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Should we rejoice when the unbelievers get punished?

So, for example, we know that Charlie Kirk was murdered and that so many leftists who are rejoicing in his death, just rejoicing, many of them are being fired from their jobs for that kind of thing.

Now, is that something we should rejoice over? Because the Bible says, you know, to pray for your enemies, to love your enemies and things like that. Is it loving to rejoice that they lost their jobs or that they're getting punished for their sin or things like that?

Well, it's a difficult question to kind of say, well, in all situations, yes, or all situations, no.

So let's talk about it a little bit because it's worth delving into.

So, excuse me, there are yawn there. In the Old Testament, there are Psalms. And I'm just thinking about something. Hey, Braxton, how you doing, buddy? He'll know.

All right, so in the Old Testament, there are what's called imprecatory psalms. Imprecatory psalms are psalms where the psalmist wishes destruction harm upon people. They're in the psalms. There's a lot of them. I have an article on this, which ones are considered the imprecatory psalms.

And they're there. Oh, yeah, they are. And so it's biblical in one sense to wish for the destruction of the ungodly.

Now Jesus said the New Testament. He said, you know, live your enemies.

So where do we balance this?

Well, as I was talking, repeating a lot what I already said to the person over the phone, when I was talking about this, and I've been asked this kind of a thing before, we have to find a balance between rejoicing that unrighteousness is punished, because that's what we want. We want to rejoice that the unrighteous are dealt with according to their unrighteousness, because that's justice. But we should also, at the same time, be lifting them up and hoping that God would be merciful to them and that through their consequences and their actions, that they would find faith in Christ. And so, on one hand, it's okay to say, well, yeah, I'm glad they're getting, you know, we'll use this example, glad they're getting fired because they are demonstrating their unrighteousness, their hatred, their approval of murder, of destruction of family in this, just simply because they don't agree with somebody in that sense, and then Charlie Kirk. And so, let me go to this, that's right.

So the thing is that as Christians, we want the unbelievers to come to faith. We want those who are harmed, who are harmful to be dealt with. And as I was saying to the person over the phone that, I forgot her name too, I hate that when I do that. But if a murderer is caught and sentenced to life in prison, let's say, then we can rejoice that righteousness prevails, because that righteousness ultimately is from God. And so we can have praise for that and thankfulness for that.

But we can also pray that such a person would be saved. And so there's this balance between wanting righteousness and what might be considered harm to somebody. But the harm is due to the righteousness of punishment versus just wanting people to be safe and happy and stuff like that.

So do we rejoice in people being punished and suffering? Depends. I'd say it depends. It depends if the person is really bad. Like the Night Stalker.

My wife and I recently watched a series on him. This guy, I can't repeat it. For those of you who don't know who he was, he was there when I was, my wife and I were in Southern California, and this was happening in Southern California. It was all over the news. I mean all over the news.

And for, I don't know, 160, 170 days, this guy was doing all kinds of really bad things. And I mean, just imagine a list, and he was doing it, and breaking into people's houses, and people were being killed, and other things. And so he was caught and sentenced to life in prison. He died from cancer at the age of 53, I think it was. And so he was sentenced, I think it was on death row, I can't remember, but anyway, life in prison.

And so I rejoiced that he was caught. I rejoice that he was punished. I rejoice that he was in jail.

So I rejoice in those things. But my hope is, even for such a wicked person who was a Satanist, my hope is that he came to faith at the end of his life before he died.

So that's it.

Now, that reminds me of something else. in John 10.10 I'm going to go to verse 7, actually John 10.7 So Jesus said to them again, truly, truly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door, if anyone enters through me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy.

I came that they might have life and have it abundantly.

Now, the thief there is another way of describing the devil. It comes into steal, kill, and destroy. And he talks about the hireling and the good shepherd, bad shepherds, and things like that. All right, well, I started thinking about it. The leftists who've shown their vileness, the rejoicing of evil, they seek the death of someone who's done nothing wrong.

And they destroy.

Now, when Charlie Kirk was murdered, the people on the right didn't riot. They didn't cause millions and billions of dollars of damage. They didn't do that. When the left, when one thing happens, I forget George Floyd, oh, they riot and destroy. They kill and destroy.

They are the servants, ultimately, of the evil one.

Now, I'm not saying the conservatives are always the servants of the Lord. I'm not saying that. But just as a broad, sweeping statement, The left and the right, the good, or the bad and the good in this case, left and right. It's the evil ones who come to steal, kill, and destroy. Which side in our political system does that fit?

Well, it fits the left. And here's another thing. is I wrote an article a while back and I got penalized for it on, I think it was Facebook or YouTube. And it was, which political party would the Antichrist belong to?

So I'm going to bring that up and go through a little bit. Political party, Antichrist. And what I did was, I went through and I just researched the Antichrist. I researched what it is that his positions would be. It appears that he would be homosexual.

Therefore, it's reasonable to say that he would be in support of the LGBTQ movement.

Now, this is out of Daniel 11.37. He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor shall he show regard for one another God, for he will magnify himself above all. He'd be pro-abortion, since the Antichrist activity will be in accord with Satan. 2 Thessalonians 2.9, who was a murderer, John 8.44, the killing of the unborn would be something he'd support. He would support a one-world government, and we know that because it's given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.

Authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. He will force compliance with his policies. Revelation 13.17 is the same thing again. No one can buy or sell, and in 13.12, exercises all authority of the first beast in his presence. They'll use deception.

Now, in my opinion, I think the left is highly deceptive. I've seen twists on news reports that are just egregious. The spin. I think they're afraid of absolute truth. And that's 2 Thessalonians 2.9.

That is the one who's coming is in accord with the activity of Satan. All powers, signs, and false wonders. That's deception. 2 John 7, many deceivers have gone out. This is the spirit of the Antichrist.

He'll make war with Christians. Daniel 7, 25, Revelation 13, 7.

So which political party is at war with the conservatives and the Christians? Which political party has urged Facebook, YouTube, to silence conservative voices, generally their Christian ones?

Well, it's the left, the Democratic Party.

So which political party would the Antichrist belong to? Oh, in my opinion, he would definitely sign up for the Democratic Party. And I could see them inadvertently saying yeah this is the guy we want to represent us without knowing who he really was That my opinion That is my opinion I don know what you think but that what I think I have no respect for the left. I have no respect for that stuff. And if you're a Christian, you have no business belonging to the Democratic Party.

I'm not saying you should be Republican either. I'm saying, as far as the Democratic Party goes, you should be far away from that. because it promotes, as part of its whole intention of what it stands for, it promotes the things that are ungodly and against Scripture. And you cannot say, well, they want to help people in other areas.

So I guess it's okay if they want to help people. They can destroy life, promote LGBTQ, the alphabet mob, one world government, socialism, and all of that stuff. if you're a christian you're not gonna like what i'm gonna say here you have you should not be a democrat because if you know what the democratic party stands for you should do some research and find out because it is bad news and i've got articles on my website the history of the democratic party and what it continues to do and it's just losing members left and right that's good and also you shouldn't go to a church with a woman pastor a woman elder let's get to Oscar from New York. Oscar, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Question. When Adam and Eve were created, did they have eternal existence, but not eternal life? That's a good question, the way you phrased it, okay?

Because they had eternal existence. Oh, we've got a break, so hold on. We've got a break. We'll come back and we'll talk about that, okay? Yeah.

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Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on with Oscar from New York. Oscar, welcome.

You're on the air, buddy. Yes, sir. All right. So did Adam and Eve have eternal existence, but not eternal life? That's a really good question.

Right. If they had not sinned, they would not have died. Right, right. Eternal life is defined as that which is given to the Christian who's a sinner and now will live eternally with the Lord in a resurrected body.

So in that sense, Adam and Eve didn't have that. But they had an immortal existence, a non-dying existence, until they sinned, and then it all changed. Good question, though. Right. Okay.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Okay. Sure. Bye-bye. Sure. God bless.

All right. Now let's get to, excuse me, let's get to Brian from North Carolina. Brian, welcome. You're on the air. Yes.

Hi, Matt. Matt, thank you so much for taking my call. I want to first say I appreciate I've been listening to you for about three years, first time calling in, but thank you so much for the wisdom and guidance that you provided. I really appreciate that. I was calling in because one thing that with the whole, you know, the celebratory of when our enemies fail, in my eyes, I don't think that should be a case.

You know, I got into, I don't want to say a spat, but a disagreement with some fellow peers about, you know, well, you know, well, he did this and that. You know, so it serves him right. He spoke at that time. And I personally didn't agree with what Charlie Kirk completely did, although he did speak a lot of great things, but in no way, shape, or form. Should anyone talk about him and his death?

Or for the people that are going down, I want people to be saved and changed in the way that God would want them to be and come to the understanding. I just hate to see so much this like, this care to a nation is just like real sad to see yeah, I agree, I agree we need to be very careful especially as Christians, we don't want to rejoice in people's misfortune even the wicked I rejoice that righteousness occurs that's God's righteousness but I don't want to see and it hurts me even more to see I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was just going to say, it hurts me even more to see so-called Christian believers that I fellowship with at some point in time even celebrate a death or something like that. That baffles me.

Regardless, like I said, you don't have to agree with somebody in any way, shape, or form, but to celebrate something like that or to promote the celebration of it, it hurts my heart, like seriously. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And it's something I've been dealing with the past week because of what happened to Charlie Kirk.

And when I hear, for example, people getting fired from their jobs, I've actually said to my wife, I don't know if that's a good thing to do or not, but they have the right to do that, the employers. People have the right to speak. but they also have to face the consequences of what they're saying. Absolutely. And things like that.

So that's why I say I rejoice that righteousness is done, God's righteousness, but I don't rejoice that they're suffering just simply to suffer. I don't want that to happen. Yes, absolutely. Just like you were saying, yeah, that's right.

Well, Matt, I won't hold you up, but I appreciate you so much for what you do. like I said, the wisdom and guidance especially when you allow people to come on your platform and maybe go against your debates it helps me when I get in those similar conversations, so really thank you for all you're doing and you just continue to keep praising God the way you are and showing His works through as long as I'm able as long as God keeps the door open until then, praise God and even after, praise God alright brother, God bless Brian alright All right. You do. Yeah, Brian from North Carolina was just out there last month. Great people out there, really nice people.

Spoke at a conference on Islam, had a good time. And let's get to Trevor from Michigan. Trevor, welcome. You're on the air. Minneapolis, Matt.

But I just wanted to say I believe in miracles because of you, because it amazes me how somebody with such difficulty and so many intellectual, intellectually in so many ways, can have such a successful ministry.

So I just wanted to, because of that, I believe in miracles, brother. It's good to see him, hear you, Matt. Hey, oh, Trevor, Trevor.

Now I get it. Hey, brother. How are you doing, brother? Good, Matt, good. I love you, Matt.

I'm so blessed by your message. I thought it might be you. I didn't recognize your voice at first. Oh, then I got it.

Okay. So, Matt, a lot of things. Matt, what do you think? I'm sorry. I'm still laughing.

That was good stuff.

Okay. Go for it. Go for it. So, Matt, what do you think about the country's turn towards hatred of the Jewish people and blaming them for everything. Do you think this means something eschatologically?

Yes, all the nations will be turned against Israel. All the nations will be gathered against them.

So, yeah, I mean, it's prophetic. I think it's bad. And you know, because I know, I want you to tell everybody what you do. I talk about you every now and then on the radio here. Oh, praise God.

Tell them what you do. Tell them what you do. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a missionary to the Jewish community, and I actually run what was formerly the oldest mission to the Jewish people in America out of this area, and we merged with a larger organization recently. And Matt, my gosh, the success we're seeing is unreal.

There's been polling recently.

So, for example, in 2000, I think it was either 2019 or 2020, according to Pew Research, 19% of the American Jewish population considers themselves Christian today. Really? Yeah, and we've done some polling earlier that showed some similar information to that, but something fascinating historically is whenever we see a major uptick of faith amongst the Jewish people, it's generally followed by some kind of horrific events against the Jews. Like, you see this biblically, actually, for the first time in Acts chapter 21, where James says that there's tens of thousands of Jews that believe in Jerusalem. And that's about in 50 AD.

And that was a big percentage of the Jerusalem population. And then 20 years later, you know, where you have the massacre, where the temple is destroyed, and many Jewish people were wiped out, and the movement was, really. And actually, also right before World War II, so the president of the organization I worked for, He did his dissertation on a missional work that was happening with the Jewish people in 1920s in Europe, and he conservatively estimates 250,000 Jewish people were professing faith in Jesus before the Holocaust came 20 years later. And we've seen similar things here. Yeah, yeah, we've seen similar things.

And, you know, I don't know if that's the reason. But, you know, it's probably around a million Jewish people in America today professing faith in Jesus. and then we're seeing this uptick. Yeah. Well, praise God for those of us that have come to know the Lord, but for those that haven't, I don't know how long Jews have in America.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. And people have been asking me about this. We bless Israel still. And I say yes. And we need to do that because God will bless those who bless Israel through Abraham, Genesis 12.

Hey, Brother Trevor, hold on, man. We've got a break, okay?

So hold on. I'm not going to keep laughing with you if you've got time. All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back with Trevor. I've known him for years.

He's a great guy. And I've got a quick story to tell you about he and I meeting in Israel one day. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live.

Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Before we get to Trevor, I just want to say we stay on the air by your support. Please consider supporting us.

We do need that support. We really do in order to stay on the air. And speaking of which, his wife, Trevor, we're going to get to him right about now. He's back on. Trevor's wife has been donated on Facebook for us a couple of times.

And speaking, Trevor, of miracles, one of the ways I know miracles still occur is because your beautiful wife married you. and you and I both look like a bag of logs with a happy face drawn on it and so our good-looking wife is married.

Some miracles right there. Matt one of your favorite sayings I repeat often that my wife is wonderful in every way except her taste in men That right It wasn for a taste in men And I remember I think about it every now and then The first time I ever met your wife, I was on an Israel trip, and you happened to be in Israel with her. And we had this impromptu meeting at a hotel, and it was a great meeting. I remember that. She was great.

Yeah, it was a blessing to see you. and you had so many great people touring with you at that time. And I think that was the last time I was there. It's been a little while. Things heated up soon after that.

Yes, yes, they did. My wife and I talked about doing a private tour of Israel with you and Kelsey, if we could arrange things sometime because she can't take a regular bus. And we were actually talking about that, and I've been thinking about you. Another thing, I'm going to just kind of debut this idea because Karm will be 30 years old next month on the 25th. We're going to release a new website and everything.

One of the new things we want to do is start getting other writers. I'm serious about that, getting writers who are specialists in their fields and write sections. And I'd like to have you do some writing on Judaism and stuff like that.

Well, to do it. And we would be so blessed to travel with you in Yeek. That would be wonderful.

Well, we'd be blessed to travel with you. I don't know if it's reversed, though, but yeah. But yeah, you know, it was interesting you were talking about Charlie, Matt, and right after he got shot, you know, horrible tragedy and what an awful situation. And the Lord, of course, seems to have used that for some really powerful things and continuing to encourage people to come to know Jesus. But Kelsey and I had a conversation right before that, and we said, watch tomorrow, they'll be blaming the Jews.

And sure enough, it's just disturbing to me. I'm concerned because I think, I think, I think, I think that what's happening is people are listening to Internet voices more than they know the Word of God. it leads us into a real dangerous place. I've been preaching on this, Matt, in particular recently, is that we're all prone to deception, because all of our ancestors were deceived. That's Adam and Eve, right?

And so that's our nature. And yet when we hear all this information in an information age, and we're constantly bombarded by it, our nature is to believe things that aren't true. And so unless we know the Word of God, and we have truth to balance it against, we're very prone to that, and I think that we're seeing that. Also, for whatever reason, people are obsessed with Gnosticism right now and secret knowledge. The Bible prophesies spiritism will be on the rise, and that's spiritism.

Yeah. It specifically says that we'll be on the rise at the end. And we're seeing it, and what's self-evident can't possibly be true. It has to be this deeper secret, this underlying secret. And at the end of every conspiracy, they have a Jew.

I was listening to a wise individual talking about how some people formulate their anti-Jewish positions, and it's six degrees to a Jew. If within six degrees for an event you can find a Jew, they must be at fault. And just strange things, strange, strange things, Matt. But I was just curious to see what your thoughts were on that unfortunate progression in our country. Yeah.

Actually, in light of that, I've got a question for you because we had this question come up yesterday, and we were talking about some stuff. But, yeah, it's unfortunate. The Jews are an easy target. As people tend to want someone to blame, we need a scapegoat. We can't blame ourselves.

We can't blame our friends and the people with similar ideas.

So it's got to be somebody else. and it's just, as we know through history, the Jews have suffered from that many times.

So I think it's consistent with the fallenness of man. But I want to ask you a question and see what you think of this.

Now, I'm not using this as an excuse to hate on the Jews, but at the crucifixion of Christ or the trial when they said Barabbas or Jesus and Pilate said Jesus is an innocent man, in Matthew 27-25, people said his blood be on us and our children.

Now, do you think that what's happened to the Jews throughout history could possibly be spiritually linked to that? Yeah, you know, that's a really good question.

So there's some interesting components to that, I think, that if you don't study the Mosaic Covenant in great depth, you might miss something.

So the Mosaic Covenant was something, according to Deuteronomy 29, 29, where the people of Israel, they agree to it, but it doesn't just agreed upon them, but it's from them to their children forever. And so there's this idea of we accept something that passes on, right? But the reason that I don't think that that probably is occurring in that very section is because, and I'm sorry I'm doing this by memory, Matt, But I think that it's in Acts chapter 2, and it might be Acts chapter 3, that when the Jewish people, and that's who it was, who ended out accepting the gospel on Pentecost, and the language even makes it look like the people that were baptized were the very ones that were involved with the death of Jesus. and when he asked them, because he makes a reference to that, Peter does, in Acts chapter 2, and he says this in, like, verse 36, Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. And in verse 37 it says, Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said to them, repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit for the promises to you and your children.

So yeah, I think that there is a suffering that passes down generationally, but that's always available towards coming to Jesus. and here even that passes down to their children and so it's almost like we all have a curse in some way shape or form what we call original sin and interestingly Matt biblically that that original sin passes from the father biologically to the children not the mother so that Jesus' virgin birth he would have been void of original sin. But so what happens is there is that thing that passes down to all of us, but it clearly looks like both here and in other sections that whatever that is, that avon in Hebrew, which is translated iniquity, that thing that passes down, can be dealt with through the blood of Jesus.

So yeah, Jewish people suffer, and I think that one of the reasons that they suffer is clearly the rejection of Jesus nationally. But I believe that according to Romans 11, 25, 26, that according to Zechariah 12, according to Matthew 23, 37-39, that there will be a time where Israel repents and turns to Jesus. But this time won't happen until the gospel goes throughout the nation.

So really, I guess the answer to any of the problems of whether it's passing down of sin or whether the problem is anti-Semitism or the problem of Jesus not being here, the answer that he gives us as to how to deal with any of these things is share the gospel. That's right. Amen. Good stuff.

Now, you're Jewish. I don't know if you want to say your last name over the air or not. It's up to you. Yeah, sure. I don't care.

My name's Rubenstein, my last name. And I can say this lovingly. You look Jewish, too. You do. Yeah, I think I might be the most Jewish-looking person I know, Matt.

Yeah, you're the most Jewish person. If so, you know, typical, you fit. But you know what's really nice about you is your heart for the Lord Jesus and your heart for the people, for the Jews. And it's a great thing to see in you and in others. But, you know, I've always been blessed by your friendship, Trevor.

I always have been. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're a blessing, Matt. Let's talk soon, and God willing, that would be so wonderful to tour with you guys. Yeah, it's the only way we could do it, is if we could do special accommodations for my wife, because she can't make certain trips, you know, unless we have special arrangements.

But, yeah, it's doable.

Okay. Yeah, and say hi to Kelsey for me. You know? I will, and she sends her love, man, of course. Oh, she's listening?

Hey, Kelsey.

Well, You know, she's always spying on what I'm doing, Matt.

Okay. All right, brother. We'll talk later. Talk to you later. All right, then.

God bless. Yeah, I've known Trevor for a few years. He's a great guy. He has such a great heart for the Lord. He's a tender, kind man.

He's a good man.

So, praise God. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-227. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live.

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Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. hi matt um my question is um how would you respond to an atheist who says uh numbers 5 11 through 23 uh supports abortion uh i know i know what i would say but i would like to hear what you had to say first i'd say well show me that in the scripture show it to me where that's the case because it doesn't say that. It says that her stomach will swell and if she's drinking the bitter water and bitterness will come upon her if she was unfaithful.

That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about a termination of a pregnancy. And that's what I, you know, this was recently asked me just last week. And I said, where does it say that? And it doesn't.

I tell them it doesn't do it. And even if it does mean that God is the one who's doing that, he's executing judgment. You don't have the right to do that. You're not the author of all life. God is.

He has the right to execute judgment upon whom he desires. And so you can't answer back and say you don't like it.

So I say either way, you know, the atheist doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Okay? Yeah. How I will respond is, because I read the NIV a lot, and when I first saw this scripture, the NIV actually uses the word miscarry and a miscarriage and an abortion are two completely different things An abortion is when you intentionally want to get rid of your child but a miscarriage is most of the time an accident But in this case, it's God executing judgment on the child because of the sins of the mother, and we see God executing judgment on people's children in other passages of Scripture as well.

So, you know, yeah. That's right. I totally agree with you, and good observation.

So the atheists, for some strange reason, hate God and hate God's Word, hate Scripture, and are always working to try and disprove it. And they regularly fail because they don't read context. They infer things that aren't necessarily there, and they fail to understand biblical theology in regard to various things that God allows and God does.

So, yeah. Good for you, man. Yeah. So, I've heard some atheists say that, I think it's 1 Corinthians 6-9 that says homosexuals were not. inherit the kingdom of god sometimes they like to say that um other greek word it doesn't mean homosexual it means uh perverts but i actually looked up um what it says on bible up in the concordance and it definitely does mean homosexual yeah it's arsenikoytas in the greek and uh man better is what it is um it reminds me actually a funny little story i was going someplace and i here in town and I parked in front of this building.

I didn't know anything. I looked up and it said, Nazarene Church. I went, well, that's interesting. And it was an office. You know, that's interesting.

And then I looked to the left and it was a pro-homosexual this and that sign in the window. And I'm like, what? And then I just happened to, it just happened to happen where I just, I'm looking and they're getting out of the church. People are walking out. I'm like, Okay, so here I am.

And I started talking to this guy, walking with him. I said, what is this? And I said, are you guys promoting homosexuality or just reaching out to that community? He goes, it's not sinful. I said, what?

I said, of course it's sinful. And he got mad at me. And he says, do you even know the Greek word for homosexual? I said, yeah, sorry, cortis. His eyebrows shot up.

And it was really kind of funny because he wasn't expecting a quick response. But nevertheless, this is a funny story. But, yeah, it does say that. And in other areas, it's very definite. You can go to 1 Corinthians 1, 26 through 28, where that kind of thing is also denounced.

And it's just ungodly, and it needs to be repented like any other sin. Yep. Yep. Yeah, so.

Well, good for you. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, so since I got the abortion thing on my mind, my question, so when people have abortions, do you think it's possible that God sometimes allows the spirit of that baby to be born in the future of a future pregnancy? No, that would be reincarnation.

Oh, right, right, right, yeah.

So no, the child thus life taken goes to be with the Lord because it is human and goes to be with God. That's what I believe. But no, not a chance to go into another body. That would be reincarnation because the body and the soul are designed to work together and god creates that in the womb and so it's supposed to be that together so it wouldn't be that he has now two bodies if you see what i'm saying okay yeah okay have you have you ever heard of the argument that um some people some christians who believe in reincarnation they say that uh john the baptist was elijah reincarnated have you ever heard of that before oh yes and one of the reasons is is because uh john the baptist there's a theory about this john the baptist's dad was a priest and one of the things that that elijah had was a camel's hair mantle what did john the baptist wear camel hair mantle and so there's a theory and it's just theory can't be proven that if Elijah was taken did his candles here mantle stay and it was kept in the the priesthood and that the priest of of John the Baptist took it and gave it to his son it's just a it is a theory you know you can't prove it can't you know it's just interesting but also there's a prophecy that Elijah would come before you know the Messiah and that was John the Baptist, and the spirit of Elijah, the proclamation and the truth and the power.

So that's all that was. It was not a reincarnation, because the Bible says it's appointed to men to die once, then judgment, Hebrews 9.27.

So there's no such thing as reincarnation.

Okay? Right. Yep. I agree. Okay.

Yeah. Good for you. Anything else? Go ahead. We've got nobody waiting, so go ahead.

Let me think. Um, so, um, I know that, uh, scripture teaches that, uh, John of Memphis was, he came in the spirit and power of Elijah. But, um, there's also the interpretation that, that, um, that, uh, that might actually be a dual prophecy and that, and that, um, one of the two witnesses might also be Elijah as well. Yes, there's theories about that. Because of the verse I said, Hebrews 9.27, it's appointed the men to die once, some think that Enoch and Elijah, who both were taken up into heaven, will be the ones who come back and are killed.

That's just a theory. And when Moses and Elijah appeared in the Transfiguration in Matthew 17, that's a representation of the law and the prophets. And so some say it might be Moses and Elijah.

so I would say rather it be Elijah and Enoch if anybody, if it's them or it might not be, it might be somebody else so, you know yeah I'm trying to think alright, so what are your thoughts on the preterist position that says that the Antichrist was a Nero or somebody else in the first century and that we don't have to worry about a future Antichrist in the future. Yeah, they're wrong. They're flat-out wrong. Because it says in Acts 1-9, it talks about how Jesus will return. He will return in the clouds, the same way he went up into heaven.

And the preterists say that that's not the case. The preterists say that it was him returning in the armies of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. they're simply wrong and I've heard the arguments that the preterists give as they spiritualize this section of scripture Acts 1 9 to 11 but they just that's all they're doing is spiritualizing it so in order to make their doctrine fit into the text so no Nero was a type of Antichrist he certainly was but there's supposed to be one coming who's even worse and we know from 1 Thessalonians 2. Let's see, let me get to it. I just had to write, typed the wrong thing in there.

There we go. It says, we request you better with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, the return of Christ and our gathering together to him. That's the rapture. That you not be quickly shaken, etc. The rapture is talked about in 1 Corinthians 4, 16-5, verse 2.

So it's there, and that is with the return of Christ. They're caught up into the clouds. What the preterists will do is say, clouds mean a bunch of witnesses, which they just go away. And it says that this will not occur until the apostasy comes first, and a man of lawless is instructed, etc., who will set up in the temple of God. And so the event of the catching up of the people to be with Christ is right there with the return of Christ.

That obviously didn't happen in 70 AD. It just didn't happen.

Furthermore, when you go to Matthew 13, the wheat and the tares parable, you read the actual parable and the interpretation that Jesus gives of it. He says the first ones gathered are the wicked, not the good. They're taken out of the kingdom.

So, if they're going to say that the return of Christ was in 70 AD, then it's the wicked who had to be taken out of the kingdom. And we couldn't say it was an earthly kingdom at that time. It's a different kind of kingdom.

So this is not a literal issue of 70 AD. It's something else going on.

So the preterist view, in my opinion, is just unfounded and cannot be defended adequately.

Okay? yeah and also i just thought of something too because uh revelation mentions the false prophet but was there a um a uh another person that was helping narrow who could be considered a false prophet who was trying to get people to serve narrow or and like threaten them with death i'm sure there probably were but unfortunately a lot of those records are destroyed in the fire that happened, the destruction of Jerusalem. There's a lot of stuff going on. And so people would not write negatively about Nero because they could be killed for it.

So a lot of this stuff would be lost, let's just say. What we can go with is what the scripture says and the brief account from Josephus and other historians about that time and draw conclusions from that. But no absolutes, I would say. We just draw theories.

Okay? Okay. All right. Hey, man, we're out of time because we've got 30 seconds and the music's starting. All right, buddy?

All right. You have a good one, Matt. You too. God bless. All right.

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