Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Uh All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Here's the Matt Slick Live. Today's date, a nice date, January 6th, 2026.

If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-2075. 2276. I want to hear from you. You can also email me.

Now you get a little bit of an issue. That's right. Because. I can say you can email me at info at carm.org. I think it'll work.

Because we're moving our emails to a different server, kind of a thing, today. Yeah, so. I won't say it's working, that says it's not going to work. And uh there you go.

Okay.

So, uh If you want to give me a call, we can do that. And you can try that too. You know, you can try. Um setting uh a question or comment to info at carm.org. Info at CARM.org.

And I can Actually, see if it's going to come up and come in and all that stuff. I don't know. I don't know because I'm still looking, trying to figure out how things work in the new system. We're always trying to upgrade and do things better, more glitter, and sometimes it works really well.

Sometimes it does not. And uh anyway. Like I said, if you want to give me a call, the number is 87720-72276. You can give me a call. I want to hear from you.

And um let's get to John. From Colorado. Let's see, got a nerd.

Well no, not that one. I'll keep it wrong button. There we go. Hey John, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi. Hi. How you doing, brother? It's better than you.

Okay.

Well, that's good.

So what do you got? Um Working. going to bring up many things, but That's too personal. Revelation 3.3.

Okay, Revelation 3.3.

Alright. What the heck? Did you did it? Did you say something? Do you hear a noise in your background of your place?

Are you there? Uh I don't think so. Did anybody else heal hear that do you hear that, Laura?

Okay.

Sounds like someone's in the house and there shouldn't be anybody in the house.

So it's weird.

Okay, I'm not gonna worry about it.

Okay, that's interesting.

So what what's your question? I'll check it during the break. What's your question? Mm-hmm. My main question is So the parable of the ten virgins.

Okay, and the I guess the main topic is be prepared. Yes, that's what it's about. What does that look like? Spiritually, be prepared for the return of Jesus Christ. You need to walk in faithfulness to Him, discovering who He is, being ready spiritually.

It also can mean and should mean also the issue of being prepared physically. Because when he returns, generally it's going to be pretty bad, and so you should be prepped. You know, as it says, they had oil. The oil represents a spirit.

So we could take this literally, we could take it figuratively. Both are within the normal corpus of Christianity and things like that.

So we should do that, okay? All right.

Well, that's not a great explanation. Be prepared, isn't it? I'm supposed to be doing something right at the time, yeah. Yes. Are you a Christian?

Well, you're stuck in the core.

Okay, I d I don't remember. Are are you a Christian? Yes. Okay.

So Are you Well come on, what's the Christian mean? It's like a very vague term these days, you know that. I I'm sorry, w what did you say? I'm sorry, what? I'm saying all kinds of people call themselves Christians these days.

It's a very vague terminology. No. A Christian is someone who follows the Lord Jesus Christ, who's God in flesh, died on the cross, rose from the dead. You put your faith and your trust in Him. It doesn't include Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy because of their false doctrines they've added in, or Mormonism, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or anything like that.

Okay.

Right, that's what I'm saying. This very vague, everybody calls themselves a Christian now. Whether or not everybody does is not the determiner of what Christian is. You go to the Bible for that.

So, I just gave you the basic parameters of what it is you have to adhere to in order to consider yourself a Christian, okay? All right.

Okay.

The main topic is the preparedness part. Yeah. Um Be faithful, be productive, produce with what God has given you. Have your faith with in him. And um also to make sure your earthly Things are in order.

Okay.

Uh what about the watching part? I'm supposed to be watching. Yeah. So we're lifting 3-3, like a thief. I don't understand that part.

Okay, so Matthew 25 is the parable of the ten virgins. Revelation three. is about the uh this is about Um I was just when you don't know and Because you talk to the Church of Sardis and how bad they are. And he's rebuking them. And he's going to come when they're not expecting it.

He's going to remove the lampstand. That's different. Then the parable of the ten virgins. which is about preparedness.

Okay.

For God. All right, and Oh. Be ready. I'm telling you the same thing. Are you spiritually ready?

That's the number one thing. You're ready.

Well I don't think I'm ready and I'm trying to define what that means.

Okay, do you believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh? Yes. Okay.

And uh did he rise from the dead in the same body he died in? I'm sorry, say again. Did he rise from the dead in the same body he died in? That was a glorified body.

Okay.

You affirm the doctrine of the Trinity, one God, in three distinct, simultaneous. Co-eternal persons. Yes. Okay.

And let's go one last one here. Do you believe in justification by faith alone, in Christ alone, not by faith and baptism, not by faith and sacraments, or anything like that, right? Um I have a little trouble there.

Okay.

Justification by faith alone is one of the core tenets of the Christian faith, that we're not justified before God. by anything that we do in combination with what he has done. He grants we have faith, Philippians 1.29, that faith is sufficient to justify us, Romans 5.1. And so we don't add baptism to it. though we should get baptized.

We do not have the grace of God infused to us by sacramental procedures. Through taking the Eucharist or getting baptized or getting married and all the other stupid things that the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church says as a means of grace that gets infused into your soul.

Okay.

Alright. Okay.

So, if you're affirming those things, then that's good. Then you need to be developing a fellowship relationship with the Lord Jesus. That's 1 Corinthians 1:9. And Be ready for when he returns, that you have forsaken evil ways, you've trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Okay.

And then But I always tell people be prepared, you know, with water and food. Things like that. Because it's just wise to do that.

Okay.

I haven't forsaken Eva Wade. I kinda accepted that I'm an evil person. And I can't change it. And I just kind of accept it now. I avoided the court.

Okay.

Um or try to good. We we as Christians we're to try to not sin. were to try and avoid Um you know sinning But it's not the avoidance of sin that keeps us saved. It's the faithfulness of Christ. And what we do is we avoid sin because it's What glorifies God is what we're supposed to do as Christians.

Okay.

What it seems like the scriptures are warning me saying You better behave the right way or else. Yeah, the right. Behave the right way is in the confession of Christ. Your preparedness that you have truly trusted in Him. Be prepared.

That's the thing that is important. Not how rich you are. Not how many cars you have. Do you have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ? That's what's important.

You're talking about what? while talking about stints. Are you promiscuous? Are you out in the world chasing after money? Are you doing these things the right way?

Okay, in your mind, are you thinking about these things?

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're not giving a sermon here, but you're asking a question. I'm not sure what your question is. And we start asking those questions. Those are typically interrogatives given during a sermon of teaching time.

So, keep it to yourself in the sense that if there's certain things you're struggling with, then you need to talk to the elders of your church.

Okay, and ask them.

Okay.

Hebrews 10.25 says, Do not forsake the gathering together of the body of Christ.

Now, if you're in between churches, I get it, but you need to seek... you know, a body of Christ and fellowship there. And you can talk to the elders, okay? But at the same time, They're running a church. I'm a distraction.

We're trying to do a job there. Then don't be distracted. Don't interfere. Why don't we put it in? People there don't like me.

Well, that's okay.

So sit in the back and just absorb sermons and Things like that.

Okay, and then Go do what you gotta do. All right?

Okay.

Well what I'm saying is If if I have to do something. The atonement of Christ, okay? Did he die for nothing? If I gotta help out somehow, Why do we got him dying for us for no good reason. She's gotta have my help somehow.

I mean, either it's done or it's not.

Okay.

I'm not sure I'm understanding what your issue is. You seem to be making You seem to be mixed up theologically. Um So, uh All I can say is You need to find a church. You need to go to the church and you need to be involved with that church.

Okay.

And talk to the elders about these issues. That's their job. And you should do that, okay? That is their job. I agree with that.

Yeah, that's right.

So we're going to move along, okay? We're going to go in circles and we'll go along, but that's what my advice says to you.

Okay, brother? All right, there we go.

Now let's get to Jamal from Winston-Salem. Jamal. Hey, buddy Hey man, how you doing, buddy? Hey, Matt, I'm doing fine.

Sorry about yourself. Doing all right, hanging in there, by God's grace.

So what do you got ma'am? There's a button. Good deal. I'm glad you're back on the radio, sir. Wanted to ask about the classes on Carm.

wanted to see if they were accredited because I'm thinking about thinking of some classics. No, they're not. Uh are the Carm schools accredited? Nope. And uh They're just things that I wrote.

Over the years, and gathering information and putting it together so people can have a systematic way of learning. That's all it is.

Okay.

And they have been used by different people over the years. Thousands and thousands and thousands have signed up and they've been blessed. That's what I've been we've got we get a lot of response. We have gotten a lot, I should say, a lot of response over the years about how beneficial and helpful they are.

So they're not accredited. They're self-paced. You just go through and read a lesson and then answer the questions that are down there, and you move forward.

Okay.

Okay, that's that's good to know. Um, well, uh, let me ask, um Maybe, I guess, two other questions, and I'll try to break first. Oh, okay. I hear it. And then we'll get back to your questions afterwards, okay?

So hold on, all right. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Alright, and welcome back to the show. Let's get to Jamal. Jamal man, welcome. You're back on the air, buddy.

Good deal, good deal.

So, yeah, the other two quick questions I would like to ask is. if one does take up these classes. What all could they do with them? Could they just be just for personal use? Could they.

maybe use these this this knowledge in some kind of official capacity?

Well, all knowledge that is biblically based should be used properly. And so the issue here is The purpose of the schools is to help people, Christians, learn systematically and see how things are related as one thing builds upon another. And so that when they go through them, particularly like, for example, theology. they can understand more clearly what the Christian faith teaches. And so if someone were To go through the schools, like 93 lessons, I think there are 90 lessons.

in the theology school. Then uh If they go through them slowly, take a month or two or three or four, whatever, you know. they will have learned or been exposed to. Uh more Let's just say biblical theology. in that time than they would probably in a decade or two decades of of church.

Because Pastors aren't teaching this kind of stuff. Seriously. I've had people tell me lately more often than I was. than usual. that they've learned more from listening to me on the radio or listening to me on Varying platforms.

They've learned more about the Bible, about God, salvation, theology, etc. than they have in church in twenty, thirty years.

Okay.

I can understand that. I feel the same way. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and when I preach, just to throw this in, I usually will throw in some doctrine. During a sermon, because I believe every sermon is attached to a theological foundation.

The foundation of all things ultimately is the Trinity. And then people will preach sermons that are normalistic. And we're supposed to preach Christologically. The reason we change or grow or repent is because of what Jesus did on the cross. And the Christocentric, cross-centered kind of preaching needs to be there every sermon.

And there needs to be a reason for our change and what we're to do: improve in knowledge, decrease in sin, increase in sanctification, understand more. This is what God has revealed. And all sermons should be based in these kind of things, not simply to be better. That's moralism. Yeah, stop lying because lying is bad.

And then th that's that's that's a useless sermon.

So We need to have sermons and teachings from the pulpit that are Christ-centered, cross-centered. and theologically minded. It doesn't mean you have to have a a dissertation every sermon, but it means that as the talented and gifted pastors are preaching and teaching, that they include something like And so Jesus died on the cross. And incidentally, When he died on the cross, only his human nature experienced that death.

So then, how is the sacrifice of divine value?

Well, it's simple, because the attributes of his human and divine nature We're claimed by the person of Christ.

So Jesus says, I am thirsty, I'll be with you always. It's that person who died on the cross, and the person of divine value. And that's how come we can be redeemed. And you move on. And I've had people tell me when I give little nuggets like this, afterwards they go, Wow, I never heard this before.

And I said, No, it's unfortunate. And so that's what I do and and it doesn't have to be that particular topic, but there's hundreds and ways of of putting them in. Like when I do coven I do communion a lot of times, I do something that I've never heard anybody else do. And that uh I mention hold on. I mentioned if I might give communion a sermon.

I preach and I'm given communion. What I'm going to do in that, when I start addressing the issue of communion, I'm going to tell them. Ye have understand in the Trinity the Father elected, And the Son redeemed. This is the work of God. It's in the scriptures, Ephesians 1:4.

And if you're not familiar with that. Please familiarize yourself with that. But what they did, the persons of the Godhead, is they made a covenant. to redeem the ones chosen by God, That covenant is manifested. in your hands.

As you hold the bread and the wine. which represent the Body and Blood of Christ from the Eternal Covenant, In the inter-Trinitarian promise before the foundation of the world, you're holding eternity in your hands.

So when you take your taking of a promise of God. that's infinitely old. and that is of infinite value. And that's how I I do communion. Mm-hmm.

They need to know. They need to t be taught. They need to know what repentance is. They need to know why they're to learn these things. because they've been bought with a price.

Acts twenty twenty eight have been bought with the blood of God.

So Behave like you've been purchased. You're no longer your own. You belong to him.

So your thoughts, your intentions, your movements, your breaths should be for the Lord Jesus Christ, as much as possible. And in those areas where you fail, You give them to him. and just know that the blood of Christ has already cleansed you. You can have confidence in him. to move forward in your life.

These are the kind of things that I believe need to be included in sermons.

Okay, I don't think we're there. People don't learn. Yeah, and and um uh again of um learned a tremendous amount. you know, from the show, from Carm. um from when we have spoken um you know, I'll scare.

which is one of the reasons why I've been asking around while I'm asking now. uh a friend of mine who Uh details. on um on these subjects. On um apologetics, so to speak.

Well, not not apologetics, but um He's very well versed in the word, I'll say that. He also recommended that I come to you for taking classes on doing something more in an official capacity.

So, um uh myself, a friend of mine, Ms. Joanne just shared with me about the online schools.

So several different people are talking about the value of of these lessons. And when you yourself and your ministries are doing more than some pastors in the churches. that that shows the the value of of these classes. Um Um you were talking about how this could be or teachers should Come back to the cross. and how you can infuse theology.

with your preaching. Yeah. Is there a term or sorry, go ahead. They should. But a lot of unfortunately, a lot of pastors aren't very theologically minded because they're doing too much pastoring.

That theological study. The church needs to free up the pastor to do more preaching and teaching. It needs to study that word and, I believe, apply it. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that the congregation members don't want to hear this stuff. Yes, they do.

I did pulpit supply for years in Southern California. I preached in lots of churches, lots of them, and I would do this. And I repeatedly was told across the board that they appreciated those little nuggets that were added in.

Okay.

So Yeah, of course. I mean, if we wanted to go to some kind of motivational speaker, we would do that. If we wanted to go some kind of conference with a panel or something, we would go to a conference. But I believe that people are coming to church, they want to hear theology. They want to hear how to apply God's word to real world.

Okay.

There's a break, sorry. Here's the music. And I can just tell you, that's why I get bored in sermons because they're not doing this. But at any rate, hey brother, we're gonna go. We got calls waiting.

Get back in line, okay, man?

Okay, Jamal? No problem. All right, buddy. God bless. Hey folks, bottom of the aisle, be right back after these wonderful messages, please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright, everybody, welcome back to the show. Hey, just wanted to talk about the schools a little bit.

They're at learn.carm.org. And They cost $33 each, or if you get all three at once, we have three schools: one in theology, one in apologetics, one on critical thinking. All three of them, I think, are $75, so you get quite a discount if you do all three. And what we say, and I have said, and I'll say it again. that if you want them and you can't afford them, just email us, let us know.

And say you want them and you can't afford them. We don't ask for verification, we just give them to you. And that's what we do because we're not here to make money, but we do need it to keep the lights on and pay the missionaries. Our goal is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ to equip the Christians for the work of ministry. That's what we're trying to do.

So there you go with that. Let's get to. Uh Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome, brother. You're on the air again.

Escape. you know, but before I ask my question, I just had to put a quick A quick testimonial, and I really do love the Carm classes. I've been in Exposed to a lot of good theology, and that's among the best in the world, in my opinion.

So, I think anybody. On the fence, you you might as well just go ahead and take a dive into it 'cause it it will uh Truly bless you.

So I'll absolutely get there. I'll send you your checklist. Yeah, that's good. My question is uh Exodus chapter six And uh having to do with with our the name of God.

Some people still insist on you you having to pray a certain way or or to a certain name, but You know, as I read that Chapter, you know, God pretty much has said, like, not everybody knew him as Jehovah or. whatever name they wanted to put in. Um I that seems to be the case for a lot of folks where people are Are praying, and I would just assume, you know, God being God, He knows who's talking to Him if He knows His own. is it really so important to have to have the name while you're praying to to address it to to uh our Heavenly Father. Yeah, there's a movement, the sacred name movement, and they say you have to pronounce the name of God properly in order to pray to him.

If you don't pray, if you don't pro properly pronounce it, then you're in great sin. All right, logistically, we have a person who's born deaf, doesn't know what the sounds are. How does that person speak the name of God properly? How can you teach it to somebody who can't hear it? I guess that person can't pray to God.

There are issues here, logistical issues. If a truth is that such that it's universally applicable, then let's just test it to see if it is. And of course it's not. If they want to require that you have to say the name of God properly, Yahweh, or whatever it is, or how it's pronounced, or however they did it, If it's required that perfection in that sense or sufficient perfection is required, then how do they know they have the right pronunciation? And this is a question we can ask them, since the Jews themselves wouldn't even pronounce the name of God.

We can get close to it in Hebrew. But it was 4,000 years ago.

So, how much of the pronunciation has been lost or changed or altered? Even a little bit.

So their argument is not uh is not sound.

Now What you said is the right thing.

So the word for Jesus, for example, in Greek is iesus. And when we say Jesus, in Spanish, it's Jesus.

Well, I guess you can't say his name properly, so you can't pray to him.

Well, of course not. And you're right. The intention is between God and man, and He knows. He knows they're just doing what they can according to what they know is true. And it's not that truth is relative to the person, but there's nothing in the Bible that says you had to pronounce his name right in order to pray to him.

That's found in the book of 2 Colostomy. You know, you gotta pronounce his name right to be, to pray. It's just ridiculous.

Okay, it doesn't work.

So There's a lot of foolishness out there, and that's just a manifestation of it. Should we try and pronounce his name properly? Yes. Can't we be guaranteed that we're doing it properly? No.

Is God going to condemn us for it? Of course not.

Okay.

Yes, and I know a lot of this is pushed. It actually it surprised me is not just pushed by Jehovah's Witnesses, even Among some Christians, they have to say the name. I say, Well, where does the word? actually say that 'cause you know, my my prayers Get answered. Just like my son.

Who's two calls my name? He can't pronounce anything, but I know who he's talking to, so. It's just to me it's a silly argument. It's it's a form of control for some folks. That's really a good analogy.

That that's good. You know, a a young boy, young girl learning how to speak. Won't say your name properly. It mispronounce it. But it's you know exactly what's going on.

That's a good analogy. I like that. I'm gonna start using that. That's going, brother. Hey, I like that.

Uh Well said. All right, well, God bless you, Matt. Look forward to talking tomorrow, Lord Willie. God bless you now. Lord Willie, man.

Good stuff. God bless. Alright. I like talking. He's a good guy.

Let's get to Jeff from Ohio. Jeff, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Yes, Matt, I want to know.

You mentioned yesterday in last night's show that You know, women cannot have ecclesiastical authority, and I think you've mentioned in the past as well. that the husband is the head of the family, but What what about uh women serving in positions of Civil authority. Is that biblical or not? No problem. Yeah, Deborah was in civil authority in the Old Testament.

God raised her up. She's one of the rulers in Israel. And it's not a problem. The Bible says that in the context of the church, women are not to be pastors and elders. And that's just the way it is.

In civil authority, no problem. I would attend a seminary if I had to do it again. If a woman was a professor there, yeah, no problem. I'd go and learn. If there was a woman who knows Hebrew and was teaching at her church, you know, hey, teach me.

You know, I took it, but I'm very bad at it now. And if she was another woman who was a good mayor, ain't no problem at all. Just do a good job biblically.

Well, how do you refute those though who would who would come back with saying Well, Judge Deborah was a one-off in a possible judgment because. Iraq, the general, wanted her to hold his hand going into battle, for which she rebuked him. And in other words, her being there where she was was kind of a rebuke to the nation of Israel at the time. There's also Queen Esther. Who doth the prophetess?

Okay.

Junio, and I should have debates about that. Uh you can look it up. Uh In 2 Kings. Which prophetess? 2 Kings 22:14.

So Hil Hilkiah the priest went to Huldah, the prophetess, the wife of Julia. Huldah. Yeah. H-U-L-D-A-H. there was Queen Esther.

Uh she was in authority. She's a queen. But second in command in the Persian Empire.

Well, yeah, you know, dealt with Mordecai the Jew and things like that. But. She was in civil authority as a queen. She could say things, and things would be done.

So it's not unbiblical for a woman to be in a civil authoritative position. But her responsibility is to do it for the glory of God.

Okay.

All right.

All right, I'm just Interesting take. All right.

Well, God bless, brother. All right.

Okay, you too. All right, now let's get to, I guess, Sincere from Ohio, and then we'll get to CJ. Welcome. You're on the air. On the Hello, hey Matt.

Hey, how you doing? Good, how you doing? Hanging in there, man.

So what do you got? So I have a couple of questions. Uh me and my grandmother were wondering, um, 'cause we have a disagreement on There's two questions I'm going to ask you today.

So the first one is, Uh Are female angels, do they exist? And can you? Uh no, they don't? Female neither female nor male angels exist. Because angels don't have gender.

They don't have gender by definition. They're angels. Right. Would we say that they're spirit? Yeah, they're spirits.

Yeah, they're they're not they're not corporeal and have uh genitalia. It's not how an angel is male or female.

So they manifest themselves typically as males. The only place where we could allude to the idea of a female angel. References only once in Zechariah 5:9, I lifted up my eyes and looked, and there were two women who were coming out with their wings, and they had wings in the wings of the stork. They lifted up the ephah. And so some have said, well, that's a female angel.

Maybe, but they don't cl most people don't classify it as an angel, but as symbolic representations of. Of some issues that were at the time. But typically speaking, angels are always revealed as male. In the male sense, probably because they're sent with authority in a spiritual sense, and that rests in the male, not the female. And and uh that and how that's how that works, primogeniture, federal headship, and things like that.

So uh There you go.

Okay.

Yeah, thank you.

Okay, yeah, you you cur clarified the question with the authorities. Um my second question is Is everything A spirit contest. considered a spirit or is it like the sin nature? Like you say if someone was angry or They get upset or uh they have depression. I'm not sure what you're saying.

Hold on, they got a break. And we'll get back, she'll formulate that question and we'll get right back to you after the break, okay? And then we're going to get to CJ from Michigan on the church of Carrick, which I think will be interesting. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back. Let's get back online with Sincere from Ohio. Welcome, you're back on.

Yeah. And okay.

So Fine.

Okay.

So I s I asked the question, is everything a spirit when I'm One of the time. What I'm referring to is like like your emotions. Like when someone gets angry or they get sad or That's you. They don't have their own spirits. My anger, my love, my hate.

My jealousy, they don't have their own spirits. That's a false teaching from a lot of bad teachers out there. It's part of what you are. Is it part of the sin nature, like the flesh?

Well, it's human nature. No, no, it's part of the human nature. But by default, it's in nature, too, because we have a sin nature. But when we love and are jealous and hateful and merciful, there's not a spirit of mercy in us, and another spirit of this in us. That's just false doctrine.

Um and so could the enemy Use that Um like the anger To to manifest itself? through that person? I say it again, please. like say if you um got angry or frustrated, uh, could a spirit manifest through that to a person? The spirit, a spirit, which is it?

Your spirit.

Okay.

Un unclean spirit. One spirit. An unclean spirit? Yeah. If you're a Christian, you can't be possessed by any demonic force.

That's another false teaching from the stupid teachers out there. who teach us foolishness. And it it's just it's ridiculous, okay? We we don't need a demonic spirit to be sinful. We have enough problems of our own.

And these these uh theological morons who go out there saying, Oh, you know, the Christian, you have a spirit of apathy in you, you gotta cast it out. You know, just Get away from me. They know what they're doing. They couldn't argue with the way I have a web paper bag. They don't know.

And they teach this kind of stuff, and they put people into spiritual bondage with it. It's just harmful. But it's not biblical.

Okay.

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Thank you. All right.

Yeah, don't listen to people like Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Joyce Meyer. all these teachers who don't know what they're doing. And are amateurs at best at theology, and then they say, You have the spirit of whatever in you, got to cast it out. Give me a break. You know, that's from the s the book of uh hysterectomy.

You know, it's just ridiculous.

Okay.

Oh.

Okay, thank you, Matt. Have a rest night. You too. God bless. All right, next longest waiting is Scott from Michigan.

Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you, Matt. About a year ago, I reached out to you by email and Richard. I think which is the same, I think.

An associate of yours, you got back with me.

Okay.

Yeah, there are people who answer emails. I can't do them all because they're just too much. Yes, yes. I I I talked to them for about an hour.

Okay.

Well, I I had a real late conversion. And uh it was it was it it when I hear you talk, it reminds me a lot of of yours. It was real dramatic. I just wa I people the the I I just get Get into their heads. You've got to hear stuff.

If I say it in a calm voice all the time, like this, they're going to go to sleep. But if I say, no, they're morons, They need to look at the radio and go, What did he just say? That's right, they're morons, you know. And people need to hear it. They need to be waken up so that they can believe what the truth is.

But then again, they're listening to a guy named Slick on the radio, so that's not saying, you know, a whole bunch. That's good. No, you know, after I I've got I listened to you quite a bit. I listened to the Scrolls and and the Tin Kellers, and it seemed like There there's no other way, but we form theology, as far as I'm concerned. I agree with you.

Makes the most sense. It's most secure, it's most bl it blesses you the most. Yep. Who asked? Do you agree with Spurs and mention that late conversions are kind of They're they're kind of rare.

I mean I I was 61 and this happened. That's what well, that is kind of uncommon. But praise God. Yeah. Praise God.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable. And it went and it and it went through Christ and But uh I wouldn't the I I was just reaching I I couldn't believe it when it happened and uh People think you're you just can't drive to McDonald's drive to say I've just been converted.

Oh, no, it's not like that, but no. No. Yeah. So Uh but I I was reaching out to pastors and everything else and telling them what happened and and Hey, big one, yeah. I I don't know, unless I guess some people experience it That's right.

That's right. That's it. That's it. That mine was very dramatic. I knew a friend whose was not dramatic.

That's okay?

Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then you link to this, though? No, no, I just there's a book that I found. I want to get your opinion if you read them.

Thoughts on Religious Experience by Archibald Alexander. Did you ever hear of it? No, I haven't heard it. No, it's not.

Okay, it's it's it's it's uh it's the same thing with and the death of death by Owen. John Owen. Yeah, that's good. The death of death is good by John Owen. Oh, yeah.

Yes, it is. Yeah. And it seems like I you can always tell you're on the right trail because you you crave all these. these these reformed Calvinistic Uh two chicks. Right, because they make so much sense, they're so biblical and holy.

They they they they reach a depth of holiness, yes. Yes, they do. And the doctors of Grace you talk about a lot, and they're unspeakable to me. Unbelievable gifts. Uh Yes, that's right.

Yeah. Well, thank you, Mac.

Okay.

It's a yeah. And what's your take on sanctification? I get different views on that. I I look at it as kind of like an outlet. You're the only gods in the plug.

I don't know. Yeah, that's a nice way of looking at it. That he's working through you. And that's out of Philippians 10, 12 through 13. It's God who works in you and through you to will and to work for his good pleasure.

and were created by God forbid works. Ephesians 2:8 through 10.

So yeah, those things are true. And uh sanctification. I don't like sanctification. I prefer not to experience it because it's constantly me having to improve myself. And uh That's rough.

There's so much to work on. It's a full-time job, you know. It is, it is, it is the pruning, man. You know, I like to say my four by four in heaven that God gets my attention with, it's all rounded, really thin right now. There's not much left.

Yeah. Yeah, no, no, I know. She's not close to my age. I think I'm 67. I don't know what you are.

I'm 69. Yeah, I just turned 69.

Okay, you're old.

Okay.

Well thank you Matt it's a pleasure. Yeah. Hey, no problem, man. God class, brother.

Okay, all right. Thank you. Bye.

Okay, bye. All right, now let's get to Mike from North Carolina. We lost the other callers. Mike, what's up? Yeah, I have a question.

So, a pastor friend of mine is about my age. We're talking about our. Young adult children around 20. Um my daughter Is in a serious relationship, but her and her boyfriend are trying to be pure. And he goes, Oh, my.

Fun. just moved in with his girlfriend his first time. And that like struck me. I was like So I guess my question is with a pastor and elder When did they stop uh you know I guess leading the household, or if you have a pastor who says that, does something need to be brought to the outers? Like, I'm kind of confused by that.

Um Whew. Yeah, that's a tough one. Because the Bible doesn't say So let's look at the context when this kind of thing is written back then, a granarian context, generally speaking. the people, the household, the the kids When the they were by the age of seventeen, eighteen, nineteen were often married. And so it was very common for people to have to be involved in arranged marriages.

Uh pretty quickly. And in a Christian context that kind of thing is very interesting because generally as the father was in the house, so was the rest of the family. That's just how it was culturally. And so if you had in that context children had denied the faith. Then you're not qualified to be in ministry.

That was the point. But they didn't really have, but they do, but they don't, but this issue of. uh children leaving the house and going to another house. Because it did happen in those cultures. at that time.

Now the question is, does that disqualify the father from being a minister?

Well Yes and no. In that culture, if There is a close social relationship between even a son who'd left the household. and was living just you know, five hundred feet away on the farm. And he had departed from the faith. That would bring disdain upon the Father's name.

Because it was a social construct, and familial relationships were very important. And so this would bring Uh You know, an accusation potentially against an elder or somebody like in a church.

Now let's fast forward to now.

Now, when people get married or leave the house, it's far more the context of. A break. You are saying I'm no longer under your authority. I'm no longer eating at your table. I'm doing my own thing.

And so We understand today that that is a broader and more definitive break. of relationship, even though they must still love each other, etcetera. And we don't look at, normally speaking, A child who's left the house 25 years old and is doing bad things. And we say, well Oh, that's what that person's doing.

Now we throw this problem in or this issue in. The father has raised the children in a godly way for years and years. and everything was fine. And then they leave the house and they become apostate.

Now, is he responsible for that? No. His job was to raise them up. And so they left, and then later they left the faith.

So You see, it's a difficult one because we're trying to answer, because we're trying to figure out how the original context relates to now, and there's differences. Are we to say Yet you have to be a believer. Because what if you have a 70-year-old pastor with a fifty year old son, who's been out of the house for thirty years and he becomes an atheist. Is that seven year old pastor now suddenly disqualified? We would say no well, of course not.

Well, how far back do we go before we say on this side of the line, disqualified on that side of the line is okay? And that's the question, and that's the difficulty. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I was looking kind of at the heart of it. You know, if he was like, look, I did everything I could.

And I think this is why I almost wonder if there needs to be like an outer review. Like If it was ever I did everything I could, he went out. And he did this. That's one thing, but it's like you know, the kid's 20, 21, and he's celebrating it. And I'm like, you know, how was he led in your household?

Like, I have some questions. Yeah, let's yeah, if a man let a uh his son live in his own house uh illicitly like that with a a old girl, uh he th that father can't be qualified for uh But if he's raised to the generally what I've heard, I have this discussion, generally the principle is if you've done your job to the best of your ability, no one's perfect, and you've raised them gone to church, you taught them, you did what you got to do, and then they leave the house and then they lose their faith. That's not on you, it's on them. That's generally the principle. No, no, I respect that.

Yeah. It just was his attitude towards it. Kind of. Yeah. Oh, I get you.

Almost knocked me over. Oh, yeah. Yeah, his attitude was like, oh, yeah, you know. That's a problem. Call back tomorrow.

We're at the end of the show. If there's a music we gotta go, call back tomorrow, but we can talk about this attitudinal part of it. That's interesting. All right, brother, gotta go. Amen.

God bless. Folks, there we are, end of the show. May the Lord bless you by His grace. Back on there tomorrow. Talk to you then.

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