Matt Slick Live

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Alright and welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slicker. Listen to Matt Slick Live. Today's date is September 10th. twenty twenty five for the podcasters.

It's a sad day to day. Charlie Kirk was assassinated. For those of you who don't know, he was uh at a university in Utah. And uh He uh you know Um Well, they they shot him. They shot him and uh What's happened?

They didn't go in there.

Okay.

Okay, so yeah, he was shot in front of a crowd, shot in the neck, taken to the hospital. He perished.

So, if any of you want to talk about that, please feel free to give me a call. We can go over it. It's really sad news. Uh you know. There's so many things we could just jump on and start saying, well, this is because of that, or because of.

of leftists' war on conservatives. Maybe I won't say that. Maybe it's the issue of uh The pundits and the leftists saying things like: we need to take back to go to the streets, we need to. Uh wait a year. Save democracy, they're destroying our democracy.

All these incendiary comments that they make all the time, and then when someone hears it. We don't know what the s status was, but So it when someone acts on it, uh You know, who knows?

So we can talk about this and the issue of why does God permit evil in the world. We can talk about does a Christian have the right of physical self-defense? What do you think the ramifications of this might be? We could have lots, lots of discussions on. on this topic.

I really can't tell you everything. Uh don't know all the details yet. It just happened, what, an hour or two ago? Islander. Anyway.

It's really sad.

So, uh Do the Christians have the right of physical self-defense? A lot of times people think that we are obligated to just lay down our lives and not fight back at all. Uh and that's not the case. Physical self-defense is permitted in the Scripture, though it's not an obligation. I can go through all kinds of verses about that.

We have the right and the obligation to defend others. We're not to take vengeance on people. were to seek peace whenever possible. And if we can, we avoid persecution. And we are to pray for our persecutors.

And I'm going to be talking about this a little bit here.

some videos I've been watching r recently which have been very interesting. But nevertheless, Um Uh just say once again, uh Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck. At a university in Utah, and he's perished, so he was assassinated. Um It's a sad and President Trump ordered the flag at half mast, I think it is at the uh the White House. Uh he's uh survived by I believe his uh his wife and I think he has two children.

So, um Obviously a little bit of did a little bit of research. He founded Turning Point USA prominent conservative activist. And uh G w of course was shot um He uh Hmm, yeah. At any rate, I'm just going through some notes and stuff like that, but uh, it's pretty bad, and uh actions against the what we whom we might think. A political party or anybody who might you might suspect of being on that side of things.

So I did go to. Fox News, and I read some of the comments. I really enjoy the comments that a lot of people make. And of course, And there were some leftists, obviously leftists, who were saying that more needs to be done like that. You know, it's just there's a lot of evil people out there.

So we do have the right of self-defense.

Now, coincidentally, Um kind of interesting. I've been watching on on YouTube Videos 10, 15, 20, 30 minutes long, depending on which one. On um World War II and POWs. And the ones that struck me the most Were the Japanese POW camps? that the Japanese were told That the Americans were barbarians who would torture, who would.

Poison, you know, who do all kinds of stuff, that they uh were just animals. and that surrender. is worse than death. to the Japanese and uh It's been stopped. And so many of them got captured.

Around 700, I saw in this one video, this one camp. And they went through some of the Diaries information that a lot of the Japanese POWs had stated. While they were Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh in in camps, in POW camps.

for two to three years. and what their experience was. And they said when they first got there, They were treated well. with respect With dignity? They had orders they had to follow.

And if they didn't follow them, there were consequences. Other than that, They were to bathe regularly, They were given meals, they were given medical attention, the same medical attention that the GIs were getting, the same food that they were getting. They kept waiting week after week after week for this psychological warfare to take hold when the Americans would start. after ha after having softened them up, start torturing them and doing evil. And it never came.

They were um Allowed to watch movies, do plays. They were taught baseball, and they would play baseball. learned to l some learned to love the game. They would go out into the fields and They would work in the fields as laborers. And One Japanese g guy said that Uh he was invited into the home.

Oh boy. of a man and his wife and they fed him. And There were papers around the house. After a couple of years, he'd learned some English and could read a little bit because there were papers that were given to them in the college. in the campster and um So they could see some headlines and figure a few things out and they realized That these people were treating them with great dignity, even though some of their sons may have been killed by the Japanese.

And they couldn't comprehend this. They could not comprehend it. And one man wrote that a ten-year-old girl. on a farm walked up and gave him an apple. And then backed away.

And when he bowed to the little girl, she kind of giggled about that. When you said that really struck him. the kindness of even the little ones. We're showing because in Japan, the little ones are brainwashed into hating America. And the political regime.

He said they couldn't believe that the GIs were allowed to criticize their own generals. and the President and politicians without consequences. You aren't allowed to do that in Japan. And I was reminded by uh or reminded about what Jesus says. He says, love your enemies.

And Pray for them. And What happened was the the Japanese and this house also I'm with Germans. I saw some on the Germans. And um Same kind of a thing. They were expecting foul treatment and they were treated with with dignity.

And many Germans uh requested to stay in the United States when World War two was over. It won't stay. When the Japanese went home, they weren't really permitted to speak about their times in the camps, of how well they were treated. And they had to keep it to themselves, and some of them would write things in letters and hide the letters because they wanted to. not forget.

how well they were treated. I'm not saying every Japanese person was treated perfectly, but the whole point is, as I was watching, it's very interesting. That you love your enemies, you pray for them or persecute you. We Christians are under persecution more and more. And it becomes very difficult.

To balance the issue of the right of self-defense, you know, in Luke 22, 36, excuse me, Jesus said, You have a sword? And he said, No, we have two cloaks. He says, Buy, sell a cloak, and go buy a sword. And he was talking about the context of self-defense. We have that right of self-defense, but we don't have the right.

of revenge or vengeance. We do not have that right. The Bible clearly tells us Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God. Romans 12.19. Proverbs 20.

22. Do not sail, repeat evil. Way for the Lord. He will save you. And as Christians were to practice, Pray for our persecutors.

This is a It's a tough one. And Jesus says in Matthew 5:44, I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. And he said it again in uh Luke at six twenty seven. Our real battle is against spiritual truth, spiritual lies and things like that. In fact, one of the um That reminds me.

one of the videos I I watched In the past week I've been watching them. They kind of just pop up and we'll watch. one of the Japanese uh guys who was actually involved in planning the attack on Pearl Harbor. I don't know how involved he was, but he was one of the architects of it. and he was also captured.

And when he saw uh how he was treated. and how they were even invited to go to church. Sundays. after the the people learn that the Japanese uh you know, after a year or so they they could be trusted. uh you know um they we go to church.

And this guy became a Christian missionary.

So, you know, love and kindness goes a long way. I remember in the book, this is a fiction book, Le Mizerab. where Valgine had gotten out of prison on the island and he was befriended by a priest, a Catholic priest. I don't want to give any glory to Catholicism, but in the book in the book, a Catholic priest was very gracious to him. And um Valgin uh stole silver candlesticks.

uh in the middle of the night and and left. uh even though he was shown kindness. And uh if John Durham caught him Brought them back to the church because that's the cop knew that that's where they belong. It was, you know. for the church and um it was really well written.

Because Valgin in the the fictional dialogue he was waiting to be sent back to the penal colony. His heart was hard, he was ready. Um And the man priestess said, No, they belong to him, it's okay, let him go. And he could not comprehend the kindness. He could not comprehend the love and the patience that was given to him.

And it it uh it messed with him. until it broke him. And he became a different man. Anyway, the idea here is that we need to meet evil with love and as much as we can with patience and forgiveness. But We do have the right of self defence.

and we have more of an obligation to defend others. and you can go to my website, carm dot org, And you can look up the article: Do Christians have the right of physical self-defense? And the answer, of course, is yes. You can check it out all you want. There you go.

Let's get to. Let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Jermaine, are you there, buddy?

Maybe he's on mute again. I'm sorry sorry about that, Matt. I that was me. Hit my mute button, but That's all right. Yeah, I um I I appreciate what you had to say about this Just a sad day.

It really really disgusting and Very disturbing. I I guess uh Just looking listening to some people kind of cheer and be happy, but this is a young man Who had a family, if you really look and pay attention, he didn't say anything that required that. you know, but if anything, I thought he was you know, he was for the most part, very cordial and allow people an opportunity for For some dialogue. Um. I also know he was a professing Christian.

Yep. And that's what leads me to my question. And I'm sure that's where some of the Source of the hate is, but. Hey, brother, we got a break. Can you hold on?

I'm going to write my nails. All right now. Hey folks, uh there's the break. Music's right there if you want to. Stay tuned, please do be right back after these messages.

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Right everyone, welcome back to the show. It is uh wow. After the first 720 after the hour, if you want to give me a call. Eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Germain Be back on, buddy. Yes, I am.

Okay.

So you had a question or some comment. What was it? Yeah. Um there's a little bit of both. I I just know The comment is I know that Charlie Kirk was a professing believer.

And my question is You know, this to me, this is a form of I mean, it's an assassination and ends kind of a form of martyrdom. I don't I don't I don't know if he was out there necessarily. for ministry purposes, but For people Who may not know, does the Bible speak on what we're to expect as believers when We do enter the kingdom because I know that's the great mystery that has everyone.

sometimes anxious and sometimes people are anxious in a good way and a bad way, but does the Bible even allude to it at all?

Well The Bible doesn't really tell us. what's going to happen when we go there. Um I'll be surprised. because I know my own heart. I've trusted in Christ and I'm like, whoa, but what's going to happen?

Uh from then on, we go through a tunnel of light. Do our relatives meet us? Do angels take us uh straight into the presence of Jesus? I don't know how it works. The Bible doesn't really tell us but to be absent with the bodies, be home with the Lord.

So Um I would say that uh You know, we got a lot to learn and I don't know, you know. I don't know. It'll be good though.

Okay, I think that's fair. You know, just uh in light of this young man losing his life unexpectedly like that and Close his eyes here, wake up. you know, in his ultimate destination it It just had me kind of ponder that because I I think as believers we Yeah. To me, this is a wake-up call to really focus on on the work of the Lord, like what's really important. You know, all the other stuff is fine, but.

it is it's more important to know price. Yes, it is. It does. And I'm sure he's with the Lord right now. and his family now has to pick up the pieces.

I have a uh a devotional I wrote, uh Death is a Rude Visitor. It comes in and it destroys your lives. And then it leaves. Then you gotta pick up the pieces. And that's just the case.

what it is. But we can pray for them and ask that God provide for them and supernaturally provide for them. Yeah. Yep, that's it. All right.

Yeah, I think that's all I have on that one today, man. Appreciate you. Amen. Appreciate you too. God bless.

Alright.

Alright.

Alright, now let's get to Buskman. From Ohio busman welcome. You're on the air. I absolutely love our brother Jermaine, Matt. His heart is right where mine is.

I got the news just a little bit ago from a dear friend of mine. He texted me and said, Charlie Kirk has been assassinated. Mm-hmm. And all I would like to say, Matt, is Um Christians out there. Let's listen to the MapSlick live right now.

Read. Psalm. Mm-hmm. May that bring you a sense of sustainment and hope And uh uh peace and I pray right now for the uh cook Sam Wayne right now. If I remember right, Matt.

Charlie had, I want to say, three children. But if someone can call in and correct me on that, I'm fine with that. But I know he was a young man, he started turning point. Love the Lord. Was not at all reserved about talking about Jesus Christ.

And he just wanted righteousness, normalcy. and morality. Back in the United States. And I'll be honest with you, Matt, I was very, very encouraged to see that generation rise up. like Charlie Kirk did.

So I just want to say God bless the Kirk family. May God bring Here you straight into the arms Of God Almighty, and may He hear those blessed words that we all yearn to hear.

Well done. And faithful servant. And May God bless. Uh His ministry And those who are coming behind them. And I pray, Matt, right now.

that someone will rise up as strong or even stronger. than Charlie Kirk was. in in that uh in that office that he was holding when he was shot.

So thank you for this time, Matt. I just wanted to tell your listeners that and thank you for this program that you're live that uh folks like us who who want to express our serious condolences and And eat ingredients are able to do so. God bless you, Matt Slick. God bless you. Thank you.

Appreciate it. All right, one other thought about this, and we'll get to other topics as the callers come in. Uh we Might want to remember Proverbs 18:13. He who gives an answer before he hears, it is folly and shame to him. We need to have all the facts before we start getting too many.

opinions formed. Let's get to David from Charlotte, North Carolina. Dave, welcome. You're on the air. All right, man.

Good to speak with you again. Hope you're doing well. I've been okay. Oh, excuse me. Um Just had a yawn, but yeah, I'm doing okay.

Okay.

My question was: the thief on the cross, the who came to salvation just before he died on the cross. Will his reward in heaven be less than someone who was saved early in life and served the Lord all their life. Yeah, you know, it would make sense to say so. Because someone who has been faithful to God and has used his giftings for the glory of God or her giftings, you know, for years and suffered through things, maybe even martyred for the faith. will receive uh reward uh with his or her faithfulness through adversity.

The thief on the cross Just got in. I mean, the garments were smoking. you know, uh that's how close he was to hell. And so he's in, and he won't be suffering, but the rewards, there was no rewards. Really, to speak of, I mean, except for the you know, confessing Christ and defending him a little bit, but that would be about it.

I would say, yeah, he he wouldn't be as rewarded as others. But he's in heaven.

Okay.

You don't hear a lot of and I understand our Christian faith is not a faith of works. It's what Jesus uh did at the cross. His is his is sa is saving Um Blood at the cross. But a lot of people don't understand that our actions and what we do, how we follow the Lord here. our rewards in heaven are going to be greater.

So a lot of times I haven't thought that gets missed a lot of times. Yes, it is true. Is this true? Yeah. A loss of reward uh for those who have not used their gifts faithfully.

And that that's it. Oh yeah. People don't realize, you know, God did not save us to be a trophy on a shelf, to be polished and left alone. He saved us to be sneakers, to be worn out into the world. and sneakers get dirtied and they get um scraped up.

As they endure, as they go through things. And that's what Christians are supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be going through things. One last question, and I can't remember I'm interrupted. I apologize.

That's okay, go ahead. I was going to say one last question. And I think this involves workers. I can't remember what section of the Bible, but the workers who were there early and the ones that come in late at the last hour and about their getting paid the same. What exactly was that in reference to in terms of reward or whatever?

Let's talk about that right after the break, okay? 'Cause there's the music right after the break, okay, buddy? Hey folks, please stay tuned. We'll get to the issue of the parable and after the break we'll talk about it. Please stay tuned.

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All right, welcome back to the show. News updates are happening by the minutes. It looks like they caught the guy who killed Charlie Kirk. And it looks like he's been in Cache Patel says he's been apprehended. We'll see about confirmation for that.

And on Truth Social, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump ordered all flags to be floated half mast until Sunday at 6 p.m. Uh American collection with the United States and Lord a half mast. Hmm.

Alright, let's get back on with Dave. Dave, you there? Yes, I am.

All right. So the parable, it's in Matthew twenty. And it's not about rewards, it's about heaven. Because Those who, worked early in the day, those who worked in the middle, and those who worked at the end. They uh all got the same payment.

And this is in reflection to eternal life. not eternal rewards. Eternal rewards is spoken of in Hebrews, excuse me, 1 Corinthians 3, 14 to 15. It says, If any man's works which he has built on remains, you know, when they're tested, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss, but he himself will be saved.

So you can have rewards and loss of rewards in heaven.

So there are degrees of that, but Matthew 21 through, let's see, where's it go? Through 16. is uh eschatological, it's about salvation, not about rewards in heaven.

Okay.

Thank you for that great explanation. And before I drop off, Prayers to the Kirk family, and also I'd like to lift up prayers to the Ukraine girls' family that was basically murdered here in my city. What a horrible incident. Let's just just pray for both both families. Yeah.

Agreed. And uh I appreciate your taking my call. I enjoy your show. Hey, thanks a lot, Dave. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Well that was David from Charlotte, North Carolina. Um yeah prayers for the the Kirk family and also the Korean women's family as well. you know, evil never rests and we have to face it And increase of laws isn't really the issue, though that may be necessary in certain areas. We need to have God back in society. We need to have Him back in our hearts, in the hearts of all people, so that these kinds of atrocities don't occur.

But the leftists have. uh brainwashed so many people. and are fomenting um I'm gonna just say it, I believe they're fomenting violence by some of the many of the things they've said. And Um I think it's a it's a sad case. They need Jesus.

They need the Lord Jesus Christ. Everybody does. Let's get to Luke from. Washington, D.C. Luke, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you? Doing all right, hanging in there.

So, uh what do you got? What is the difference between Pentecostal theology uh and reform theology.

So Pentecostal, they say that we are experienced So they always say that we are What that means. Yeah. Benefit. Uh Okay, so I think that's a good idea. Yes, I'm quite aware of it.

They they often are very, very emotional. Their theology is quite weak a lot of times. They really don't get into the deeper things of the majesty and sovereignty of God. They want a lot of times, a lot of Pentecostal groups. No, not all.

Will prefer some sort of experience in church, dancing, movement, shouting, and things like this, and they relate to that. A lot more than they would to a more intellectual kind of a understanding of things.

So Pentecostalism. Uh once you know The spirit movement, prophecy, speaking in tongues, visions, as part of God's leading. And one of the things is that they tend to be very Arminian. Overly Arminian. It's up to you and your free will, your experience, your desires.

And for the most part, what I've heard of most Pentecostals, you can lose your salvation. Oh, she got a lot of noise back there. Mm-hmm. And so it's on the opposite end of Reform theology in a lot of areas, okay? Yeah.

I have a question about a verse. I mean, I think Acts have to. H Uh all right, let me get back to one second.

Okay.

Um yeah. Uh baptism of the Holy Spirit. A second baptism of the Holy Spirit. Yes. And what's what's your question?

So there is a word back to actually age.

So they received a um Well I'm sorry then. Yeah, the Holy Spirit had already been there, and then they had like an extra oomph of the Holy Spirit upon the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And generally, what this is describing is an extra movement of God's Spirit upon people. and not that he isn't already upon them or isn't already there. but that they are often given extraordinary charismatic gifts.

And uh that's generally what it is, okay. Yeah, chapter eight, verse seventeen. Then they began laying their hands on them. and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

So in summary, yeah.

So, they have to wait for the apostles to come and lay their hands on them and they receive the Holy Spirit.

So, before theology, we believe that. When there is a conversion happens, the Holy Spirit is exchanging our heart. And B. You know, they give a new heart, and then the Holy Spirit is with the same tie, which is, they didn't receive the Holy Spirit. Yeah, in Acts 8, 14 through 17, that's there.

Receive the Holy Spirit is used in different ways. In Acts 10, 44 through 48, they receive the Holy Spirit after. Before baptism, and the Holy Spirit manifested in speaking of tongues. In Acts 2, you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. That also is the charismatic movement.

It's not just simply salvation.

So, yeah, i it's using different different senses, uhhuh.

Okay.

All right. Honestly, thank you. Did you write anything about this? I think so. I've written about 5,000 articles on the site, so we'll look, we'll see, okay?

Can you press it? Yes, thank you.

Okay.

Thanks a lot. All right, now let's get to Nelson from California. Nelson, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

God bless.

Another well, I guess a question, but a follow-up also what happened. Yeah, I called her, I think it was last week. And I did uh go to the Mormon uh place where they gather and wow all I Got to say is wow. And I guess I got some questions. I think see if the Lord was showing me some stuff as I was there.

They definitely did have a strong, the older they were, the more burden I seen they had on them, a more of a Like stronghold on And then it's It's works-based salvation. Philly, feely, feely. If it feels good, if it feels right, it must be true. That's what I was saying. And I saw a video years ago where.

when they got baptized by the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and then it was named a saint So and so. And I was wondering who in the heck is that Saint so-and-so, and it dawned on me because they said that. They walk. be baptized by a um By a, they will get baptized and they will dedicate that. service to that dead same family relative.

that has passed on. Have you heard about that? No, I haven't. I have not heard that. Oh, okay.

That's what it means. made total sense because um As they were saying that they Say that that dead saint has it works for their salvation, and you know, so on and so.

So forth. I'm just like, wow. And so that was that. And then I went to the Bible study.

So so-called Bible study, Mormon study. Um It is clear Joseph Smith wove in the Word of God in that Mormon book. Oh yeah. And I mean, I couldn't help it but to see. See, I mean the Lord would just show me all that.

That's okay. No wonder it's like It feels true because they see a little bit of truth in there, and as they see it, oh, this must be true. But the devil will work. truth into uh the overall lie to get people to believe the lie. That's what he's done in Mormonism.

Yeah. And um And from what I was getting, and what I understood, I was hearing. Yeah. They use a temple for only rituals. That's what I got out of that.

I thought I thought, because I've never been to a Mormon place before. I'd thought the Mormon temple was there what they gathered, but no, they have that one, they use that for For rituals. Yeah, for their so-called sacred rituals where they get secret hands, secret hugs, a new name. They learn the tokens and the hugs in order to Hopefully to uh be exalted to the third level of celestial heaven. Which is the church of the firstborn.

They hope they can become gods. They keep celestial law. They're sealed in the temple. They receive their fig leaf apron, they wear. Things like this.

Oh yeah, it's just rigged. Yeah, and so um and so rake. There's a break button.

Okay, yeah, hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages talking a little bit more about Mormonism. Hopefully, it's interesting to you. And uh please stay tuned. He's going to give me a call.

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Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-20722. 7-6. Let's get back on with Nelson from California.

You're back on here. Hey, Matt. Okay.

So yeah, so it was pretty interesting what I saw and what I seen. And I didn't go there to, you know, Just to go observe. And because I knew that the individual that came and picked me up. Uh very nice gentleman, um and I I got to share a little bit of nuggets. of nuggets of my testimony.

through the brakes and as he was driving me there it's pretty close to To my house where they gather. But then when he came home and dropped me off, I brought him inside, gave him some water. We sat down. I got to know him. little bit better and we were talking and he asked me what where I'm from and I just I told him where I was from and then I just It led for me to share my testimony and I had laid it on him.

meaning with what God has done in my life and showed him and told him Just allowed the Holy Spirit just to work through me at that moment in a sense of.

So he can see because I know that he's going to reject what. Of God.

So I wasn't there to convince him otherwise because he's brainwashed in a sense. And so I did not want to. uh debate with him at all and um He's very knowledgeable of the Mormon And I don't want to even get into that. Then here's my testimony. I got shot, boom, boom.

Lost my sight, so on and so forth, and how the Lord worked in my mom. how this supernaturally happened and all that and And I was noticing. Matt, as I was sharing all that with him, I was noticing that he was getting.

So upset, and I seen the same way. I seen the same way. with a Jehovah's Witness. As soon as I started sharing my testimony to him, he turned away. And people say, How did you?

You know, he turned away with that guy. I have pretty good hearing, though I may be blind. But I can tell when someone's looking at me or when he looks away. He completely turned away, like didn't want to hear it. But I just kept sharing my testimony to that.

to that Jehovah's Witness. with this guy. He just had his kinda like looking at me but with his head down like looked like he was didn't want to hear it like hurry up. I don't believe you and hurry up. And after I shared my testimony, I just kinda Uh pivot to a different topic and um And then uh He spoke a little bit more about something and then he finished his water and he's like, Okay.

You know, and he, you know, walked himself out. I walked him out of the door, and I said, I'll be in touch with them. And so, but I noticed, though. and I got some counsel, some wise counsel through with my pastor. He said because I'm fresh.

married and So, um From what I saw there, Matt, there is a lot, a lot, a lot of demonic spirits floating around greater than just two. latch on to any Anybody. And I don't wanna in a way continue going there. Yeah. or thousands of them to match.

Yeah. and to bring them home to the house. House here. And so, and so I want to. He just told me, just you know, be careful because, you know, your wife and everything, and so on, and so forth.

Okay.

And you see he's seen marriages Basically, not necessarily fall apart, but not gone well because some one of the brothers was so excited and full of zeal to witness to these. these dubs and Mormons and uh And next you know they're his marriage kinda just Somewhat fell apart, but you know, and I don't want that to happen with my. my wife and I because these spirits They don't care. They'll latch on to whoever. And so, and so he just advised meet with them at a local coffee shop or somewhere, and just bring up some hard questions.

And so, I think that's the next step, next step. Yeah. But you gotta understand that uh there are demonic forces associated with them and uh because Mormonism. They are in a great deception. And just pray for them and be ready.

Yeah. And get that gospel out because they don't know what the gospel is. You know, they don't understand who God really is. And they they've been dis uh deceived a great deal.

So they're nice people. Oh, yeah. They're great, good people.

So I I think it's a good idea to go to a Mormon ward or church chapel and just check things out and see. They're not going to abuse you. You're not going to ambush you. They're really polite people, but they're deceived. Yeah, I mean, it was.

It was uh it was interesting. Um it was interesting. in the sense uh it was more of uh the waste. It was like a Catholic setting, you know, like I mean, I come from a Catholic background. But the fact is just that um seeing all that, hearing all that, just like, and it was very Very dusty and muggy.

When I first got in there, man, I was having a cough. Attack, I couldn't stop coughing, and I told the individual like. Can you give me some water? And I don't know if it was use your lounge, but if your buildings are really clean.

So I'm a little surprised by that, but you know. Could have been something that happened just recently there, but normally they're quite clean and And so um But it was interesting. I mean I I got enough where I now I know where to come about how to maneuver in and so um I just wanna establish a You know, somewhat of a horse relationship with them, but just. You know? The younger the I could say the easier I can try to Get to them with the gospel because the older they are, I know that doesn't take God to help me with that.

And not that it won't take God to help me with the younger ones, but I can see that it's Yeah. A lot of times those who've been in in for a while are having lots of doubts, but they're not supposed to say them. Mm. Not to express them because the longer a lot of Mormons are in, I've talked to a lot of Mormons who've left. And become Christians.

He said, Yeah, there were lingering doubts. He started learning more than something's not right here. He started studying history. Started studying the facts, and they found out, yeah, there's problems. And when they would ask their bishop and their ward.

You're told don't ask questions, don't think. I thought you'd come back with that question again. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Appreciate it, man. All right. Thank you very much. I don't know. God bless.

All right, now let's go to Jonathan from Ohio. Hey, Jonathan, welcome. You're on the air. Jonathan You're there? Hello?

Jonathan I don't know if I'm. I hit it right, I hit the button right.

So he should be on. Uh Let's see. Wants to talk about the doctrine of the elect. Which you know got a question on it I'd love to talk about that kind of stuff So, uh If you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276.

Kinda stalling a little bit to see if he'll come back on. And uh I'll put them on hold. And then activate them again. Jonathan, are you there? I guess not.

I don't know. Well, maybe Keith, if he's not working or came here or Something you can drop him because that way I know you're hearing me, and Keith's our producer. Yeah, there you go.

Okay, so that's telling me that's working on my end. All right, so I don't know what happened. But anyway, he wanted to talk about the doctrine of election. What that is, is in the Bible, it teaches that God elects people for salvation. That he chooses them for salvation.

People don't like that, but that's what it teaches. You can go to 2 Thessalonians 2:13, where it says God chooses us from the beginning for salvation. You can go to Ephesians 1. In Ephesians 1 verse 4 He chose us in Christ, in him, before the foundation of the world, that we'd be holy and blameless.

So this idea of election, the choosing of God by God of His people for varying purposes, is clearly taught in Scripture. And a lot of people just don't like it because they like the idea of their own sovereignty over God's sovereignty. They like their idea of their free will over the will of God. They will reject the idea that God elects people because they've been taught bad theology by bad people. You know that, no, God, just it's up to you and your wisdom and your ability.

You have freedom. It's completely up to you to decide to believe in Jesus or not. And that is not biblical, ladies and gentlemen. It's not biblical because if it were, Then we would not have verses of the Bible such as Jesus saying in John 6:65. That you can't come to him unless it's granted to you by the Father, because if it's up to your free will, then that wouldn't be there.

But you'd be able to come on your own. Jesus would say something more to the effect of: well, yeah, you can come. You just need your free will choice. But it's not found in scripture.

So, anyway, a lot of people don't like that, but that's what it is. That's what I teach, it's what I believe, and that's just how it is. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772071. 2276. And of course, most of you already found out: Charlie Kirk, the conservative, has been assassinated.

And President Trump has ordered all flags, United States, to be Lower to half mass until Sunday at 6 p.m. I don't know what time 6 p.m. means East Coast, I assume. Um Which brings up the issue of what do we do? Do we retaliate?

Or do we pray for the persecutors? We pray for the the those who perform evil, to be redeemed.

Now what I understand is that uh I'm trying to look. I'm looking at Fox News to see. If there's anything new, uh Why is that like that? Let's see, do this. looking for it.

the information on whether they caught the guy because it I heard that he did. But I've only I haven't had it confirmed yet.

So I'm just saying I haven't h had it confirmed yet.

Someone said that this the case. Maybe some of the people who are listening could put in URLs and things like that if you find other stuff. out there. And it's gonna. This is gonna cause a lot of discussions.

It's gonna cause a lot of of discussions because um It is my opinion. I think the left uh and their Their vitriolic speeches. I think they are the ones who support violence. I don't know what the percentages are. In fact, I wonder.

Uh let's see, what are the percentages? In America, let's try this. Conservatives Conservatives. versus liberals Um being how she say this, being Uh not killed, but uh I'll just say yeah. Yeah.

Um Politi for pol uh for political reasons.

Okay, I'll put that in the sea I wonder what the uh answer is gonna be. It's like that. Oh, on ex cache patel, let's see if you can get it to that where it says that. It says, the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody. Thank you to the local and state authorities in Utah for your partnership with them.

He'll provide more updates when available. That is great, and Laura put that in there. Thanks, Laura. Appreciate that. Laura works with me.

She's a great great uh great asset to Carm.

So uh overall politically motivated killings in America Uh January 6th, 2021. It says Yeah. Reuters documented at least 213 politically violent incidents. resulting in thirty-nine deaths. Uh don't see if there's any differentiation.

I wouldn't Be surprised at all. There's no documentation on the percentage because, well, it would seem that. More left. More right-wing people are killed. I would just, that's just my guess, but I don't know, you know.

So, uh, 130 fatalities in far-right extremists, terrorist attacks, whatever that means. Uh let's see. We're responsible for 313 comprising Yeah, it just got whatever. I can't remember. I'm trying to read through it and see.

So, um Far right, far left, left wing. Kelly, what does that mean? See, the way they, you know, you ever heard that saying, 80% of statistics are wrong 50% of the time. It's a joke kind of statistic. You can make anything sound.

As you know, you want with statistics. I am curious, though, to know. If there are any um The stats on that. Anyway, there we go. Pray for the Kirk family.

And by God's grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. Have a great evening everyone. God bless.

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