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Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live once again. Today's date is October 2nd, 2025.

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Alright, so as I've been mentioning, the new site will be coming up on the 25th. Of this month, October 25th is the 30-year anniversary of the Carm website. I've written about 5,000 articles. We've had 164 or 168. Oh no, no, I'm curious.

A million visitors. I forgot which. I'll open my file up and see. But we've had a lot of traffic over the years. And uh Excuse me.

Wow, sorry about that. What I'm going to do. Is we're going to have a kind of a feature where 168.5 million visitors we've had.

So we're going to be opening it up one particular day, the 25th. Uh on the radio show. We're doing that because that will be. Oh, October. It's a it's the uh Saturday.

So what we'll be doing is on the twenty fourth we'll open it up, you know, just uh which is a Friday, have it having people call in to the show and things like that. And then on the twenty fifth, we're going to have a an online kind of a meeting. And uh we'll just have people come in. And we'll talk. stuff like that.

It'll be fun. All right. Having said all of that, we got a call coming in.

So if you want, you can get in line and give me a call. 8772072276. And like I said, the email is info at carm.org. Oh, and we stay on the air by your support. Just let you know.

So we uh Oh man, I'm gonna tell you, we got so much new stuff coming in with the new website.

Now, you won't notice much, it's not gonna look like a big deal. But we're going to be releasing Some information on what it can do. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that is going to be fantastic. And uh So Just letting you know that it's It's going to be a unique site. behind the scenes.

There's gonna and we're gonna go through some stuff. It'll be able to do Yeah. Keep giving generalities.

So, anyway, there you go. If you want to give me a call, you can. 877-207-2276. Let's get to Dave from. North Carolina Day, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Don't get a good sabbatical at your offer a few days, I noticed. Yeah, anybody. For my 50 high school year reun reunion, 50 year, it was great.

Yeah, anyway, I I was um I had a question about just Islam. It seems to be growing. Huge growing consumer. Yeah. Yep.

especially in Michigan and uh Pennsylvania now and Texas. But um I was wondering what you suggested on how how Christian should uh It seems like being nice and being nice and loving them isn't working. They're they're oh no. They're uh out breeding by twenty percent. I mean, not that we should be nice, but God I just I actually went and spoke at a placing.

Probably didn't make any friends, but it seemed like the church was really scared of them. They invited them to the church. And I went there to speak, and I just told him everything you said, just about it, a lie, it's plagiarized from the Bible. you know, Islam's six hundred and fifty years after Jesus, so how do you have anything to do with Bible I have no idea. Anyway, so I got some weird looks, but I'm just like saying uh Wonder if what we can do to fight back the way Jesus would fight back, What needs to happen?

I'm running out of the equipment right now, so I'm going to hang up and just listen to you. I appreciate it. Sure, no problem at all. What needs to happen is the Christian pastors need to start equipping Christians for the work of ministry. It's a new concept.

They need to uh Train the Christians in all kinds of stuff. Islam is one of them. They need to do that. They need to train Muslims. And for the most part, they're not.

because they're not they don't know what to do.

So, there are a lot of websites out there that deal with Islam. There are a lot of ministries out there that deal with it. I can teach on it as well. Um We even sell a course on on Qarm on Islam. And how to go through a workbook, videos, and things like that.

We've got to revamp it, but the new site and everything. But there's a lot of ministries out there.

So. A lot of people don't understand The Islamic religion is a dangerous religion. It flat out is. When they become dominant in a society, they kill. They kill people.

So what do we do as Christians?

Well, we don't hide. We don't just go to our Sunday morning churches and then hope it goes away, or the problem goes away. No, no, no. We're called to be evangelists. We're called to be ready to answer.

And it doesn't take very long for Christians to develop answers. I've written 150 or so articles on the Karm website on Islam, and I can teach people how to witness to them and what to do. Others can too. Christians need to be ready for the coming onslaught of Islam. Just think of Islam as a cancer.

It invades a body. and it destroys what it comes in contact with. Just think of Islam that way, because every country has gotten into and starts becoming of any significant percentage, uh there's usually violence that follows. And then they make demands. They want.

halal food they want you to bow to their culture and their needs when they come into your your uh country. I think it's Sweden. I think it's Sweden or Switzerland. Sweden, I think it is, is. Before the immigration of the Muslims came in, it was a pretty peaceful country.

Now there's. How do I say these words on the air? uh without offending the children and uh guarding them. But if you get my drift just from what that is. That they do this.

My wife showed me a video of a Muslim. who attacked a a girl, just attacked a woman. She's walking along. He tacked her, pulled her by her hair, the whole bit, drug her like ten feet and she's fighting back. And what bothered me is the guys didn't do anything.

He uh I th not right away. Then they started coming in to help her and then he left. This kind of thing happens a lot where they get in groups and they attack uh women. in different countries of of Europe. If it started happening here in America, though, a lot of men would take.

care of it very quickly. But uh It's a bad religion. It's a religion of death. It's a religion of dominance. Their goal is to take over the world.

When you look at Islamic countries, generally speaking, they're run down, they're archaic. I remember when I was in Israel, we went across Muslim run area. We had to drive through a big wall and literally On the Israeli side of the wall, greenery, trees. clean. you go on the other side of the wall.

Just the other side. dirt. Uh trash. When they get into economies, they tend to destroy them. They tend to do that.

Uh Islam is not compatible with a constitutional republic, it's not compatible with a democracy. What it wants, what it promotes, is uh Sharia. which means uh women could be beaten. which means do you have your right hand cut off Uh if you steal something. They force people into submission, paying heavy taxes.

I talked once to a Coptic Christian. and who was over in one of the the Muslim countries, he had to flee. And the reason was because uh the Moslems on two separate occasions, I think he said two they just broke into his house with his family there. They were Christians pl paying the jizya. which is the tax uh that Do you pay to the Muslim government, If you're a Christian and if you're not a Muslim and that you're under a form of submission, so they want you to submit to Islam.

And so they're doing what they had to do just to survive. And it was very difficult. They're not allowed to hold any jobs of influence or make much money and things like this. They're just trying to survive. And Muslims broke into their house.

Why are families there? On two separate occasions, and said, everything that you have belongs to Allah, and started stealing stuff right in front of them. Just walking out the door with it. This is the mentality of a lot of Muslims all over the world. And then there's a phrase: what your right hand possesses.

and the phrase can refer to property and people. and you can do what you want with them. What your right hand possesses.

So when they go into a country and they start dominating. then they're saying My right hand possesses this and that. It's a It's a cancerous religion. And It it's just it's bad. It's a bad religion.

It's a bad religion. Okay. Let's get to Adrian from North Carolina. Adrian, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you for taking my call, sir. Um I have a good friend or my husband and I have a good friend. highly educated A professor at one of the colleges here and um I talked to him yesterday after I'm talking to him for a while, and he is transitioning from a male to a female and sent me a picture. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

And I myself, I've stumbled all over myself saying, Oh, you look so happy. I'm happy that you're happy. And while I'm saying those words, I'm thinking, Adrian, what are you saying? This is wrong. I did not have the strength, I guess.

Uh Two Not say that, and I'm just wondering what in the same hell happened to me? I faltered, I fell in the flesh, I fell bad.

Well, you're just describing it. You're just describing it. You you failed. And Uh What you do is you repent, you talk to the Lord about it, and And you move forward. Don't beat yourself up about it too much.

I think it's appropriate for us Christians when we do something bad, beat ourselves up for a little bit, make ourselves feel guilty. You know, it's kind of good for us. But you have to go to the cross and you have to. You just know that the Lord Jesus is very forgiving and very kind.

So, you cannot support this transitioning stuff as a Christian. And it doesn't mean you have to. It doesn't mean you're rude to it.

Okay. So we had um one of my daughters invited a a a girl going to a guy. Transition over for Christmas one day. We said, Yeah, sure, you know, come on over. And no problem, we didn't approve.

but we loved that person. And the person actually stopped transitioning later on. We don't know why, but uh at any rate the thing is you don't have to hate 'em. Just don't approve of what they're doing and don't support it. That's all.

Okay. But you but you let them know that you you love them, but did not approve of this, but but you love them. Yeah. And you know, you'll say, look, uh... You know, instead of saying, I'm glad you're happy, I wouldn't say that.

I would, you know, me, I'd say, well, thank you for letting me know. That's it. I'm not committing unless I'm good or bad. And then you have to be careful of the thought police, because in England, if you say something bad about Islam, they can arrest you. You can go to jail.

But if Muslims say something bad about Christians, that's okay. But anyway, so the thought police. The thought police are watching.

So be careful what you say. And putting it in writing. And so be generic, but don't support them.

Now I'm in trouble because I say all this stuff on the radio. find old shows, then I've got plenty that could be jailed for. When the thought pulls you to stop. I'll go scale for you. Hey, hold on, we got a break, okay?

Hold on, Adrian. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages if you want to give me a call. The number is 877207. Two two seven six. be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, up and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number's 877207. two two seven six.

Adrian, are you still there? Yes, sir, and I want to thank you very much.

Well and I go I'm praying for him. Huh? Yeah, you know. We've all blown it, and we're going to continue to. Just take it to Jesus and just say, you know, Lord, I was weak in the flesh and.

Please help me. And that and that's uh you just move forward and and that's okay. You know, and just learn from it and think of ways to say things that are nice. and hopefully won't come back and haunt you later because of the Gestapo thought police that's on the rise. Oh gosh, yes.

Thank you again, sir, and God bless you and your family. Take care, and thank you. And you're welcome, no problem.

Well, God bless.

Okay. You too dear. God bless. Bye.

Alright.

Alright, now let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, I want to ask about the uh Charlie Kirk situation. Seems like this is kind of just hanging around us in our culture.

But One thing I've heard try to use as a judge of character. I I don't think it's fair, but is uh the organization turning point USA, I guess. Care named.

So I guess they had a lot of I guess you would say people affiliated with it that were not believers Would that be a form of ecumenical? Error. No, not necessarily. You see, um You don't have an HOA. Would they in your housing area?

And there might be unbelievers on there and atheists on the the committee or whatever. it doesn't mean you're unequally yoked. any more than you could have wacko morons like Nancy Pelosi and A of C. uh you know, in the government and Schumer. and other uh you know It doesn't mean that uh that uh we can't work with them.

Okay. So when it says unequally yoked in the spiritual context, we've been very, very careful. We want to carry that over, of course, as much as we can into other areas of life as well. I would prefer that uh all the people who hold offices in our government were born again Christians. because then they're not going to be taking bribes and somehow uh Somehow making all the right choices in stock trades so that on a small salary you became a multi-multi-millionaire very quickly, like Pelosi did.

So, uh Anyway. I'm kind of rambling.

Okay. Okay, well um the follow-up. You're breaking up. You're breaking up there, buddy. I was going to say, I I personally still believe that mister Kirk was a believer And I see a lot of uh videos out online and they seem to be heavily edited, chopped up and people are using those as fuel.

But I I see where, you know.

some concern would be as far as the associations 'cause it seemed like I think his wife was Catholic and He had some other people around him that or not, but I don't think that's the fairest indictment on him as a believer.

So do do you think he We may be making an error, you know, in in his personal life somewhere to allow so many nonbelievers in his circle. I don't know. If he had non-believers in his circle, it depends on what the context is. You know, if I had a huge organization Now, if it was Christian-based and it was designed that it'd be Christian-based, then you can't have unbelievers. But if you're having a secular-based system, then you know unbelievers can be in it.

We just gotta be careful. That's what I would say. You know.

Okay. Okay, yeah, I I think that's completely fair. I you know, I don't wanna sound like I'm indicting him at all. I Still do believe he was a believer. Yep.

But that doesn't mean everyone around you is a believer in that. Yeah. is necessarily fair to judge someone just by who's around them depending on the context. Right. And he's a strategist, too.

So he knew what he was doing, and he's trying to get a lot of people in. and working with a lot of people. Male, female, black, white.

So Believers, unbelievers, all kinds. That's how it should be. When you have an organization that is governmentally based and you're trying to do political movement and stuff like that all over the United States, I don't have any problem with that.

So he could have people in his past that he's associated with who are unbelievers. It doesn't mean he's an unbeliever. It doesn't mean he should be. criticize for it.

So a lot of people in Christianity. Christian circles who don't know biblical theology very well that make these judgments. It's the job of the pastor to start addressing these issues and teach them.

So uh I you know There's you know, it's a it's a big topic. But I don't have any problem with with Kirk, uh Johnny Kirk doing what he did.

Okay, I think that's fair. It works, man.

Well good.

Well, appreciate it, brother. It's a good solid answer. All right, brother. God bless. Alright.

Alright, God bless you.

Okay. Well, that was Jermaine from California. We have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Ebenezer from California.

Ebenezer, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Um, yeah, I just had a quick question. Um yeah, so I was talking to um an Eastern Orthodox guy and um he pretty much um Um so we was talking about penal substitution.

Yeah. And um And uh so Like I would say like uh Said, yeah, you guys don't believe in. Um Penal substitution. Yeah. And then he was like he was like, No, we do We do believe in the penal substitutionary tone.

So then I said So do you guys believe that Jesus Christ was a legal debt uh became a legal debt and you know, for your sin. And then he was like, No and then like Like I was like, Man, you're lying to me, you know?

So then he he like Um And then I I said, So d you do you believe what the scriptures say in um Isaiah Isaiah fifty three and Second Corinthians. um five twenty one I believe and then Um And then she she Yeah.

So I'm like I I I was trying to figure out like how do I answer him. Oh my god, Called you in the story. I'm not really much of a debater. It's all right. It's all right.

Repeat this. What was it that. led him to c accuse him. Yeah, because he said um I s I Bye, bye. Saying that the father crossed the son.

You separate the natures. Oh Jesus Christ. He doesn't understand.

Now he doesn't understand. Look, one of the things you've got to do is deal with what is a person. And personhood is the issue. Jesus is a person. The Father is a person.

The nature of Christ in his personhood is that he has two natures, divine and human.

So the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person. I can't hear you. I'm sorry. I can't hear you. Okay, uh you hear me now?

You hear me? Uh a little bit.

Okay. Maybe you can call back. If you're if you're uh driving or something, maybe got got a bad connection. Are you there? Hello?

Well, Ebenezer, call back.

Okay, buddy. Hello?

Yeah, call them back and get a better connection. No, no, I can hear you. I can hear you. I can hear you. As you can hear me.

All right. Yeah, I can So the problem with the mm-hmm. Yeah, we get a break, so So hold on, brother. We'll be right back after the break. We'll get into this issue again.

Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number's 877-207. 2276, be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright everyone, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, the number is 87720. 72276. Let's get back on with Ebenezer. Are you still there? Yeah, I can hear that it's good.

Okay. Okay, so um The East North of Docs, I've done a great deal of studying with them. And on them. You're breathing into the mic, just so you know, buddy. I so I've I've studied it a lot.

My notes are are very extensive on Eastern Orthodox. They teach what's called the recapitulation theory of the atonement. And now they hold to a little a sample of PSA, but not very much. They understand that Jesus bore our sins and they'll admit that, but they don't believe that it's a legal payment and a canceling of the sin debt. And the reason they don't is because they earn their salvation through works.

Well, combine with faith. in what's called theosis, a process of becoming like Christ. Over the period of many, many, many years in your life, and you hopefully get to that place where you become saved.

Well, if PSA was true, then justification occurs by faith alone. And so they deny that.

So they have a false gospel.

So they'll teach that Jesus recapitulates the entire events of human life. from birth, death, etcetera, and all the things in it. And that Adam disobeyed, but Jesus obeyed.

So he reversed Adam's failure. It reminds me of the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, where they teach that. Adam failed, but Jesus, the perfect man, succeeded and reopened the door that would give you the possibility of earning salvation.

So it's the same kind of a thing that the Eastern Orthodox teach. And that Christ is a new head of humanity.

So. By the hypostatic union of divinity and humanity, he becomes the new representative of the human race. And salvation is uh via union with Christ. But that union is through works. And I've got quotes.

I've got quotes.

So that's really what it is, and it's bad news. It's a false gospel, but they have.

So when he accused you of Nestorianism. He didn't understand the issues, and you need to study Nestorianism, Eutychianism. Minophysetism, the hypostatic union, so that you can identify. uh what what these things are quickly.

Okay. Okay, yeah, most definitely, most definitely. I mean um so I mean you can show pretty much different buttons really, right? I'm sorry, what? You broke it up a little bit.

What? C uh, pretty much they're like Muslims, right? Um well, not No, they believe in the Trinity and the deity of Christ, the crucifixion, resurrection. But they're like Muslims in that faith and works are combined to get you saved. And that's the same thing with Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, all the false religions teach this kind of a thing because they don't understand the true nature and work of who and what Christ has done.

So you call it a recapitulation theory? That's what they call it. That's what they hold to, the recapitulation theory. That Jesus relives all of human experience, yet he did it without sin. He experienced infancy, childhood, adulthood, suffering, and death.

In so doing, he didn't just die for our sins, but he also demonstrated what it means to be truly human and made in God's image. And by following his example you can be saved.

Okay. All right. You're breaking up again. You're breaking up again, or okay. Hello, can you hear me?

Yes, I can. Yeah, what's the difference?

So This recapitulation theory, what's the Okay. It's Between that and what what the gospel teaches with regards to Jesus' life. When we understand that justification is by faith, Romans 5:1, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5, Galatians 2:16, Philippians 3:9.

Now you got a lot of wind going on in the in the background or something, or breathing into your mic.

So you've got a that that's It's just let you know, all right.

So, now I forgot the question.

Okay, I got distracted by the background sound. What was the question again? Uh I I was saying Hello? Yes, try it again. Yeah.

Okay. Hello. Can you hear me?

Now I hear you. Yes.

Okay. Yeah, so I was saying what's the difference between their recapitulation theory and what the article says about Jesus is You know. Yeah, now.

So justification is a legal declaration of righteousness and it's obtained by faith alone in Christ alone. What they will say is that justifications accumulated over a period of time through what's called theosis, where the follower, the Eastern Orthodox person, participates in the moral and spiritual life of Christ. And it's transformed through receiving what Jesus did in His perfect life. by living in his life accords with Jesus. Then, by the means of grace that God enables them to do that, with a culmination of all that being salvation.

So think of it as Jesus. But Adam closed the door to salvation, Jesus reopened it, and you have to step through and do a bunch of good stuff. In order to be saved. Oh, just to attain salvation. Yeah.

So Jesus recapitulated life all the stages of human life, yet without sin, He then made it possible for the Eastern Orthodox person to participate in the energies of God, which are the graces of God that emanate from his essence, that work in you and through you, that enable you to do those good things, participate in the sacraments, participate in the truth of that particular church, submit to what it is, and that through the life of obedience and sanctification, this is how you gradually move towards and achieve salvation. It's a false gospel. It's a false gospel. It's one of the reasons the East Orthodox Church is just simply not a Christian church. That could be a question.

Why would he call me uh call me an historian with regards to You know, 'cause it wasn't it Jesus' human nature that that uh died on the cross? Only the human nature experienced death.

Now, this is what you've got to understand. This is why theology is important. In the hyperbolic. No, but that's what I told him. That's what I told him.

I said, hold on, let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. So you have to understand the hypostatic union and the communicatio idiomatum. Understand the hypostatic union, that's a Latin phrase.

But now it's Englicized, and also the Communicatio Edumatum, or the Communication of the Property.

So, this is why your understanding is important. They fail to understand stuff. When you say, and rightfully so, that only the human nature experienced that death. In that sense, he's going to call you Nestorian because in Nestorianism, In the one body of Christ are two persons: a divine person and a human person. That's Nestorian.

That's why he jumped on that to say, you're saying only the human nature experienced it. And I say that too, but I always qualify. I said, you gotta understand what I'm saying first. I said, don't jump. I said, only the human nature experienced that death.

because divine nature can't die.

So what we have in the hypostatic union of Jesus being one person with two natures, they're separate and distinct natures. Yet each nature has attributes or properties. The one person of Christ Claimed the attributes of both of those natures.

So Jesus, the person, said, I am thirsty. That's human nature. He said, I'll be with you always, even to the end of the earth. That's divine.

So he is the one person.

So, what we say is the one person died on the cross. And so therefore we're not Nestorian, we're holding the hypostatic union. And when I explain this to people, they go, okay, we see what you're saying. And I say that the divine nature can't die. We know that, but the human nature can.

So, how is it then that the person of Christ experiences? And that's by the answer of the communicatio idiomatum. And here's another question I'll ask people, Christians too. If only the human nature is that nature that experienced death in the direct sense related to the nature, Then how is a sacrifice of Christ of divine value? And the answer is simple.

because of the communication of the properties, because it's the person who died on the cross. And the person has the attributes of both natures. And that negates any idea of Nestorianism.

Okay. And it's just because Jesus is one person.

Now what you could ask them What I like to do with the EO is go to Colossians 2.14. And it says uh that Jesus, having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees which was hostile to us, he took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. I say, What is the certificate of debt? The Greek word is kerographon. handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness.

What was cancelled? And they'll say the SIN debt. Mm-hmm. I say I agree. Did he cancel for everybody?

And they'll say, well, uh be uh yeah.

Well, then, how can anybody go to hell if the sin debts canceled? Because you've got to apply it to yourself. And then it gets into. I see, that's Protestant Arminianism. That's this Protestant Arminianism, that you activate the power of Christ's sacrifice by your wise decision to apply it to yourself by believing.

And that's that's that's heresy. It is. Because it's canceled at the cross. Not when you believe. Yeah.

Just I throw this at people all the time and they're dumbfounded. Because they haven't read this and they don't know. That's what the Bible teaches. They say you're justified when you believe. But Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross.

Logic requires it, he only canceled it for the people. that he that were given to him by the Father. This requires Mm-hmm. and it refutes recapitulation. You wanna hold or not?

I'll tell you what, we gotta break. If you want to hold, hold, if not, just hang on. No, no, I'm good. I'm good. Oh, Riveny, God bless.

So, folks, what I did was just go through some more details about atonement theories and how they interact and work. I debate them frequently. And if you want to give me a call, 877-207-477. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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So these issues are important. And what's really interesting about the Eastern Orthodox Church is that it is growing. It is really growing. And I was curious about why and I watched a video. Where someone Quoted some research.

And And Tuned it, the information, into the issue of the Eastern Orthodox and why people are joining it. And it's one of the main reasons is because they want stability. In this world of technological change. Of Government where it the left and right is becoming more pol uh polarized. Where morality is up for grabs.

People are wanting more stability. One of the ways they see stability is in a rigid church service. That claim to be connected to the ancient church. The smells and bells are seductive. And so, a lot of times people will join in with that.

And plus, the. the faulty logic of the false gospel. That is presented by Eastern Orthodox people are polished in how they want to say things. Trust me, I know. I've had many impromptu discussions with Eastern Orthodox people.

and I find them to be arrogant. Prideful. Because they belong to the true church. Outside of their true church is no salvation. Their church gave us the Bible.

We don't have the energies and graces of God. They have the truth that relates to the East excuse me, the early Church Fathers. Their church is where true salvation can be found, and this is their attitude. And it's really difficult to break through that. When you ask them, show your position in Scripture, they don't really care.

They will often rip things out of context, which I've seen many times by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. They just apply a verse that doesn't really say what they want it to say, and then they move on. And most people who are just not theologically astute will fall prey to the false gospel of Eastern Orthodoxy. And this is one of the things. And yeah, it's a false gospel.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches a false gospel. Both of them are not true Christian churches. Just as Mormonism is not a true Christian church, it's not a restoration of anything. They don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible. Nor did the Jehovah's Witnesses.

There's a lot of false religions out there. And the way to know the truth is to open God's Word and read it and believe it. But um Too many Christians listen to the siren call of false prophets and false Christs, and they follow them. And Jesus warned. In the last days, many false Christs and false prophets will arise and deceive many.

And that's what's happening. Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. And that, um I think like last time, last week, I watched a debate between William Albert and some Protestant guy.

And William Albrecht. kept kept arguing that Both in the Old and the New Testament, the word faith. can be can be translated as Uh faithfulness and um And the Protestant guy in his answering period Conceded that he agrees that in the Old Testament word faith can be translated as faithfulness, but he doesn't agree that. it can be translated that way in the New Testament. And then William Albrecht was like, Uh uh you just you just uh conceded the the debate by admitting that there were faith can be translated as faithfulness and uh this is William Albert's way of trying to Say that we're saved by faith and works and not faith alone.

So, what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I've debated him, and he's not very good. He doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't know basic logic. Um So, uh The word Yeah. A word could have what's called a semantic domain.

And this is very critical for you to understand and Christians understand. A semantic domain is a range of meanings that a particular word can have in different contexts.

So, the word green, I always use the word green as an example. Green can mean Um Envy. sickness being new and naïve Money color It can mean several things. It has lots of different meanings.

So that's called a semantic domain.

Now what sometimes that the false religious teachers like Albright and uh and others will do. in Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. What they'll do is they'll say a word has a meaning and they take the meaning of a different context and import it over to another context. An example of this is in 1 Corinthians 15. The word heus is in Greek until.

And it's also used in Matthew 125 where Done. Joseph kept Mary a virgin until Jesus' birth.

Well, in the normal context, we understand what that word intel means in the context of merit and fidelity. And stuff. But over in 1 Corinthians 15, he will hold he will put all things in subjection until or he will reign until all things are in subjection. And they say the word until means continued action.

So what they do is they transfer the meaning over there to Matthew 1.25. This is the kind of thing he does, Albright does, and other people in false religious systems do in order to make their theology fit the scriptures. It's called illegitimate totality transfer. It's an exegetical error.

So I would recommend That you study those kind of things. And you can go to Carm, and you can look up exegetical errors and things like that. I don't know if that helps enough, but are you there? Yeah. Yeah, uh, that makes a lot of sense.

Uh, I might I might I might go on your website and and I look that up. Uh I I have read uh uh many of your articles before and it has Helped out a lot. I d I do like them.

Well, good. You know, that's what they're for. And I'm trying to find my notes on him. I debated him. Um.

And I'm just going through stuff. I can't know if I can find it or not. But uh I've had a lot of people say that he destroyed me in a debate, and I say, Oh, okay, all right, well.

Okay, if that's what you think. And uh but he wasn't very good, didn't know his stuff, um is not a good thinker.

Okay. Yeah, so that's you know, it's what it is. Yeah. Um Um I got I got I got a question that's a little off topic, but um it's it's it's kind of related uh what I had talked to you yesterday about, about um the the end times.

Alright.

So have you Have you heard of the uh asteroid Apophis? Oh yeah, up office, yes, uh-huh. Yeah, um s so so I I'll I saw a video By a Christian, and they pointed out that they named this thing asteroid Apophis, meaning the God of Chaos, and they also. uh assign a number to it. The number is 999.

Four, two, and the person in the video pointed out that that's interesting because. the three nines are basically upside down sixes, so you get six, six, six. And then the forty two at the end of the number, they said that's interesting because He said, because Revelation says that the Antichrist is going to. exercise his power for forty two months.

So it's it's interesting to be assign those numbers to the asteroid. And one more thing that they pointed out in the video is that They said if the asteroid misses us, in twenty twenty nine, it's going to circle back around and come back In 2036, and they don't know if it's going to hit or not then. But what's interesting about that is that that's a seven-year. time gap between those two arrivals. And most interpretations see the reign of the Antichrist being for Yeah and uh and uh what what are the installations going to happen that's time or not.

doesn't really matter, but it's it's just interesting observation with all of that.

So so uh what what are your thoughts about all of that stuff?

Well, you can do all kinds of things with numbers, and so. Maybe there's a cabal in astrophysics that is serving the evil one, and they wanted to do a code and made it 999. It's possible. But I don't really put much credence in something like that.

So, I do know about Apophis, and I do know that it's not supposed to hit Earth. This time around, and but it's a question on whether the second time around, if it will. Uh they don't know yet. And that's just because I don't know if it goes through the keyhole of gravity, the gravity well, and things like this.

So I would just say I wouldn't worry about it right now. And uh uh We'll just see. And maybe there's something eschatological with it. It's certainly possible that it's going to be timed to where God's eschatology is working. And maybe in ten years it's going to come and hit the earth and cause uh upheaval such that it's necessary for us to unify into one government.

And the Antichrist takes over. Who knows?

Okay? All kinds of things. But we don't know what the truth is, all right? Yeah, and I just find it interesting because they point it out and, um, they say that they the the person in the video said that they really believe that Uh guide Alright. uh actually does have this thing like like locked in to where it is it is going to play out in the end times because I did further research and they said if it doesn't hit us in twenty thirty six, Then it's going to circle back around in 2068.

Then, if it doesn't hit us in 2068, that it might hit us in uh the next century after that. And so it just keeps seems like it's going to just going to keep coming back and back and back.

So it does seem like it's. locked in and and we're not going to be able to you know you know escape it. Yeah, but it also could be that it can be thrown into a different orbital plane and won't hit us or be even a threat for five hundred or a thousand years.

So in 2029, it's supposed to come with within roughly 20,000 miles. A birth. and which I think would be visible to the naked eye. And that the chance of collision is something like Uh the highest is 2.7%. I wouldn't worry about it.

So, all right, if it goes back in 2030, something, whatever it is, I don't know what the percentage is then, we'll just have updated then. But they're already. You know, I follow a lot of science. They've already got ideas on how to deflect asteroids and do various things.

So there's ways where they put accelerator on it or put mirrors on it that absorb photons, I mean that reflect certain things. They have ion engines, they can put nuclear this and that. They have all kinds of theories about how to just do something a little bit to an asteroid, just accelerate it a little bit or slow it down just a little bit, and it would be negated. It's already uh being discussed. On how to deal with things like this.

It's not just a prophets, but other things. That are out there too. There's a lot of stuff out there.

Okay. Yep. Yep, uh I I agree.

Well, uh it was it was a nice talk that you met. All right, butter. God bless. All right. Okay, that's Elijah.

Now Rhee from Nevada, we only have like twenty seconds left in the show, or thirty seconds tops.

So we don't have time to get to you. Call back tomorrow, and we can get on to your question about apologetics in the Army, which I've never heard that before. That's interesting, the topic. I'd love to talk to you about that.

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