Matt Slick Live

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Maybe if I hit the right button, it might help. Hey, welcome to this show, everybody. It's a nice Monday. It's October 20th, 2025. We ask that if you want, you can give me a call.

It's easy, 877. Two zero seven two two seven six and um I had an interesting weekend. I had an interesting computer problem and I solved it. I'm going to talk about this. It's not that big a deal.

It's just that I like talking about computer stuff. And my printer, wh when I whenever I would use it, would start restart the computer. And I did some research on it, and they said basically It can be uh An old power supply that's just getting weak.

So I changed the power supply out and uh and solve it. I'm proud of myself. You know, it's nice having been a tech. You can you can do that kind of a thing.

So Yeah, kudos to me. All right, thanks. That was a lot of fun.

So I did a two-mile walk today. And uh I hurt my back a couple of weeks ago, so I gave it a couple of weeks, and now I'm starting back into walk. And I got online and was in a room discussing stuff about theodos. It was a really nice, polite conversation. And then someone asked um a question, one thing led to another, and I talked about Genesis chapter 3.

In Genesis chapter 3, verse 1, Satan says to Eve, Did God really say? And I said, What's really happening here is that. The enemy Wants us to doubt God's word and then. You know, she altered God's word. And then they started arguing with me.

It was so interesting. And they started arguing and say, well, it doesn't say that. That he didn't, that Adam didn't say that to her. It says, I know, I know, it didn't, you know, you know, because as Eve says, uh, you're not to eat of the tree or touch it. And I said, Yeah, I know.

But we can assume from that what is in the text that Adam told it to her. And I think he's capable of repeating exactly what God said, because he named thousands of animals. He was quite intelligent linguistically, intelligently. He is very good. I'm sure he was able to to convey accurately what God actually said.

And they actually wanted to fight about that. Yeah. You know, is this it is amazing. And I said, Look, I said, uh w you know, we could also say that uh Adam went to Venus, took a vacation, and then came back and then gave her the message. You don't argue from what it doesn't say, you argue from what it does say.

We just draw conclusions from what it says.

Well, yeah, but you can't and and uh then I said, Look, guys, guys, look, if if we're done. And um then a guy called me a name.

Okay. And I said, okay, I'm out. And uh I don't know if these guys are Christians or not, but let me just tell you that it's. It's amusing to me what people will do. And then, let's see, what night was it?

Friday night, Saturday night. I was on TikTok, and a Muslim comes in and he asks how I count God. And I know what he's talking about. I know, I get it. And it has to do with sortles and categories and different categorizations of counting.

And I said that to him. I said, Look, I'm familiar with this argument. And I said, We count things related to their essence. I said, The instantiation of personhood in God is different than the instantiation of personhood with humans, because there can be multiple instantiations with humans, but only one with God by definition. And he didn't like that.

And that is the answer. And you count accordingly. And so he said, Well, how do you count? And I go like this: one. You're done.

That's it. And so then he started getting, let's just say, very, very obstreperous. And I kept repeating: look, he doesn't know. Anyway, and so he put up a video about me saying basically I didn't know what I was doing. It's interesting that those people have to work, not those, but just unbelievers, have to work so hard to condemn themselves.

They want to deny God, they work hard for it. They work hard for denying it. And when I give them an answer, and then they ignore the answer, and that's what the case was, he just ignored the answer and thought he had me. I go, no, no, no, no, no. the common response is that you count things related to, um their essence with the ontological categorization is that's what a sortal is.

Anyway. you know just stuff That's my weekend. And uh So here we are, and I went into, let's see, I'm always witnessing, and I went into the virtual world. and uh was in there. the pattern.

People they they notice me and they'll talk politely for a little while. and then as the conversation goes on they get more obstreperous. They become more difficult. They don't like what I'm saying, and they think that I'm not being truthful, or honest, or logical. I said, Well, let's talk.

And then they get just. Whiny? They get whiny. And I say, look, why don't you stick with the argument? And then they start calling me names.

And then I go, okay, I'm out. Oh, you're going to run like a baby. You know, just, wow. And.

So, people know that if they just become rude, I'm gone, you know, let's talk. And so they try and hold themselves together as long as they can before they implode and start whining like little babies. Whah, whah. And then they get upset.

So that that was my weekend. Um And uh, what was it? Oh, yeah, I watched the last episode of um Alien Earth. Man, that's well done. Man, that's good.

Whoa, I like that show. I'm an Aliens fan.

So, uh, alright, having said all of that in name persiflage, um I wanted to tell you that this coming Saturday. We are going to release the website, the new website. It's going to be done on Saturday. relative my time. which uh will be uh we know right after midnight and It'll be 25 years I mean it's gonna be 30 years old on the 25th.

Now, on Friday, here on the radio, I want to have Josh and Peter on. Josh and Peter have been working with me for a few years in time on developing the website. With Joshua, a lot longer than Peter. Peter's really good. They both love the Lord.

They're good guys. And we're going to have them on the air, and we're going to just talk about the website, the new website, and ministry and things like that. The new website really is going to be something. But most of it is behind the scenes, and they're going to explain some things. about what's going on and the future of stuff and um Hopefully it'll be an interesting conversation.

And then Saturday We'll probably do it around um 8 p.m. Eastern Time. Where I will release an EVMux URL on a certain page on Carn, which I'll announce later. And then everybody can just come in. And then they can comment about Carm.

We can have a discussion about the Carm site, like or don't like, just things like that. And it'll be kind of a testimonial day on October 25th, the 30th anniversary of Carm, which has had about 168 million visitors.

Now there's lots of sites out there with a lot more. But the Carm website is d different. Things. It's basically one of the oldest, if not the oldest, Christian Apologetics website. I don't know if there's anyone older, I don't know.

But it back back in the day, twenty years ago, um if you searched for something theological, Karm came up. It was almost always on the front page of Google, first, uh, second, third, fourth uh spots. And then other websites started coming in, and we lost a lot of our rankings because others are doing the same thing, and Google does different. algorithms. And So, you know, that's okay.

But here's the thing is that one of the the aspects of karm. that we want to talk about is a trust factor.

Now you can go to the CARM website and look up the statement of faith. You can just type in the search engine statement of faith. And It'll show you'll you'll see it.

Now this statement of faith. is detailed. It's not like your average statement of faith. Where we believe in the Trinity, Jesus is God, salvation only through Him. Thank you very much.

Let's go home now. And that's some church's statement of faith. This one is very long. It probably would print up in, I'm thinking, five to ten, maybe yeah, about ten pages. And the reason is so long.

There's a reason for this. I'm going to explain this. There's a reason. You see, Because of legality. I was told this by a lawyer.

You need to make sure that your statement of faith. is such that if anyone ever sues you for discrimination or prejudice, whatever it is, that you've had a record in your statement of faith of your position theologically, biblically. Because then they can't say that we're suddenly of being unfair. Because I could even want to sell. And we haven't been sued yet.

But Um, hold on.

So What we have in that statement of faith is a two-prong approach. It's detailed.

So that you can know exactly what the position of the CARM website is and the CARM ministry. But it's also detailed in that you can be, you know, people who work with us can be all-mail, pre-mail, post-mail. They can be reformed or not reformed. Those are those are fine. We we recognize those.

Pre-trib rapture, post-trip rapture. Because we talk about those in the website on the Statement of Faith. And say those are within the doctrines that are acceptable within Christianity, and there are divisions that we can are allowed to have. In these essentials, you can't violate. We make statements about sexuality, gender affirmation, evolution, and things like this.

And we modify it periodically when new social issues come up so that people understand this is where we are, and this is the biblical reason.

So that's one thing that we do for legal reasons. But the other one is you can then know that whoever writes on Carm. That's another topic. Whoever writes on karm must agree to that statement of faith, and so you can trust their orthodoxy.

So, karm has what we call a trust factor. You know that if you go to the Carm website, you're going to get theologically precise, biblically relevant articles.

Now, I'm not saying that other sites aren't like that. I'm just saying Harm? We work at that. Having said all of that, I've talked to two guys recently. And girls are welcome to, but we've talked to two guys in person.

About having them right for karm. We're going to start this soon. I just talked to a guy today. And um another guy And one of the things they have to do is sign a covenant with us. A covenant.

Is just non-binding. It's, you know, you're going to church, you know, you're not a serial killer, you're not this or that, you don't need a good standing. It's basic stuff. And uh And then we also, for people, the newbies, I've known these guys, but for the newbies, we need to have a phone number of an elder that we can talk to. And, you know, how is the person okay?

You know, not perfect, but you know, okay. Yeah, yeah, good. Go to church for lunch. Nothing, no problems. Oh, okay, thanks.

Bye. You know, just stuff like that. And what we want to do is gain a lot of writers. Who then can write on their particular topics. on all kinds of things and we Will have this trust factor that will continue with them.

So that as we get into stuff, we're going to be moving that direction quite a bit more. And we're going to start having something called Carm Talks. And then we're also going to start having seminars where we're going to start providing video work. And then one of the goals is to provide written booklets and things like this in seminars that you can then learn from as we get other people in. And so I'm pursuing different people.

I mentioned last week, we're having trouble with our newsletter thing. Hopefully, it's fixed today. And after the show today, I'll work on it. And I'm going to try and send a newsletter out signifying where to go on the Carm site if you want to become a writer. And in fact, if you just go to the Carm homepage right now, you can see it.

It's right there. On the Carm homepage, it just says writers. It's a time to go there and check it out. And you don't have to have a college degree, you don't have to have a seminary degree. You just have to be biblically astute.

You have to be mature in your faith, and you have to be able to write, and we can help you with that, and you have to agree to the statement of faith. You have to. Sign a covenant and agree to the statement of faith. We want an email, you know, it says that you agree to the statement of faith, and here's the covenant that you just agreed to. And that's what we just file it away.

And that's all we're going to do.

So we really are going to be working on this as time goes. procedure. All right, Doug from Indiana is after the break. We have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, the number.

This is 8772. 072276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All Rodubin, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call on That's wonderful. October 20th, all you gotta do is dial 877. 2276. Got a hiccup there.

And if you want to email me, that's easy too. Just send an email to info at carm.org. Info at CARM.org. Yeah. All right, let's go to Doug from Indiana.

Doug, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how are you doing? Good to hear from you. You listen to that.

I want to. Thank you. Thank God for. your show. I think you're doing an awesome thing.

But I just want to make a comment to all my Christian brothers and sisters out there. not to give up the fight. You know, sometimes we can Yeah. getting our everyday life and you know, we as Christians It's so easy to sit back and look at everything that's going on in the world and say, you know, well, that's just going to happen in the Bible. you can't stop it, it's going to happen.

But you know what? we're called to go out and those people that are lost They are going against God's word. We need to try to Try to talk 'em Talk them into There's some some kind of way of saving their life through Christ. And I just don't want people to give up because it's easy. It's easy to sit back and see all this stuff going on and and say, well, it's going to happen regardless of what I do.

But you know what? If you could say one soul out of a hundred, You're doing something. For God's kingdom.

So please keep going on. and fight the fight. That's right. That's all I wanted to, you know, comment on, you know. 'Cause I I look every day.

I watch the Israel News every day. I watch the the the news going on with the At 0 a.m. and I you know, I try to get all the the good ones, but But I mean these kids out there that are so lost they don't have a clue what they're fighting for. And if we're not telling them, you know, the right things, they're going to go for the wrong things. Yes.

Uh you know, I was watching s a lot of the news this weekend and um Seeing the youth And the commentators about everything as they They talk about solutions. to the problems. Um And they keep missing. They keep missing the whole thing. And the point is, without God, Uh you your your phone you're it can't function, not in our society.

And so they've taken God away and the anchor of truth in the The Protestant Reformation ideology is gone from this country. And so we're having all kinds of problems and the pundits they just continue to miss it. And we have to get We have to g get our morals back. And we need a foundation of morality that needs to be taught. And um it's really unfortunate.

In fact, it reminds me of the uh 45 goals of communism, which I think I'll go through. we hang up and talk about what what what's going on in our country. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, okay. All right.

Well, thank you, Matt. I appreciate everything that you're doing. And keep the fight going, buddy. Oh, I'm fighting. I know you are.

I know you are. I appreciate you. Thank God. Yeah, thank God. All right, brother, God bless you.

All right.

Well, God bless you too. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Well, let's see. We have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, it's easy.

So the number is 877-207. Two, two, seven, six. give me a call. You know, every now and then I talk about this because it's an important thing. People are familiar with this.

I'm gonna spend a little time on there, but nobody waiting right now. Our country's in in bad shape. I'm actually getting more and more concerned for uh the possibility of civil war. And I'm not advocating it, and I don't want that. But I just keep seeing the polarization that's occurring.

And the the left The the left is just violent and intolerant. And I experience this regularly. When I go into bring chat rooms where there are the leftists in control, oh, they're full of intolerance and hatred. And that's not an exaggeration. They condemn, they mock, they don't listen, they don't care, and they are full of anger.

And so, this is the kind of thing that is incendiary. I'm really concerned.

So As a theologian, I'm concerned with the The moral integrity of our country and the unity of our country. And because we don't have that unity in the goals of Christianity, then we're going to have something else, and it's secularism. And that's just going to lead to fracturization and the fall of our country.

Well, in uh nin March of nineteen sixty one, The forty five goals of Communism were f published in what's called The Naked Communist. It was a a uh newspaper. These goals were red. into the Congressional record by Albert S. Herlong on january tenth, nineteen sixty three.

They are stated means which Communist Russia could there means by which they could overthrow the United States. This was done, this is a means by which they can destroy the United States.

Now what I'm going to do is go through some of these. And I I have the list on my website. You can go to carm.org, the 45 goals of communism. And I'm not going to read every one of them. But what I'm going to do is go to the ones that I have underlined because I think those are the Uh th they're more prominent.

Okay. Not that all of them aren't important. Anyway, number four is Permit free trade between all nations regardless of common. Communist affiliation. and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war, Now This is a communist goal and the American uh empire, so to speak, America, United States, is trading with Russia.

And uh which is communist and uh it presently trading with uh China. Which is coming we shouldn't do that. It empowers them. It strengthens them. It gives them more money.

Y you don't want that. McGrada number 15, capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

Now, Democrats or Republicans. Which one? Ladies and gentlemen, Which one, Democrats or Republicans? Do you think is more in line with the communists Goals.

Okay. It's just a we go in with those communist goals are you know um I uh I was watching the news uh today and I saw uh some of the Antifa stupidity and people uh saying no kings and that one of the signs was clearly communist. It was people rise up. people's rights, get rid of the wealthy. This is a communist idea.

And where are they getting these ideas? They're getting them in schools. And this is important because number 17 says, get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism. and current Communist propaganda soften the curriculum, Get control of teachers' associations.

Put the party line in textbooks. That has happened.

So our schools are bastions of socialist thought. and Communist propaganda.

soften the curriculum, Um I can tell you. Uh that uh having experienced college, And then uh in a secular c context, The brainwashing? and the lack of critical thinking that was Taught. by the teachers to the students. With a leftist agenda, I was in the middle of it.

And I battled them. It was very easy. Be pretty good to do.

So anyway, we'll be right back, folks. African's message, we'll get to more of this. I think it's interesting. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. We have two callers waiting, but I want to get to give me a couple, three minutes. I'm going to go through some more of these. these forty-five goals of communism.

I'm going to skip a lot of them, or just go through them quickly. Infiltrate the press, that's one thing, a news media. gain control of key positions in radio, T V and motion pictures. Um discredit American culture. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and T V. present homosexuality and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy. infiltrate the churches, replace revealed religion with social religion, discredit the Bible. Eliminate prayer. or any phase of religious expression in the schools.

Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step, etcetera. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who have no concern for the common man. They're doing this now. by saying they're slave owners, they're this and that they're discrediting them.

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it is only a minor part of the big picture. I remember this very clearly. My mom, back in the 1970s, She had books, her history books, from her high school days. She still had them. And in 1970, I graduated high school in 1975.

I took my history book. I was telling her, I took it home, and I was. doing homework, we talked about something and she said, What? And I said, yeah, it says this right here. We got her book and my book and looked at the same stuff.

and it was radically different. radically different in how it was presented, And you could tell in the books in the 70s, it was against America. You tell. Here's some more goals. Support any socialist movements to give centralized control over any part of the culture.

Education, social agencies Welfare programs. This is all from the Commons Manifesto stuff. discredit and ev eventually dismantle the FBI. That hasn't happened yet, but they're trying to. The Mormons are getting in there.

Infiltrate and gain control of big business. Oh man, I mean, Google, for example, is liberal. Amazon, the guys are liberal. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from police to social agencies. This is what the DEI moron are trying to do.

in certain cities. Uh let's see, discredit the family as an institution. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. In other words, consider parents. To be a problem.

Does that sound familiar? Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition. Does that sound familiar? Repealed certain things about the world court, blah, blah, blah.

So we can go on and on. Folks. We're under attack. What's the solution? It's not to put a bandaid on this, not to put a splint on it.

The standard needs to be based in God as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, excuse me, the Declaration of Independence says. That's what needs to happen. We need to get a the Christian roots of our country. And I can go through and provide quotes from the early c the colonies that said in their constitutions, you can't hold office unless you're a Christian. Why?

Because they understood, and the constitutional fathers understood, our kind of government can't work. unless it's Christian. Because only then those people who are in power Well, then I answer to God, Instead of Insider trading. Instead of taking kickbacks. And this is what's happening.

Yeah, we're under attack. Let's get to Cece from North Carolina. CC, welcome, you're on the air. Hi. Oh, what did you talk about?

Hi, Matt. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Uh-huh. Sure.

What do you got?

So I'm actually on my way right now driving to my my Bible study.

Okay. Godly ladies. And um I've just been feeling it a little bit more About using the use of Chat GPT as part of our Bible study. Like I enjoy chatting. Yeah.

real estate agent. I use it in my own business. It's extremely helpful.

However, when it comes to using with the with um inter any interpretation or to make sense. Of the Bible. I just, I've been feeling a little conflicted about it because. it it that's more of like the flesh and man and intellectualizing something that does not bring in the Holy Spirit. Which I think that the law Yeah, I'm working on articles.

I'm working on articles on AI. and I use AI every day. Except for Sundays when I take a day off. Every day. I use it all the time.

I don't recommend Chat GPT because the main founder of it is basically a pretty intense pagan. Pretty ungodly. There's there's better ones. Claude, C-L-A-U-D-E. Dot AI news um perplexity, Uh as an example.

So When, so I'll use AI for studies.

So I'll say, where does it say in the Bible, blah, blah, blah, and it'll find it. Or what are the verses in the NESB 95 that say uh that Jesus uh walked from one place to another.

Well it it's helpful for things like that, and it's that's not a problem.

Now the issue becomes an interpretation.

So this is when you gotta be careful. But what you can do is you can say please Uh whenever I ask you about a verse in the Bible, only use the information derived from And you can say websites, certain websites. Or you can say these books. And you can put stuff in there and it'll restrict it so that the information is at least gleaned from those sites.

So for example, you could say If you wanted to, and there's other sites that are good, like Carm. Please research the verse, John 3.16. What does what a different commentator say? Use karm.org, use got questions, use You know, biblical archaeology, whatever it is, you say, and you can do it that way, and you can have a better trust factor for the results.

So these these aren't aren't problems. It's like saying Well, I don't have a Bible. I have a phone and a Bible on my phone. Shall I really have a Bible in my hands?

Well, technology changes our approaches. But we have to have integrity when we're using these things. I don't carry a Bible with me anymore. When I go to church, I carry my phone. which is a flip phone.

Not a flip phone, it's a fold, so I can open it up and I can have my Greek, I can have my Hebrew, I can have my commentaries. I can look at interlinears. I can look at my notes I've embedded in to varying verses. It's better. than a hard, uh you know, a paperback uh Bible.

in my opinion for my usage.

So The intention is what you want to deal with. I don't have any problem with someone using a B uh personally, I don't have any problem with anyone using it to help in their Bible study. Provided that you put the parameters on there that then restrict it to certain kinds of answers. We don't want stuff coming from the Roman Catholic Church. Don't want stuff coming from the East Orthodox or the Mormons.

So you can write a prompt. And you save your prompt. And you say from here on, whenever I And you can do it like this. Whenever I put B colon, You can say this, B colon. always then use this assumption.

And so you could be sitting there, or BB, B Colin's harder, just do B B. You could say just B B, Bible, whatever. Whenever I use BB, at the beginning of something always answered in respect to This. For me, it would be NASB 95. It would be these commentaries.

It would be these websites. And then, you know, then you check what what it says.

Okay. Okay, I guess the next And I and I hear what you're saying. It's just difficult for me to process 'cause it's it's like You have so much information and it's and it's That's me. quickly and it could give you these great answers but Yeah, yeah, it can never replace like a pastor that's been blessed by the Holy Spirit. You know what I mean?

Yes, well that's another issue. That's another issue. because I'm going to be writing articles. dealing with can uh should you should Should pastors use AI to write a sermon? Answer I would say no.

Because you want to go to the Word and And have the Spirit work through you, not have it write a sermon and then you work with it. And uh but I would say It's not a problem while you're in there researching to ask for references and cross-references and things like that. That's not a problem.

Okay. Okay. Well, thank you. I appreciate your time. Sure.

Does that help you enough? It I mean, it does. I know, well. It gives me a little bit more insight. and I think I'm a little bit more open, but I was just really, really conflicted just because of that.

Check. I'm I'm a newer Christian. Um And how much I feel like it becomes intrinsically That blessing from the Holy Spirit. it guides you that introduces you to something new from a verse every time you read it. From There's just Something different about games.

information like Whether you demonstrate out through a fellow sister in Christ or through a pastor, there's advantages. That's right. There's advantage to disadvantage. We got a break coming up. We gotta break, let the music come here.

You wanna hold? We can talk some more. If not, drop off. But if you don't want to stay, we'll talk a little bit more. We've got to go for the break, okay?

So talk to you later. Hey, folks, be right back. Maybe Cece will stay on. We can get to her back. If she doesn't, we'll get to the next call.

I'll be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show.

For Cece, we'll get to Elijah. Should be interesting. Let's uh are you still there, Cece? I'm here, I'm here.

So look. You can learn a lot with using AI in one respect, and not in another respect.

So if you do your own Bible study, You're going to learn a lot more in different ways. But on the other hand, if you can't find verses, you can't find concepts, and you use AI, it's quicker. And you can learn that way. The key is the balance. There's balance in everything.

It's a tool. How do you use the tool? That's the question. Then use it according to your conviction. I use it.

And um I use it regularly. Because I'm I'm you know, I'm a computer guy, I'm a nerd. And I I like tech.

So, uh I use it, but I'm careful how I use it. And I'm writing articles, I'm going to recommend people to certain prompts that they can use. and how to use it properly so it doesn't replace pastors or replace study or replace anything. You don't trust it too much, okay?

Okay. Yeah. Could it get to a point where Can it misguide a Christian? Yes. Absolutely.

See, one of the things I'll use it for, which I think is very useful, is Is search the early church fathers from the year 200 to the year 400. find the quotes with documentation, And all the topics that relate to them dealing with the apocryphal books. Boom. It'll do that. Then It'll give me quotes and URLs, and then what I do is I go verify them because I found that sometimes they're not accurate.

I've found it. I don't just trust it. And so I'll go verify. And about 50% of the time, it provides me very useful information. I can go in my resources and go, there it is.

Here it is. And it is correct. Then, what I'll do is read the context to make sure that what the citation is is represented accurately in the quote that I asked for. Once I verified that, Then I'll include it in my notes.

Okay. Okay. Okay, so again, a very research. Yeah. Kind of.

Yeah, I use it recently. And sometimes, you know, I've got a lot of verses memorized, but someone may say, Where does it say? For example, I don't have w where the verse is right now in my mind. I'm gonna say, Where does it say? uh it say in the Bible Um, if it is not of faith, it is sin.

Enter. it comes off I'm using Gemini on this one. Just happened to go, I go back and forth. Romans 14:23. Everything that does not come from faith is sin.

I go, that's right. Romans 14:23, and memorize that address.

So that's not cheating. That's okay, great. Because you could use a concordance to find the same thing. You could use your search program and your Bible to find the same thing.

So that's not a problem.

So, but where does that become a problem? When you start leaning on it for your spiritual guidance. That's a problem.

Okay. Okay. Through meaning and interpretation and Right. Things broke up. Yeah, that makes sense.

It just, yeah, it might get. Yeah. depending on anything worldly for something so Yeah, I feel lower. It's not the source of morals, it's not the source of meaning. We find that in Scripture.

And God has designed it.

So that we are to look at His Word. As living creatures with his living word. We need that interaction. And if AI gets in the way of that, then there's a problem.

Okay. Okay, I agree. Perfect.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Okay. God bless.

Alright. Thanks. You two.

Alright, you see God bless by. All right, now let's get on with Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, um Oh.

So before I get to my question, I want to lay the context for my question. Um the other day I was I was watching a live stream by the YouTube channel known as The Line. It's a popular atheist channel. Have you ever heard of that before? No.

The line? Yeah. Okay. And it's a call-in show, just like your show is a call-in show in Atheist. Challenge believers of all religions to call in to debate why they believe in God and such and such.

And then they want their base out.

Sorry, I just looked at it. Yeah, it's with Aaron Ra, right? Yeah. That's the live stream that's happening right now. But there was a live stream like two or three days ago that I had tuned into, and a guy.

uh by the name name of forest style kai. Um I had Type into the chat because before I because, like a few minutes earlier, he was saying something. About the Bible, and he said. He said that white supremacists like to say that the the uh curse Curse of Ham or the curse of Canaan, I can't remember which one it was in Genesis. Yeah, and uh he he said white supremacists like to use that verse to say that uh black skin is a curse and and and um And so I I typed in into the chat That uh force of Valkyai is ignorant because uh white supremacists Invented that interpretation in the nineteenth century to justify their racism and to justify.

Shadow slavery, and then he saw that. I guess he got offended at me calling him ignorant.

So he started cursing at me. Called me a dummy, and then and then and then I had and then he said that um Yeah. He said that the reason why I was saying that he misinterpreted no, no, no, no. He said the reason why that I said that the KKK is misinterpreting those verses is because is because um I can't argue or something like that. And then I responded by saying that Um So me any early church father That interpreted those verses to mean that black skin was a curse.

And um And and and um what else did I say? I said I said that you won't find any Bible scholars today. that believe that the Bible teaches that black skin is a curse. It's only the KKK that has that interpretation. Nobody cares what white supremacists have to say because they're not scholars.

And uh and uh there's certainly uh So certainly not Christian in my opinion because there's so much hate.

Well, why don't you? Can you develop a question out of this? Because let's get into this. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So.

So my question would be, how would you respond to Forrest Balkai if he said Those things to you, and how do you return to the which things? You said a lot of things. Focus on one thing: which things. Um him saying that Thing that the interpretation of those verses in Genesis means that black. is a curse.

I'd say the Bible doesn't say that.

Okay, next. Yeah. Next, uh I would uh the question for uh he he says that white supremacists love using the Bible to justify uh cattle slavery.

So just because someone uses something like that to justify something doesn't mean that the thing used is bad any more than um evolution was used by uh Hitler. to justify uh The white sup the white supremacy thing that he developed. Does that mean evolution is bad? Because he did, survival of the fitness. Yeah.

So these guys are not thinking critically. They are not thinking critically. They're not used to people coming in and arguing with them, like Aaron Raw. He won't talk to me. Because Let's just say in our last discussion, he didn't look too good.

Matt DeLahante, our last debate, he didn't do well. These guys what they'll do. is they They give semi-coherent arguments that think are really good. But they don't They don't understand what they're doing. Like, here's the thing here.

Like, I'm looking on their site. Is the Bible true?

Well, I'd call up and go, true in what sense? What do you mean true? Do you mean true archaeologically? Do you mean true with logic? Do you mean true with science?

Do you mean true with ufology? What are you talking about? True. Every aspect, how do you understand truth? What do you mean?

Is it poetically true? Historically true? Is it in wisdom, in Proverbs? What do you mean? I'd ask these questions.

And so, but they don't want to answer things like this because they're not good at thinking. They're not good at thinking. They think they are, but they're not. I get so tired of these guys. And I get into these atheist rooms, and I got an atheist room two weeks ago.

And uh they said, Prove to me God exists. And I said, what would be sufficient proof? Because if you give me what that criteria would be, I can go that direction. No, you prove it to me, Matt.

Well, I don't know which direction I need to go. I need to know what would work for you because it's a subjective kind of a thing. Proof is different than persuasion. Proof is for logic and mathematics. How do you prove an historical event?

You don't use those criteria for that. There's different kinds of proof for different kinds of things, different kinds of evidence for different kinds of categories.

So, which one was sufficient for you? See, I'm asking questions. and I'm teaching them at the same time, but they don't want to engage.

Well, if you can't do it, you don't know anything, Matt. And they're just demonstrating their lack of coherent thought. They're not interested in truth. They're interested in finding an excuse to deny God. It sounds like it sounds like you were talking to uh to uh amateur atheists 'cause a a a seasoned atheist would have never said show me proof, they would have said uh show me evidence.

Evidence is an abstraction. And this is the problem. Let me give you an example of something here. Oh yeah, we're almost out of time, but I'll go through it quickly. This is something that I use as an example.

So I live in Idaho and let's say that there's a house in Florida. Five minutes ago was broken into. The glass is broken on the inside of a room, you know, the outside glass window broken. There's mud tracks in the house. It's ransacked, and the front door is open, and mud trash go out the front door.

But outside that window are footprints in the mud, right where that window is. The footprints are evidence that the perpetrator entered in through that window. That's an evidence. But what if I said to you, Those footprints are evidence that I love my wife? It's not evidence.

Because the Phenomena only becomes evidential when it fits a criteria or a paradigm. When they say they want evidence, You have to ask them what's your paradigm that the validity of it in which the evidence will fit. Because if I said those footprints are evidence, I love my wife, there's no connection to those. But the same phenomena in a different paradigm becomes evidence.

So, in a broad sense, evidence is an abstraction. And it fits a criteria. And I explain this to atheists. And I say, if you're going to tell me that you want evidence for something, I need to know your. Paradigm to know if something can fit in it.

Because if you're going to say that everything has to work under the laws of physics. Beside that being self-refuting, then how can I then demonstrate something that is not subject to the law of physics in order to demonstrate its existence, like the existence of God? Because now you're restricting it to a certain level, and then you're demonstrating to me you don't understand the the categorical sortal problems when it comes to evidentials. from various sortles. See, they don't like this kind of talk.

Then they get rid of you.

Okay. We're almost out of time. Yeah, it's v it's very uh is very uh Hard trying to debate atheists sometimes because they don't always accept your answers, even if you do have good answers. Yeah, they're they're not as rational as they think they are.

Okay, I gotta go, there's some music. And sorry about that, Oscar and Steve. Call back tomorrow, but Elijah, there you go. And uh And you can get my book. Apologetics and Atheism.

It's on Amazon. You can check it out. All right.

God bless everybody. Hey, folks, right a time. May the Lord bless you. And by His grace, back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then.

Have a good one. God bless.

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