Matt Slick Live

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and... You're listening to Match Lick Live. Today's date is January 5th, 2026.

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So, anyway, that's a real kind of a brief comment. Let's get to Jermaine from North Carolina. Jermaine, buddy. Hey man, how you doing, buddy? Oh, hey, good to talk to you again, Matt.

It's actually North California, but Northern California. Oh, that's right.

Sorry about that. I'm getting people mixed up. How are you doing, man? That's right. Stuck in the People's Republic.

That's right. I'm doing very well. Happy New Year to you. been thinking about you and Yeah, question I wanted to ask for The longest time, I I think you brought it up just before you took a hiatus was. the Kirk Cameron situation and his comments on Hill, I've since had time to revisit and actually give it a fair chance of what he said and.

It was really a discussion that was almost an hour long, and he followed it up with some comments because I guess people. We're saying some unfair stuff. And I don't have a problem with the discussion at all. because I think is worthy it. I do absolutely believe that they're there is a form of eternity to hell, but it's not a salvation issue.

Do people have a right to Kind of question someone's whole theological belief system just because they They broached that question just asking about Hill. No, it's fair to ask about hell, and those who are not theologically minded will ask all kinds of good questions, just the same as people who are theologically minded. And I don't know what discussion Kurt has had. I tried to contact him so we could discuss it. I just haven't got been able to do that and gone through.

Maybe I'll. try to morrow call down there and see if I can get a hold of him. Down in Bellflower, to discuss the issue. I don't know what his position is, so you can maybe tell me. But if he does hold to annihilationism, it doesn't mean he's not a Christian.

It means that he's not understanding the Word of God in that area properly, but it's a debatable issue and it's not a salvific issue.

Okay? Yeah, in essence, the conversation was actually. I thought his topic got hijacked, and the problem with the internet now, you have a lot of people just making content. even people that claim to be Christians in I thought that a lot of it was taken out of context. He had a full forty minute conversation with his son.

And all they did was discuss the different views and possibilities Of Hill, and he just simply was asking: you know, do we know everything about Hill? He didn't. He didn't take a hard line. you know, is that he didn't come out and just say, Hey, I I'm I'm an annihilationist, but He had to follow up with another video because some people were accusing him of abandoning the Christian faith. altogether and he had to declare, you know, his His belief in One way to God, you know.

Through Christ, there's I I I didn't think it was it was something you should have had to do, but It seems like people kinda hijacked a session of I guess you can call it like just question and answer between sun, just discussing a topic and then took it to all kinds of places that I don't think was intended. It's very often the case. I've had that happen countless times. People will say, you said that, no, I didn't say that way. They'll add a word or two into what you said to reinterpret it.

And it happens all the time.

So if he's just asking questions and that's all he's doing, that's fine. I would hope that he would hold to the position that people are going to experience eternal punishment because Punishment is experienced in the Bible. If you're not annihilated, you're not experiencing punishment.

So it really is a very simple refutation of annihilationism. in that respect. But um anyway. You know, so me, you know, I'm a thanks for reminding me, I need to contact him. And see if we can have that discussion.

We've talked before. He's a great guy. He loves the Lord. He's a humble man and just a good man of God. Praise God for him.

Yeah. And I appreciate the work he's been involved in and and I just uh I wish believers would be a little easier on each other just because you may or may not hold to Every single view that someone else does. It's like this man is still a brother of the Lord. I thought he deserved a little bit better than what I saw online, but I guess that's the internet world people like to talk. Yes, it is.

It reminds me I'm probably going to d discuss this with uh when there's no callers coming. But last night I was in a discussion. for an hour with a Catholic. And uh he's very obstreperous uh and It happened frequently that he would repeat something that I said with just a slight modification of it. And Then he attacked that.

And this is something very common among people, not just Christians, but among just people. They're going to hear what they want to hear. They're going to listen to what they are listening for. And if there's any way for them to get something in on you because they think you said it this way, Then they're going to try. A lot of people do that.

And a lot of people also are not very astute when it comes to biblical theology. In fact, last night a guy jumped in. Here's an example: a guy jumped in. and tried to defend the Catholic heretic. And uh Said, we're talking about the hypostatic union, and he says the human nature was joined.

to the divine nature. And I said, look, we're not talking about that right now. And he kept harping on it. He goes, Do you deny that? And I said, the human nature and the divine nature are in union in the person.

You can't say their divine nature is joined to a human nature where they're now combined or glued together. I said that and they said, Oh, you're denying the the incarnation. No, that's not what I'm saying. And I said it again. It's the issue of the The relationship of the natures to the person, and I went into the communication of the properties.

Anyway, it's just an example of the kind of thing that happens frequently when you get something. You get a burr in your craw, as they say. You just, everything is wrong for the opposition. Um it's you know It happens. And so I'm sure that's happened with uh Kirk as well.

Yeah. Uh Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Well, um, yeah, hey, welcome back again, Matt. It was great to talk to you. I really uh Still going strong, and the program has been a blessing to a lot of us out here. Yeah, look forward to talking with you again tomorrow. Laura Willen.

Lord Welland. Lord Welland. I appreciate that, brother. God bless Jermaine. Come on, Ubs.

Visit me. All right? Yes, sir. God bless you now. All right, God bless.

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Okay, so. Every other week I call a guy up. and uh he's not able to drive and we go out and get something to eat. And we talk and etc. And sometimes on the way out, I'll put on a headset and I'll do it, because it takes 25 minutes to get to his house.

His place and I'll just listen to chat rooms, Christian chat rooms. And you know, a lot of times they'll ask me questions. And well, anyway, this happened. And I generally try and take Sundays off. And I won't get online and do stuff like that, but I'm driving, I'm going to listen.

Long story short, guided this discussion with a Catholic. And uh he said I was possessed by demons. He said that um I'm completely illogical that I don't believe what Jesus said. And uh what else did he say? That uh I'm damned.

and I don't belong to the true church. I think he said I was damned. I don't remember correctly. And um He was intelligent and also what I would call obstreperous. Obstreperous means very difficult to work with, and he would interrupt constantly.

And this is what's really interesting. is I'm in this chat room, right? And I said, Please let me finish my sentences. You ask me a question, I go to answer, and then you cut me off, you know? And and after a while I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it to you And I started doing it to him, right, constantly.

And we just became a brawl, a verbal brawl for a minute or two. Just because, you know, I got, I said, I'm just giving it back to you, you know. And. And so it was really interesting.

So, some unI don't know, Catholics and Mormons, whatever, they always joined together. And they complained that I was I was interrupting him and I said, guys, he started it. I said, he's the one who was doing this. I said, I specifically said, I'm going to respond to you the way you are to me.

Now, let me finish. I'm going to jump on you. You know, how come you guys don't get on him for that? This is how it works. When you are there espousing the truth, you're working on the truth, you're trying to preach the truth.

The unbelievers just come out like moles out of the dirt, and they can't see very well. And And they just start chewing on everything. They want to just beat you up. And it's really interesting.

So he said, I get this. I'm going to show you something interesting. This is about exegesis, okay? And uh So we got talked about different topics and Matthew 26, 26 came up. Which is, so while they were eating, Jesus took some bread and after blessing, broke it and gave it to the disciples: said, Take, eat, this is my body.

And he says, I don't believe what Jesus said. He said, let's talk about it. And we'll do that after the break. You want to give me a call? The number is 8772-7222.

072276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show.

Like I said, if you want to give me a call, it's easy. All I have to do is dial 8-77-207-2276. And, um,. You can also email me at info at carm.org. Info at Carm.org.

I just want to say something really fast before I get into the issue of the discussion I had. Each time I get in the radio now, I think about my wife and how many people have prayed for her over the years and then her passing and how many people were very compassionate. And I just want to say thank you to all of you who were praying. And for those who don't know, that she passed away in November, late November. And I just want to say thanks.

And not to harp on it, but just want to say thanks. All right, so I was in this discussion. Oh, and by God's grace, I'm doing okay only because He's the merciful one. And uh I can tell you stuff, but that's it.

So Back to this discussion.

So, um So So he went to Matthew 26:26.

Now, I'm going to read something here, as I did before the break. Jesus says, Take, eat, this is my body.

Now, some really interesting stuff happened. Because the guy in my opinion, knew very well That I knew how to answer him, and so what he was. Uh What he was trying to do. Was fix it so that I could not have any. any way to answer what he challenged.

And he would restrict things. and deny the idea of um of using exegesis and looking at the totality of scripture. When he says, take eat, this is my body. He would not want me to go anyplace else to see what else it would say. like Leviticus 17, 14, when he butchered it.

Oh, he butchered it. And which says that God says you're not to eat the blood of any flesh. He said, Well, that Jesus can make the exception, or Jesus can do this. And it's okay with Jesus. It's just all kind of stuff.

And I had answers for him. And I said So, how do you know it's literal? And he says he's just believing what Jesus said. And I said, Well, Jesus said in John 6. When he's talking about this very topic, he says that he's the bread came out of heaven.

He goes, No, we don't look at John 6, only this verse. And that was his argument. You can't look anyplace else, you can only look at one verse, and you can't look at anything related to it because that's not how you're going to do it.

Now, when someone does that, it tells you something very important that their doctrine is not comprehensive through Scripture, but it's built on a very narrow interpretation of one verse. Maybe two at best. And this is what was happening. And I showed him. His inconsistency there.

And I also showed him, and I asked him, I said, look, let me ask you some questions and see how much you know about philosophy. He said he studied critical thinking in college. And I said, really? Wow. Oh, I couldn't tell.

And So I said, look, let me ask you some some questions here. I said, is is A circle is a necessary property of circle roundness. And he finally gave the answer, well, yes. I said, so it's an essential property. You can't have circleness without the essential property of roundness, right?

That's correct. I said, what's the essential property of the body of Christ in his physical form? And he actually started saying, well, it doesn't say physical. Just, you know, it's ridiculous. I said, well, was Jesus in a physical body?

Well, what do you mean by physical? It's just, you know, and all the people in the room are rooting for this guy. Like, man, it's bad. And so I finally got him to admit that Jesus was in an actual physical body. And then I said, So when he said, This is my body, and he gave him the bread, was it actually his physical body?

Didn't say physical, dude, it's what you said earlier. And finally, he said, Well, yes, it's his physical body. I said, So, what are the essential properties? that are that go with it. And he started talking about what's called accidental properties, which is height and weight and color and things like this.

They can vary. I said, I'm not talking about it. And about five or six times, I told the guy, it's not about the acc we're called the accidentals. What we're talking about is the essentials. And he couldn't do it.

He couldn't do it. And he says, I'm just going to believe what Jesus says. And I said, the laws of logic exist because they are reflections of the mind of God. Get into the transcendental abstract entities, which are those laws that are based in the trienne nature of God Himself. I said, you can't have something that's illogical be true.

Yeah. And then someone jumps in.

Well, God could do all things. All things are possible with Him. He just. Views. I think we were talking about Mary at that point, but anyway.

So it was just a good example last night of people who can't think, well, because. They're brainwashed. just like the Muslims are brainwashed. The Muslims And the hardcore Catholics and the obstreperous atheists are all alike. They don't listen.

They claim the absolute truth. They won't really adapt to an argument. And when it doesn't go well for them, they start trying to dominate and cut you off all the time. And it just anyway, just my observations. All right, there you go.

So let's get to James from Indiana. Hey, James, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you doing? By God's grace, I'm hanging in there, Realer.

What do you got, man? Hey, I just want to thank you. I've been listening for. For about two months now.

Okay. Um got tons of questions, but I've been I've been on TikTok and I watch a lot of your TikToks and uh Um, I get a lot I've gotten a lot of my questions answered, so Well good. That's all I got. You're breaking up a little. You got what?

Oh, I'm sorry.

Okay. Can you hear me better now? Yes. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I've been going to church and We have about a fifteen minute sermon on Sunday.

And come Wednesday I'm slipping.

Okay. Okay. Are you there still? Until.

Okay. You're still.

Well, until I found your broadcast. Until I found you.

Okay. Okay. Brother, it looks like you're breaking up. I'm not hearing you.

Okay. How's that? I I will find out. I mean, I'm trying to hear you and you'll see something that is dead for two or three seconds and then, you know, that's emotional. That's emotions.

Oh, okay. All right, brother. I got you. All right.

So go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead. Anyways, um Listen to your radio show and your TikTok says, uh, How It's helped a bunch. God. Praise God, man. I just wanted you to know that.

Okay. Um like I said I Most of my questions now are more search-based instead of doctrine-based. That's okay. I can answer those too.

Well I'm not going to take up too much of your time because I'm just going to keep listening.

Well, I'm going to make videos and We got nobody waiting right now. It's up to you. I guess um We just joined the Global Methodist Church. Our church did. The Global Methodist Church?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure what that means. But I called you a few weeks ago about being a member. And then you ran out of time and we couldn't get to it.

Okay. But I know you talked about like female preachers and stuff like that. Yes. And And we have one. Like as a backup.

Um now, are they allowed to go to seminary? I guess is my question. No, you don't have to go to seminary, but women are not to be pastors and elders. And oh we can. We had a break, so hold on, brother.

Okay, I want you to stay on, okay? And we'll talk about this and why this is so important, okay?

So hold on. Hey folks, be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2027. I'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Alright everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with James from Indiana. James, are you still there? Yeah.

All right, brother. Um So, global methodism, what I did was during the break, I went and. took a look and uh So they do allow women uh ordination. And that's a problem. I was I'm looking at some of their stuff in their PDF transitional discipline and stuff like that, and the Affirmative Trinity, and it looks good there.

And I was actually pleasantly surprised to see that baptism is for children as well, which I'd it'd be interested to know their covenantal aspect on that, but that's just a curiosity. Um The Wesleyan Way. when they asked uh to vote to to be the End of the global Um I was not technically a member, so my vote didn't count. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, I couldn't vote for that, so. Yeah. Yeah, they have the right as an organization to require an official membership.

Now, it's not a requirement in the Bible. But that's you know they have the right to do that So let's get back to this main issue that I've seen here. The issue is women elders.

Now, why is this significant? Because 80%, well, first of all, first of all, this is not the primary reason, but. In my research, 80% of the groups, denominations and churches that adopt women pastors and elders within a generation, or within two generations, start approving of homosexuality. And this is uh really bad. And so Well, I think this is what we we voted to get away from Okay, good.

Um, allowing that in our church. Good, that's good.

So what happens what doesn't mean everybody who affirms who've been pastors will go into this. It's just eighty percent. That was my calculations and the research I did. It took me a few weeks of gathering information and putting things together.

So, but the primary thing is that an ordained minister, you know, a preacher, pastor, Is to be male and not female because the Bible says that. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, I I mean, see she only takes Um The puppet, you know. here and there.

Yeah, she's wrong for doing it. And I don't disenjoy her sermons.

Okay, she's wrong for doing it. She shouldn't be up there. It's wrong.

Okay. So I'm looking at their docket. How do I take that up? With a turkey. I'm looking at their document.

It says Reverend Dr. Leah is one. Person, a bishop Lindsay. Bishop is the Greek word episkopos. And episcopos in 1 Timothy 3, the bishops, is to be the husband of one wife.

Period. And the same with Presbuteras, elder, and Diakonas, deacon. And Paul says he does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain silent for Adam was first created. 1 Timothy 2. 12 and 13.

So if she's in the pulpit preaching Then she's in that place of spiritual authority over men in the church, and she is wrong for doing that. And the global Methodist Church should not allow it if they're going to be biblical.

Okay. Okay. So, what positions can they hold in the church then? Anything else but. Do all kinds of stuff.

They can't be deacons, elders, or pastors, or bishops. They can do anything and everything else. The teaching place is due to what's called federal headship, which is anchored in the very Trinitarian nature of God. and has to do with federal headship and the male representation. And it gets into the theology of this and why it's stated the way it is when Paul says, I do not allow anyone to teach or exercise authority over man, but remain silent, for Adam was first created.

He's tying it to the created order. has to do with what's called primogeniture. the first born male has certain rights that the next born male does not. And this is a Jewish cultural thing, and it Paul ties it into Adam being the the first created. Because the Jew would understand.

Oh, we know exactly what that's, but he's the preeminent one.

So, in the Jewish culture, like I have two younger brothers, I'm the oldest brother.

Well, in the Jewish culture two thousand years ago I would get a greater inheritance than my brothers would. Because I'm the oldest brother. Whether they'll like it or not, that's just how it was done. This kind of thing. I think it's still done like that in my family.

Yeah, could be.

So, I would not trust a church that had women, pastors, and elders because I can't get it right there, but it's clear in scripture. it's clear. How can I trust them to get other things right when it comes to, let's just say, debatable issues? And then like I said, eighty percent of the churches in two generations end up becoming even more liberal. I mean, I I guess it happens like, you know, when the pastor is ill.

or something like that. It usually seems like it's short notice. Yeah, she should not be up there. I don't care for the short notice. I don't care.

A man who's an elder needs to get up and fill and fill the pulpit. That's it. See, and here I'll do this again. Here, I've done this for years and years and years. You know, I don't hate women.

That's not it. I'm not a misogynist, a patriarchy, all the stupidity. It's just what the Bible says.

Some people will say that. Yeah, because they're just, yeah, they just don't believe the Bible in that area. And so, what I do periodically when this comes up, I just issue my same challenge I've been doing for 21 years now. on radio. Look.

I will come out. Unlike most of your callers, I'm just trying to listen to you. You know, it's going to argue with you. I know, no, I know. And then I hear you.

No, I'm saying here's a challenge I offer on the radio. to people Say when this comes up, I say, I will fly up to your church and debate the topic: does the Bible permit? women, pastors, and elders. And I've never had a single church or anybody take me up on it. In 21 years?

I don't doubt it. Yeah. Well, I mean, unlike most of your TikToks, and really should have just a mic drop. The what's a microphone? No, your TikTok should end with you just doing a mic drop on these people.

I mean, literally, I mean, I do it for you a lot of times. I'm like. 'Cause A couple of years ago I just thought well Wife started dragging me to church, and I say that because that's how it was. I thought that's just some guy up there You know, maybe he was a plumber last week. You know, I don't know.

So I actually read the Bible in 10 months. Good. Cover to cover. And uh because I thought, you know. I'm not going to let her beat me on this.

I'm gonna know If what I'm hearing is the stories are true.

So And I agree with everything. I'm glad I did it. Um, but even when I did that, I was told to start with the book of Matthew. And I thought, well I've never started a book in the middle. Yeah.

You know, I've not read many in my life, but I've always started at the beginning. And that's the way I read it. Um And then after I read it, I listened to it read to me. Again. And followed along and made highlights and whatever and stuff like that.

Um But like I said, you know Hmm, that sort of sermon on Sunday. I I'm slipping by Wednesday. I I I know I am. with my language and so on and Bets. Since I've been listening to you, I've not I've not slipped.

Well, um okay, praise the courses I have I I search at TikToks. And I find the answers to a lot of the questions I had, even after. you know, two years ago reading the Bible, That don't get answered on Sunday. Um specifically So I probably walked twenty or thirty year TikToks in just the last five weeks or so, five or six weeks.

Okay. Hopefully, you're learning. I don't join in or don't comment because I don't have a very good phone signal at home, but I'm able to view them. And that's all. I mean, I learned quick.

I'm a good listener, and I'm not going to. Question. Because I know you're going to cover it sooner or later. Friday. Good.

And some of them you've covered already.

So But the the global thing was one I had a question with because Since I wasn't allowed to vote, I wasn't sure really what we were voting for.

Well, um. And I don't feel like, I don't feel like becoming one. Um for that reason. I mean, I don't know if that's good or bad, but Um I just I'm one of them. anti-click people, you know, I don't want to belong to nothing.

Yeah. as far as like a membership, like it tractor supply or you know video stores, I just I have no ties to nothing. I don't feel I need to Um I do a lot of volunteer work there. A lot of volunteer work in my community, a lot of donating. Um So I feel like I'm pretty safe there.

Okay. to something weekly, daily. Um Starts my day out good. Because I drive a long way to work, and usually by the time I get there, I'm already mad at somebody. you know, and that that seems I'm kind of a Wild one wired sort of so to speak, but it keeps it uh I just wanted to tell you I appreciate it.

Well, you're welcome, man. I appreciate that. That's good. Will God bless. Yeah.

Oh, there's a break. Good timing. All right, brother. God bless James. I've been driving around the block.

I've been driving around the block for like 20 minutes, so I'm going to pull into my driveway now.

Okay, well, perfect timing. God bless James. You got to go. There's a hard break. All right, but I call back later time.

Okay, God bless. Hey folks, we'll be right back out for these messages. If you want, give me a call, 8772-07-2276. be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Okay, everyone, welcome back to the show. We're in the last segment of the hour. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get on with Jonathan from Ohio.

Jonathan, welcome. You're on the air. Hello. I'm at the top. Hi.

How you doing there? Yeah. Uh good.

Okay, good.

So what do you got?

Okay. I just kind of had a question about nuns, I guess. It's a pretty random question. I guess I was just kind of like. I don't know, just curious about them, I guess.

Like, are they, um like is like are they wrong or like what exactly do they do? Or I don't know, yeah. Yeah, a a nun is a woman who has dedicated herself to a certain theological, ecclesiastical um work. and they dedicate themselves to God, they take religious vows. And they typically live in convents or monasteries.

Sometimes they'll work at churches, Catholics, generally speaking. Uh they take vows. Of poverty and chastity to not be married to a human male. You know, on earth, they sometimes will do a marriage ceremony of being married to Jesus. Mm-hmm.

Um so they will uh also help in varying ways like running schools or orphanages, caring for people.

So Oh. kind of stuff okay Okay, yeah. Yeah. Uh, by the way, I'm a thirteen, so I'm a teenager. I like to listen to your show.

You're you're a thirteen-year-old teenager. Good. Good. All good. I hope you're learning.

Yeah, I really appreciate your show. I really enjoyed listening to it and uh biblical doctrine and stuff. And I you're doing a lot a lot of work in helping a lot of people. And I just want to let you know that you're impacting more than just adults. I actually like it when the youth call.

I really enjoy that. I think the youngest I ever had was like a six-year-old, a young girl. Yeah, and her dad was there in the background. And, you know, Coaching nerve. It was really cute and it was great, and I enjoyed that.

All right.

Yeah, that's a bit cool.

Okay. All right, we appreciate that.

Well, thanks a lot, Jonathan. God bless, buddy. Keep studying. Thanks. Thank you.

Yep. See ya. Bye.

Okay. See ya bye. All right, now let's get to Melanie from Ohio. Melanie, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you so much. I wanted to refer back to the previous conversation on the Global Methodist And women in the pulpit. I am 69 years old. I was raised since birth in the United Methodist Church. Oh my, they went off the rails.

forty years ago, you know, with uh homosexuality and so forth. And I started seeing this. The reason I'm mentioning this is you are absolutely correct. On the statement that they start ingratiating the women into things that are not biblical, and before you know it, Ten, twenty years. Then the homosexuality issue.

Is also now present. And that is literally the way it portrayed out in the United Methodist Church, at least where I was from. And it started probably when I was in my teens, that many of the women. outspoken women. I think they were actually closet lesbians.

We're starting to Demand that the Bible be changed to reflect God as her. And she Okay. It was just stunning, you know, just stunning. And then that progressed into women starting to go into the pulpits and so forth. And then most of us know that the United Methodist Church has just gone completely overboard.

in having ordained homosexual ministers marriage, et cetera, all of that.

So I too checked out the the Global Methodist, hoping to keep my Methodist faith and discovered the female portion and I thought well That's just a matter of time till you know, they they haven't strictly stepped away. They have just personally. Partially gotten it right, but not all the way. And it's becoming more and more and more difficult to find a denomination. that is true to the Bible.

Yeah. Yeah, there are groups out there that are good. Generally speaking, the reformed camp. are are generally pretty good. The Baptists are two, but the Baptist groups are starting to I've heard different things are starting to slide a little bit too.

Right, I've heard that even in the Southern Baptist, you know, they're now, I don't remember the term off the top of my head, but. They're not Managed by a hierarchy. They're kind of independent. And some of them are going their own way on certain things as well. Yeah, and uh I'd like to look at different situations, individual groups, and things like that.

It's just a lot of research. It's the kind of thing you do for a dissertation for a degree. Yeah, it it's it's biblical. Why don't you just believe what the Bible says? Just believe it.

Well, that's right. I was thinking about the gentleman who was trying to go on TikTok for answers. Thankfully, he was moving to your site. The place to go for your questions to be answered is in the Bible. And we may not always get our answer right away.

That is the beauty of repetition: reading and reading and reading. I've done my Bible. Oh, from cover to cover, I don't know how many times. And each time I'll have notes in the margin, and each time I'm like, oh. Wait, I'm wrong about that.

Now I read it more clearly.

So, you know, God doesn't reveal everything to us. on the first go-through. It's meant to be something that we absorb and think about and really ponder and go back for more. Yeah. Yeah, and that's exactly correct.

Go ahead. Oh, I just wanted to support you and to Please never give up on, I know this women in the pulpit thing can be kind of a hot button in certain circles. But please don't give up on that because we have Lost so much in our society by stepping away from the traditional roles that have been defined by God. And everybody's supposed to be equal. And the fact is, Okay, we're equal in God's side as far as the value, but we all have different roles and different purposes to play out in life.

And I just find it horrifying that You know, everybody's supposed to be neutral. A neutral playing field for everyone, and we're just not all the same. We're just not supposed to be not built the same. Yeah, we're not supposed to be neutral. We're supposed to be biblical.

Right, exactly.

So, I want to support you and say, please don't stop this, even though people don't. invite you to their churches. This is such an importance. Dance and One of my childhood friends, she was actually the daughter of our senior pastor. Grew up, went to college, got pregnant, no dad, no husband, I should say, no one claimed.

parenting this child. came back with her new baby, graduating from Bible College. and went on to become a Methodist minister. And I thought, well, That figures. you know, she doesn't define or she doesn't follow the definition of the elder's one uh husband and wife.

Yet it's even worse, you know, a a a child out of wedlock and yet Still a minister. And I know that we all Yeah, it's a processing. Mm-hmm. I know we all make mistakes, we're all sinners, but there is a point where you have to have a boundary of who is your leader. You know, that reminds me, I was listening a few days ago on the radio to a local Christian station, and they had this guy on who said he had committed adultery.

And uh while he was preaching And he had started a church and he started commit after two or three years started committing adultery for a couple of years or something like that. And it finally came out. And so he was removed from the pulpit. And now he's back in. And I'm sitting there going, but that's not biblical.

The elder is supposed to be above reproach. That is definitely a disqualification for him. He's a disqualifying. And I'm yelling at the radio: why don't you believe what the Word of God says?

So many people don't because they subject truth to their feelings.

Well, and it's so simple if we just give our hearts over to God. I always say it's tongue-in-cheek. God has given us an owner's manual for life, and it's called the Bible. If we follow that, That doesn't mean life is always perfect, but we certainly avoid a lot of traps, a lot of problems. And it gives you a foundation.

That does work because the individual, the God, the Creator. is telling us this is how you should live life. That's right. Why wouldn't we listen to who he does to tell us how? Yeah, use everyone.

They do it right now. Yeah, no problem.

Well, I really appreciate that, Melanie. I do. I won't keep you, but just again, thank you so much for holding true to that. And don't ever go quiet on it because it's just too critical. Thank you.

I hope we continue, and we need that support, though, when people don't know it. I don't beg, I don't, you know, but we need that support to stay on the air.

So I'll just let you know. Anyone else out there?

Okay. Yeah. All right, well thanks a lot. All right, well go back. You're welcome.

Okay. Thank you. All right, let's get to Dylan from North Carolina. Dylan, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, what's up, man? Oh, just we're doing radio. What do you got, buddy? Yeah, I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the Church of Christ. I've been going to this church for couple years and Then having a, not questions about it, but just trying to figure out just a little bit more about it from anybody and everybody that knows something.

I'm just wondering what your thoughts were on the tip of Christ. It's a cult. Stay away from it. Why do you think that? Because they deny the true gospel.

They add baptism by immersion in their church as a requirement for salvation. They teach that you can lose your salvation if you don't adhere to in part their particular teachings and stuff like that. in their church.

Okay, baptism is not necessary for salvation, but you should get baptized.

So they denied justification by faith alone in Christ alone.

Okay. All right.

I'm dead serious. Then you go to Acts 2.38. They're going to go to 1 Peter 3:21 and John 3. 3-5. I know the verses, and I've argued these things with him countless times.

And with Lo let me just tell you this. We only have a couple minutes in the show left. Look. Salvation is by grace through faith. Justification is a legal declaration of righteousness.

at Romans four five. Justifications by faith. Paul says to the one who does not work, but believes. In Him who justifies the ungodly, His faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4.5.

What they'll say is baptism is necessary by dunking in their system in order to be saved. What they're doing is saying you're not justified by faith. Could I ask him? Does the Bible say we're justified by faith? They'll say yes, and I say then are we justified by faith when we have faith?

And then they'll say, Well, you have to get baptized. I didn't ask that. I know what questions to ask, and I know how to answer their arguments. It's not a Christian church. It teaches a false gospel.

Okay. Okay. You need to leave it. You need to leave. And I'll challenge them to a public debate on is baptism necessary?

Is water baptism by immersion necessary for salvation?

Okay. Yeah. Okay? You may be shocked. But this is what the Bible teaches, and it's not a Christian church.

Stay away from it. Okay? Call back tomorrow if you want to ask me about particular verses and I'll show you what the verses say, not what they say they say. I know how to do that, okay? We gotta go, buddy.

Call back tomorrow if you want.

Alright, thank you. All right.

Hey folks, be right back. No, you won't be right back. We'll be back tomorrow, Lord willing. Um So uh yeah. Have a good evening.

May the Lord bless you. We'll talk to you tomorrow. God bless. Bye.

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