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That's what we do. And we have nobody waiting, so maybe I'll get to some of those today. Oh, callers coming in, okay. And um Let's see, there's something else I'm going to talk about a little bit, but can't remember. It's not that big a deal.

So, uh also um I'm just curious, how many of you have seen the debate I was in a couple weeks ago? It's uh you can find it on Carm. And I'm just curious if anybody saw and what you thought of the debate. Not a big deal. If you haven't, no big deal.

Just a little bit of feedback, kind of curious about that kind of thing. And I hope to be setting up more debates and doing some more stuff. I got some ideas, which I'll be talking about later, on some outreach examples, outreach ideas. And I'll be working on that. Like I said, there's a lot going on.

I released an article today. What was that article? Let's see. I got so many things I do all the time.

So release an article. What's natural will? And are they biblical? This is something out of Eastern Orthodoxy and easily refutable. and some of the stuff that they teach.

One aspect of it is um Stuff like that. All right. Let's just jump on with Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air.

Amen. You know, I really wanted to ask you. I remember you got there was a caller from last week, I believe. He had a difference of opinion on what scripture actually says on faith versus works and The the one uh point I have brought up was the thief on the cross. And I believe this gentleman had Stated the thief on the cross was under the old covenant, so therefore he was under a different set of rules.

Right. Does that argument Kind of dissipate once you realize he might be under the old covenant, but he's also. right next to Christ, who has the authority to alter the covenant.

So Jesus died first. before they went to the uh To Christ, and they were going to break his legs, which means he could not then push up on his feet, on the nails and his feet, in order to take a breath. They would suffocate very quickly. And so when they went to do that, he was already dead. In Hebrews 9, 15 through 16, it talks about the new covenant is instituted with the death of.

of Christ with the death of the mediator. And so, since Christ had died before the thief on the cross, technically the thief on the cross died in the new covenant.

So therefore, uh the argument the person raises doesn't work.

Okay. Well, I guess what Morgan has win, since he is the Lord and Savior, doesn't he have the authority? to alter You know, the the covenant at all because there are times where he was accused of breaking the law and and uh do all these other things, which I know you well are we're aware of, but he's not bound by man made observations of time periods, I guess is what I'm kind of getting at. You know, the idea of altering the covenant, that is problematic. because God binds himself by his word.

So, if he establishes a covenant, he can't alter the covenant. unless there's something in the covenant particular that says it's alterable. when God covenants He binds himself To what he says.

So, therefore, that covenant aspect cannot be. modified, cannot be undone.

So, generically speaking, the answer would be there: no, he doesn't change his covenant. He can certainly fulfill his covenant. And there could be, depending on what aspect of the covenant we're looking at, there could be ramifications due to the issue of certain. you Possibilities within it. It gets a little more complicated, but Generally he wouldn't do that, okay?

Yes, I appreciate that correction. I think I'm using the wrong phrase there, kind of drive in.

So well, I guess what I meant is doesn't Christ have the authority to tell Because I hang on the fact that he told the thief on the cross to today you'll be with me in paradise. And that seems to be like a guarantee from the Lord herself.

So there was clearly something going on within that conversation that Yeah. This person was not legalistically just bound to to what the other caller was trying to intimate he was. Generally, those who say this issue with the thief on the cross are the ones who will say that you have to keep the law or do certain things in the law, and/or baptism is necessary for salvation and things like this. And so, they'll go to this, not very often, but they'll go to this area of scripture to say that he died before the new covenant was in, and he's under the old covenant. Therefore, he had to be baptized, or he had to be circumcised, or he had to be whatever, do good works in order to be saved.

They use it in various ways. And so, the point is: you know, as I said, Hebrews 9:15 through 16, he's the death of Christ institutes a new covenant, and then he died, Jesus died before the thief, so therefore the thief died in the new covenant.

So, that's generally how they argue and what they say about that. I don't know if that helps.

Okay. I just I don't hear very many responses to You know, him telling the thief today he'll be with me in paradise, you know, from those who argue that other point of view. I I think I'll I'll accept the words of the Lord versus someone's opinion. That's right.

Now, the idea of him just being able to say, for example, Um that you're going to be with me because I say you are and and I'm ignoring the covenant responsibilities, that would be a problem.

So The issue here we want to look at is When we talk about covenant God binds Himself by His Word, and then, in order to know what was going on, We'd have to know what the boundaries of the covenant were, which takes a lot of Bible study, a lot of work.

So I wouldn't say that Jesus would alter anything, but he would interpret it properly. That's one thing you could do with the covenant. He would just tell what it really means. And he would never violate what it clearly states.

So, um That's so him saying, Today you'll be with me. you know, one of the r things we know is that the thief believed. And his belief is what justified him. And so Jesus says, You're going to be with me in paradise.

So that's what's going on.

Okay. Yeah, and I definitely misspoke in my phrasing, but yeah, I think that's That's the best example of faith over works.

So I'll accept that. And I'll do a little more study on it and try and bring it up again on future future shelves.

Sounds good, buddy. You're awesome, man.

Okay. Alright, God bless you then. Bye-bye.

Okay, God bless. All right, that's a good question actually. I don't think I have an article on Karm about that. Maybe I'll write an article. Did the thief die?

A thief on the cross? Did he die in the older new covenant? Um That's worth looking into.

So let's get on to some of the questions that have been sent in. We can do some of those, and I enjoy those. Those are nice.

So here we go. Radio questions. Let's get down to this one. I know James says God doesn't tempt. I'm wondering if God not only allows trials but causes sense trials to believers.

Okay, that's a good question. And there are There are issues there we have to look at. Um Now I have to explain a little bit of logic concept about causation. And um Then we can answer the question better.

So there is something called Yeah. Approximate causation. and efficient causation. Efficient causation is, for example, Adam is in the garden, he sinned. Willingly, no one forced him.

So he's the agent of the rebellion, the agent of the action. The proximate condition or the proximate cause Of Adam's sin, the proximate cause is God. In that, God created the garden, put the trees there. Let Satan come in to tempt him. And so the proximate condition or the proximate cause.

Practical cause is God, but He's not the efficient cause. The efficient cause is Adam. Efficient causation is where responsibility and guilt come in. And so, but not in proximate cause. God arranges circumstances.

So it's like me arranging the circumstances at dinner with my child, and I arrange certain foods. I'm not the one who's forcing a child to eat one thing prior to another thing. I'm the one who's created the condition in which that child freely acts. And so the child in this situation, having, let's say, five different items to eat, picks one to start with. That child is the efficient cause of that choice to eat one thing.

But I'm the proximate cause of that child eating that, in that I created the circumstances, cooking, putting the meal together, put on the table, child sits down and eats. And uh so the one who is the The proximate cause is not the same as the efficient cause. The proximate cause is the condition in which a free will choice can be made.

So having said all of that. When it says God allows trials or causes them, Now, what we're looking at is in the sense of the proximate cause or the condition in which certain events. God will allow to occur to a p person. These kinds of events would be the events that have sinful actions within them.

So God can allow in a condition Allows someone to act in a manner contrary to his his uh his uh Divine will, I don't lie, and he'll let you do that in the context of the proximate condition, the proximate. action, approximate uh uh cause. But he would never cause anybody to sin directly. But yet he can, at the same time, with his own hand, send a trial upon you. He can, for example, cause you to be sick.

Now, people say he would never do that. That's not true. You can go to Exodus 4:11. God says to Moses that he's the one who makes the eye blind, the ear deaf, and the tongue dumb. God says he's the one who does that.

He's not the only one who can, but could we know demonic things can mimic that. But we know that God does say that.

So God can send a trial upon somebody. Blindness or deafness or mute or some other things in order to bring about. a a trial or a testing. A trial is not sinful. If God puts you through a trial, He's not causing you to sin.

He's uh purifying your heart, your mind, so that hopefully you do that which is right and good and proper.

So That's what's going on.

So he says, I know James says God doesn't tempt anybody. That's correct. but he certainly can bring direct trials to bear. by which and in which you make your free will choices. To do what's right or wrong, okay, as a Christian.

So I hope that helps. It's a little bit complicated, but it's not when you understand a couple of concepts. And uh there you go with that. Let's try another one here. Um Let's see.

Uh scanning through this It's a long email. Like I said before, if you can. Um right short uh questions because if they're a hundred words long That's like two or three paragraphs. I got to read through to find out what it is. I'm an advid listener and agree with you on most of what you talk about.

Christian belief in the Trinity. Uh believe Jesus is Lord. A very extreme burden of anxiety. I think I went over this already, trembling in fear that I am not his. Yeah, I did go over this a week or two ago.

And because sometimes your emails come in twice. They'll be responded to and they kind of get filtered in like that. But we'll see what happens after the break here. Hey, folks, there is the music, which means a break's happening. And if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-20722.

7.6. We're right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines 877-2072276. You can also email me, send an email to info at carm.org, info at carm.org. Put in the subject line, radio comment, or radio question. Let's get on to another, let's see, another. Email, what are the seven spirits of Revelation 1:4?

What does it mean?

Well, I've looked at it before, and it seems to be that what they are is just another way of saying the Holy Spirit. It's not like there's seven individual spirits. It seems to be a symbolic reference. And uh You know, and the Bible, you know, the Sevensfold Spirit, I think it mentions also and some other stuff. I think I'm going to do is I write an article.

I thought I did, and I actually checked during the break on that to see if I'd written. And no, I hadn't apparently. I've done stuff on the seven churches. And nothing on the the issue of Revelation 1.4.

So I'm going to write an article on it. I've got to do that among other articles I'm working on right now. What am I working on right now? Let's see, let's see, let's see. I'm working on.

Okay, well, here's an argument that Muslims sometimes bring up. When I'm debating them, and I say that Muhammad married a six-year-old, and then he. consummated it at nine. And that is at, you know, it's. It's Sur 51, 33, and 34.

It talks about this. In the hadith. And so they'll say, well, Isaac married Rebekah when she was three. And it's just a lame argument. But I did some research, I'm working on that article right now.

I'm on the verge of releasing it today. That is the issue of a false. what was it? It came out of, um from Sader Olam Rabah. And an old rabbinic text, the second century after Christ.

And it's just a commentary. It's not biblical, it's nothing like that. And I did some research and found out in Genesis 24:16 that when it says refers to Rebekah as a girl, not a ra. Not raw. And it means a young woman of marriageable age.

And besides, she carried enough water to water the camels, so a three-year-old can't do that.

So anyway, you know, and work on that article. It's interesting how how uh the Islam works. Two. How Muslims work too. I've been thinking a lot about Islam lately.

How it works to deny biblical truth.

Now You know it's interesting. Uh It says the guy The Kelly is the what? Matt Kelly on Facebook said he's the guy who kept me safe in Dallas. That's a note, but I don't understand that kept me safe in Dallas. You mean is he the security guard guy?

Oh, business security is a security guy talked to a security guard guy there. Um, if you are, hey man, hey, how you doing? Uh so yeah.

So Some of this I've been thinking about about Islam. And you know, have you ever had this idea in your head? That it just kind of bouncing around different places, different times, different things. And you're going, you know, I wonder. And that's what's happening with me with Islam.

The more I read it and study it. Um I'm interested. I actually started over the weekend. Uh I started reading the Sahih International. uh Quran, which is most uh one of the most accepted uh has a little bit of parenth parenthetic stuff in it.

and I'm going through verse by verse very slowly reading through what the Quran says. to see whatever I can learn. whatever ideas come. And One of the things that I've noticed is The Quran sounds like someone trying to sound spiritual. And I gotta do some research here on how many times the idea of damnation and following the true God and Muhammad.

are there. I'm gonna have to do analysis on stuff and ask for some AI's help. because AI is very good at taking large bodies of text. and extracting how many times words occur Phrases occur, concepts occur. It's really good at that.

And So, a lot of people don't like AI, but if used properly, it can be very helpful. And what I'll do is, I'll run it through four different AIs just to make sure the numbers are all identical or within a reasonable range of percentage. And what I'm talking about here is I go through the Quran. Muhammad's name Muhammad occurs only four times, but he is referenced hundreds and hundreds of times outside of just that particular name. And it reminds me Or makes me think of the idea of how it's a fingerprint of the authorship of Muhammad pointing to himself as God, as he's using God as a means to.

exalt himself, while trying to sound humble. It's really hard to explain, but that's what I see. And as I'm reading through the Quran and understanding it, and seeing these these issues Of what it says.

Well, when I deal with Muslims, A lot. I said this before on the radio when I'm I'm curious about is why And this is very subjective. Why Muslims and atheists seem to have the same attitude. The same attitude This is subjective, it's just my opinion. But when I talk to atheists and talk to Muslims, I find the same Attitude of stubbornness, of pride, of arrogance.

of denial of of scripture. when it doesn't agree with their paradigm. Both will deny the crucifixion, deny the resurrection. They'll deny various things. Islam does wholeheartedly, most Muslims, I mean, most atheists do too.

They don't believe that Jesus actually died on the cross, rose from the dead, otherwise, they'd be faced with some very serious issues. And I just can't help but notice the similarity. What Islam is to me That's good. Is a religion that it's a political movement. In that uh How to say this?

It's a political movement that uses religion. It's not a religion that has political movement in it. It's a political movement that has religion in it.

Now, if you think about it that way, Whether it's accurate or not, I really don't know. I'm still trying to formulate my ideas about that. If you think about it that way, it's not that far off in that Islam is a religion that's politically motivated to institute Sharia to subject everybody governmentally under the headship of what the Quran Hadith says should be done socially and politically. And in that It is a It's uh hard. I believe it's a terrorist organization.

I don't like the Democratic Party, I believe, or is a I think the Democratic Party should be. It should be categorized as a terrorist group. That's my opinion. That's what I believe. And along with Islam, because both I'll get both, I'll just stick with Islam for now.

But Islam is often spread by violence. There are plenty of statistics that show that the higher percentage of Muslims are in a country, the more violence there is against Christians and others who are not Muslims. It's just a fact. You can go through and do a lot of research. It's a well-known fact.

So the more that they become a percentage, the more violent they are. Once they At the beginning, when they're in a country, they act peacefully. They don't want to cause problems, wouldn't it become substantially a large percentage? then they become violent. And that's just how Islam works.

So I'm going to say it's a political movement. that masks are egg Masquerades has a religious movement. and hides under the idea in the United States of freedom of religion.

so that it can overthrow our government. Hey, we'll write back after these messages. Give me a call. I'll be right back, please. Stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. We've got nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, I think what I'm going to do now is just jump onto some emails and some questions that have been sent in.

And let's see, how about this one? Oh. What does the day of the Lord refer to in 1 Thessalonians 4.16? Ooh, what? Good question.

The day of the Lord. It says the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Um.

So let's go there. And I'm going to read the whole thing properly in context. And this is i interesting stuff. Uh 1 Thessalonians 4.16.

So, the day of the Lord is a little bit later mentioned, but let's get into it. All right. So it says, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout. I'm going to go through this slowly, might as well. He will descend from heaven with a shout.

Now, I'm going to continue with this, but I want to go back to. Acts chapter 1. Starting at verse 9. This relates to this. This is A Acts 1, 9 through 11.

And it's a prophecy about the return of Christ. And after he had said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received him out of their sight.

So, this is Jesus going into heaven. Verse 10, and as they were gazing intently into the sky, while he was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They said Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking toward heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you watched him go into heaven.

So, the prophecy of the angels is that Jesus is going to return the same way. that he went up into heaven. And notice what it says in Acts 1, 9 through 11. It says that he went into the sky where the clouds were, And that's how he's going to come back. That's what it says in Acts 1, 9 to 11.

So we go to 1 Thessalonians 4:16, for the Lord Himself will descend from heaven. With a shout, the voice of the archangel, with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Notice what it says in verse 17: then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together to meet him in the clouds. to meet the Lord in the air.

Now that's uh 1 Thessalonians 4.17.

So the prophecy of Acts 1:9 through 11 is fulfilled at the return of Christ. which is the time of the rapture. This is critical. This is critical. A lot of people don't get this.

Some people say a seven-year tribulation period between the rapture and the. return of Christ. That's not what this is saying. Clearly, it's not. It says he will return.

from heaven. Yeah. are coming just the same way you've watched them going to heaven.

So into the clouds. And then verse 17, After Jesus returns, we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds to meet him.

Now, some people will say, well, wait a minute, what that really means is. That It's The seven-year tribulation period, Jesus is returning to get the rest of the people after the rapture. And then he's going to take care of the wicked at that point. He's going to judge the wicked. That's what they'd say.

Except there's a humongous monkey wrench. I'm going to throw into that. Argument right now by going to Matthew 13.

So it runs verse thirty, the wheat and the tares. Allow both to go together until the harvest. And the time of the harvest, I will say to the reapers, first gather up. The tares. and buy them in bundles to burn them up, but gather the wheat and went to my barn.

And in verse forty Jesus interprets the parable of the wheat that tears. This is in Matthew 13. He says, Just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth his angels, they will gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness.

Now, some people might say, well, that kingdom is the thousand-year reign. Yeah. But you see What he's saying here is, the first ones gathered are the wicked, and then the good are gathered into the barn. If it's the Yeah. It doesn't work.

When you look at what 1 Thessalonians 4 is saying, and I'll combine it with something else and I'll show you. There's so many ways to talk about this and go to this.

So he says, comfort, this is 1 Thessalonians 4:18, therefore comfort one another with these words.

Now, as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you, for you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord comes. will come just like a thief of the night.

Now back to the question the person asked. What is the day of the Lord? And as it relates, it is. The Rapture. The day of the Lord is the rapture.

It comes He himself will descend from heaven with a shout. not just the rapture but it's that's when it happens too. You will descend from heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel, the trumpet of God, the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive are maintained cut up in the clouds to meet him. But as the times and the epics You don't have to worry about it if the day of the Lord comes like a thief of the night.

How many days of the Lord are there? One One that comes like a thief of the night. Just one. There's only one Phraseology like this. The day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night.

There's a variation of it, the day of the Lord that comes like a thief. It doesn't say in the night. But a day of the Lord comes like a thief. there is no other reference to this at all. except uh here, these two references.

In 1 Thessalonians 5, verse 2, and 2 Peter 5. Yeah. Yeah. But the day of the Lord come like a thief. In which the heavens will pass with a roar, and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

Now, Okay. Here we go. The day of the Lord cometh like a thief. is the same as the day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night. Because there's no other phraseology in the entire Bible that says a day of the Lord comes like a thief.

It just occurs in those two places. That I've mentioned in 2 Peter 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:2. Remember, there's no chapter break in the Greek when it was originally written. And that first one in Thessalonians is in reference to the return of Christ and the rapture. The second one is in reference to the new heavens and new earth.

They happen on the same day. That's the critical issue. That's the critical issue. Now the question that was asked, I didn't read the whole thing. He said he wants to understand the amillennial position.

This is what that leads to that. If you understand that the rapture, which is the return of Christ, which is prophesied in Acts 1:9-11, there's only one return. One, not a halfway return. He comes and gets people before the tribulation and then goes back. That's not the return, because he says here.

It says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 through chapter 5, verse 2, that they of the Lord that comes like a thief in 5:2 is in reference to the rapture. That's what it's in reference to.

Okay, when he comes down from the clouds And says, we'll be caught up together and meet him in the air. That is the rapture, which necessarily is the day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night. That's the rapture. And the phrase, the day of the Lord comes like a thief, is also used of the new heavens and new earth. Acts 1 says there's only Acts 1, 9-11, says there's only one return of Christ, and the return is designated as a certain way.

that he re he comes back with the clouds. Coming down from the clouds.

Now we can go later when he touches his foot down the Mount of Olives, there's an earthquake and things like that.

So. This necessitates, from what I see in Scripture, that the rapture has to be. after the tribulation period. At the return of Christ, which is at the same time and the same day, It's a new heaven to new earth. People are like, no, it can't be.

Oh, it be.

So the thing to do is check this out, you know. And I know people like to talk about this. In fact, Let me run this by you too. Because uh in Matthew twenty four Jesus says Or they ask him, the disciples came out of the temple. He says, Jesus says, all these stones will be torn down.

In verse 3 of Matthew 24, when will these things happen? What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? Three things. When will it happen? What's the sign of your return, your coming?

There's only one return of Christ. And the end of the age. They understood. The disciples understood, it's the end of the age.

Now, how many pastors you talk or hear talk about this mention the end of the age? Just as they did, and Jesus does. The The end of the ages when the harvest occurs. Matthew 13:40 and 41.

So What what he teaches, that's what the disciples taught, what Paul taught.

Alright. But he says that no one must lead you. There's gonna be wars and rumors of wars and famines and earthquakes. They'll be delivered over to tribulation. And people's love will go cold.

The abomination of desolation, spoken of Daniel, will occur. And unless those days be cut short, no life will be saved, false prophets and false Christs will arise and show signs. And he says, And so will thee. coming of the Son of Man be the coming. The one return.

Okay. And he goes on. In verse 29, immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the sign of the sun of man will appear in the sky, and the tribes of the earth will mourn. Uh, they see the son of man coming in the clouds, and he says, and that's when they gathered people together. That's the rapture.

After, after. the tribulation period. Ooh. 1924. A lot of stuff there.

I know. A lot of stuff. Hey, be right back after these messages. Give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Oscar from New York. Oscar, welcome.

You're on the air. Yes, thank you. And I'm thinking if if Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? No. Absolutely not.

Oh Because if Jesus is God, That means you have no savior. I mean, if Jesus is not God, they don't believe that Jesus is God.

So Jesus is not God. That means they have no Saviour, you have no Saviour. Right. You don't have a Savior because they don't believe in his sin nature, and they believe that you can get right with God by your sincerity, your good works, your repentance. They don't need a Saviour.

They are their own Saviors.

Okay. Okay, thank you.

Okay, thank you very much.

Okay, bye-bye. Sure. All right. Sure. No problem.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. Yeah. So one of the things that Islam teaches Is in Surah the Quran, chapter five, verse seventy-three. They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three and a trinity, for there's no God except one Allah.

Now, there's several things we could talk about with this in Surah 573 when it says this: there's not a trinity, there's only one God.

So, the implication here is that the Quran or Allah misunderstands the Trinity and thinks that it is three gods. It is not. It's never been that. This is just a. One of the evidences that Muhammad wrote it.

It was not inspired from Allah because he couldn't even get the Trinity right. And there's other verses like this, but Surah 573, they do blasphemy, who say Allah is one of three in a Trinity, that God is one of three in a Trinity, like three gods. And so, because the Arabic word for God is Allah. It's not his name.

So Allah, but what we do when we're talking like is we use the word Allah as the Muslim God.

So Allah is one of three, or God is one of three in a Trinity.

So they misunderstand who God is and they deny the Trinity, therefore they do not worship the same God. In Islam, God is a single person, but in Christianity, God is a Trinity. in Islam. Um God, its nature is not love. It's not love.

It never says to be love. But in the Bible, in 1 John 1:8, the nature of God is love. And so we have right there some very differences.

So we have Trinitarian, whose nature is God, whose nature is love, excuse me, and we have a Unitarian being whose nature is not love. These are automatically distinct and contradictory in that they cannot both be true in the same God. And here's an interesting point. If the God of Islam, his nature is not love, and I've asked this of Muslims, I've done some research on it, they say, no, his nature is not love. Because it does say this, you know, God is love in 1 John 4:8.

That means this is part of his nature. What he is is loving. If it's the case that in Islam Allah does a loving thing, How do you know it's a loving thing? Is it because he just simply states that it will be? This is a defined decree.

He simply decides that this is a good thing or a loving thing. It's not an emanation out of his character. Which means then that we can conceive of a being better than Allah. You see, if the idea here is that Allah is not loved by nature, but He does loving things, and He decides to do what's loving. But if He decides to do what's loving, He can also decide not to do what's loving.

Because it's just the decision. In Christianity, God is love by nature, and therefore the actions that He does in part will all be touched by that love and emanate in part out of that, and also out of His holiness and other qualities that He possesses. Therefore, He cannot be unloving, He cannot undo that love. But in Islam, He can. In Islam, the love of God can be capricious, can be declared, decided, inconsistent, because it's just a decision.

But not so with the God of Christianity.

So, here's a point of contention that we're looking at, but also a point to consider: if that is the case, that Allah's decisions are considered loving because He makes them loving or decides that they are. Is not emanating out of his nature, then is the nature of God that is loving better? than the nature of a God that is not loving. And we could ask that question. Because if it is the case that it's true, then Allah is not the greatest God.

Yahweh is the greatest God. If it's the case that we can make, we can logically say, well, the nature of love. Is part of Yahweh, but not of Allah, and therefore Yahweh is superior. We make that case, we can show that the God of Islam is not. Because it makes because in Islam, The issue of God's actions that considered are considered loving comes out of his nature, but doesn't come out of his nature, it comes out of his mind, out of his decisions.

And so therefore love is arbitrary, love is decisional, love is not an absolute. But it is in Yahweh. The absolute nature of love is part of what God is, He's the ultimate. And in Islam, there is no ultimate standard of what love is because it's decisional and arbitrary. Therefore, the greatest act of love, as Jesus says as a later lifetime for your friend, can be performed by Yahweh, but cannot be performed by Allah.

Therefore, the God of Islam is inferior to the God of Christianity.

So it's a bit complicated to get out, but that's it's one of the arguments that I've been using a lot with Muslims, to explain it to them. And they're not used to this kind of an argument, but it is very useful, and I'll be perfecting it and polishing it as time goes on.

Alright, so anyway, no, we do not Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God, and Islam is a pagan religion. It is a false religion. It will lead to damnation. It's a religion of violence. It's a religion of inconsistency.

It's a religion of a prophet who said that heaven is wine and women. That's what heaven is. for the men, not women, it's wine and women. That's what heaven is. Yeah, sensual pleasures are the definition and the standard of what it means to be exist forever in heaven, on rich carpets and cushions with lots of women and lots of of booze.

That's the heaven Johanna. in uh in uh in islam. I mean, it's so obvious. A guy invented it. I I mean, it's what it is.

Instead of heaven being the very presence of the Holy One, of the Almighty God, no. It's a presence of Women? Yeah. and booze. Wine and women, that's it.

And you know what they do with the wine and the women, all right? Forever.

So that's the idea of having. Oh man, to me, it's just so obvious. And the Muslims fall for this. But in Christianity, the presence of God is the greatest of all things. Not whining women, not knocking the women out there.

Women love you, you're great, women are awesome.

Okay, but you don't compare to God, okay? I'm just sorry, we don't compare to God. And Uh So heaven for the Christian is indwelling in the presence of God. in his glory, seeing it, being there. He there's nothing greater than him.

Yeah. But I just get a kick out of this. But in Islam, Uh It's wine and women. That's heaven. Hey, Bob, want to go to heaven?

Well, what happens there? Wine and women.

Okay, I'm in. Wow. You know? And, but. I just I can't believe that.

So lame. It is so obvious to me. I wish it was obvious to more Muslims, but they've been brainwashed. And Islam is the religion that comes along and denies the crucifixion, denies the greatest act of love. It denies it.

It's so obvious that Islam is false. Let's get to. John from Indiana. Welcome, you're on the air. Yeah, Matt, I just have one comment that won't take up much of your time.

Well I was In agreement with your Comments about the Trinity. And one of the problems that so many people have concerning the Trinity. is the don't realize they're denying the power of God. He can Each in uh powerful enough that he can show himself or reveal himself However, he wants to do it, but he chose to do it as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's not that he chose to.

You gotta be careful now, okay? Because that means let me explain. If you say he just chose to reveal himself that way, it means then that it's not his nature. But we have to understand the reason he revealed himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is because that's his nature. It's not just simply a choosing that it could you could have chosen something else.

but it's his nature.

Okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. That I was kind of leaning towards the. Is power That he could have chosen some other way if he had wanted to.

He didn't want to. He chose the way he did it. No, it can't. He must speak and act in a way consistent with his own nature. He is eternally one God in three distinct simultaneous persons.

So he couldn't choose to reveal himself th uh one way or another way. because it wouldn't be true.

So he acts in a manner consistent with his holy nature.

So he cannot choose to reveal himself as a non-trinity.

Okay. Yeah, I uh I know that it it says If you go back to Genesis, it says Let us make man in our image, that it's used in a plural sense.

So basically, that's what. God is. Right. He is let us make man in our image according to our likeness. There's three plurals used in reference to God.

In Genesis 19:24, it says Yahweh rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh. There's a plurality that's going on. The nature of God is plural being. And that's what it is. If God was one person, then we have an immediate problem.

Since love is other centered, God loved the world He gave, and other love is other centered, then forever before the universe was created, God had no one to love. That means that His the objects of love are what completes I love. Which would be demonstrating that he's insufficient in and of himself, and that true love, what God's nature is, then becomes actualized when something other than himself exists. If God is two persons, Father and Son, for example, then that problem is resolved in that the Father could love the Son eternally, but then a new problem arises in that the aspect of what love is as an abstraction. Love is not alive, love doesn't think.

It's just an abstraction, a concept. an expression of what's in us.

Well, then that would mean a fundamental part of God's nature would be impersonal, in that love is not self-aware.

So being impersonal, an abstraction, that's a problem. And if God is a Trinity, Then we have the Father who could love the Son, and that the Holy Spirit mediates the aspect of what love is between those members, and vice versa, with each of the other two. And therefore, the fundamental nature of God would not be impersonal, but impersonal, because the Spirit could be the mediator, the means by which the love is expressed within the Father, Son, Holy Father, and Son, and also between the Father between the Son and the Spirit, and the Son between the Father and the Spirit, etc.

So the Trinity has logical necessity to it, where the other forms don't. And so it's logically what God is necessarily as he reveals himself out of his nature.

Okay, hope that wasn't too deep. No, that's all right. All right. Yeah. Okay.

You're just getting a little deeper than my thinking goes. It's all right. All right. Okay. Okay.

Thank you. All right. Well, God bless. Right. Well, I know that was a bit heady there, but every now and then I've got to say something to review it, and that's just one of the things.

Try to say it quickly and easily.

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