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Alright, I'm just making adjustments here. Last bit before the show. And usually get a lot of things I played all the time, so. That's why I'm just doing this. All right, we've got Jermaine from California.

Hey, Jermaine, buddy. Welcome back. You're on the air. Uh oh. Did I hear?

I don't hear him. Germaine, you there?

Okay, sorry about that. That was me accidentally buttoned on.

Okay, no problem.

So what do you got, big man?

Well, I wanted to ask you about the vision that Isaiah sees in Isaiah chapter six Where He has this uh picture of Just this magnificent figure, and just says, woe is me, and he's undone. And it just seems like a a place of of reverence that he's in. should we be approaching God like that in prayer at times? Like As far as when we go, when we pray and we I hear some people Not that you need a formula or a perfect way to pray, but should we be at least somewhere in the vicinity of where Isaiah is. Spiritually when we're praying.

Yeah. Yeah, we sh we should. We should be approaching prayer, um Approaching prayer very carefully. uh reverently With awe. Because uh We need to understand who God is and how great He is.

And so um yeah, we should be approaching all of that in awe. We really should. It's hard sometimes because we become complacent. and uh comfortable. with our prayers uh of a distant uh apparently uh distant God, and we mean not by that He's not there for us, but we don't touch 'em, you know, can't hear, you know.

And we become kind of apathetic sometimes. That's just what happens, and it needs to be avoided. But yeah, we should. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Okay, um And also I guess the follow-up to that is I hear some people who I'm trying to have the right words here, but they're almost referring to Christ as like. A dude, or I see her, hey, Jesus is my homeboy. And I know what they're trying to say. But is that at times a little bit like are they missing the mark? I mean, I know some people have a good heart and they want to do Well, with that, but I don't know if that's necessarily accurate or appropriate.

Yeah, i it's uh I think context is really important. I think there are times we can say of a father, it's like saying daddy. in the Aramaic when he was referring to uh to God.

So there's a range of of feelings and conditions in which we can address God. I think there's times when it should be in awe, in adoration, in fear, in expectation, in hope, in love, in resting in the arms of our Father, all kinds of things. If we've committed sin and we're talking to God. About it. you know, uh be very careful.

If it's fellowship and intimacy that we're seeking, and we emphasize that relationship of a father in a loving way, that's good.

Now the question becomes if he's you know calling him my homeboy. Again, I think context is really important. I remember seeing a video of some gangbangers, Mexican gangbangers. Yeah. and one of them became a very solid Christian.

And he would go out to these gangs and he would talk street level with them about God. And they heard him. They understood him. And uh you know he would say things that I wouldn't say. In the way I wouldn't say them.

But he was able to get through to people.

So I think that's you know, just how we need to be careful. Uh I'd be reverent. not disrespectful in our attitude of God. But I think that um It it depends. But Yeah, be respectful.

Absolutely.

Okay, yeah, and I I think I understand that. That was a great Great comparison, Cruz. I know some parts of LA down there you you can lose your life and That's someone going out. If you're speaking in a language that they understand and they can resonate, then we can be it's almost like the cults, we can be using the same language, but it had completely different meanings.

So for them, they may not see Homeboy as as as something as offensive, it might be something that they can more relate to. Right. And so I think context really is everything, and intentionality. Um You know, I remember once uh back in Southern California It's not a very good comparison, but it'll work. I went to the beach to go talk to some people.

about Jesus. I just dressed up as basically not a punker, but but a kind of a mod uh kind of a look. Appears to hear earring, appears to hear a head, spiked hair, weird jacket, boots, the whole bit. and uh because I wanted to relate to the people you know, to a degree. And I did.

I went in and found a group and talked to them. And they were impressed. in a good way that I was dressed like them. Even though I was a Christian, talking about Jesus. And they listened.

I remember that.

So I think we need to be wise as serpents and harmless and doves because Jesus says became all things, or Paul says, became all things to all men. yet without sin, And so, and then there's another thing that just popped into my mind: prison. I did nine years of prison ministry. and I did many prisons in Southern California. uh assume all over California, sorry.

And uh One of the things I noticed is kind of interesting is The the different levels of of how do I say this Without sounding judgmental, because I'm not, I mean no judgment on these guys at all, but the different levels of education and culture that they would have and manifest in a church service. And How it was so varied.

Some would interrupt my sermon and answer a rhetorical question. And some would just shout out, Praise God, and it wasn't really that appropriate, but. I didn't mind. Uh I remember once in Tehachapi prison, I've told this story before, it just comes to mind, is these two, well, I was preaching about the loss of my son, and I was trying to compare with them, the loss of families are incarcerated. And uh these two Oh man, I still remember these guys, Mexican guys tattooed.

Uh they look mean. But they started walking towards me. 'Cause I'm up on a platform preaching and they were walking right up towards me and I thought, Am I going to get killed? Yeah, 'cause they they could get to me and destroy me really fast. And um I just kept preaching.

And they went right up to where my feet were because I'm on a podium, and they went to my right, their left, got down on their knees, and they prayed. For the rest of the service, and I talked to them later, they were praying that the word of God would reach the hearts of some of the guys in there who'd come to hear. And You know, the The differences of approaches that different people would have. And these guys. during a church service went up While I'm preaching, which is not what you do in a normal church and then he went up and started going in the front and praying.

And I loved it. I had a lot of respect for these guys. But it's just so many different ways that people express their But they're um Dependence on God. I remember the Dutch church when I was a first assistant pastor, they were very reverent, very loving. You didn't put your arm around your wife.

I did, but you weren't supposed to. You stood on cue and sang certain stanzas in the hymns, and you sat on queue. And. you know, they weren't praising God the way we might. But they were praising God the way they did.

Anyway, I the point is, I just learned to really enjoy so much difference between the people of God. And so your question, you know. to what level do we show respect or honor is intentioned. And When people have an intention of showing it, it might manifest in different ways that one culture might say is not good, but another might like.

So it's a varied question. It's a great question. And uh I I reminisce a lot about remembering different situations of the different guys Worshiping God. In fact, my favorite. or the ones imprisoned.

Undoubtedly. Anyway, you got me reminiscing. See, there you go again, Chairman. You keep asking these questions. I'm talking about you so much.

Well, you know, and I'll save it for another day. I will say, our church, we. We have a lot of people who were formerly incarcerated, and I noticed that people who were in organized crime or Some gang or law enforcement where they have to see gritty stuff. It's been my experience that many of them make some of the best Christians that I've known. They're more authentic and They don't have time for any nonsense and And I've seen old pictures of you, by the way.

You look like you belong on the motorcycle, so I understand why they were able to relate to you. Uh yeah, well, uh um Yeah, like I say, I've changed a great deal. You know, I remember once, there's nobody waiting, but uh. I remember once in Folsom prison. Oh, you know, just you said something about they have no time for nonsense, they're real.

and as in Folsom Prison, we're sitting out in the yard and the bleachers as the guys would walk. And the blacks were in one area, the Mexicans were in another, the Asians were another, the whites were in another. That's just how it how they sat. Then they would go down into the oval and they would march, and that was the only place you were allowed to interact with Someone outside of your group. Without repercussions.

But even then, you had to be careful. Anyway, this, I was told all this stuff, and this one guy. Man, he must have been five foot tall, five foot three, or four, five, I don't know. A small, frail guy. And I've told the story on the air before.

And what he would do during that time is he would go between the groups. And talk of about the Lord and be a messenger between groups. And he'd been threatened by the Aryans, the white Aryans. You don't go talk to the Mexicans or the blacks or whatever it is. And.

uh they threatened to kill him. And He says, if they kill me, they kill me. I'm going to go and do what I got to do. And I'm going to just preach that gospel to everybody. And you know.

I'm like Uh okay. Like that, 'cause me, you know, I get a callus on my finger when I hit my mouse button too many times. And these guys are facing life and death in there. And so you're right. No time for nonsense.

There's often the greatest witnesses for Christ. and for do I enjoy their company. I really do. Makes me want to go back to do start doing prison ministry again.

So yeah, you're right, brother. Anyway, it's just good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where look forward to talking about that some more in the future, like But we're fine with the shady. Yeah, I got a lot of prison ministry.

Stories I could talk about. Maybe I'll do that. After the break or whatever, I'll tell some stories that uh happen inside. You know, no baby. All right.

Sound good, buddy? All right.

Sounds good. Appreciate it, man. Thank you.

Alright buddy, let's talk, okay? Talk to you later, buddy. God bless. All right, that's Germaine. Hey, we have wide open lines.

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If you want to give me a call, the number is 87720-72276. You know, I was thinking about the prison experiences I've had. Uh in prison. Not a big deal. Uh You know, it's it might sound more scary than it than what it really is a lot of times, but when you do it for nine years, they go to different prisons, you're gonna have different encounters.

And I would go into the very highest level of prison, and we had to go through eight, nine, ten, twelve doors just to get in there with the guys. And you have a button. They call it a button. It's like a pager thing that you'd hit a button. and uh the guards would come running in really fast if there was a problem.

And um And some of the negative things that had happened there was once when an inmate had his hand on my throat. Um and he was trying to stare me down. And I wouldn't back down. And you had to earn respect in a place like that. That was an interesting adventure.

I remember once we preached, it was called Under the Gun. A long Hallway. and it must have been ten feet wide and eighty feet long. And at the top of each of these uh Yeah. were guards with rifles.

And uh It's called being under the gun. And I'd preach in a room. And um Under the gun. We were out there once and we had to hit the ground. Once we're walking in the yard going to a chapel, and we're coming back from the chapel, I forgot which, and all of a sudden there was an alarm and We just sit on on the ground.

for it was about five minutes and the guy was with we just talked you know blah blah blah we just we're comfortable it was fine and uh then we're able to go to leave Um And then I told you about the story of the two Mexican guys, which really impressed me. How they came up and prayed. It was that. I met guys in there who really you could just tell they loved the Lord. They just love the Lord, you could just tell, full of the Spirit of God.

And I met many guys who were thankful for being in prison. because that was where they found Christ. And uh They were thankful. And when they got out, they're going to live for Jesus. It's really interesting stuff.

And you know, in nine years of prison ministry, that those are the worst things that happened to me. The only other one that I can even think of, which wasn't b a big deal, I was um in the chaplain's office. up in uh Folsom. and they call it the the dark side. this particular area, the dark side.

And I was in the chapel's office, who was legally blind, he was, and He had a dog and a whole bit, and he was a chaplain. Anyway, no big deal. He did a fine job. as watching the the men out in the yard walk the circle, walk the oval. walk the track.

And I focused on this one particular guy, just did. I don't know, I just kind of saw him, and I was just looking at him. And maybe 300 feet away, 253 feet away. He just looked. He he just uh his head just jerked to the left and looked.

I could tell he was looking at me. In the um in the in the office. I don't know how to describe it, but it was just I th I felt it was a demonic thing going on. And um Yeah, the Willies right there. I mean, I did.

Woo! But what's really interesting is when you go to prison They do background check on you and um for any of you who might be interested in considering it. They do a background check. And Then you have to go to a class, what you can and can't do, and you can't receive any objects from them, any letters, any messages. You can't give any messages to them.

You can't do anything like that. You only go in there, you have a Bible, and you can teach. And uh You know, you're in the yard with them. You're in a chapel with them. and there's some bad guys in there and they can hurt you.

But they say, and if there's a riot and you're held hostage, we'll try and get you out. We'll try. Uh no guarantees. And You go, okay. And when you get in there, they are so grateful, the inmates are so grateful that you're there.

They are so grateful. And another weird thing is that you felt safe, or at least I felt safe in there, because I knew there were lots of guys who would protect me. As I'm coming in to preach. And I talked about that with a few guys at different locations. And they said, look, You're taking your free time to go into a place like us.

And to preach and teach and to minister to us. You're taking time out for that. And he says, and we know that you're not an object. of persecution. you're they appreciate And everybody does.

They get it. And so, if something happens, he says basically you're guaranteed safety. Basically. They may hold you hostage, but they're going to treat you fine, you're not going to do anything. And stuff like that.

So that's the worst it could get. And I thought, oh, okay, well, you know. It never happened, we never got close to anything like that. But these are some of the things that we. we knew we'd have to face.

uh if you do prison ministry for very long. And And that was it. It wasn't a big deal. In fact, if I was asked by a chaplain locally here, hey, you know, some guys in there are requesting you to come in when you when you teach, I'd say, Yeah, sure. Yeah, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

I'd say, yeah, it gets to get cleared again and go in and. And that's it. And then you have different levels of security that you can obtain.

So you have to be. initially to be escorted by a guard wherever you go. And then after a while the you you progress a little bit and then they just say, There you go, we'll see you later. And then you walk on your own. uh because there's certain levels of trust in certain things and And uh Uh many times I would preach And these men would, you know, raise their hands.

and they would ask questions during the sermon. Or answer rhetorical questions, and they were always very thankful, very appreciative. of of us coming in to preach the word and they would listen. And sometimes there were unbelievers there who just wanted to get out of their cells or just get out of the sun, and they knew they could go into a chapel. Where there's air conditioning, and they would just go in, and that was fine too.

Because they could hear the gospel being preached. Anyway, if any of you are thinking of doing something like that, it's not that big a deal. and uh did it for nine years. Nine years, not a big deal. All right, having said all of that, uh You know, I was in some discussion rooms yesterday, walked around the block.

I have a mile circuit around the neighborhood that I'll go through and I'll. I will get on the phone, I'll talk with people. I have a headset and I'm able to go in. And I was in a room, and we got into a discussion about idolatry with an Eastern Orthodox. And so I'm going to tell you about that a little bit.

And What I'm observing, which I think is very interesting, at least to me, is how so many people. Who are in these false religions like Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism? how little they care about the truth of who God is and what His Word is. They care about their church. And So, as I was discussing the issues, I was very polite, went into a room in a discussion, and this one, a woman was talking about.

Different companies that produce icons, and which ones to buy them from, and which ones not. just listening. And it reminded me of being in in Greece. last year. When we went into the bus, uh tour bus stop, we went into a place and uh they were bidding on the icons.

Spending money on icons, they could take them home and use them in their worship services. was so pagan. Hey, there's the music. I'll be right back after these messages. Why don't you give me a call?

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If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772-072276. Did you know that there are seven ecumenical councils to which the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church adhere? And they state that these ecumenical councils are authoritative and that they decide what true doctrine is. And so, truth is found in their councils and the interpretation of those councils give of Scripture. That's where truth is found.

It is above Scripture, it's above.

Well, any individual.

So the counsels are those that are true.

Well, in the Seventh Ecumenical Council of Nicaea, it says this: Anathema to those who apply passages of scripture written against idols to holy and venerable images. Anathema to those who do not salute holy and venerable images. Anathema to those who call them idols. Anathema to those who do not teach diligently all Christian people to worship and salute the holy, precious, and venerable images of all saints. Anathema to those who hesitate and do not from the heart confess that we ought to worship holy images.

Now, this is the seventh ecumenical council that said these things, and this is, of course, blasphemy, it's heresy. And so when we look for the Word of God, we're going to find something contrary to what uh the exception of that commitment on the council says.

Now, I'm going to read these. I'm going to go to this and talk about it out of Exodus 20 and Leviticus 26. But here's a question: why is it that the Seventh Ecumenical Council would teach against Scripture?

Now, they'll say to me, No, it's not against Scripture, it's just against your understanding of Scripture, your private interpretation, because our church is true. No, their church is not true, it's a false religion. And this is what it says in Exodus 20. twenty verses four and five you shall not make for yourself an idol Or any likeness of what is in heaven above, or is on earth beneath, or in the water, or under the earth. You shall not worship them, you shall not serve them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.

So now notice what it says. You shall not make for yourself an idol.

Now, when we go to Leviticus 26. It says, You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image of the sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land and bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

So, what they're going to respond with, generally speaking, is they'll say, well, God ordered that images of things in heaven and earth be made in the temple. And images were something that was used in the worship, so therefore, it's okay for us to do the same thing. And then I say, you didn't hear what the scripture says. You shall not make for yourselves idols. There's a difference between what God commands and what you do on your own.

When God commands that you make ornate fixtures and images and things like this for temple worship, it is not the case that these men who are going in as priests are bowing before these images and worshiping these images or praying before these images as if these images represent things that they're in there trying to Get the favor of. No, they're going into the very presence of God, and this is just the ornate representation of things around God. And that's all that is. They don't use them in their worship services and take them and bid on them, like I saw in Yeah in Greece and then pay money to go get them Put in your home, and you put up on a wall, you have candles, you have whatever, and you kneel before them and you pray to these saints. This is idolatry, it's flat-out idolatry, it's paganism, and it's false.

And so, um This is one of the things that I've tackled them on, and I was blown away by the. Uh I was blown away by the Flat out heresy. That the seventh ecumenical council was advocating in direct contradiction to the word of God.

Now, What I'm saying is the Seventh Ecumenical Council was apostate. The Seventh Ecumenical Council, which is one of the councils that the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Church says are true. I'm saying no, is it false council? And the reason we know, at least in this one area, is that it promoted idolatry and says, Curse you if you don't bow before these images and worship him from the heart. It actually says this.

This is of course uh idolatrous.

Now what does the Bible say about idolatry?

Well, it says in many things in the New New Testament, Matthew 6, 24, you cannot serve God and dwell. Idolatry of the heart there is what's being spoken of. In 1 Corinthians 10, 14, Paul says, Flee from idolatry. And varying forms of greed can amount to idolatry as well. And idolatry is a work of the flesh.

In Galatians 5:19 through 21.

Now, in Romans 1:21-25, they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, they served the creature. Rather than the Creator.

So, what is that? You go out and buy an image of Mary or Saint Joseph or Uncle Bob or whoever or whatever it is, or an icon. Icons are flat pictures, and images and statues are with the Catholic views, three-dimensional. And you bring them into your homes, you put them in your church services, and they become central locations and figures of your worship service. This, of course, is just flat up paganism.

I'm just going to say it publicly: it's paganism, it's ungodly, it is idolatrous, and people need to repent in those two churches. They need to repent. The Eastern Orthodox Church is not a Christian church, the Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian church, they both promote idolatry. idolatry.

Now So, when they serve the creature rather than the Creator, in Romans 1:21-25, exactly what they're doing there is their idolatrous idolatry. issues are idolatrous uh Practices from the heart. They are doing these things that are evil. They're doing these things that are wrong. And they use the scriptures and they try and use the authenticity of their churches to validate their lies from the devil.

These things are not of God. They're condemned in Scripture. You shall not make of yourself an image of the Lord your God or anything above or below that you would bow down to them. That's exactly what they do. They bow down before them.

And then the excuses they give will say, no, we're not bowing down to the image itself, but what the image represents. And you know, oh, really? Oh, I guess it makes it okay now that you're bowing before images when God says, don't bow before images. Period, don't do it, don't do it. And yet they justified in their sinful denial of the truth of God's word.

In Revelation 21:8, idolaters are listed among those who are judged. In Revelation 9:20, there's judgment on those who refuse to repent from their idolatry.

Now, idolatry is easy for the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox. It is so easy to do.

Now, in Roman Catholicism, for example. when they talk about Mary. the things they say about her. The Uh no. The uh I don't know how to put this.

the exalting terms that they use of her, mother of God, for example. They'll say she's the mother of God or she is the queen of heaven. She could be prayed to. She could be supplicated. That means to go before her and ask questions.

She is called the second Eve, is prayed to, sits at the right hand of Christ, is advocate, helper, benefactrix, mediatrix, the mother of the members of Christ. She brings eternal life by her intercession. She helped make atonement for sins. This is flat-out idolatry. This is what the Catholic Church is promoting, and it's just ungodly filth, is what it is.

And yeah, you guys can quote me on that and get the recording and say, yeah, it's ungodly filth, and that's what it is. And then when we go to Eastern Orthodoxy, they also, what they'll do is give to Mary certain titles and abilities that just don't belong to her. Mary alone is the guardian and protection of the faithful. Mary alone is the guardian and protection of the faithful? Are you serious?

Oh, who's Jesus? This it's just insanity. Mary, guide me on the paths of salvation, O Theotokos. Theotokos means the God-bearer. That's Mary.

For I have polluted my soul with shameful deeds and wasted all my life in slothfulness. But. by Thine intercessions do you deliver me from all impurity. This is Paganism, paganism, ungodliness, it's evil, it is sin. He's Oh makes me sick.

O Theotokos, turn not away from me, who am in need of your help, for my soul trusts in you. Do have mercy on me. This is for the Lenten triadion. that I've got. These are documents from the Eastern Orthodox churches.

She's the protector of the faithful. And how about this one? Salvation. Through thee we sinners gain salvation. To marry.

Now can we say Idolatry? Yeah, we can. Idolatry. This is what it is. It's flat out idolatry.

uh to false church. O most holy virgin, undefiled temple, by the fount of Thy tender mercy, wash me clean of the defilement of wicked passions. The f what? the font of your tender mercy washed me clean to replacing Jesus with her. Paganism.

This is what happens. This is what happens when you bow before images. You have to pollute your own mind and heart in order to justify this pagan. practice and one heresy leads to more heresies. How about this?

Every Orthodox Christian ought to repeat this salutation with the utmost reverence, and implore the intercession of the Virgin Mary. All Eastern Orthodox are to extol her. The Orthodox ought to praise and reverence as the mother of the Lord of Jesus. And when we rev Reverence the image of the Virgin Mary, we ascend in our minds into the most holy Mother of God. To her it is that we bow down our heads, to her we bend our knees.

I mean, come on. Yeah how I What other ways can I say it? other than this is just pagan filth. This is paganism in this large church as it is Roman Catholicism. And this is just in the issue of idolatry.

Uh they're pagan churches. They're not godly churches. They're not Christian churches. There's whitewashed sepulchres, dead men's bones inside, They are leaders to damnation. Don't trust in them.

Trust in Jesus. He'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-207-2276. Ben from Ohio. Ben, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, thank you for having me. I have a question about dollars. Octology Oh. What is it and there is this less part of the doxology. I don't know if it should be used or if it's suitable.

Well, a doctology is just something in a church service. Usually it's an ending of something, and it's a short blessing, a short expression. Of praise and thanksgiving and things like that. Often at the end of a service, To signify the end of the service and/or to part people with blessing and things like that. I've been in churches where after everything, not all churches do this.

You'd raise your hand, the minister would, and you'd say, May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, may His light shine upon you. Please go out into the world, folks, and be lights. You know, a doxology could be something like that.

So there's different forms. But anyway, I'm not sure if I'm following you everything with what you're asking about it, though.

Okay? No, no, no. I I I didn't really uh understand what one What one was or is or how it's used. The last part of it, when it's It says Praise Father, Son. They say Holy Ghost.

Yeah. Is that appropriate? It's fine. It's because it's from the King James-ism, Holy Ghost. And modern, we don't say ghost because of the negative connotations, we say spirit.

But you know, that's fine if you say that. It's just a yeah, that's not a problem. And the doxology is generally. A praise of God.

Okay.

Okay.

of the Holy Ghost it kind of I not say rubbed me the wrong way. I just want to make sure that It's used in the right way.

Okay.

Yeah, um Yeah, it it's fi it's fine. Different churches have different liturgical systems. And it's okay. Oh, they're just they're just different. Yeah.

Sorry, yeah, but it's been by me for a while, and I'm glad I called in. And thank you again for. Give me some insight. As always, I appreciate your show. Sure, man.

God bless. Well, thanks. Appreciate it.

Alright. No, thank you, and look forward to calling in again with another question that I might have.

So thank you. Good, thank you. you please do all right All right, it was Ben from Ohio.

Now let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome. Yeah. So thank you. We're at Dave, North Carolina.

I think you're listing. You're like 10, 15 seconds behind. There you go. Yes, sir.

Okay.

What do you got, buddy? I was, well, I'm a new listener recently. I'm running an excavator, it has a radio in it, which is unusual. Yeah. The guy who performed me had it on a Christian radio station and I heard you in a That was pretty cool.

It's interesting stuff. I wanted to ask you what your take was on.

So Israel, first of all, is a big debate whether Israel is you know, Israel is actually God's city and And as you just coming back and there's a lot of people there I believe anti-Semitic, and they believe that The people in Israel are not the chosen ones, but the Christians are. I don't know if that's called replacement theology, but Okay. I wanted to know what your take was on that, and there's a lot of Christians are actually taking sides with Palestine. uh actually online on Twitter and other action. Because it was Christopher.

Yeah, because those Christians are ignorant. We shouldn't be siding with Palestine. The land belongs to Israel because God gave it to them specifically, way before Muslims ever existed. the the Jews are protecting themselves from the um The horrible onslaught that the Muslims have repeatedly committed against that nation. Over many years since its inception, they make a treaty, and then it's not the the Jews who break it, it's the Muslims who break it.

And they don't fire. That's right. They fire rockets, they threaten, they kill, they do all kinds of stuff. And Israel has had enough with that October 17th thing. They're done.

And so they're cleaning houses. Yeah, Till 7th, yeah, that's for sure. Till 7th, that's right, thank you. And so the issue here is that. is not to be trusted.

And will only side with the fools and the evil, because they themselves are fools who are also evil. In fact, I have a a friend in Brazil who tells me that the media there says that everything about Trump is bad. He's saying flat-out lies. The American economy is in bad shape, people are starving. I get a lot of bad kind of noise in the background there.

Uh So, there's a lot of stuff going on like that, just lies, and I know that happens in other countries as well. And Yeah, well, our own media is actually propagating the lie that Israel's the one holding the food back when it's actually the UN and Palestine, and they do the nefarious stuff like they shoot from a hospital. You know, they've been doing that since I was a kid, I'm 64 years old. But I just wanted to hear you say it on the live radio just to correct it because I agree with everything you said. We're fighting the media and the media is on the bad guy's side, unfortunately.

Most of it is Well, the solution is the Christians need to get off their lazy rears and get degrees from communications and get into the news media in all areas: print, digital, TV, radio, and get in there and start doing what they've got to do. They need to do it. And so instead of waiting for the mm-hmm. I'm glad you said that. My last comment and question, I'll hang up and you can talk about it if you want, but was the Bible says to him who's given much is expected.

I think that Christians in America have been given more than any Christians in the world and uh And I I ho I hold the preachers, um highly accountable. I mean, I know a lot about the Revolutionary War. And how they actually fought. And I'm not condoning fighting, I'm just saying how they stood up, but they stood strong for the beliefs and their rights. God-given rights, and it seems like the corporate Christian churches with the denominations have just put out.

Really weak, like ineffective people.

So I'm going to say that, but I just want to hear you elaborate. You can stay on a few minutes. But we have nobody waiting, but uh, some denominations are quite good. A lot of people don't know that during the Revolution Revolutionary War, sometimes the preachers would preach a sermon, and when they were done, they would go get their musket and go get their paddle and they'd go out and fight. I wasn't gonna say it.

I'll let you say it. I wasn't gonna say it. I didn't wanna sound like a radical. But yeah, that's true. Oh, I'm no you haven't you don't know.

I'm I'm not a mama's boy. I'm a tough theologian. I say it like it is. If you don't like it, that's not my problem. Turn the channel off.

I didn't imply that you were. I just didn't know what kind of restrictions you were. Re radio station. Yeah, Los Angeles, but I'm glad you're speaking out like that. Great, great, great, great grandfather was.

Arthur Saint Clair, he was the one giving the credit to give George Washington The unction to go over and attack that night because his nine other generals said they were defeating.

So I'm actually an heir to my middle name's Saint Claire. I'm an heir to I got Patriot goes way back.

Well, my uh my ancestors, one of them was in the whole New Hall gang in Wyoming.

So there we go.

Okay.

Wow. All right, man. I think yours is better though. Did you hear what the Indians called George Washington? Did you know?

No. They called him the White Ghost. And there's many, many accounts from Indians. Who were during the Revolutionary War, things were going on. George Washington, this is removed out of history books because the leftists here, I could get a tangent.

You gotta read the book if you haven't. 1984 by George Orwell. Brilliant book. And he says something in there. He says something in a brilliant who he controls the present controls the past, and he controls the past controls the future.

So, the ones in control of our books are the ones who are erasing history and the godliness of our founding fathers, and they're erasing it so they can control the people's minds in the future. But, nevertheless, so there are plenty of accounts of Indians saying they would take their bows and arrows. These are experts' marksmen. They anticipate directly, they couldn't miss. And they said it would just either go through them or just the arrows would disappear over and over, not just once or twice.

This was repeated to the point where the Indians stopped. even bothering to attack him. He be out in the forest praying. on his knees and he could go up behind him and shoot an arrow at his back and nothing. We gave up.

Boy, why don't they make a movie like that? I'd like to see a movie like that. Yeah, it'd be great. And this is what the Indians said.

So Yeah, but you know, we don't trust our media. I don't trust our media. I need more than I could throw a pile of elephant Gone.

Sorry, but that's a, you know. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's it's well, I read that one, uh, read that there was over 500 CIA were indoc and implanted into. the media back in the sixties and seventies.

And I think it's been a big propaganda machine ever since. I I even did some research on Walter Cronkite, he was a professed communist. They say that his negative comments helped steer. the the nation into a negative mindset on the Vietnam War. He there's a YouTube video of him actually admitting he's a communist also.

Walter Cronicott, the great you know American journalists that everybody trusted and loved. I didn't know that. That's interesting. I used to watch them when I was younger. I'm older than you.

And I used to I used to watch them when I was younger, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, I remember the moon moon walk and stuff like that. Mhm. Yeah, he was right in there with Jane Fonda though, you know, secretly, but later on he's uh had YouTube videos with him and meetings, you know, coming out, coming out of the closet.

What, Hannoi Jane or yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Well, hey man, God bless you. I really appreciate hearing uh your fresh perspective. I'm I'm a kind of a rebel, so to speak, against the system.

So It sounds like uh you are too in a good way and a part of the way we just was a rebel, right? Right. There are good people in the government and there are, but we Christians are the ones who need to get together, get our act together and get out there and start fighting against the unbelief that's that's there. And you're right. We've been giving too much.

Well, you're doing it, man. I appreciate you. God bless your ministry.

Well, hey, check out my website too, Carm.org. Have you ever heard of Carm? C-A-R-M?org? No, no. Yeah, well I'm looking.

Okay, okay, good. Yes, the thirty years old next month has had one hundred and sixty seven million visitors.

Okay.

Wow, I'll look it up, definitely. Yeah. And my real name is My real name is Matt Slick. My real name. It was called Matt Smith.

Yeah, I figured that. You didn't have to nobody had the guts to make that a fake name. Or stupid enough to do it, take the one. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. Oh.

All right, brother, Matt, appreciate it. Yeah, good talking, mister Sluggie. Keep going. Keep going. Good fight.

Hey, I'm I'm fighting, that's what I do. All right, Dave. God bless, man. Yep.

You two, thirty bye. All right.

Yeah, and you know, I got a lot of friends with the same attitude around me here and up in Idaho. And no, we're not, you know, militarists. All the militia groups, no, no, no. But uh there's a lot of people up here who uh up here in Idaho. I'm in the Boise, Idaho area is where I live.

And uh a lot of people, man, they they uh They want the right to carry weapons. They want to be able to work hard, not be taxed into oblivion. They don't want leftist woke. Idiocy, shove down their throats on TV. They want to protect their kids.

You know, they just want to work hard and pay their taxes and do its due. And so I have a lot of friends like that. But anyway, and yeah, we sometimes get together and commiserate about the situation of the leftists, which I believe leftism is a mental disorder. I used to not think that was true, but I do. I think it's a mental problem.

These people are deceived, they're whacked, they need therapy. To be brought out of this stupidity of socialism, communism, and voting for things like this. Yep, and by the way, capitalism is biblical, socialism is not. And if you want, we could talk about that sometime and give me a call. Hey, there's the music.

I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you, and by His grace, be back tomorrow at the same time. And may the Lord bless you. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless you.

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