Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. I hope you didn't miss me too much. And listen to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, as usual, all you got to do is dial 877.

Two zero. 72276. If I'm a little out of breath or sound like I am, it's because I am.

So I got a friend here and uh When he's here, we work.

So we're those kind of guys who goes, Oh, what do you want to do? And I said, I don't know.

Next thing you know, we're rearranging the house and moving it three feet to the north, you know, that kind of thing.

So we're just doing a lot of work and out there digging. You know, I'm 69. I've discovered something recently. My body also is 69. I kind of noticed that.

And uh Yeah, maybe some of you are my age. You get the idea of what that is. And then, boy, it it's just it is surprisingly pleasant when you sit. Man, it's like, oh, yeah, that's right.

So that's me.

So, anyway, so I'm a little out of breath. Hey, today's date is March 9th, 2026, for the podcasters. We have nobody waiting. If you want, you can give me a call. It's easy.

The number is 877-207. two two seven six. Mm-hmm.

Okay, now, oh, you can also email me, that's right. You can email me at info. At CARM.org, info at carm.org, put in the subject line, we're to comment. Radio question. And uh Uh ooh, okay, ooh, there we go.

Oh, alright. Just reading some emails.

Someone's coming in and want to know a good church to go to around here, stuff like that.

So, uh,.

So Friday night, Friday night, I got into what I think is a very interesting discussion. with uh some Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. And It's not very often that I get a good challenge. You know, not lately, it doesn't happen that much anymore because I've heard so many things, but notice so much. Part.

Something interesting happened. I'll tell you about it. Um I call it the Mormo Mormonism. Mormo EO or Mormo Catholic Alliance.

Now, what's really interesting I go into something called Discord, and Discord is a chat system. A little complicated and irritating to use, but once you get used to it, it's not a problem. And I've been in there for years, and so I'm known basically in any channel I go into. uh you know, religious channel, they know who I am and so I'll go in there and and usually we have good good conversations.

Sometimes people just fire questions at me and uh Other times oh man, this is what's really interesting. They just want me to be defeated. Yeah. And So there's this one room called Calvinism. Yes.

Guess who likes to go to the Calvinism room? Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Mormons. And um To me, it's like flies being drawn to the light. You know, they get us, they're just, they just buzz around it and they want to destroy it. Anyway, so.

There's this Mormon guy. And he's not dumb. But he's got some good guys in there, in a sense of being intelligent. There's some guys who are not very good, argumentatively speaking. They don't have good arguments.

But this guy has good arguments, and he's intelligent. You can tell, of course, he's a Mormon.

So there's authority. He's got one frontal lobe tied behind his back, just from that alone. And then we have the Catholics, and we have the East Orthodox.

Now See, this is like a pulse of what's happening out there on the internet because I'm an internet missionary. And so I've noticed over the years That the EO and RC, Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics. trying to sound more Christian. And trying to speak in Protestant-type terms while keeping their theology. The Mormons are doing the same thing.

I have also noticed on TikTok and Instagram and Facebook. at Mormons and Catholics in particular. an EO in the third place. are more active trying to talk about how great their churches are. And so I'll go in and I make comments.

I've been here thousands and thousands a day. I can't keep up with them, of course. And I'll just make comments here and there to move along. But uh So, discord is a place where they kind of come together.

Now, their soteriology is the same. Mormons, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, soteriology is a doctrine of salvation.

So They all three are teaching the same thing. That you have to have faith in God, because the Mormons have a completely false God. At least the EO and the RC believe in the true God and true Christ.

Okay, but aside from that, They all teach the same thing: that you have to have faith. It and works. Faith and works is what saves you. And I battle against that all the time.

Well, one of the discussions we've been having, in addition to that, is the issue of Mary. And so The Mormo dude. Ask me what's the logical inference that Mary cannot hear millions of prayers. simultaneously spoken in thought. And Because I had this thing.

I say, you know, Mary, in order for her to intercede, you know, pray to Mary, she's got to be able to hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken in thought. Know the intentions of the hearts, and all this stuff. It's just insane. And so They'll say things like, Well, why can't God do that to someone? And So the challenge has come up.

to give a logical reason. And I've been working on it for days now. I've got several arguments I'm developing. And they're like it's called polysyllogism. And it's a valid form of logical inference, a polysyllogism is.

In fact, that reminds me when the Mormon dude kept saying, Yeah. Hey, just love this stuff. You go, come on, man. What's the logical inference for this? And then the Catholics go, That's right, Matt, what is it?

I said, Well, let me work on it. And oh, you don't know. You know, they're just want to see me fail. And then some guy goes, Just admit you were defeated, Matt. We can move on.

And they actually talk like that. They're like children in a lot of ways because they just hate what I have to say. They really do. They hate the idea that God is the sovereign king, that he elects, he predestines.

Sorry, folks, you're not in those groups. That's what the Bible teaches, and I can give you the references for it. And uh they hate the sovereignty of God. And so they have to have their own sovereignty little bit thrown in. Just enough, just a little leaven in the whole loaf.

And so they do that. And so the issue of Mary I've been tackling with the Catholics a lot. To me, it's a fascinating topic.

So they've challenged me, and I've been working on it. I won't be ready for a few days because I got my buddy here, and we're working a lot outside, you know, yard work. And it takes hours for me to go through things, to let it sit, come back, let it percolate a little bit, come back, read things fresh, put logical inferences.

Well, anyway, so I'm talking to this Mormon guy. And I said, well, I don't think it's modus ponens or modus ponens or modus. modus ponens or modus tollens. And it's not a disjunctive syllogism. I'm giving all these rules.

I said, but it could be the proper inference rule. And I said, let me think about this. And they're teasing me or trying to mock me that I can't get this. And I said, well, I think it's a it's a polysyllogism. I think that's what the reference would be, the inference.

And the guy didn't make it, the Mormon didn't make any comment. I said, Do you know what a polysyllogism is? And he said, Matt, just tell me what the logical inference is. I said, Do you even know what it is? And he didn't know.

And I said, wait a minute, all you've done is gone to some, I don't know, maybe you went to AI, maybe it was some website, and then formulated a question. What's the logical inference for this statement, blah, blah, blah. And I said, you don't even know what that means. You don't even know what a polysyllogism is, and yet you've used this argument. And I said, man, you are so busted.

And so this is the kind of stuff. that um that I've had to deal with. I'm gonna just tell you. I just gonna warn you, don't do this at home on your own. This is only for professionals, okay?

And uh Because otherwise it can hurt your brain dealing with people like this.

Some people say that you know, man, you're so patient with them. Most of the time I am, but sometimes I'm not. But I keep telling them, I say, You guys are idolaters. You're idolaters. Mormons are idolaters by de facto.

I mean, they'd serve a false God. And that's another thing, talking to the Mormon guy. Um You know, he says there's only one God in all places and all time I said, Really? I said, Do you have the potential becoming a God? We could be like God.

I didn't ask that. I said, Do you have potential becoming a God? And he wouldn't answer. I said, come on now. And finally, you know, I got him to say yes, and I give him some LDS quotes.

And I said, so how's that? There's only one God in all existence, all place, if you can become a God. And did your God become a God? Was he always God? You know, and I read him Joseph Smith's quotes.

And then he, anyway, and I've noticed this, and others have noticed that the Mormons are starting to sound more Christian. They're starting to use the same phraseology, not just the words now. would have the same words with different definitions, but now they're using the same phrases. and trying to sound as Christian as they can, and they're not. This is, to me, very interesting.

And uh What if you met somebody Who he's out in the ocean a lot, and he says, You know what, my favorite thing to do is, and you say, What? He says, Jump out of a boat into shark-infested waters. And you look at him like, wait a minute, shark-infested waters, why wouldn't you want to do that? For some reason I enjoy doing it. When they come near, I battle the sharks and I keep going back in and doing it over and over again.

you'd think the guy had mental problems.

Well, that's me, you see, because I like getting into the shark-infested waters of heresy and deal with these people. Just hold my nose and drop down in and swim around and go in there and do the heavy lifting and get bitten, and rocks thrown at me, and everything, and insults, and then come out. and then come on the radio here and say, guess what I discovered? And I'd give it to you guys.

So I do the heavy lifting in the shark infest that's a bad metaph Mexican metaphor. Heavy lifting in shark-infested waters should be the deep dive into shark-infested waters. I think it's a better metaphor.

Okay, hope I'm entertaining you enough. Let's get to Anthony from Kansas City. Anthony, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah.

How you doing, Matt? Oh, hanging in there, just trying to entertain people, you know, a little bit, trying to make sense. Yeah, yeah.

Well But anyway. Uh I'm glad you're smart enough to deal with all of these. Issues, maybe you can deal with this one. I wouldn't say smart enough, I'd say persistent enough. I can make up for lack of smarts, but go ahead.

Okay. Um Passes and hours. I listened to a certain guy, you know, you've probably never heard of it. His name is C. J.

Cornwaite, and he calls himself a former fundamentalist deconstructed Christian. But to make a long story short, The book of Acts is mythological, and he listens to people that try to put the book of Acts into the second in the second century. I pointed out that the book of Acts can't be. is a sequel to Luke So it has to be closer to the sixties. Right.

Basically they say that um Did you get that from did you list did you get that from Jim Wallace, you know, Jay Warner Wallace, or did you get a real historian? implication is if you are if you contacted a real historian He would agree with me, or the Book of Acts can't be dated until the second century. But anyway, what do you do when someone says the Book of Acts is mythological? You see, what what myth is in it? When someone makes a statement asking for verification, the statement shows me the list of myths that's in there that's not really historical.

Show it to me.

Okay, okay. And And you can ask questions.

So if it was written in the second century. What's that? I'm sorry? I'm sorry. We'll just say um It's mixed in with stuff like The Apostle Paul never met Jesus, you know.

Um in 1 Corinthians 9.1 he says he did. Paul himself said he did. 1 Corinthians 9:1.

So hold on, we got a break, okay? We'll get back to you after the break. Hey folks, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-2-07-2276, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Hey, welcome back, everybody. And if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Back to Anthony.

Are you still there, brother? Shoe here. All right. Yeah. All right.

So anyway, I was saying one of the first things you do when someone makes a claim like that is say which ar uh areas of acts are actual and which are myth mythological. If they're going to say they're mythological, then what specific issues are they uh appealing to or saying? That's one of the things you got to do. Make sense? Yeah, that's I have and I admit I forgot to do that.

I just kind of said. look, the book of access to D dated in the sixties because I said that the Apostle Paul, the end of Act, still has Paul alive in his own rented house. And um Tradition says Paul was executed in 66, 67, 68, around that time.

So had to address it. had to have been finished before he was executed. Yeah. And since it's a sequel to Luke, they often date Luke in the 50s, you know. But so well, if you go to Carm, there's an article I've written called When Was the Book of Acts Written?

It's important. I think it's a good. And reasons for the date before 70 AD and no later than 62 AD. No later than.

Okay. But internal evidence that the writer was a companion to Paul is listed within there. We passages. Right. And no mention of the destruction of a temple in Jerusalem.

Because that's not a myth. It's a real thing that happened. And so if that happened in 70 AD, 70 to 72, just, you know. Uh then why is it not mentioned in a history book? If it's trying to sound spiritual, don't you think it would include those things?

Well, it would make sense to say it didn't because. Uh, the book of Acts was written before that happened. Also, No mention of the persecution of Nero in sixty four AD. That's critical because that pushes it back even further. Such a horrendous persecution.

would be something that would be written in a book like this. because the Christians were. Slaughtered. and it wasn't just a little, it was all over the place. And it did mention the stoning of Stephen in Acts chapter 7.

And that was a simple one thing. Why wouldn't the writer say that the Christians are being slaughtered by Nero or by the name?

So it just doesn't make sense to say that well, the book was written in the second century. It just doesn't make sense. There's no Roman persecution of the church mentioned either, which didn't happen until after 64 AD. Because the Rome tolerated the Christians as a sect. of Judaism.

It wasn't until after 7070 AD 7072 AD that the official really bad got bad got when the Romans came in there and destroyed the temple. But also it was 64 AD when the the Nironic Nero Nironic persecution occurred. And there's like you said, there's no mention of the death of of Apostle Paul. Which is 62-ish. AD, most uh most of us say 60 to 68 at the very latest.

and no mention of of uh the death of of uh of James. which is uh around that time too.

So When someone says it's myth, well, what parts are myth and why is it myth? You just let them hang themselves and say, Well, what do you do with these things here? And then after a while, you'll see that they're just being ridiculous.

Well, the reason they di weren't written it was because I was trying to make it sound like it was early. Oh.

So now they're accusing whoever wrote the book of Acts in the second century, second or third century, they're accusing them of bad motives. And they're like, what's your evidence for that? It just makes stuff up.

Okay. Sure. I could go on and on about um about ah about ah and um These same people will often say that Paul didn't write the pastoral epistles. Um Yeah. And they can say that.

And uh Yeah.

So What's your evidence? Yeah. What's the oven? They'll say they'll say like, well, the best scholarship we have Say that Paul probably didn't like the pastoral episode.

Well, I say, whose scholarship? You know? Yeah, you know, I'd just say my scholar can beat up your scholar. It's just so what? And uh it it's Um People just want to find what they want to find.

and they are not going to bend. What you do is you realize that there are people who are given over to this kind of idiocy. And it doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't matter what evidence you give, they're going to find a way to get around it the best they can.

So what I would say is do your best to give answers. And take notes so you can improve. That's what I do, and that's why Carm exists. I just put those notes online and write articles about it. And then you move forward because there's it look I've I've met people like this.

It doesn't matter what you say to them, they always have a reason for um denying the truth. And one of the things you could do at that point is start asking questions why they're denying the truth. Get down to the bottom, the bedrock. What's the foundation that it is? Because you don't believe in God?

Are you an atheist? Were you wronged somebody by a Christian guy one time? What? And that's what I started doing. And uh And it gets into another whole discussion.

It's usually pretty interesting at that point.

Okay. Mm-hmm.

Okay. All right. Okay, thanks a lot, man. All right. Sounds good.

Okay. Okay, God bless. All right. Hey, everybody. If you want to give me a call, it is really easy to do.

Just dial 877-207-2276, and you can get to me quickly and easy, just like Janet here from North Carolina. Welcome, you're on the air. Thanks, man. How are you tonight? Doing okay.

A little sore from working in the yard a lot the past few days. Got a buddy here. We're working, and I'm complaining and whining about it because it's biblical to whine, because Paul says, take a little wine for your stomach.

So there you go.

Well, at least you'll be happy with the progress that you made, so that's good. Yeah, I've got my supervisor's hat and a laser pointer, and I'm just pointing at the things my my buddy needs to do. No.

Okay. I have a quick question for you. I am going to a church that is in the process of trying to find a new pastor. And I'm just curious about the elders. I know they're the You know, the body that kind of makes a lot of the decisions.

How many elders should a church have? Twice as many as half. Yeah. Mm. Yeah, whatever the half is, double that.

Tell me the third half. How heavy is a rock?

Well, it's twice as heavy as half of a rock. In other words, In other words, there's no number of how many elders there needs to be in a church, all right?

So, if you have a, let's say, a group, a guy is starting a Bible study and it turns into a body of believers, and then they want to start having communion. You know, it's the makings of just a non-denomed kind of church. And they make it official. They get somebody who gets a little building or rent a room from someplace, a big room. And they have meetings on a Sunday.

Now, functionally, you have one guy being the pastor. He's by definition an elder. Let's say you have 15, 20 people there doing this. That's all there is.

Well, that's one elder. That's sufficient. It's better to have another. Or at least someone can run things by, other qualified men. If there's not qualified men, he needs to train up some men in order to be in that position.

And so what about a church of a thousand people?

Well, we need to have as many elders as are necessary. The elder's job, we can talk about the qualifications of an elder. I think a lot of elders aren't qualified myself, but the qualifications of an elder, we go through that, they need to be able to teach sound doctrine, refute error. and um be you know can't be women. And so If we get back to the break here, we can talk about Various things elsewhere.

Okay. Okay, sounds good.

Well, hold on, okay, we'll get to work. All right. Hey, folks, you got a break coming up. And if you want to call me, it's easy 877-207-2276. Be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the line with Janet from North Carolina. Janet, welcome.

You're back on. Thank you.

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

So I asked that question because I attend a church that's about a thousand members, and I think we have less than 10 elders, maybe.

Okay. That's okay.

Well, it just depends. You know, what's their needs? Basically, the elders are. Are brought up from the ranks inside of the church for meeting certain needs. You know, they have something else that comes up.

And maybe they might have, let's just say, all of a sudden, for some reason, they start having a lot of need for biblical counseling for marriages. Let's just say, just, you know, for some reason. And then the pastor starts to go, you know, we need someone to do it. Is anybody here qualified? And they say, well, you know, I could learn it.

Or, yeah, I've got a degree in counseling or someone in the church they could ask. And then they check it out.

Now, they should be very careful who they pick, but those are the kinds of things that lead. to uh more elders and that's fine. There's no set number, okay? Hmm. Um And they're also as part of their responsibility is to um Make sure that the pastor stands in good standing too or whatever?

Is that part of the role of the elders? to make sure the pastor is a good standing. Yeah, to to to have the checks and balances just to make sure that everything is Only up and up. Oh, yes, yes. system of government biblical government is Presbyterian.

It's presbutteras means elder.

So elder rule, when the elders who rule well. And it's in 1 Timothy 5.17. That's what it says. It is not a democracy. It is not a voting thing.

These are the kinds of things that are just not biblical models. It's not a dictatorship either.

So if I were a church let's say someone says, Hey Matt, we want you to come over and take over this twenty-five people Bible study, and they you know, and in a year they say, We want you to be the pastor, we're going to start a church, whatever. And so then I would be the only one in authority in that sense, right? And so one of the things I would do is say, well, we need other elders. And I'll work with one or two men who believe that they might be called and look and check them out, etc. And let's say we get two guys in.

and within another year.

Well then They are qualified and hopefully qualified to be able to look at my sermons, listen to the sermons, and say, are they good enough? Am I on. on s spot on. And things like that. That's what they're supposed to be able to do.

And let's just say I have a, I'm doubting something, you know, maybe just a personal problem I have in my life. And I say, you know what? I just need some advice. And you could talk to the elders.

Now, here's something a lot of people don't know. I'm going to say this, because this is a good opportunity to say this. A lot of people are not aware of this.

Okay. So a pastor, I'm going to exaggerate to make the point. This is an exaggeration. The pastor knows basically everything. The pastor has his spiritual life together.

He's got really no problems. The pastor's family is really doing well. The pastor's great.

Okay? That's an exaggeration, but okay.

So this is kind of an image that a lot of pastors are given.

So, what does a pastor do if he's having doubts about something, or concerns about something, or he's having too many arguments with his wife lately, or his finances aren't doing right, and some things happened, or this could be. A hundred different kinds of problems that a man would have to face.

Now, does he just go to the congregation on a Sunday? Hey, guess what? I had a problem over here thinking about this. It's not real confidence building in the church. And some pastors, they have this.

I don't want to say ego. But it's easy to have that. But it's it's something like I have to maintain that position. for their benefit.

So Who's gonna who they talk to? Who do they talk to? Yeah. They have to have other pastors.

So, you know, I have friends. You know, I'm in this public view a lot. I'm a public figure.

Okay. Well, I have friends. They don't care if I'm a public figure person or not. They don't care. And so I'll talk about stuff.

They go, Yeah, you're just a jerk like everybody else. And those are the guys I like, and I just talk to them about things. And they're not elders in churches, but they're good friends that will tell me straight everything. And if I mess up or fail, they don't care. You know, we're just buds.

That kind of a thing. And a pastor needs that freedom to be able to have that. And a lot of people in the congregation don't realize it. A lot of pastors don't have that, and it's a detriment. It's a problem sometimes.

So you're saying they can get that from the elders? Yeah. It's a potential of the elders. It doesn't mean it's necessitated to the elders because you may have a conflict with an elder. You may, it can happen.

You may have a you can go and you can interview an elder, elders, and things like this, make sure everything's copacetic, and then all of a sudden, a year later, you find out that the elder's changed his mind about something, or you have, and there's a conflict. And what do you do? And sometimes people don't want to go divulging themselves to people unless they can really trust them. Because you're in a very vulnerable position when you're in an elder, you're a pastor. And if you say that you're struggling with something, whatever it is, that elder then can use it against you.

Right, that's true. Oh yeah, and it's happened. Oh, it's happening. And so, this is why I believe every pastor should have friends. who are so trustworthy, that unless it's something just heinous You know, they're just going to just listen like friends do, and they know that's their position.

And they don't judge, they don't they don't they'll never divulge anything. Because it's just not what they're good there for. Yeah, they need to have that. One thing I want to just ask you real quick is that how would you summarize that position? Because I'm kind of nervous about the whole process of finding a new pastor and all that kind of stuff.

It's like, what does that look like? Does the elders select somebody and they agree into a vote, or do the elders just make that decision?

Well, in that sense, you know, you could say if there's let's say there's five elders and they say, Yes, we need to have this pastor.

Well, what do the the church uh bylaws say? There has to be a majority of the elders or a hundred percent of the elders? Oh, okay, I see.

So Carm is a 501c3, which I wish we could get out of. But one of the things we had to do was go in and just make sure all kinds of details were arranged.

So in the Carm ministry, they can't kick me out unless It's uh the the board of directors can't kick me out unless it I go into abject heresy. And there's a reason for that because I got a story from five years ago. Oh man, have I got a story. Oh.

Oh, yeah, I was getting ready to leave the Karn ministry because the people, it's just a horrible story. It was horrible. I think it actually shortened my life, and I'm not joking.

So, this is serious stuff. This is serious stuff that we have to experience, go through. And I have a pastor uh a friend, you know, George I mean uh Bill McKeever down in Utah area. Salt Lake City area, and he told me once he'd be a pastor again as long as he didn't have to deal with any people. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

Um yeah, well I appreciate uh your your Your information because I'm like, I'm going through it now and I'm just trying to figure out how's this going to look? You know, I'm just kind of. interested in what's going to happen, but I'm sure that they'll keep us informed.

Well, yeah, and take notes and call me up. Because when you call. I like your calls because they're good. You have good questions and good stuff. You're in life experiencing things and asking questions, which means your judgment's a little off trusting a guy named Slick, but you know, it's good stuff.

Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely call you more and just figure out, you know, as things go on. But I knew you knew about elders and all that.

So I said, you know what? That's the question I had right now: kind of what's going on with the elders.

So that helps a lot. Thank you so much, Matt. Yeah. And thank you for your advice and all your information. And I'll keep in touch.

All right. God bless Janet. All right. Okay, take care. Bye-bye.

Yeah, I like it when she calls. She does good stuff. Let's get to Brent from North Carolina. Brent, welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah. Mr. Matt Flick, how are you doing tonight? By God's grace, I'm doing okay. Hanging in there.

So what do you got? Mike, I want to ask you a question going out through the airways. And be truthful with me. Who died two thousand years ago at the cross? Was it Yahushua or was it Jesus?

Yeah. They're the same. Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. Yahushua or Yahshua is just another name for Jesus, that's all. Another name.

Wait, there's another name. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Go ahead. I said go ahead, Jan.

Who translated the who translated the names? Was it the the the councils of Narcilla, Trent and Constanoba, which consisted of three hundred and twenty two sort of been bishops at the Catholic Church? That's not how it works. Yeah. You have to get out from underneath this boatload of error that you're just floating around a sea of heresy in.

You understand something. The Greek manuscripts are what we have. They're the oldest documents. We don't have any Hebrew or Aramaic documents of the New Testament penned by the authors. Penn by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc.

We don't have those. They don't exist. There are Hebrew copies, or make copies hundreds of years later, that were translated out from the Greek.

Now, we've got a break. Hold on, I can tell you this because this is important stuff. You can stop making so many mistakes. Hey folks, we're right back after. The message is talking to a black keeper Israelite guy.

He's nice enough, you know, it'll be interesting. Please stay tuned. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Brent from North Carolina. Brent, you still there? I'm right here, Mr. Mac.

Mr. Mike, one question. Have you ever traveled to the Middle Eastern area, uh Israel, Rome, different areas of the northern Mediterranean? Yeah, I've been to Israel, I've been to Turkey, I've been to Greece, I've been to Italy. And uh Bible tours.

Okay. Over in the Middle Eastern areas, what day do they serve Yahushua? What what what day? Yes, sir. What day is it, Saturday or Sunday?

Thank you.

Oh, I watched a really nice uh Sabbath ending ceremony on a Friday night, or Saturday night once, with the Jews. They're really interesting at a hotel. They came down and did that.

So they did that on on there. And the the Muslims, which were a lot of Muslims around in Turkey, they would do stuff on Friday. and then uh the others are there on Sundays in other countries, okay? Yes, sir. What's the proper day to serve him on?

Because most people serve on some people serve. Worship in culture we live in here, they serve on Sundays. What's the day you're supposed to serve our Savior? on any day you can, every day.

Well, we don't want any date, sir. But didn't he specify and give us a certain date to serve him on? In the Old Testament law, you're supposed to do it on Saturday, but the New Testament negated that. It's no longer necessary. I give you the scriptures.

Really?

So, you don't have to keep the Sabbath. No.

So, Jesus, you're doing away with law. No.

I didn't do away with the law. Jesus fulfilled it. And so we are not obligated to keep the Sabbath. Have you not read Romans 14? Yeah.

Have you not read Romans 14? You're not obligated to go up on his name, not keep the date. Let me ask you one other question. Let you go. Almost a hundred days.

Yes, sir. Well hold on man, let's talk about this day. Look what Paul the Apostle says. He says, Now accept the one who's weak in faith. But not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.

One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he was weak. Eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat. Who are you to judge a servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand?

One person regards one day above another Another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced of his own mind.

So you have to agree with Paul the Apostle. Do you agree with Paul? Yes, sir. I do. It's something I do concur.

Well, let me ask you one question.

Well, then, wait, wait.

Well, hold on. But if you're going to agree with Paul, then it says one person regards every day alike.

So that's okay, right?

So one person doesn't have to keep the Sabbath if he doesn't want to, right? It's been tasted.

Well, you know, we know that Bible has been altered and plagiarized by. Who says it's been altered? Where's your evidence for this? Evidence is well let me ask you a question. Where's the evidence?

He died on a Friday and rose on a Sunday?

Okay, hold on. Where's the evidence that the manuscripts have been corrupted? Yes, sir. Well, Validation Substantiate that is in the Middle Eastern area at the Roman Catholic Church. They have Vietnam and the Vatican.

Certain books, they have hidden them in the Vatican for some odd reasons. You know, people said, books. No, no, no. That's nothing to do with this. Look.

Look, God chose. Let me explain something here. 300 years earlier. Three hundred years earlier than Christ was born, Alexander the Great came through the Mediterranean area, conquering everywhere, and he made Greek the langua franca, the common language of commerce and travel everywhere. around a Mediterranean area.

This little sliver of land, these Jews spoke Aramaic. Or Hebrew.

Okay? That's it. It's not a universal language.

So when God had everything happen in Israel, And Jesus Guess what language? the the uh believers wrote the New Testament in. Greek.

So that would be Greek. Because at that time, Alexander the Great was a dictator.

So the dictator is going to dominate everything and tell lies about everything. Alexander the Great died at thirty-two, I think it was, three hundred years earlier. three hundred years before Jesus was born, before the apostles.

So he wasn't a dictator. It was just the language that was familiar to everybody.

So God had the New Testament written in Greek so people could understand what was really happening. If it was in Aramaic, they wouldn't have gotten it, it wouldn't have done any good. Mm-hmm.

What was the original name of the sapier?

Well, the Hebrew is Yeshua, Aramaic is Yeshua.

Okay. And his Jewish So, Acts 4 and 12 is not applicable to us when it says, There is no other name under heaven by which man could be saved. Acts 4 and 12. Yeah, and what's that name? But what I'm saying, you're telling me that we can go upon another pagan name, but Acts 4 and 12 specifically says.

That there is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved. Acts 4 and 12. Um actually so uh what is the name? Yahushua? Yeshua Hamas Yas.

That's not what it says, because Acts 4.13 says now as they observed the confidence Of Peter and John, and understood that they were educated and untrained men, I know, I know, I know. I know. I'm reading the next verse. The next verse says what I'm saying. They were amazed and began to recognize them as having been with Jesus.

The text refers to him as Jesus.

Well, it says Jesus. And in Acts 4:10, Just two verses earlier, it says, Let it be known to all of you, the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ, the Nazarene, whom you crucified.

So was Peter wrong when he wrote this? When he said this? I'm gonna leave you with this, Mr. Matt Schlick. Um His name was not Jesus, his name was Yahushua.

The Caucasian Jesus was named Caesar Borgio from Rome. Would you concur with that? No, no. Let me tell you something. One of the most interesting things about the Black Hebrew Israelite movement is the.

incredible amount of misinformation. They just swallow hook, line and sinker. It's like fishing. You guys are just going after lures that aren't real and you believe it. You get hooked by it and that's it.

No.

No, all we want to do is stop the lying. We want the truth. Your ministry is called truth ministry, right? What's the ever your ministry? Yeah.

Truth Radio Truth Radio is what the network I'm on, but my ministry, but my ministry is Carm.org, Christian Apologetics Research Ministry. The truth network is. What is truth? Truth is that which corresponds to the mind of God. I think it's a good idea.

It's Yahweh. That's God, Yahweh, the Christian Trinitarian Being. Wow, you only you get them, you get them at what does hallelujah signify? Why are you all? Let me tell you.

See if you can arrange the best black Hebrews or like guy to debate me. Let's debate on who the true God is according to the Bible. Want to do that? You can't find the best guy. Are y'all serving?

You find me the best guy. Mr. Bayer? I'm sorry, what? I don't know.

God and Lord are pagan terms which signify Baal. You're worshiping Satan subliminally. The name Jesus goes back to a Greek word, Zeus. No, it does not. There's no connection there.

You're just believing lies. You haven't done any research on this. You don't know. This stuff is so bad. Look, I'm telling you, in all my studies, the Black Hebrews Relight, the BHI movement, is the least educated, least grounded in reality, the least logical I've ever encountered.

The blood moon, you know what the blood moon signifies, right? You can see the blood moon. Oh wow, did you think y'all and the yard and bail would turn into blood?

Okay. Judgment of Man.

Now, y'all talked about the Hebrew Israelites, but guess who's leading the nation though? You guys are going to be damned. You know why you're going to be damned? You know why you're going to be damned? Because you don't believe in the true God and the true Christ.

Because you get mixed up on these word pronunciations. Halloween. Yes, I do. The one revealed in the Old Testament. I'm trying to show love to you, too.

And we thank you for doing a great job that you've been doing, the 23 years you've been doing. When can we get our ministry together and join forces together and stop this dividing with these impieties and religions and all this crap and political agendas and this and that? When we gonna ever just show love of Yahushua and just won't get the blessings of yah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

Yeah, well, you see, the thing is, we are not, the true Christians are not to be united spiritually with those in darkness. You are in that darkness. Yes, sir. And you don't know? Yeah, how can two walk together unless they are good?

Let me ask you something. According to the scriptures, let me ask you, d according to the scriptures, does Jesus does Yeshua HaMashiach Jesus does he forgive sins? Of course you do. Did he say, ask me anything in my name and I will do it, right? That's correct.

Okay. Do you ever know? Here's my question. Hold on, hold on. Here's my question.

Do you pray to him and ask him to forgive you of your sins? I do. Okay. And then Jesus, you know, the Yesus, yes, hold on, hold on. He said, hold on, hold on, brought butter, hold on, man.

He says, He and the Father, He and the Father, God the Father, will come and live in you, right? How can he do that? How can This Yeshua Jesus, how can He live in your heart the same as God the Father? How can you do that? They're one at Krag.

They're oneness. You ever heard the terminology at Craig? Their oneness? No.

One in spirit.

Okay. Okay. Do you mean they're the same nature? Do you mean You mean they're the same nature? They're one in spirit, one in mind, one in nature.

What do you mean? No, no, no, that's purpose. No, no, no. Are they one in nature? Are they one in nature?

You get into thematics now. He's the sun, and he's the cockades, which I'll call ghost and spirit. Those are themes clean. I tell you what. I tell you what, Brent, we're going to move along because you're not able to really deal with the issues.

You're all over the map. You can't focus on one thing at a time. And I'm just going to tell you, man, I'm just going to tell you, I mean, this lovingly, you've been so brainwashed that you don't even know who the truth is, who the true God is. You're in trouble. You're in trouble.

Most people are being told so many lies in America and throughout the world through the Roman Catholic Church. The people are lie to lie to truth. Y'all up on the false doctrines, which is demonic doctrine. You have to find it. You have to prove it out of the Bible.

You have to prove it out of the Bible. Brett, you had to prove it out of the Bible. If you had to show me the scriptures, we're going to move along.

Okay. Okay. Rest, gulped out, breathe. It's it. Wow.

It just gets like this. I can't tell you how many times I had a conversation with all kinds of different people where they just get more and more. Energized as whatever's in them starts trying to speak and get their doctrines out. I cannot tell you how many times it happened. And after a while, like, okay, we're done.

You know, we're done. It's just it's not working.

So if a BHI, a very qualified black Hebrews or white person, wants to debate me on stuff, please feel free. And we can arrange something like that.

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