Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right everyone, welcome to the show. Your list of matches look live. Today's date is, let's see, it is 924, 2025.

So if you want to give me a call today, you can do that. All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. And uh I'll be out of the studio uh Tomorrow? And Friday and Monday. I'm going to my third.

50, 50-year high school reunion.

So I'll be doing that. It won't be on the year. It'll be Lord willing. Be back on Tuesday.

So everything should be fine. And I'm looking forward to that because I had some friends back in the day, back in high school, and we hung out, four of us, just hung out all together all the time. And we went our separate ways. Only one of them I'm in real still contact with. And the other two, uh, you know, Semi-contact.

But it'll be fun. And I'm looking, hoping, for the opportunity to be able to witness. That's my goal. I want to be able to witness. I was known as a brainy hack in high school.

Yeah, I talked to people after high school. I met them a year, two, three years later. They go, oh, you're that smart guy. That's what they would say. And I thought, oh, I didn't know that.

At any rate.

So um I guess I was known for that too. We'll see.

Now, I'm known for being obstreperous, irritating, and a doofus.

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Welcome, you're on air. Hi, Masswick Live. I'm a Short time listener, second time caller.

Okay. There's always one to say that. Uh anyway, sir. I have It's gonna be talking about the you know the murder of Charlie Kirk and I wanted to not be hasty on everything that I've been hearing and Yeah. all what I was thinking was all going on because I did that.

So Basically, at first I agree that he was a martyr. And then Then I went and said, no, he's not a martyr.

Sorry, at first I said he's not a martyr, then I went that he is a martyr. And then when my um life approached me and was having some concerns about her and I being uh like questioning and being confused, are we Are we not? Are we too firm in our biblical beliefs of that we are not to be partnering and having fellowship with darkness According to 2 Corinthians six, fourteen through eighteen.

So when she brought concerns here. that really made me dig back into a little bit deeper of well, what is an actual biblical marterer And Basically what I came Um But I came to cross with it. Martyr in the Bible is because they were. Call on everyone to repentance from their idolatry and that it's a And it was just it just wasn't a particular site. but it was anybody and everybody that was in that.

Um Well Okay. Um Do you have a question? I'm going to do this. Yeah, yeah, sorry, there's a lot of.

So, my question. Um Pertains to Second Corinthians six, fourteen through eighteen Are we to be Partnering With Catholics and Mormons. Yes. in a sense, for the greater good. No.

Okay, we are not to be unequally yoked. Catholics, the official Catholic theology is not Christian. We should not, as a Christian church, join in fellowship with a Catholic Church. Or a Mormon church, or Jehovah's Witness, or Eastern Orthodox. They're not true biblical religions.

And uh So That's that's having said that, To what extent might we work together and what does it mean?

So If there's a Mormon church nearby, and they are doing a clean up of a park. Can Christians go and participate? Yeah. as long as they're not encouraging or supporting Mormonism. And the same with Catholicism.

So we have to be careful, and each person must be convinced in his own mind about this, but we are, you know. What I like to do is work on extremes and then work towards the gray area in the middle. And like for example, we would not join in a worship service with Mormons. They are non-Christians, teach a false God, false Christ, false gospel. Nor would we do that with the Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church teaches a false gospel, false priesthood, and promotes idolatry.

So we're not to join in a worship service to God with the heretics and unbelievers. But uh you know, like the Catholic Church stands against uh um abortion and that's a good thing.

So can we stand out in front of a uh a uh a clinic. with signs while the Catholics are there and we're doing the same thing. Yes, we can. We can join them. It's n uh In that sense, but we're not supporting them in their false churches, their false doctrines.

Okay. And that's That's exactly what I believe. And I was telling her: no, no, we are. Um or not to be partnering with them. And The reason too that this is come back to the m the whole everyone calling him A moderer.

for his faith.

Well word is marcher marcher Marcher. Yep, there we go.

Sorry, I'm still learning English. That's I Anyways, uh a martyr So there was a video about a month to two months ago with Charlie. curve on his show and he was stating that He thinks Christians under venerate Mary And he thinks that we have over-corrected and don't talk about Mary enough, and we don't. uh venerate her. Fair enough.

And what uh I love to see that. Yeah, I'd love you to see that quote. Um It's so it's on a It's on his show. Yeah, if you can just find it, send it to me later. Yeah.

Um It depends on what he said and how he said it.

Now, I do know that he said that he would not join a Catholic Church because one of the reasons was because you can only have one sinless person, not two: Jesus and Mary. And then there was a a quick comment he made.

So okay. I've you know, I haven't seen all of the hits It's stuff.

So I don't want to I know there's stuff out there I know I didn't see, but it's I've also seen a photo of him Uh that the person whoever took the photo was claiming that he was in partaking in math. Because I believe I've heard that his wife is a Catholic. I don't know.

So here's the thing: we always have to find out documentation. If you come on the radio as an example, and say you heard you're Catholic, well, people might pick up on that and say, well, it's true. Is it true or is it not true? This is why I always say to people, Well, do you have any documentation? And it's not a malicious challenge.

It's, well, maybe it's true. Let's document it. Because as a researcher, I need to find things.

So that's why I say, hey, you know, if you've got a video, send it to me. You know, I'll check it out and take a look. Because if you said something positive about the Catholic Church, Doesn't mean he's right or wrong. It depends on what he's saying and what context he's saying it. And we could look at it that way.

He's not a theologian. But um He wasn't a theologian, but he knew his stuff. He was good, you know.

Okay. Yeah, no, I he definitely was God gifted him and used him greatly. I don't disagree with that one bit. I did have So um The Mark uh markarid. Did I say that one right?

Martyr. Moderate. Margaret. It's a weird one. It's spelled M A R T Y.

Y R Why are So So on that for um the Listen. people in the Bible that I came across, it seemed like They were Knowingly in a very dangerous nation or surrounding, knowing that they very easily. would their could lose their life for Rebuking Even those in power. for for their sins. And I guess Where I'm a little Um I don't know if I've ever seen anything of him publicly.

Rebuking and calling to repentance Republicans and conservatives like he has the liberal. The liberal left side. All it is is a matter of documentation. I mean, if you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it. But.

Uh let me ask you, do you got do you have a follow-up question and issue? of going with that. Would he be considered a You know A martyr martyr. Yeah, he's a A martyr is someone who dies for what it is they're teaching, believing, and standing for.

So He was ultimately, hopefully. I mean, if I never talked to him, but. if if I had a conversation with him and you know I would ask what's your ultimate you know goal you know to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and that's why he does the the thing on college campuses and and um Uh you know, the politics and stuff. Then he died ultimately for his faith. He's a martyr for the Christian faith.

If he uh said, Well, I'm just doing politics, that's all I'm really interested in if he said that I know it's not true, but if someone were to say that and they were assassinated in that, then they're a martyr for their cause.

So martyrs die for what they believe in and That belief can be different. You can have a martyr in Islam. A marcher in um Even an atheist. who's a uh who could die for his cause of atheism, which pointless. But at any rate So it's possible, okay?

Yeah, no, thank you. I just I'm trying to get this stuff figured out because I don't want to be you know, deceived on any sort of uh And uh But um I do want to say yeah, he I love what he was doing with the the generation and going on the college campuses. And I really hope that this is something real and it's a follow through and it When people are are repenting and coming to that saving faith in Jesus Christ that it's uh Okay. and that people aren't doing this and idolizing, you know, um being a a patriot kind of thing for for a comfortable lifestyle, but doing it for the right reasons.

Well, that's always a good thing to do it for the right reasons. That's right. And the ultimate right reason Is for the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Okay. Amen. Amen. Appreciate your time, sir. All right, butter.

God bless. God bless. You as well. God bless. And bye.

All right.

Well, we've got about a few seconds left in the show. I mean, left in this segment. We're going to get to Michael afterwards because we've got just a The music's going to start here in a bit. And he's from Texas. We'll be talking about spiritualism.

In the meantime, I just want to let you guys know that I'll be off the air for the rest of the week and on Monday. And I'll be back on live on Tuesday, just giving you an FYI. You know, if you want to call me today, the number is 877-2072276. We're right back with Michael. after the break.

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2276. Let's get to Michael from Texas. Michael, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

Hey, I was wondering yesterday, you I guess maybe a two-part question, but you mentioned that. It's kind of prophesized that spiritualism will be on the rise Where do we find that? And do you see this as a negative or a positive sign in the church? It's negative because it's sinful. And it occurs in Oh man, why do they do that?

Oh, I can change it over here. It's spoken about it indirectly. In 1 Timothy 4. Verse 1. But the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

So, the deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, doctrines plural, like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Islam.

So there's different doctrines. There's only one true doctrine, and it's in the scriptures. preserved in the scriptures, but false groups And spiritual groups will often say that the Bible's corrupted, etc., etc. It's pretty much a common. MO.

So that's where it s talks about it in there. And It's also dealt with in Galatians 5, 19 through 21. The deeds of the flesh are Are evident, which are immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy.

Sorcery is the word pharmakia in the Greek, which means that there is a Probably. And along with it, a drug. Assisted alteration of the mind in order to contact the spiritual realm. and this is part of spiritualism or spiritism. And it it's on the rise.

My last My last count that I'd heard was 70 million people in the world are spiritualists. And so what it is, is seeking the dead. Seeking those who died before you, which is forbidden, flat out forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:10 through 12.

So It's what spirit what what the Bible is condemning is contacting those people who have died before you.

Now, except Jesus, of course, he's God and man, and we're to seek him and have fellowship with him, 1 Corinthians 1:9. But For example, the Roman Catholic Church breaks the commandment not to seek the dead when it prays to the dead saints and seeks them. And then when they have so-called manifestations, blah, blah, blah. See, that proves that Catholicism is true. And it doesn't.

It just means there's what's called a familiar spirit that manifests. When you go to 1 Samuel 28, uh the witch of Endor There's an an instance there where Saul went and he wanted to talk to Samuel, and he went there, and it really was Samuel who came, and the witch was surprised. And she goes, Wait a minute, this is something's going on here. This is really him. In other words, she was aware that there are spirits in the afterlife, the demonic realm, that can imitate humans.

And so, this is one of the reasons that the Bible expressly forbids contacting the dead. And you have these apparitions of Mary occurring in different places, and they are demonic. Because they violate scripture for one thing, and they teach abominable doctrine. And sometimes I read them on the air, some of the things these apparitions teach. It's just obviously it's not of God.

And the Catholic Church says, yeah, it's true.

Okay, it's I gave you a lot of info, but there you go. Yeah. All right.

And so my other question would be So I've seen in the last few years, it seems like post COVID that there's been an increase again in Church attendance. but it seems more like popularity and production And but with this resurgent, we've also seen far more outreach taking place, care for the homeless, food banks, et cetera. which seems like kingdom work, but the depth of understanding the scriptures like how we rightly divide Is more of a homework assignment, it seems like, not a and uh and now.

So, my thing is, my question is: what is the role of the church in this? Or am I expecting too much from the church to. To want to be, you know, to wanna be educated or should is that not the place for Sunday morning or? Yes it is. It it Church is the place where you get equipped.

So it says In Ephesians 4:11, and he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building of the body of Christ, until we attain in the unity of the faith. The unity of the faith is the essentials. The doctrine of the Trinity, the person and work of Christ, justification by faith alone, things like this. These are the essentials. The Christian Church needs to know them.

Now, If I were to go over to First Timothy, five seventeen it says this Where the elders That's masculine plural in the Greek, not neuter, that includes women, it's the elders, males, who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching.

So a preacher. Is by default an elder.

Now, when we go to First Timothy chapter 3. I'll go to Titus 1 instead, because it makes it look quicker. Go to Titus 1, starting at verse 5. For this reason, Paul says, I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city.

Now Here we go. I'm going to read some stuff.

So, the church, the purpose of the pastors. The it's actually a fourfold ministry, not five. People go, it's the pastors, the uh The apostles, prophets, let's see, I have to look at it again. Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. Actually, in the Greek, it's the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

So the definite article the covers two at the end.

So by default, the pastor is a teacher. And we know this because from 1 Timothy 5:17, a pastor is an elder.

So it says in Titus 1 and also in 1 Timothy 3. That an elder should be above reproach, the husband of one wife, children who believe, etc. And he's supposed to be able to look at the verse, hold verse 9, holding fast a faithful word, which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he'll be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and refute those who contradict.

So Titus 1:9 is the command. By of Paul to Titus, dealing with in the pastoral epistles to the elders, pastors are elders, therefore. They're supposed to be pastor teachers who Can teach the word faithfully, be able to exhort sound doctrine and refute those who contradict.

Okay. Now If I were to go into an average church, And quiz the congregation. with basic theology. that I would find that basically most of them would fail. Most of the congregations don't know basic doctrine.

I've seen this repeatedly when I go to seminars and I ask diagnostic questions: how many believe this and that? and uh it's bad across the the board.

Now, you see, you've got me going on this because this is something that bothers me a lot.

Okay, so I'll add a little bit more.

Sorry about that. I know I'm taking a long time.

Okay, no, thank you. No, I appreciate it. But. When I was back in Southern California, I was baptized, my wife and I were baptized by Chuck Smith, the founder of Calvary Chapel. And I was able to do a, in college, I was able to do a test, blah, blah, blah, social science thing.

And my theory turned out to be wrong, but I learned something. And in fact, we'll get back to the break. I'll tell you what I learned, and I'll use this as a segue to get into other stuff, and then we'll get back in, because this is a very important topic, a very worthwhile topic. and it's one of the ones that are close to my heart.

So hold on, buddy. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. I know I'm giving a lot here, but it's important to stuff. Be right back. Please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy, welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour.

Let's get back on with Michael from Texas. You still there, buddy? Yes, sir. I'm here.

Okay. So, along with what you're saying, you may not know this, maybe you do figure it out by now, but this is a very important issue. close to my heart. I could talk about this a lot. But uh I was saying that um Back in the day at Calvary Chapel, they call it Big Calvary.

This is where my wife got saved. And I'm not knocking Calvary Chapel. It's just this has happened in Baptist churches, in other churches, Don Danam churches where I've spoken.

So it's across the board. But in that particular instance, when I did a survey to learn what their doctrinal knowledge was, and I had a theory related to that, my theory was wrong, but that's okay. That's what social science, that's what you do in your research. You, hey, I'm wrong about this. That's okay.

But nevertheless, Eighty percent of their people were functioning Roman Catholics in in the doctrine of salvation. when I presented information to the Bible study leader of 250 people. They were shocked. what this tells me. Is and this is not just there.

But others. I've been I could I have a very specific memory of being at a church teaching and asking people how many believe in the Trinity, the hands go up, how many could defend the Trinity, no hands go up, how many believe Jesus is a man right now, half the hands go up. How many believe that you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do when the hands go up? And I just quoted the Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25, 23. And people just don't know.

And so perhaps it's the case that more pastors are dealing with feelings from the pulpit than faith. When I mean the faith, that are dealing with people's feelings rather than the faith.

Okay, now I'm going to toot my own horn here just a little bit. All right, now. I know I'm going a lot, but this is so important.

So I remember back in the day, I did pulpit supply for several years in Southern California, which is 200, I mean, 22 million people back down there. And I could drive in any direction, and I'd speak at different churches a lot. And it was great. I loved doing it. And it was hardly at my own church because I was out preaching.

constantly. And So I would I remember once I was at a particular church and the sermon where I was in on the text warranted a bit of doctrine. Just for clarification purposes. And I had been learning a lot of stuff. And so now it's just part of me.

Doctrine's a part of me. I can think it, I can breathe it, and where the verses are, how they interrelate, I can do all that.

So anyway, that was beginning to happen at that time, and I threw doctrine in. You know, just for 30 seconds, or maybe it was a whole minute. This is how this is related to this. This is why, because blah blah blah, the Trinity, blah, blah, blah, the person of Christ. But okay, went on.

I said, that's why this is like this. The people came up to me. And That was the one time I had more responses than any other time. People came up to me and said, We've loved that. We never hear it and never get it.

And we want more of that. Then I started doing that in different churches, and I got similar responses. People were appreciative of me putting in just doctrinal nuggets.

So they were being taught. They want their minds being taught. And the Bible says, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. But the churches today aren't doing it. And one last comment, I think it's because the pastors Are not familiar enough with how to articulate what's the basics of the Christian faith and some not so basic, some more advanced stuff on the fly in a sermon that they need to do.

And they need to be able to provide a time during the week or whatever where they can teach advanced theological principles that interrelate throughout the scriptures. Not the average pastor can't do that. And I'm not bragging. You know, I've had the unusual ability, opportunity I should say, to do this for years and years, so it's become part of me. But not everybody can do that.

So maybe there's, you know, I see it and I'm like, Wish they would do it this way and teach the basics of the faith so they can ground them and give them reasons. And one last, last thing, I'll be doing that in part at a church when I got to go speak in two and a half hours. I've got to be at a church. In speaking on this, I'm going to be giving to the congregation. the cosmological and and transcendental argument for God's existence using um disjunctive syllogism and the the necessity of of uh necessary and sufficient conditions.

So holy beggar, they may be stretching their brains.

So, okay.

Okay, I know I said a lot.

Okay. All right, well, you you definitely answered my question.

So I guess just in the meantime, I I mean, I don't know, just seek for something else. I'm sure there's a church out there that's teaching this or or just keep reading the word and and getting my I hope from there. Excuse me, I just coughed. Do both. We need that church.

We need what the pastors have. They go through the word, and God anoints that word. And we need that, but the pastor is supposed to equip the Christians for the work of ministry, in other words, they're supposed to be equipped. Hypothetically, let's say that someone said to me, Matt, there's a church here, got a thousand people on regular attendance, the pastor's going away for one year. Would you fill in for one year being preacher?

I'd say, sure, no problem. No.

This is a hypothetical. And then the first Sunday, I said, okay, everybody. My preaching style is a little bit different. I go to the word. I get involved.

I'm one of those white guys who preaches like a black guy, you know, and those old southern. I love that stuff. Oh, man, I love that stuff. And I get involved, you know, and I'm moving back and forth and having a good time. Anyway, I love the pulpit.

And so I'd be saying, There's that, which is a little bit unusual, and I'll be teaching you doctrine. And I'll be requiring of you to do a little homework because during a sermon I might say. For next week, study this. And I'm going to teach you what that is. On a Wednesday night, come in, and I'm going to teach you more advanced so you can ask questions.

And so, how many people would go to a church like that? I don't know.

I would think that the the tennis would drop severely. Yeah. Because if you say, I'm going to equip you to know the doctrines are, and evangelism, and how to reach out in your community in some way that you're gifted with, not the way I am, with your giftings. Like moms crocheting little hats for the newborns at hospitals and going there and giving them to the new moms and witnessing beautiful things like that. Everybody can do something.

Yeah. Okay. Is right now I'm off I'm off my soapbox. Go ahead.

Okay. Well, I just I just I appreciate it. I really do.

So and I think that's something too, because I really feel like uh I'm kind of being called into more outreach, more ministry. I just but I don't know like should the church that was my question, should the church be nurturing it? Or is this growth something I'm expected to do on my own? I think you You kind of answered that.

So, um Yeah, we did any church. Unfortunately, what I do with Carm is independent of any church.

Now notice I said unfortunately I remember one church, like I said, there's so much. There's the iceberg. You don't realize you've touched the iceberg surface here. There's so much. I was attending a church once, and one of the elders came to me and said that I needed to be under their headship, as Karm goes.

And I said, Okay, I'm not you know, I don't have any problem with that And they and I said and what would that look like? What would that mean?

Well, we would review your articles, we would review what you do, and you'd you know, you go through us and make sure that everything's good. I remember staring at the guy, and not disrespectfully, but I said, Well, I appreciate that, but I'd have to teach you all kinds of stuff in order for you to be able to do that. I don't mean it disrespectfully. You know, I don't mean that that way. But I said, there's just a lot here.

You have to know all kinds of topics. And the average elder has got a job and a family. And you can't do that. And I said, I'm not complaining, I'm not being resistant. I'm just saying.

That's a a potential issue I see. And it never went further than that. And really, I would not try to be arrogant or dismissive. I'd say, well, okay, how would you know what I'm writing is good or bad? You know, you know, for the most part it's pretty easy, I think.

But it was just a question and Anyway, like I said, this is a big topic for me. It's a huge topic.

Sorry, man. You gotta be going. All right, so we're good. That's your fault.

Okay, well yeah, I appreciate it. I'm going to keep seeking and keep listening to you and learning what I can, but I do appreciate it. And thank you so much for your wisdom and your help.

Well, I appreciate it. And may the Lord bless you. You know, just trust Him and go. That's my philosophy. Trust and go.

All right.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you. All right.

Sounds good. God bless. All right.

Yeah, you know, it's not very often that someone Just Gets me going, and that's one of the things that gets me going, and it does. I can't help it. All right, let's get on with Chuck from Ohio. Hey Chuck, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you for coming to you. Hi, thanks, Matt.

Okay. I I got a question that uh My granddaughter, she's Just graduated from college. recently and Her uh aunt is uh I I saw her post on Facebook. Can she I don't really know a lot about it. I just saw it, but she had something on there about her aunt.

of giving her a couple readings. And that they were right on. Yeah. Yeah, I know we're in. Uh a little.

We gotta break them. And when you said give her some readings, you're talking about the occult. And uh yeah, so right.

Okay, we'll be we'll hold on uh we'll be right back, okay. Hey folks, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-272. Two two. Seven, six, she'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everyone, welcome back to the last segment of the hour. Just to let you know, I'll be off the air Thursday, Friday, this Thursday and Friday, the 25th, 26th, and back on next week live, Lord willing, on Tuesday. Uh because I'll be uh out of state, going to my 50-year high school reunion.

Alright, let's get back on with Chuck from Ohio. Hey, Chuck, welcome. You're honey here. I Yeah. Um let's talk about my little granddaughter.

She's a sweet I Mm. And her aunt j is a nice person. I I like her, but uh I think she's very confused. She used to be like a principal with a one of these Gloria Day Schools. And she would have Oh different.

Perhaps come in and present their views to the kids. And that always bothered me.

Well, do you have a question about this? You have a question or anything? with my granddaughter and I don't really know a lot about them other than I just read Do you know what she posted on Facebook and she said something about them being right on right on or a very accurate or something like that.

So where where do you start at with something like that?

Well, uh you ask about What happens, who it is, you want to get information, you don't want to come off too strong. And uh you need to know that demonic forces have great wisdom and ability and predictability in certain things.

So they will have knowledge of people's work. Things where things are in the house, and they can work through an occultist to reveal information as for the deception. Yeah. So, you got to pray about this, you got to pray against it. And when you do this, just be ready for a potential of a little bit of a spiritual attack because that's just one of the things that sometimes happens when people start.

Praying against the demonic forces and pray for an opportunity to be able to witness to her and that she would. learn that it's just occult practice. This stuff is occultism.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I wanted to mention something too. I don't know how many people.

had the opportunity to see it, but um Jack you. Yeah. I believe it was That uh Charlie Kirk was And He has a lot of information, and he was a close friend of his.

So he said, just talk to him. within, you know, a matter of hours that before he was shot. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, there's lots of connections, and you know what they say everybody's within seven persons of somebody else. Um I know a guy.

Or I've talked to a guy who talked who worked with him.

So Yeah, but at any rate, um Yeah, he died for the f for his faith and for what he believed in and um It's unfortunate.

Okay. Yeah. I know, I mean, it it kind of reminds me of I mean, he I I don't believe he was a theologian, but he seemed like he was really learning fast. And he wasn't afraid to talk about Jesus Christ being his Savior. And and you know Him, you know, he's, I heard him say, you know, I'm a sinner, Jesus Christ saved my life.

I heard a lot of good things from him, so Like I said, I I didn't think that he had uh Reached you know, or even try to be a theolog theologian, but Uh it reminds me of um you know, like David Brainerd or, you know, I don't know much about him or his uh a level of uh theology or even uh Even Jim Elliott for that. Yeah. But I just really admire uh you know what he said About the Lord Jesus Christ. Good, I appreciate that. That's good.

So okay, thanks a lot. We're gonna get to the next column, okay? Yeah, thank you.

Alright, well God bless.

Okay. Hey folks. Oh, we've got ten minutes left in the show. Let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome.

On the air. Hey, Matt, thanks for it.

Okay, call. Sure. What do you got, buddy? Let me turn this machine off. I'm over I'm I'm out here trying to stop the beavers from blocking the dam out here.

The beavers are You're making me mad. Anyway, um So my I I just had a couple of things I wanted Run by you. One was uh back uh, I don't know, when Obama was president. I was playing music in an all-black gospel group traveling around. I'm a guitar player.

I was a guitar player. He used to travel around in churches and do benefits and stuff. And I could see the writing on the wall about Obama. And I did my own research and it's seemed like I couldn't share it with anybody and People I I love the people I was traveling with and doing stuff with, but it seemed like Uh they were just really wanted a black president and I said Absolutely. Time.

but that ain't the right guy. Right. And then I saw Tony Evans actually endorsing him. And he had him in a sermon and everything. And I was like.

So what's the deal here? I I couldn't see how uh I it just really uh upset me that that uh the pastors were even endorsing him and there there was no discernment on So, I guess it just wasn't that they weren't doing their research or whatever. But I wanted to hear what your thoughts were on that. And I'll hang up. And the second thing was I wanted to ask you what you thought about Charlie Kirk.

He was a millionaire. He was a multi-millionaire, and he had. Security he could afford. The best security. And my feelings are A $300 drone could have prevented that accident.

Now, I know God allowed it to happen, and I believe the sovereignty of the Lord. But I'm saying that after two attempted assassinations on the President, on a rooftop, you'd think that these guys would have been that would have been their priority. Like I said, a $300 drone could have prevented that, and they were just standing around looking ten feet away. just really pissed me off and I don't believe it was uh three oh eight either because I'm a hunter and kicking his head off.

So what do you think about all that and I'll hang out?

Okay. Wow, a lot of stuff there.

So, yeah, it's unfortunate that a lot of pastors were approving of Obama. Because he was a socialist and he caused problems, and they should have done their homework beforehand. As far as the weaponry used, I'm not. Knowledgeable enough enough to say it was or wasn't. And yeah, drones.

Can Help. One of the things I think will probably come out of this is the issue of. increased security. The leftists They're violent. Not all leftists are, but a lot, we know where the violence is coming from, and it's coming from the left.

So it's necessary that the Conservatives They guard themselves. When I go out and uh do stuff, I'd like to have someone with me. Generally speaking, I'd like to have someone with me. I've been swatted, I've been threatened, I've had. I've had someone get within six inches of my face trying to, you know, and threatening me.

I've had. People tell me I'm going to be arrested. I've had all kinds of stuff happen. It happens when you confront darkness with the light. They don't like that.

And they get very upset and very angry. I've got lots of stories of being of these kinds of things happening. And so now, if I were to go back out and do those kinds of things again, where I go out and witness and evangelize, I would want backup. I'd want people there who are watching and scanning And I know two guys, three guys actually, I know three guys that if they were to do that with me, I'd be quite secure.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I I got guys.

So uh but at any rate the thing is I think that uh conservatives need to be even more uh cautious. because uh the evil uh people are out there. Yeah, and you know it It's like the ice uh fac uh facility shooting today in Texas. And if you guys have heard about that, But They're trying to attack ICE. And then we got the stupidity of the People's Republic of California saying.

that uh they need to have all the ICE people's their faces unmasked. It's insanity. you know so uh We have people who hate conservatism.

Now, think of it this way. There's two groups. Conservative liberals. Think of it as as this. Ask this question.

What is the foundational principle or philosophy that each group has?

Now, we can't give one for all. for all people. But generally speaking, Within the conservative movement, there's a lot of Christians, and their truth value is situated in the Word of God. But on the left, that's not the case, generally speaking. Their truth value is situated in themselves.

And so, when you have truth situated in themselves, then they can self-justify their hatred and their harm. Mm-hmm. We can't do that. Because the Bible tells us not to do that, and so those who are followers of Christ will pray for our enemies and. wish well on the end, but not going to hurt them.

But those on the left, who's those people who have that self-centered moral ideology. Where they know what's right because they feel. What's right? They're the ones who often get very violent. because they're self-centered, narcissistic uh people.

Sometimes when I I ask and I get these uh political kind of conversations with uh with people that I do on the web, and they'll give me these moral reasons. It's r everyone has the right for this and that and I said, On what basis do you say that? And I ask these questions, they give me a moral thing. I say, well, is it universally true, or is it just your opinion? And if it's universally true, give me the basis for that.

And if it's just your opinion, why are you trying to force your i ideology on everybody else? And they do not know how to handle these kinds of questions. They just get angry. they get angry. And I can tell you all kinds of stories and situations about that.

So, um This is a spiritual battle we are in, and we need to consider things from that perspective, for the spiritual aspect and truth of who it is that we are serving, the Lord Jesus Christ. And we have to understand that there are a lot of people who hate the truth. They a lot of people hate it. And I know I've experienced it personally, and I know many others have as well.

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