric.

And I've written about this guy on my website. He was the apostle to the North American continent. And I heard him in a chat room once. I was like, I'm going to listen to this guy. I'm not going to say anything, he's going to listen.

because he's getting converts. He was in line, something doing in heaven. They needed a volunteer to be the apostle to the North American continent in the preexistence. And he says, sure, he volunteered.

So he was born, and he's now the apostle of the North American continent. Yeah. And uh he was very good at explaining things. and he was likable, and he was just slowly working through this, answering questions. And he tried to make prophecies, I think it was, I'm not sure, I think so, and some other stuff, and people were buying into it.

and he actually got a congregation together. have people who are He either had a congregation or he almost had one. I'm trying to remember which one. Just because it's been 10 years I wrote on this. Yeah.

And so, what I did was, I wrote a whole bunch of information. I wrote articles about this guy and quotes, and did all this stuff. Apostle Eric. I I wonder if they have it on the It should be on the site. We move the site over.

So let me try this. Let's see. Go here. And uh Apostle Eric. And yeah.

Post-dealings with the Apostle Eric, yeah, that's right, how to have perfect faith. That was it. And uh 30 attack points 30 tech points, 30 tech points. Why write about and uh his name anyway?

So The reason I did this is because I could see that people were starting to buy into it. And I thought, okay. I'm going to see if I can stop it before it gets going. And I I wrote a bunch of articles. I did.

How to have perfect fades. I wonder if I could find how many articles I wrote.

Sorry, I'm reminiscing kind of a thing. Let's see, H.

Okay, on the menu, how it had perfect faith, and here it is. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven articles I wrote. Why write about this guy had a pretty big And uh So, yeah. Emails and some other stuff while Ryan is rambling. It effectively stopped the growth of his group because I found out.

where people were and stuff, and I sent them information. and refuted and he had to change his name or change the ministry name and go underground for a while because it effectively stopped what he was doing. Interesting stuff, huh? Hey, it's the bottom of the hour. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2002.

2276, the right pack. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour.

I want to hear from you give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to some of the... Uh emails are coming in. Can God look on sin? I've heard from a pastor that God is not able to even look upon a baby because of sin.

Yeah. Um Wow. You know, I wish I could sit with some pastors and just let's go over some things. Let's go over some theology. Let's go over some stuff.

And And not condemn them, not mock them, nothing like that. but just encourage them to to look at Scripture a little bit more deeply and a little more comprehensively. And To say that this one pastor said God can't even look upon a baby because of its sin. Yeah. What does it mean by look upon?

Does God not know the baby's there? Does God not look at a child like that? What do you mean by it? Is he so disgusted with this baby that he can't? Even consider it?

What? What is meant by it? What does the pastor intend it to mean? This is what it we need to discuss. And Can God look upon babies?

Of course it can. What did Jesus do? He says, Let the children come to him. He favoured the little ones.

Now, we're not saying that babies are innocent because they have original sin, they have fallen natures. But to say that God can't even look upon a baby because of sin is just Just not well thought out, not well phrased. Of course God could look upon them. And he can save them. He did, you know, Psalm 22:9, you did make me believe while at my mother's breast.

This is the kind of thing that saddens me when I hear this kind of stuff in. From pastors. And, folks, look, I'm not the greatest pastor. I'm not the guy who knows how to have all the answers. Not like that, but I'm just saying, man.

You know, and I would I would be happy to to be the ear to a lot of pastors in theology. Because I've been doing this for a long time, and I've had to tackle things from all kinds of different angles. Pastors don't get that opportunity to do that because they're doing pastoring work, prepping sermons, and doing counseling, and working with the elders and other people and stuff. And that's fine, that's what they're called to do, and they're good at it. Most of them are really good at it.

And praise God for them. But if they're just theologically not sure about something, want to bounce something off of somebody, I'd be a willing ear for that. I'm not saying I have all the right answers, but at least I'd be someone to say, well, yeah, that makes sense. It's a good question. And let me research and get back to you.

Or things like that. And just to run some ideas around, you know, I'm not a pastor of pastors, I'm not claiming that, but at least I'm theologically astute in a lot of areas because I've been doing this for so long. And this kind of a thing that God can't look upon babies because they have sin is a kind of a mixture between the issue of original sin and God's, you know, Habakkuk. What is it? I was reverse in the back of my head: His eyes are too pure to look upon evil.

And You know, it could be a mixture of these that are just not quite applied logically and precisely. And sometimes, of course, pastors, and I've certainly done it, we say things just too quickly, and I shouldn't have said it that way. It didn't come out right. And that that happens. We do that.

All right, having said that, let's get to this. Hi, Matt. Hope you're well. There's a church that's down the street from me. Which I'm not familiar with.

I went to, however, last Sunday, found a photo of Jesus, a photo of Jesus, along with other gods. around their sanctuary. Oh. This is why. is called unity, okay.

Unity School of Christianity. Basically, he says unity. Yeah, it's uh it's a mind science cult. Unity School of Tr uh I think it's j by Ch uh Charles Fillmore, I think is when he started that. And uh In Kansas in the 1800s.

Basically, what the mind sciences are is the idea that God is a principle, an idea. That is that you get in touch with. He's out there. Consider him as the universal mind. He's not personal.

In the mind sciences, God is not a personal being you can talk to, He's more of a presence, a kind of a divine energy, a principle. And that Jesus is simply a manifestation of what's called the Christ consciousness. Dang. And the Christ consciousness state is something that anybody can attain to, even the members of our churches. These so-called unity churches that could do that.

So it's a divine principle. And usually, it's kind of a New Age variation. It came before officially the New Age movement, but the idea that anybody can access the divine mind or the Christ consciousness and therefore elevate themselves in their consciousness so that they are, in a sense, divine.

Now, one of the things about the mind sciences is that sickness and illness problems are it's the inappropriate Knowledge or the inappropriate thinking about what is real. Because in the mind sciences, reality is not what you see, reality is behind what you see in the spiritual realm. And so, the way to correct things in the spiritual, in the physical world, is to correct them in the spiritual world. or in that mind science Idea of a personal presence, that's impersonal presence, excuse me, that's out there, this principle.

So you get in tune with it, you study it, you think properly. And when you think properly, then it starts manifesting in the physical realm. This is mind-science stuff. And this is a lot of what the positive confession movement is. It's really bad as well.

So Jesus' death on the cross was uh a metaphor, if it was uh even uh real. And There's a lot of allegory, a lot of spiritualization effect.

Now, I had this memorized from so many years ago. This is Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, page 25, line 8. and this is not unity, but it's a similar kind of a thing. uh because they're all in the mind science cult uh bracket. And in that book, Saturn Health, page 25, line 8, the material blood of Jesus was no more efficacious to cleanse from sin when it was shed upon the accursed tree than when it was fl uh flowing than when Jesus went around daily when it was flowing through his veins as Jesus went around daily performing the Father's work.

So That's not exactly a quote, it's been a long time, it's like 40 years. But that's the basic it. It was no more efficacious to cleanse from sin. Remember that? That's exactly what it says.

When it was in his body, as you're walking around, than when it was shut on the cross. That's it.

So it denies the efficacious atoning sacrifice. And this is what the mind science stuff does, and Charles Taze Fillmore and his wife formed it in the 1880s. And it is a non-Christian cult.

So he says they're called Unity, saying they're more of a spiritual church without dogma. What can you tell me about them? That's what it is. I don't know if I've written on that on Carmen or not. I need to.

Do an expose if I haven't. All right.

Man, oh man, man, there's so much heresy. It's a little time.

So let's get into this one. Hey, appears to be a typo following.

Okay. Uh And uh other fixed that is a typo.

Okay, let's mark that one, let's go. Thank you for letting let in about typos. We appreciate that. I've heard you speak adamantly regarding predestination for a time For some time, and I'm almost on board with your views, but does it say anywhere in the Bible that? The only people to be saved have been chosen.

It doesn't say only the chosen ones are saved. The word only is not there. What we do find in Scripture, it says he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. Or 2 Thessalonians 2:13, He chose us from the beginning for salvation.

So, what it does say is that the chosen ones are the ones who receive salvation, but logic doesn't necessitate it as only them.

Now, the implication is that it is. And one of the reasons is because of John 6:65, where Jesus says. You cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father.

Now, think about this. You cannot come to Christ unless it's granted to you by the Father. That's what Jesus says in John 6:65. Go check it out. John 6, 65, okay?

Just go 666, back one verse.

So John 6:65, okay? And You can't come to me unless it's granted by the Father.

Well, who's God going to grant this coming to? The ones he chooses to.

So it's like saying Uh he chose us. From the foundation of the world to be saved. And then he grants to them. Because Jesus says you can't come unless it's granted by the Father.

So only the granted ones can be saved. It would make sense to say the chosen and the granted ones are one and the same. Also, you can go to Romans 8:29, which says, Those of me foreknew, he also predestined. Those of you fore knew he also predestined under the same group. The four known ones are the predestined ones.

So there you go.

Now it says, I'm wondering why can't a person choose to be saved and at that time have salvation granted by the Father?

Well, it is. See, this gets into what's called temporal versus. logical priority. And basically, regeneration is what God does to you, and He allows you when He does that. He causes you to be born again, 1 Peter 1:3, and in that, he then grants that you have faith, Philippians 1:29, and you do the believing.

Don't know how it all works, but that's what the scriptures teach. All right, there's another break. If you want to call me, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Okay, everyone, welcome back to the show. As usual, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. I get to Paul from North Carolina. Welcome, you're on the air.

Oh, yes, how are you doing, Matt? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? Good, good, good.

Yes, I have a question concerning Genesis 3:15, which talks about the seed of the woman. Yes.

And I just need to know how to reconcile that in my mind uh especially trying to explain it to others uh because the we generally talk about seed uh as coming from a man.

So how can you have uh The seed of the woman. It's just a metaphor for her descendants: that out of her will come the Messiah. It's all it is. It's the seed of the serpent. You can go to Let me see, John 844.

Let's see. You have your father, the devil, and you want the desires of the father. It's murder from the beginning.

So here Jesus is saying that these Pharisees, the false teachers, your father is the devil.

So it's a metaphor, it's a little over little father? Of course not. And so the Bible uses metaphor Figures of speech, the seed of the woman is a very interesting prophetic thing. The seed of the woman comes through the biological line of Mary.

Now, here's another point. There was a curse Okay, let me put it back up even one step further. There's a genealogy in Luke and a genealogy in Matthew. One is for Mary, one is for Joseph. And I've written an article on it.

You can go there and look it up. And you'll see that they they converge back around the time of David. and that there's a separation and it goes down two different lines. There's a curse on the the father's line. that no descendant will be able to sit on the throne of David.

And the curse of Jeconiah. Jecaniah's. I'm going way back from memory here from years ago. And so that would be a problem because then How could Jesus sit on the throne? because he be descendant of David through the father's line.

Mary is the uh it's another line.

Well, it turns out that the seed of the father's line was not transferred down to to Jesus. because she was uh it was a virgin birth. But the biological line demonstrating the descendancy, according to prophecy, is through Mary.

So, when we look at this, that is not by the father's seed. but by the work of God in regenerating, or not regenerating, in activating the pregnancy of Mary. that that's why the clue is there to see the woman. Not the man, because he's not the biological father of the Messiah. But she is.

The biological father a mother of the Messiah, and the word seed is in reference to Christ.

Okay. That makes sense? Yeah. So it's it's a theological statement. It's a theological, it's linguistically very unusual.

and it points to the virgin birth.

So let me go over together, all right? Genesis 3.15. I will put it in the middle of the morning.

Okay. I will put enmity, that's a strong hatred. between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed.

Well, wait a minute. Does does uh the serpent have seed? We all do eggs, they do, you know, whatever. How literally we, and her seed is talking about the descendancy. Your seed and her seed.

I'll put enemy between them. If it's literal seed, the spermatozoa are angry at each other? It doesn't make any sense. It's better for okay?

So between oh man my Chair, just got all sorts of squeaky. And between your seed and her seed, the descendants of you, the descendants of her. He shall bruise you on the head And you shall bruise him on the heel. He is. is the one who bruises you on the head.

He shall bruise you. This is the work of the Messiah. Bruising the head Thwarting the work of Satan. and yet you shall bruise him on the heel.

So he's going to be Uh both are gonna are gonna receive The seed of the serpent and the person of Christ are going to receive wounds. Christ, this is very generic, was wounded to the point of death. and the bruise on the head of the the of authority leadership of the demonic realm. Is undone by Christ.

So this is a prophetic it's called a proto-angalia. the first mention of the of the gospel. And it's in a very deep code. Your seed, her seed. He shall bruise you on the head, you shall bruise him on the heel.

To the woman he said, Multiply your childbirth pain, etcetera. That what's going on.

Okay. So you're saying that then it it's better to read that. Statement as instead of C to substitute the word a descendant. Yes, it's a metaphor for For the descendants. Between your seed and could take it literally.

Your seed. for Matozoa. And hers, which doesn't make any sense. We're gonna fight each other. There'd be enmity between you two.

It doesn't make sense to take it super literally.

So it's just not what's going on.

So the word seed is representative of those who descend out of you. Your your descendants, your seed, and her seed. It's unusual linguistically. Why doesn't it just say between your descendants and her descendants? Or if it would say, your descendants and her descendant.

'Cause if it was singular.

So there's there's just a lot there to to unpack in here. And in the Greek, in Greek, in the Hebrew, the word seed, when it says her seed, is the singular. And so is it also in your seed. and her seat.

So it says he shall bruise you on the head. And this deals with the issue of The tr um The work of the crucifixion. Thwarting the work of Satan, and yet Christ was the one who was injured.

Now again, remember. that the messianic line was prophesied And there's two lines that come down where Joseph is the legal line through one. lineage. and Mary is the biological line through another lineage.

So the legality that's following down the line through Joseph is Joseph adopted and named him. Then that would mean then that he accepted Jesus, and therefore Jesus would retain the. legal rights in his family. But the curse of Jeconiah and Jeconiah's descendants stops there. It doesn't affect Jesus because it's a biological descendancy.

Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus, he's the legal father. Father, he's the adoptive father. And so Mary is the biological mother, and so we have the completion of the prophecy through the biological line. of Mary as well. And so That's what's going on.

Okay. For the sake of a clarification, uh you know, along the on the same line of uh reasoning. Yeah. If someone said that the seed of the woman If they interpret it as being uh as prod the seed of the woman was produced by the Holy Spirit, so it's the Holy Spirit's seed. Would that be uh sacrilegious or or just just erroneous or what?

The seat of the woman is just a metaphor. It just means Jesus. Mm.

Okay, okay. Yeah, so he'll be on the head. I certainly appreciate that.

Okay, he says he'll bruise you on the head, all right.

So a head wound is usually fatal.

So it symbolizes the crushing of the authority and the power of the devil. But by Jesus. And yet Oh. The The wound of Christ, suffering to death, and yet his resurrection.

So this is what's going on. It's a lot here in Genesis 3.15, okay?

Alright, I hope that helps.

Okay. You certainly have. I certainly appreciate that.

All right, brother. God bless. Okay. Okay. Ooh, hey, I wonder what this guy wants to talk about.

Okay, can't How you doing? Hey, Mike, you got the wrong this time. This is Brent. Brent Brent and Kim. This is Brent today.

Oh, my bad. How are you doing today, Mr. Mac? I'm okay. I'm hanging in there.

I'm hanging in there. What do you got, man? This show is going to be called the Mac. Brent and Kent Show. Oh, brother of Kent, gotcha.

All right, so Kent called yesterday. You're calling today, right? Yes, sir, I am. Oh, doctor, what I can I ask you one question. What val well, what couple of questions?

What validates or substantiates you? Do you have a what's your educational level? I have a social science degree, a bachelor's, from A Lutheran university, and then I have a Master's of Divinity from Westminster Theological Seminary in Escobito, California.

Okay. Yes, sir.

Okay, very good. I like that.

So, can I answer a question? You have a school, and I assume you have a lot of schooling with you. One question. In your Bibles, let me ask you one question. Lord and God.

Are those titles All their names. Lord has different meanings in the Old Testament. Lord can be a substitution of Yahweh. Which is the name of God, but it could also be just a lower-level. word, not a substituted of Yahweh.

So it depends on which verse you're talking about. No, no, I'm just asking a question in general. Lord and God are their names or titles.

Well, it depends. If, like I said, if it's all caps L-O-R-D, it's the name of God, the name of Elohim. Yeah. We just discussed you've been to college, right? You've been to Today by English?

Yes, I did. I took English. Yes, I did. Yeah. Okay, Lord and God, sir, are not names.

That'll be just like if I asked you, what's your name? And you said my name is Matt Slick, which you don't understand. I mean what? In the Bible. I don't understand.

Yeah, you don't understand. In the Bible, capital L, capital O, capital R, capital D. is the translation of the word Yahweh. Capital L small O small R small D usually is the translation of the word the Hebrew word adonai. For different words.

Proverbs 18:10 says, In the name of the Lord. It's a strong tower. The righteous runners into it. Heard that Wouldn't be effective to anyone that believes one they're running into a title. It'd be just like if you cash your check, you go to the bank.

and say I'm gonna cash my check and you endorse your check with Man. Is does that validate that check or not? I'm sure I'm following the I'm just saying, but if you look back at Proverbs 18:10, it says the name of Yahweh. It says in the Hebrews, y'all are going to be able to do it. In your version, no, sir, it doesn't say that.

And the Kingston's version. Yes, it the Hebrew, the Hebrew text. Thank you. Thank you, but in your version, the census book, that's what you believe, correct? King James version.

That's what you study out of it, right? No, I started at the New American Standard. But it's. I'm just telling the Hebrew is the word Yahweh, Yohe Vavhe. Thank you.

Thank you. Oh man, we're out of time. Thank you, sir. Maybe the music starts.

Okay, that's right. Look, you have to call back tomorrow. It's a hard break. We can't go.

So call back tomorrow. We'll talk about it, okay? All right.

Alright. Hey, Boche will talk to you guys. I look confused there. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow by God's grace.

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