Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Matt, you're on. Oh M?

Okay. Ooh, didn't hear that. Hey, thanks. Boy, talk about uh It's pushing the envelope on stop. On time, eh?

So sorry about that, everybody. I'm just a little bit late.

Okay. Hey, look, folks, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 87720-72276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call, and we can talk. I've got, let's see how many lines we have.

Four open lines. I'm waiting for you. You can also email me if you're interested. Email at info at carm.org. Info at C-A-R-M.org.

I want to hear from you. Give me a call.

Now, um Let's see, tonight I gotta uh find out Uh I'm gonna find out 7 p.m. Eastern time, which is 5 p.m. my time.

Okay, so right after the radio show. Right after the radio show, I'm going to go on to Marlon Wilson's Inferior. To announce, I'm gonna do that. I don't have to type it in.

So, uh, right after the radio show, when it ends, I gotta jump on and get into a panel discussion tonight on oneness Pentecostal.

Now, oneness Pentecostal. Theology teaches that there is no Trinity, that Jesus and the Father are the same person. And it holds to what's called Nestorianism: that in the body of Christ are two persons, the divine and the human person. And there's ways to just wreck that kind of theology going to scripture, and I do that a lot. And we're going to have this discussion.

Now, I'm going to be, apparently, I'm going to be with another individual. Uh Yeah, so uh yeah. I do everything. By EST. There we go, Eastern Time.

So, um. I just need that info. I'm going to ask him because I don't want to tell you over the air here. Let's see, if you want, how about that to call in? And let us uh n I'm going to do that right now.

Let us know about the discussion.

Okay. I'm gonna do that right now. Let's see.

Okay, so that he can um All in well Marlon Wilson. He's a great guy. We've talked many times. I've done lots of debates on his channel. We're going to start moving them over to my channel.

We're getting ready to. To pull the plug on that. and uh or start it probably starts in October. A lot of things going to happen in October, which is the uh October 25th is the 30-year anniversary of the Carm website. and each Friday we have meetings and um So we had a two hour meeting today and our tech guy Peter, a great guy, loves the Lord, just loves the Lord.

And he's our tech guy. He's got. whiz bang stuff going on the carham website that is top-notch current, just absolutely current. And Uh it's Going to be, it's so good, you won't even know how good it is. That's how good it is.

It's going to be so.

So fast, there's going to be so many behind the scenes. Things and tech abilities and stuff like that, it's going to just keep us ahead of the game for a long time, for a long time. Anyway, hey, look, why don't you give me an email?

Okay, info at carm.org, info at carm.org, info at carm.org. You can do that. And. Also, I'm looking at some other ideas for microphone location. I keep thinking, I multitask, I multitask a lot.

And anyway, put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question, and we can get to them. We'll be dealing, like I said, in an hour. An hour from now, of oneness Pentecostal heresy. It's a non-Christian cult. It's a non-Christian call.

Let me tell you why. For one, it denies the Trinity. denies who God truly is. And it denies the truth of who Christ is as well and adds works to salvation. Let's get to.

Marlon from Texas. Hey, buddy. Hey, man. Welcome. You're on the air.

What's up, Matt? How are you doing, man? Doing all right, man. I was just talking about the one, the stuff, and how we're going to be on the air in an hour, right? In an hour from now?

Yeah. Yep, in an hour, uh you, Mr. Matt Slick, will be uh Well, looking to beat up on some oneness theology. And uh, you know, talk with our subject matter, man. It should be It's gonna be pretty fun to see interact with you guys, man.

So, oh, so was there to be another guy with me, or just me against two guys, two guys, which is fine. Yeah, Kelly Powers may jump on as well, but yeah, it should be fun.

Okay, good.

Now if people want to jump in and watch, what's the info for that? How could they do that? Yeah, if they want to jump in the watch, they can just go to the Gospel Truth YouTube channel, and there will be obviously a show be going on in that YouTube channel. and it should be easy to be viewed and get into the chat you know, get into the conversation, into the conversation or also if Anyone wants to jump into the frame, you know, there will be an open panel, but I'm gonna allow you and Kelly. to start off the show and you got to have full range Uh Interacting with the one of guys, and then maybe within 30 minutes or an hour after that.

Initial interaction allows Others to jump into the fray as well.

So there'll be a link in the live chat for others to join the conversation as well. But um that's all I think it's gonna be a fun one, man. I really do.

Well, good. And just so everybody knows, Marlon, we've. I don't know. probably done 10 or 20 things with you before over the years. And uh Marlon here loves the Lord.

Good guy. Oh, she's my neighbor. And so uh you need to move up that boat, man. And uh So, yeah, he's that kind of guy and good stuff and does a lot of good shows, a lot of good things.

So, I just want you to call up, man. I wanted you to give the information so people who are interested, because people ask me, well, what are you going to do this? What are you going to do that? Where is it? I don't know.

I'm just going to go on. You give me a link and I just show up, which is not real impressive.

So I gotta get Get the info, so that's why I had to call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it should be fun. It should be attractive. I invite everyone to come on, man.

If you guys don't know, Mr. My Sliff will not only be Participate in the open discussion, but he's actually going to be at the Well TGT 2025. conference as well. Um he's going to be debating a Muslim. And that should be a fun debate as well.

Yeah. Now you can have several guys there debating, right? In different nights. Is that it? Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, it's going to be a two-day conference. It's going to be you're going to be in there, obviously, and Guys like the likes of J Dr. James White's gonna be there. Anthony Rogers is going to be there. Um, who else fell?

Eli Ayala. We all know Eli Ayala. He's going to be debating. I'm Jeremiah Nortiris. Anybody who knows from Jeremiah Nortiris, he's a good brother of the Lord.

Jeremiah Nortier is going to be debating. And so you have a whole host of people. we're going to be debating and it should be fun. This is going to be in Texas in February, right? Yep, we're going to be in Dallas, Texas on february to be more specific, it'd be the sixth and the seventh of February.

So the first Friday and Saturday of February. is when the um when uh the conference is going to be taking place. All right, sounds good.

Now, I remember going over all the topics that are going to be debated, so I just want to throw my hat in the ring. If someone has to drop out and you need me to fill in another one, I'd be glad to. 'Cause there's plenty of time to practice and I love doing debates, so it's not a problem. But uh I know those guys are great. I know I've talked to all of them, and so they're good guys.

Except for Anthony. I'm not Anthony. You can tell Anthony I said that. Yeah, this is gonna be it's gonna it's gonna be fun, man. Um You know, I really enjoy debating.

I think debating is a very A very helpful way of learning at least the basics of a theological position. And it, you know, and if you do it right. you do it within the the queer paradigm, you know the gospel is that center of your apologetics.

So I think the base Debating is absolutely key. in our interaction, especially when it's done correctly. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Here's a bit of a story.

I know a guy. and he was in the Church of Christ. And he said that the karm stuff and one of my debates apparently helped him come out of the Church of Christ. And I'm not trying to chew my own horn, but it just shows you the value of debates. And I've had a lot of people over the years say that certain debates have really.

Solidified varying positions, and they could hear different positions, different things, go back and forth. And what's really interesting is apparently I lose every debate. That's what I've been told. From oneness people, I've always lost all the debates. The Catholics, I've always lost all the debates.

Atheists, I've always lost all the debates. Church of Christ, I've always lost all the debates. I don't know. I'm a complete, complete loser. Who's lost every debate?

That's what I've been. I've heard, I've heard, you know, I don't know.

So we'll see if you've lowered your standards to my level. We can go in. I'll lose another one. Who knows? Lose another one.

Yeah, man, you know how it is, man. Every time people are contrary to position, and you know, that's the first thing they say, oh, well, that's me. I didn't like his attitude or I don't like the way he shared that or I don't like this, I don't like that. Max look lost in debate, you know, so it's it's it's it's It's a city right here at Tyrannical. What the page really is.

Yeah, I had a debate with a guy named William Albright, and if I remember correctly, he was one of the worst debates I've ever had, ever encountered. Uh guy rude uh interruptive, wouldn't stay on topic. I mean bad. What was it was it on your channel? Do you remember that?

Was it yours on a different channel? Um I can't really no, I don't think it was on my channel. I think you're not was it on standing for truth with Donnie? It might have been. I'm trying to remember.

That's how bad. Was at any rate, the point is, someone just recently said, that guy beat you so bad for that. Yeah, what yeah. Man, I need to talk to Elon. I need to get a ticket to the planet you live on because that's going to be interesting over there.

You know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're great, man, and I appreciate everything you do. You've been doing it for a long time, sir.

And, you know, I ain't trying to call you old. I ain't trying to call you super senior or nothing like that. But, you know, you've been doing it for quite some time. I've been doing it a while. I have been doing it a while.

James White. You've been doing it a while. He's doing it a while. James Weiss got almost 200 formal debates under his belt. I think I have about a hundred uh debates under my belt.

I don't know, something like that. But uh Yeah.

So you're in the season, man. Both of you guys, man. I mean, I definitely appreciate you guys a lot, man. I got a lot of respect for you guys, man, because. You know, I don't think people understand what it takes to You know, I don't think people really understand what it takes to be able to.

Lowers your your I guess your your well your passion I guess I guess why we pass this debate, but I guess what I'm trying to say is to be able to step at the end. for the rain. You take a level uh it takes a level of bravery and courageousness because put yourself on the forefront in front of everybody. And as you know, the Internet never forgets these videos and these links and these clips, everything stay on Google, stay up in the Internet forever. And so for someone to do that, a lot of effort that it takes to produce.

Perfect of H2. People don't understand that. You will be preparing for three, four months, man, for these debates or something. It's very important that we respect We respect it. What it takes to debate.

And whether you agree or disagree with the person, You mean get it give that person very least. the fundamental respect that it that they actually step into the ring. you know, and what's what's also fascinating is that it typically is people that Never would even think about stepping. debate ring. that has the most complaints.

The most petites, the most percents, and all this, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've received uh numerous complaints about my debating style. I'm rude, interruptive, mean, can't think, horrible.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm like, okay. And I email them back, or they email me. And they'll say, Can you give me something specific so I can work on it? And it never say anything.

They never come back with anything specific, you know, and I'm like, okay, well, you know, thank you. Yeah, and that's just from the Baptists, you know. Man. Being careful about Baptist Baptists. That's for the Baptists?

Is that anything for the Baptist? Yeah, that's just for the Baptists. When I'm at a conference and I'm at a Baptist church or a Presbyter church, I'll say, blah, blah, blah, all this persecution. I go, and that's just for the Baptists. You know, the church I'm in.

So there's the music, buddy. We gotta go. All right, man. I forget. You got to get out of here now.

It's a break.

Well, hold on, man. Hold on, because we've got nobody waiting. It's a Friday. Hold on. Hey folks, be right back after these messages, please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy.

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And let's get back on with Marlow from Texas, an unexpected guest. We've got nobody waiting right now, so he and I are just talking. Right, Marlon, you're back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here, I'm here. Yeah, I mean, um, once again, I think most debates uh people really don't understand what it takes to jump into these debates, man, so As I said earlier, man, I just appreciate what you guys be doing.

You know, it's inspiring me as well. uh to never to never um run away from the conversation. You know, just like we just heard your commercial there with about Trony Kirk. You know, uh it's absolutely heartbreaking. uh what happened to Charlie Kirk.

Um absolutely devastating. Um and nothing. one thing that I appreciated about him was the fact that he opened the mic up to conversation. And I think that was what we should all be doing, you know, as Christians, man. As you bring the conversation into debating theological topics, We should always be open to that conversation.

We should always open our avenue, open up ourselves to that conversation. Yeah, and I should watch them with the baits before, man. They just have with developing these conversations to be able to eventually get present the gospel within apologetics. That's right. A lot of people don't realize that debate is biblical.

In Acts 17, 17, for this reason, In the synagogue with Jew Paul was, in the synagogue with the Jews and God-fearing Gentiles, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be present.

So, and he was reasoning with them. And the word in Greek is Let me get to his dealigami, I believe. Yeah, it's deoligami. Deoligamy Dialogue Di oligomi, dialogue, going back and forth. And this is in the context of Paul at Athens.

And so he's provoking, being provoked within him, his spirit was, as they were saying, false things. And so he. Tarted. talking. And in order to do that, he has to go back and forth.

And then he gets on to the sermon on Mars Hill. Which is a shameless brag, but I've been on that very hill, I've stood on that very hill where Paul was. And so he was there doing that. And what's interesting is that hill is right in a full visual. You can just look like a half a mile as the bird flies up a little bit of an angle to the that famous temple.

That's there, and uh, every name of it, but you can see it, it's Artemis, I think, or Athena. And so, uh, whoa, amazing stuff. But yeah, we are. Allowed Debate. And also, I think it's 2 Corinthians 10.

Five. says this let's see We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God. We're taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

So, people have told me, you're not supposed to debate, it's not biblical, just let the word work. And I go. No, I'm doing what the Bible says.

So Yeah. Exactly, exactly. I mean, you always, you know, they're always popular. 1 Peter 3.15, you know, bring your heart onto Christ. The Lord is holy, always being prepared to make an offense to anyone We're asking for revenue for the hope that's in you, yet do it with gentleness and respect.

You know, I mean, we see the idea of apologetics, the idea of debating. Um in And I love these graphics. You know, obviously we have The original apostles who are our examples, and the way they presented themselves and the way they carried themselves in their arena of apologetics. You know, we have scripture here from 1. That tells us any when we give a reason for a defense, whatever we give a reason for a faith that's within us, you know, we do it with justice and respect.

You know, and I think a lot of people. come to the come to the real debate. with this idea that always just arguing. You know, oh, you guys are just arguing. You know, you guys are just fighting.

80. No, that's not what we're doing. And scripture tells us to do it with Genesis 36. You know, I mean, we're arguing in a sense of presenting our argumentation. Our position, but we're not arguing in this vitriolic, domineering, angry sense of the word, arguing.

Yeah. in mind when it comes to apologetics. That's right. But they think we have the example of scripture. Amen, brother.

Man, you're good. You should be like Doing a debate thing. Hey, You know, I don't want to jump into many of them, man. I don't know why, but I didn't jump more into it. I do, I like, I'd be like, I.

I guess more open discussion. You know, I go back and forth with folks. But um more formal, I haven't done it yet. I haven't I've done one formal debate. Believe it or not, just one.

That was your wife. Yeah, that's what I lost, man. I lo I lose I lose a lot, so Yeah. Me and you're in the same boat, bill, we always lose. Refer.

All right, well, I'm gonna let you go, man. I'm about to finish setting up everything, and now she's over to. join here in a few right Matt.

Alright, brother, God bless. See you later.

Okay, God bless my thanks. Have a good word. Bye-bye.

Well, that was Marlon, and in about a half hour, 35, 40 minutes, I'll be on doing a discussion panel/slash debate. It's not a formal debate. He just asked me yesterday: hey, can you come in and do that? Yeah, sure, just come in and have a talk. And so we're going to be discussing stuff with one of these Pentecostals.

They deny the Trinity, say baptism is necessary for salvation in Jesus' name. You can lose your salvation. It's just heretical all over the place. Let's get to Laura. From California, Laura, welcome.

You're on the other side. Time. Hello.

So, my best friends are Pastor Happy and his wife, and they told me to come to you. questions. Oh yeah, he's a good guy. Haps. We call him Haps.

Yep. All right. I have a very close friend from even my Early you play. adolescents and She went from Protestant to Few Catholicism and has been deep diving and just hardcore Catholic since then. And in It's very hard for me because I'm deep.

dive like reformed bats. Can help it. Like we spend the same amount of time like just in the Word and just the all that stuff but I'm having a hard time Trying to talk. to her about Um, just the errors that there are in Catholicism and Because she's so She found Christ when she became a Catholic. Like she was a Protestant, but a very.

Um It was kinda like just go to church and but not strong in it. And then she went cow. and then just went like super hardcore.

So I don't know how To help, um, well, let me give you a couple of things that might be helpful, okay? Um.

Okay. Okay. This is something that uh I've I've developed recently. and I found it to be very effective with the Catholics.

Now They don't believe in the authority and supremacy of Scripture. They believe the authority and supremacy of their church. That tells you what the scriptures mean.

So this is an uphill battle, but I think I've got a h the whole plug for that.

So, what I do is, I ask the Catholics, and I'll say, Is it not the case, is it true, that your Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ? They'll say, Yes. I'm not going to get into that at that moment.

Okay. So But it can't be changed into that. Until the priest goes through the ceremony. Right? And they'll say yes.

But your church has a priesthood authority, right? Yes.

Okay. So then. Your priest is up in the front of the church He has special garments. special authority at an altar representing a sacrifice at that altar. And she'll say yes.

And you ask the question. Can you show me that in the New Testament? It's a serious question.

Now we'll get back to the break because there's a break music. We're going to go in and I'm going to explain why this is so serious and other scriptures you can use. to demonstrate that their priesthood is false. completely false. which means their entire church is false, which everything else is false, because it's all based on priesthood authority.

Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.

Laura, are you still there? I am.

So this issue of priesthood may not sound Yeah. That serious But it is. If you were to go to my website, carm. org, And you were to look up what's called the priesthood table. It's just a table.

And What I've done is gone in there and shown the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox priesthood quotes. the issue of the priesthood. This is the point. Their priesthood, the Catholic priesthood, is modeled after the Old Testament Levitical priesthood. of an altar Special garments.

offering sacrifices. that removes sin, which is what the Catholic Church says about the priesthood offering at the altar in their church. But this is all Old Testament. None of it. not a single bit of it.

is found in the New Testament. It's not there, not ever the death of Christ. Because with the death of Christ, Hebrews 9, 15, and 16. That's when the new covenant is in.

So when death when Jesus died on the cross, a new covenant's there.

So that means the old covenant is now made obsolete. That's Hebrews 8.13.

So very simple. And then isn't Christ Christ would be the Melchizedek high priest forever, right? Yes.

And Hebrews 8:4 says he wouldn't be a priest if he's a priest on earth.

So the thing is, I asked them Since Paul Paul, for example, in 1 Timothy 3:15, said that he's giving instruction. on how to behave in the household of God, why does he not include the super important doctrines of your priesthood. He doesn't include it. But he's giving instruction to the household of God. But your priesthood is found in the Old Testament Levitical priesthood, which Hebrews 8.13 says is obsolete.

So how is your priesthood valid? That's the critical question. and it is really throwing them for a loop. But most of them do. at this point is just ignore what scripture says.

And they just turn to the authority of their scripture. I mean, of their church. Yeah, the church says it's okay. And I say, Well, how do you know the church is true?

Well, because we are the church fathers. How do you know they're true? Go back to scripture. Say, nothing is said to be inspired except God's word. Which comes from him directly through the apostles and the prophets, tradition and churches aren't inspired.

They can say they are. But I always say, well, what's the standard of your righteousness? What's the standard of your truth? It's God's word.

Now I'll say, and I'll go back to it, and I'll say, your priesthood is found in the Old Testament, not in the New Testament. Therefore, it's not a New Testament practice that's taught in Scripture. Therefore, your priesthood is false because it's Levitical and is obsolete. You have a false priesthood. I just say it to them: your priesthood is false.

No, they don't agree. You know, say if it's not false, sure. in the New Testament documents where Paul Who said he was writing to show us what to do in the church? If your priesthood authority is so important. Why is it not included?

And it's in the Old Testament, and that's obsolete. Hebrews 8:13.

Okay. This is not something they're prepared for. I don't know of any way for them to get out of this except to just ignore it.

Well, the church says so. That's all they do. Yeah. I mean, every time there's a new pope and it's a brand new idea, it's like they're like, oh, well, this is gospel now. And like, oh.

But it's no art. It goes totally against the Bible. Oh it's true it It's been a Roundabout like you know, I study the Bible, I don't study, you know, the opinions of popes. you know, and so it's very difficult for me to like come up with these No, because if I if I fight with scripture, then there's always like a loophole in the Catholic. Um And it's very frustrating.

Well, so yeah, this is very helpful. Thank you, Matt. It takes practice and you just have to learn various things. You just have to.

Now, one of the things you can do if you want to talk to her. is look up The recent Mass that they had at the Vatican for LGBTQ. Yeah. Yep. Okay.

And you it's in there. You just look it up on the web, you'll find it, and you're going to ask your, what about this? Is this something that's good? Yeah, I've written a great deal on Catholicism. My notes on Catholicism are 259 pages.

in Microsoft Word. Seriously. Oh yeah. This is definitely the reason why Pastor Happy is like, talk to Matt Slick.

So I'm I'm really grateful you took my call. Thank you. Sure. Are you uh out there where he is? Um no well now I no, I'm still out in Southern California, right where he used to be.

when he has his um house.

So, like, we were friends from even before he was saved. I live in Lake El Sinore.

So, like, right next to where he had his house. Yeah, I got a friend who still lives there. He used to live in, um Buena Park and uh Ontario and Anaheim, you know.

So Okay. All right. Well, I think it's a good idea. All right, Laurie. All right, thank you.

All right, God bless.

Okay. Bye. All right, that's right, people. I'm going to say it again. Roman Catholicism is a false church.

It is not the true church. It is not a Christian church. And anyone who believes official Roman Catholic theology regarding salvation, cannot Be saved. Laura from Utah, welcome. You're on the air.

Well, hello. Oh, hey, hey, Laura, how are you doing? I'm doing good. Hey, I just remembered that it was earlier this week. you were talking about something and you said, oh, Somebody should call in and ask.

How do we know God? I wrote it down. I was like, There hasn't been callers, so I was going to call in and let you preach on that. Sure. Everybody, Laura's been working with me for a few years with Carm.

She's great. And uh down there in Utah.

So uh Okay, so how do we know God? We know God if Jesus reveals Him. Because Jesus says in Matthew 11, 27, He says, No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son, and to whom the Son. Wills to reveal. And then in 1 Corinthians 1.9, we are said, We're told it is.

That our fellowship is with the Lord Jesus Christ.

So, if we want to have fellowship with God, it has to be through the person and work of Christ. Jesus who's God in flesh, who died on the cross, who rose from the dead. Our relationship is with him. And we need to Be praying to him. Talking to Him, hearing Him speak to us in the Word, sometimes with that inclination in the heart as well as the Spirit of God.

Moves in us to direct us, and in all of this, that we grow in our fellowship with Jesus. And one last theological point: it's not if we know God, it's if He knows us. In Matthew 7 20. 22 and 23, Jesus says, Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, in your name perform many miracles? And I'll say to them, I never knew you.

And then Galatians 4, 8, and 9 says, However, at that time when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. but now that you've come to know God, or rather to be known by God, And he said to go. Paul makes that switch. You know God?

Well, actually. You're known by him. And Jesus says in John 10:27, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them.

So the issue is If we want to know God, it is It's only because he first knows us. We want to love God is because He first loves us.

So, in order to know God, We have to go to Christ. He reveals himself. He reveals the Father. And we are known by Him, which means we're indwelt by Him, and in that mutual relationship and existence of the indwelling of God in us, we can then come to know Him in a more intimate way.

Alright. Amen. That was wonderful. Thank you. I love when you preach out here and teach us all.

So, thank you, Matt.

Well, hey, invite me down sometime. I'm ready to preach again.

Okay, we will do it. All right. Thank you, Matt. Tomorrow, God bless. All right, that's Laura.

Yeah, she's great, does a lot of great stuff with us. Let's get to. Oh, have we got a break coming up here? Yeah, let's get to Oscar here from New York before the break. Hey, Oscar, welcome.

You're on the air. Yes, sir. Thank you. My question. Does God send us first?

Then we respond by believing. Yes.

Now that's a cautious yes.

So he grants that we have faith, Philippians 1:29, in our believing. Is the work of God. John 6.29. That's what Jesus said. But he regenerates us and enables us to actually do the believing.

So it's like saying. It's like saying He saves us so that we can believe. but we believe, which is how we get saved, and they kind of work together at the same time. Just like when electricity is in a light bulb, Electricity causes the light, but it's simultaneous. And so God's regenerative, gracious work in us is simultaneous with our believing, and He grants that we believe, but we do the believing.

Because God has worked in us.

Okay? Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much for saying bye-bye.

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Hey, welcome back, everybody. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877207. 2276. You know, uh the issue of oneness Pentecostal. Um I've said, you know, it's not Christian, it's not.

You know, I say that about a lot of things. Catholicism is not Christian, Eastern Orthodoxy is not Christian. People spit their coffee in the air. What? What did he say?

Of course, we're the original churches, blah, blah, blah. And I compare them to Scripture. Oneness Pentecostal, compared to the Scripture. There's a lot of false religions, a lot of false groups out there. Who don't submit themselves to the Word of God.

One is Pentecostal, for example, is such a group.

Now What they do is among other things is they teach what's called Nestorianism. Nestorianism is a view of the person of Jesus.

Now the Biblical, orthodox, true. Position of Jesus is that He is one person with. two natures. One person with two natures.

So, if you were to see the person of Christ, the man standing there, that physical form, that manifestation. That incarnation. If you were to see that. What you would be seeing is a physical shell, so to speak, with real humanity there, but also inside, so to speak, I like these words, is the divine nature.

Now, the hypostatic union teaches that Jesus is consisting of a divine nature and a human nature. The communicatio idiomatum. Is the teaching that the attributes of the divine nature and the attributes of the human nature exist? within the one person. But the one person has access to both of those, at the same time and permanently part of what he is.

So Jesus would say, I am thirsty, Luke 19, 28, I think it is. And, or is it John 19, 28? And uh he would also say in Matthew 28 20 He'd say, you know, the disciples, I'll be with you always, even to the end of the earth.

So Jesus claimed the attributes of humanity, but he also claimed the attributes of divinity as one person.

Now Here's a problem with oneness. When you get to Luke 22:42, for example, where Jesus says he's praying to the Father. And you say, well, who's he praying to? When he says, not my will, but your will be done.

Well, the oneness have a variety of not very good answers. And one of them, the the most predominant that I've heard, from various oneness people over the years. The most common answer is the human nature is praying to the divine nature.

Now That's interesting because if we go to Luke 6, I mean Matthew 6 and Luke. Luke 11. our Father who art in heaven, Jesus says.

So If he is the Father, because that's what they say, they say Jesus and the Father are the same person.

Well wait a minute. If he is the same person as the Father, and he says the Father is in heaven, Then how can he be the same person as the father? It doesn't make sense. Also, when he was praying in the garden. Or my father, you know Not my will, but your will be done.

Who is that? And they say it was the human nature praying to the divine nature.

Now, this is critical. This is critical. Because Jesus is a single person. But now what they do is they say that the human person is praying to the divine Person. The human person is praying to the divine person, that's what they're saying.

And this is bad. All right. So Here's a question. There's a question of leading someplace. I want to get.

to this. Which nature experienced At death on the cross. Which nature experienced the death on the cross? Was it the divine nature? Or Was it the human nature?

This is the question I ask very much. the oneness people. Which nature experienced that death? they logically have to say it was only the human nature. If it's only the human nature that died and had experienced death on the cross.

And the human nature prays to the divine nature. Then that's two persons. The human is addressing the Divine. That shows distinction among persons.

So that means the human person was praying to the divine person. And that's called Nestorianism. If only the human nature experienced death, then how is the sacrifice of divine value?

Now, they may ask this of the Trinitarians, and I can answer it. We'll get to that in a little bit. But you see, here's the problem. If only in Nestorian oneness Pentecostal theology. If only the human nature, experience that death.

then there is no divine experiencing of it. no quality related to it, therefore their sacrifice is only human. and it's insufficient. And that's it. It's a critical issue.

And it it's a damnable heresy because of what it leads to. No, it's not to say that every oneness person is is damned. I'm just saying that official. Um Eastern Orthodox theology is damnable. Just like official Roman Catholic theology is damnable.

Just like Official Eastern Orthodox theology is Danwell in their areas of. the three primary areas of salvation or justification. The priesthood and uh the worship of Mary and things like that.

Now in one that's Pentecostal. Every doctrine makes a difference in in theology.

Now someone may say, Well, okay, Matt, you said Oh. What about the how's a Trinitarian side answer?

Well, it's simple. Because in Christian theology, true Christian theology, Jesus is a single person. Not two persons.

Now the oneness may say, well, he's really one person, but he alternates between his natures. I've had that given to me. And I go to John 6 sometimes. We'll go through some of the stuff. Where Jesus is talking, and then it's the divine nature talking, then it switches of the human nature, switches of divine, switches of the human nature.

back and forth. We have a hopscotch kind of person. You know, it's um whack-a-mole. You know, it's the the divine pops up, then the human pops up, divine, human, human, human, divine, divine, human, divine. It's just which one's talking at one time.

This is Nestorianism by definition.

So in Trinitarianism Jesus is a single person, not two persons. and a single person is both divine and human, and the attributes of both natures belong to that person.

So another person is of divine value. The single person is divine value because the divine attributes are ascribed to and attributed to that person. Which is why Jesus says, I'll be with you always. I is designation of of and distinction of personhood. It's a uh an indexical.

persons have indexicals. I, me, mine, you, yours. Those are indexicals. And so One of the designations and distinctions of persons is in in indexicals. I can say I me use yours.

Okay. So When we were to look at Jesus, we would see that Jesus If we were to go back there in time or had a science fiction camera that could kind of zoom in on the disciples, everybody walking around, we could see them. We would see Jesus walk on the water and calm the storm. What we would then be saying and observing is we would see the divine manifested in the human and through the human. You would see the human person speak and sweat.

in the sun. and then walk out on the water and calm a storm. And Pronounce That someone should rise from the dead, and they do.

So the Divine is manifested through the person. the person of Christ, but the divine is manifested through the human. And we would not say that the human side of Jesus is a person, or the divine is a person. Because that would be two persons in the body of Christ. No, we say that the One person has the attributes of both natures.

So This is antered in Trinitarianism. because then when the person of Christ died on the cross, the person is of divine value. Therefore, The sacrifice is sufficient to save us. But in Nestorianism, which is held now by One is Pentecostal. You have the problem.

Yeah. The uh the only the human nature experiencing death. Not the divine participating it through its identification in the single person, because they don't have a single person, they have two.

So the separation means that the sacrifice is now invalidated. This is what happens when you deny the doctrine of the Trinity. They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. They don't understand what the Trinity is. They don't understand how it's derived at.

And so they make mistakes. All kinds of mistakes.

So Um And so it you know it's uh This is some of the stuff I I I write about on my website. And you know what I'm gonna complain a little. It just It's like people call me up, but I wrote about that on the website. You know, it's got this website, and it has so many answers there. I've written like 5,000 articles.

And out. I want people to go check it out, you know, go look and uh and see. And see um Well, what's there? Because these things are already gone. But at any rate, it takes time and it takes work.

All right, so there's some of that.

Now, I do want to also say this. I want to say this. I've gotten word. from different ministries. That the donations for burning ministries are on the decline significantly this year.

Our ministries experience it, and other ministries I know about or have experienced it. I talk to people, and they go, Yeah, we don't know what's going on. And so, in light of that, I'm just going to say to you. That if you like what I'm doing on the air and promote. Providing answers, debating, writing thousands of articles, doing seminars, doing radio, you know, and various things.

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I understand how things are, money's tight. And getting tighter. Things are hearing all over the place. I get that. But if you uh think it's worth this, Uh You didn't think of it in this time, so maybe it's not worth it to you.

Um how about a couple couple of cups uh cups of coffee? A Starbucks or something like that. That's two cups is is basically what I'm asking. People want their luxury. more than they want to support.

They can justify two cups of coffee. but they can't justify giving to a ministry. That's a wrong attitude to have. We've got to be careful of that. But Uh Because we can all be guilty of those kinds of things, but we need to support, we need to give.

I'm just asking that you would consider doing that with us at CARM, the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry. Dot Carm.org, C-A-R-M dot O Yeah. And by the way, in next month, October 25th, it will be the thirty-year anniversary of the website. According to my calculations, I'm going to get it get it going right now and take a look. I can tell you what the most current update number is of how many visitors we've had to the site.

It's uh 167,931,852.

So it's almost at 168 million visitors. And the returning visitors, that means they come back to the site. and they're checking things out. 95 million. The site's been around for a long time.

It's influencing a lot of people. I'm a missionary to the internet. And if you want to support missionaries of the internet and get a lot of information out there, Then please consider. Ten dollars a month? Or even less, that's fine too.

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that you prayfully support the ministries around you. And uh if we're of you. God bless everybody. Hope you all have a great weekend and Well, talk to you later. Come on.

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