Matt Slick Live

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. Hey, if you want to give me a call, as usual, all you got to do is dial 8772-07-2276. Today's date is August 28th.

It's a nice. Let's see what it does. Today's Thursday, August 28th, 2025.

Alright, that was for the podcasters and stuff like that. All right, I think it's about that. Looking for things. I got so many things going on, you know, writing articles. And one of the articles I'm writing on, which I'll probably release maybe today, Who is the best example for mankind?

Jesus or Muhammad, working on. I updated my files. I have files on Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy and a whole bunch of stuff. Roman Catholicism file is 260 pages. It's in F by 11, you know, Microsoft Word.

And the other one. is 207, I think it is, in Eastern Orthodoxy. And uh what I've been doing is updating the stuff of the priesthood because Uh It's just it's bad. Both of their priesthoods are false priesthoods. You know, when you really believe the Word of God, it's easy to say, well, it's a false church.

If you really believe the Word of God, you believe in it. But what's interesting is when I present this information to the EO and the RC, they don't care. They just don't care. All they care about is the truth of their church. Shame, shame, shame.

Hey, why don't you give me a call? Three open lines, 8772072. Yeah. Seven six. All right, Buskman, welcome, brother.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt, thanks for taking my call. Two questions, Matt, and I can take the answer off the air, brother. Um Can you give us a brief history of the modern state of Israel? And Should Christians support the State of Israel and why or why not.

That's what I've got, Matt.

Okay, sounds good. Um All I know is May 14th, 1948, that Israel became a recognized state. And there was the Six-Day War in 1967, which is really interesting when you study some of the miracles that happened. And since then, Israel has faced all kinds of conflicts and problems and issues as the really tolerant Muslims try to destroy their nations and kill their people. It's a religion of peace.

Remember that. It's always a religion of peace. A really really Comfortable religion of peace. They want to help people and while they're destroying everybody and stuff. Go to the religionofpeace.com.

The religionofpeace.com. All right, now why should we basically support Israel? Overall, we should support Israel. That doesn't mean that we support everything Israel does. They're just normal.

And if you read the Old Testament, you'll see where Israel messed up a lot. But even then, God was faithful to them. God, but that they were his covenant people. And so, uh He says, I will make in Genesis 12:2, God says to Abraham, I will make you a great nation, I will bless you, make your name great. and you shall be a blessing, and I will bless those who bless you.

The one who curses you I will curse.

So that's the basic reason why we want to support Israel, biblically speaking. Again, it doesn't mean everything that Israel does and everything Israel says is perfect, any more than it means in the Old Testament that what they did was perfect and pure every single time. But the idea of covenant faithfulness to God's covenant people is good.

Now, are they saved?

Well, no. They need an awakening. They need the work of God. They need to be able to trust in the Messiah. And I believe that there is a prophecy in the Bible in Luke.

Romans 11, where it talks about um When the time of the Gentiles is over, then all Israel will be saved. And I believe that that's what's going to be happening.

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Okay, we're dropping them. I don't know what's going on there. Uh, I don't know if I heard a cuss word or not, or it was just a glitch in the radio, but it was pretty bad.

So, um, the glitch on the line that is.

So there you go. Uh If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072. And uh wait till Keith gets the collars Kind of acclimated, and he does. Uh, he takes a call.

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So, what I'm going to do now is get some radio questions while waiting for that to kind of clear up. And uh let's see, how about this one? What are the word of wisdom and word of knowledge in the Below versus How are these defined? Thank you very much. I don't know how they're defined because the Bible doesn't tell us.

we can only infer from what the words are. that um It would appear to be that the word of wisdom is uh Is a statement that comes from the Lord. That's through you. to help someone else And it's something of just that's just what it is. It's wise, it's wisdom.

And then a word of knowledge generally is not something about wisdom statements and how to do things in a wise way. very good way. But you have information that normally you wouldn't have. And that's that seems to be what they are. That seems to be what they are.

So there's that one. And uh Let's get to Oscar from New York. Hey, Oscar, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir.

I would like to know.

Somebody asked me a question. Can a Christian be the money possessed? No, he can't.

Alright, so Greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world, okay, the Bible says. And also, if you go to. Matthew 12 Now, when an unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says I will return to my house from which I came, and when it comes, it finds it Or if I did unoccupied, swept and put in order, that means The spirit of God is not there, it's unoccupied. The spirit of the man.

So then it goes in and takes along seven other spirits as well. Wicked than itself.

So the The uh issue there Seems to be the implication is that When you receive Christ, you are indwelt by God. That's John 14, 23 says that. And so Here it says, well, if it finds it's empty and unoccupied, it can come in.

So that's one of the further Um supports for the idea that no it cannot be devoted possessed, okay? Oh, sis. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Okay, bye-bye. You're welcome. Come. God bless. All right, now let's get to Martin from Virginia.

Martin, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, Matt, God bless. Thanks for taking Mark Paul. Sure.

What do you got? That recent shooting. Uh uh Kids in uh in a church, I think it's Wisconsin, just yesterday. Right. And it came out, you know, what the shooter was, and such.

I'm not going to play politics on it, but. You see so much now in the news how governors and mayors are trying to play politics and I don't know how many times I heard. Five times they said uh We have a gun problem, and there's more guns than there are citizens in the United States. But what they're not telling you is. you also have more knives.

So It's a false equivalency. We have more nice but But that's not the problem. Just clearly not the problem. And America ranks number 11th in the world for a nation national marriage shooting.

So it just It's just enraging me that the left likes to try to play at any crisis. Any question? You have a question?

So what when we have people saying that it's it more prayer, more concern, more empathy. And then we have someone Like what's her name? The old White House, not old, but the previous White House. Uh press secretary saying. Prayer does no good.

is worthless. It it kind of enrages me as a Christian.

Well How do you handle that with family members? That that follow that same path. Um And just say, How do you know it doesn't matter? Because the Bible says, 1 John 5, it says, when you pray according to his will, but you've got to understand. What I'll tell people is, I said, it wasn't until Adam and Eve acted like atheists, developing their own morality, that things went bad.

Instead of subjecting themselves to the word of God, the truth of who and what God is, they started deciding for themselves what was true and right and morally good. and look what happened. Everything just hit the fan with bad. And so, what God is doing is letting people have their consequence of their rebellion against Him. Then they cry out and say, Why are you doing this?

Why are you letting this happen? But he's letting it happen because they are the ones who are rebelling against him.

So he lets people have what they want. He very often does that. Just as the self-righteous lawyer came up to Jesus and said, What good thing must I do to be saved? And he answered him according to his quote. You got to keep the law then.

Do it perfectly, are you? No, you're not.

So, God answers questions according to what you want, and there's desire. Because uh that's just how he works. All right. Furthermore, um You know, they politicize this. stuff very quickly.

And statistically, more people's lives are saved on an annual basis due to computer guns and weapons than they are lost. And that is for a fact. And so, if their idea of the leftist moron wackos, their idea is safety, then they should have everybody have guns. Because when everybody has a gun, everybody's equal.

So, you know, when I was driving down the road listening on the radio, and they said, What can we kind of, what kind of, there's two things here I want to talk about. What kind of things can we do to make people safer? Give them all the guns. Give all the teachers guns. Trade them.

If everybody knew that that's what it was in a school, are you going to go in there and risk your own life trying to shoot people up? you'd be taken out. It's just common sense.

Now, that's one thing, but here's what bothers me to no end. I listen to news stations. I listen to commentary about the rise of violence and all this stuff. Not a single one of them. Ever.

talks about the issue of the heart. We'll get to that after the break because there's a break. and uh we'll talk about this because it's really important okay so hold on buddy Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, you can. 877207200.

227631. right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everyone, Bill, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, the number is 877207. 2276 Martin, are you still there? Yeah, yeah. One quick question. Just before the break, you said that the station didn't talk about a reference love.

Did you mean like? Um Yeah. Morality or the oh no, you said heart. isn't reference to the heart. Do you mean morality or love?

The news media and the and the commentators, the pundits, they miss the issue. They all miss it. I'm going to read something out of the Scripture. This is what it says in 1 Timothy 1:9. Realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly.

And sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers. murderers. That the Bible talks about this, the law is.

So the law, my shorthand term is saying the law is for the hand. It restricts the hand's movements of injuring, stealing, etc. The law is for the hand, the gospel is for the heart. The gospel changes the heart. The heart then guides the hand.

Now you remove the gospel and you need more laws to fill the vacuum. But more laws breed resentment, oppression, and rebellion. Then what happens is that the lawless uh sinners complain against God for the rebellions and tragedies that follow.

So what the pundits are doing is complaining and saying we need more law. That's not a solution. More law is not the solution more God, more gospel is the solution.

Okay? That's what is the issue is. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah.

Yeah, you rebel and you disobey and you rebel, you're gonna get yourself what 38 more years in the desert. Yeah, and and you know, if you think about it, the early Our nation early Believed in God. Not everybody, but There was a lot of godly people. They had decency laws in movies. They had decency laws for radio.

Uh Yeah, there certainly were bad people, but for o overall, they were. God country. Uh People who follow the law. Then they removed God and prayer from the schools in 1963. Then they Taught people it's okay to kill the unborn.

And Then lawlessness increases because the heart is now. Um wicked. It It's okay to kill the unborn. It's okay to redefine marriage. It's okay to do what I want.

And as it says in the Old Testament, It says everyone did what was right in their own eyes. in the judges. Yeah, the sanitization of of selfishness. to do their own thing. That's right.

So what the leaders need to do is not promote a religion in particular. Except I think they should promote Christianity because it's the the truth. But they should then promote laws that encourage Pastors, teachers to flourish in society so that they can teach more people. They should make churches. tax exempt, etc.

things like this, to be able to get people Um Uh their hearts changed. and this will heal the nation. It's simple. But the pundits are secularists, and so they want to put band-aids on problems. And they don't understand.

They don't understand that the law is for the ungodly, for the profane, the uh. The the killers, the murderers.

So that's what the law is for. This is why we're having trouble, because that's it's a heart problem, not a law problem.

Okay. Yeah, we need more people to get out and vote and uh and follow a a godly and Christian and a rightly Uh Awarded vote applied vote. Yeah, that's true. All the Christian church, the whole Christians, all true Christians, true Christians, not Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. True, Bible-believing, justified, saved, born-again Christian should be praying for this country.

And praying for a spiritual revival in this country, it should be taught from the pulpit on a regular basis. Don't forget. Pray for this country. Pray for its revival. And it shouldn't be so oftenly said that it's just a phrase that people dismiss, but the encouragement, and even have meetings.

They should have churches today, also have a prayer meeting, a prayer night meeting, where everybody can come one night a week. I agree with most of that. I kind of disagree with the the segregation part. I know that We've had uh multi Multi-religion, multi-type religion meetings. And my brother is Mormon and God bless him.

He believes what he believes. but he is raising some wonderful daughters Um to do good in society and to respect Christ Unfortunately, their version of price is not My Christian version of Christ. I still love them. I still accept him. I still pray for him.

When Mormons pray, they're praying to their demonic God. That's just what it is because their gods are not real.

So, true Christians need to pray to the true God. And the God of Mormonism is an exalted man from another planet who has a goddess wife and has relations and produce offspring. This is not the God of scripture. And the Bible says, I forgot the exact verse, it says they serve by nature those which are not gods, and they served demons that they thought were gods through demonic influences. That's what Mormonism is.

I know that people in Utah, listening to me right now, are very, very angered by that.

Well, invite me down. Could I live in Idaho? Invite me down, and we'll meet at a church or a building, and I'll go through and answer all your questions, and we'll talk about it. But Mormonism is not Christian, and neither is Jehovah's Witnesses, and neither is Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox. I've got Jehovah's Witnesses that come over once a month now, just 'cause I like to talk to them.

Yeah, I like to try to witness to them and And they even got one of their brothers, Snowy. He's been around for a while, and they brought brought him out for me. We can sit down and quote scripture and uh He gets uh a couple of the people that are with him get a little befuddled gets, Well, no, that's It's not just the 41,000, the 40,000. It's 41,000. Yeah, we're a little off topic here, but yeah.

Yeah. So, but the thing is that that is, they're false religions. People have to understand, and I believe that Christians are undereducated in church. They don't understand that this is a serious spiritual issue. There are demonic forces out there, they're alive and well, and the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox.

One is Pentecostal. Let's see, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness churches, Christian science, and stuff, and even in the SDA. Boy, people are saying, man, you are judgmental. Yeah, I am. That's what the nature of truth is.

It is a scalpel that separates truth from error. And you've got to know what the truth is. And so, true-born, that's why I said true born-again Christians who have access through the blood of Christ to the true and living God at the throne in heaven. Ask, God, please save this nation. Send people to live in godly ways in high offices of power.

Use us. Put it upon our hearts what to pray for. And you pray for the salvation of these people. You pray for the salvation of the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Muslims. Because we don't want them in control.

When Roman Catholicism was in control, we had the Crusades. We had. the Inquisition. When Islam is in control, we have killing. And and murder.

That same with Protestants, too. I mean, England was not much better.

Sometimes in France, too. There was a lot of bad on both sides. That is true. You know what? The more people you have, the more kind of bad opportunities you have.

That's the point. Yeah, I say if you want to mess something up, you just need people in time. But the point is that what we need is we need born-again Christians submitting to the Word of God. Those Protestants who were doing that, not like the Catholics were, because the Catholics were, I can't even repeat what they were doing, I can repeat it. But on the airport.

But yeah, they were doing bad stuff, but they were not true Christians because that's not what the Bible says to do.

Okay, so anyway. Thank you so much. We should have a council on this. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Okay everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, at the bottom of the hour is a number. is 877207.

2276 Pastor Sam from Missouri, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, my friend, how are you? We haven't spoken in a while, but um I saw you today in passing. In the cross mob, I thought I'd ask you a question that I didn't get a chance to ask the last time. We had a conversation.

Sure, no problem. In uh 1 Timothy chapter four, verse ten. It says that God is the Savior of all men. especially those uh who believe These things command and teach. How is that compatible with living in homeland?

Oh, it's very compatible. Because we have to ask questions. What does it mean to be the Savior? I ask people, is he the Savior of those who were damned?

Well, no, he's not. But if he's the savior of all men, then what does it mean?

Well, it means all types of men. Because initially Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 15, 24. He was the savior only for the nation of Israel. That was the covenant. aspect.

But they broke the covenant, so we were grafted in as the Gentiles, and that was prophesied. But that's another topic.

So he's a savior of all men means that God is is uh The Savior not only of all people, but especially of believers, shows salvation is applied to those who have faith. Christ's death is sufficient for all, but efficient only for the elect.

Okay? It fits perfectly into limited atonement, right? Yeah, well, that doesn't really. makes sense because the text says The Savior of all men.

Okay. And then it makes. the statement, especially those That belief.

So you have. You have all men And then you have Those that believe.

So It couldn't be. Did he save the ones who were damned? Yeah, but yeah, yes. Yes, in my in I I would have to I would have to uh I would have to I would have to conclude like I believe that you're doing that yes, it does include The J um'cause Because That's what it says. It says, hold on, hold on, hold on.

All men. To be a savior means to save them from that judgment of God.

So if they face the judgment of God and they're under that judgment, then they've not been saved.

So, how then is he the Savior? Yes. How then is He the Savior of those who are damned? He's the Savior. See, the only reason.

Why they are damned is because of They are reasoning and decision-making available. And that's not true. That's not true. I'm sorry, I disagree with you. You said the only reason is because of their failures of reasoning abilities.

That means that people can come to faith by their reasoning. But that's refuted by Jesus. Let me explain. That's refuted by Jesus in John 6:65, where he says, You cannot come to me unless it's granted by the Father.

So reasoning. Is wiped out. as a possibility of why you come to Christ. Can't come, let's g let's not based on reasoning.

Okay. Well, see, the only thing about it is that God does grant it, but He grants it on the behalf of Christ. It's not just granted just simply for being granted. But here's the thing. The ability, see, God puts faith.

within MagCon's Makeup. They kind of has faith. But the faith of the gospel. comes to mankind. Because of what Christ did.

gospel is preached. It says, how can they hear without a preacher? How can he preach? Except he's been since.

So it's not just slathered all over the place, the gospel. Has to be preached, and when the gospel is preached, Mankind has an opportunity at that point, too. But you don't think that. You don't think that when the gospel is preached, a person has an opportunity to believe? That's what you're saying?

No, no, no. Let's get back to the topic of 1 Timothy 4:10. Because you said the issue here is if Jesus is someone's savior, it means he saved them.

Okay, it's like there's there's a A boat out there that has a life raft, a lifeboat out there, a ship has sunk. And these people, say five people are in this this life. And they're out of water, they're out of food, they're starving, you know, they're not doing well. They've been out there for a few days, and a ship. Uh goes to Doc and says, Yeah, we saved, we're their saviors.

We saved them. and they're still out there in the water. You can't say there's a Savior. That they saved. I get what it is not is it it is not intended to.

to fit your logic, but what the technology is. It has to be because here's the thing. Let me do an analogy like you just did, an analogy. I have a just say I have a hotel. And the hotel has one thousand rooms in it.

And I tell people Uh anybody Everybody that wants to come to this hotel can come. There's a thousand roads. And then But people Cool. supposedly Know me. are telling people there's only five hundred eighteen rooms.

But the truth is, is that there are a thousand rooms.

So People are going to believe what they heard. But you say, well, how could there be A thousand rooms if these people are telling me that there's only 518 rooms. That's awesome. It doesn't mean that the thousand rooms aren't there. It's just that people don't people no longer believe.

that the salvation If or the the hotel in this case. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it's a really bad analogy.

So, a thousand rooms, why not infinite rooms? Because the blood of Christ is infinite in its value.

So, why not? Hold on, hold on. Let's talk there. I got you. But then uh just because someone says it's only five hundred You know, it's that.

Look, did Jesus cancel their sin debt at the cross? Did he actually pay for their sins? Did he?

Okay, so if everybody's sins are paid for, that means there's no more sin. It's gone. Yes, it is. I ain't saying your logic. I ain't saying your logic.

Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Sin is a legal debt because Jesus says, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. He says in Matthew 6:12, forgive us our debts. In the parallel, Luke 11:4, he says, forgive us our sins. Jesus equates sin with legal debt. Do you agree?

Do you agree with me? I understand what you have to agree. No, no, no. No, no, no. You have to agree because that's what Jesus said.

He said in one version he said forgiving. I'm telling you, he said, forgive us our sins, forgive us our debts. That's what he said. Mm-hmm. That's what he said.

Right? That is. That's just saying. But it's it's. Only thing about that in another place is just forgive us of our trespasses.

That that's what I'm saying, is that it it says debt in one In one gospel, in the other gospel, it says, forgive us of our trespasses, and we forgive those who trespass. Luke 11:4, Matthew 6:12. In one version, Jesus says, Forgive us our debts. That's ophile ma in Luke 11:4, forgive us our sins. Hermartia.

So Jesus equates sin with legal debt. If you can't agree with this, you're disagreeing with Jesus himself. Yeah. Well, that's not fair. It is true.

Okay. I'm reading it. Look. This is Matthew 6.12, Jesus, quote, in the red. And forgive us our debts as we have forgiven our debtors.

Now, what I'm going to do is go over to Luke 11. Where the prayer, you know, you pray, Father, hallowed be thy name. Etc., etc., in verse 4, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who's indebted to us. And right there in Luke 11:4, the word sins is from Artia, and in debt it's from Ophilema.

So, right there in Luke 11:4, he says, forgive us our sins and as we for ourselves also forgive everyone who's indebted to us. And that's him equating sin with legal debt. He does it. This is proof. And if you can't accept what Jesus says, then why can't trust you?

Well, see, the the challenge here, Matt, is that You're using wordplay.

So I understand what you by using. By you using the word debt to make your point, I got that. But if you use the word trespass, It means something else.

Okay, when we talk about trespass, we're talking about a violation against me or a violation against you. Or as it says in all. Uh John 3 and 4, I think it is. uh that sin is a transgression of the law.

So when you trespass So the truck passes You know, that's a different word than debt.

So I'm not disagreeing with Jesus. It's just that I'm not using the word debt in the way that you are using it. No, the way he uses it. It's not me. It's him.

Forgive us our debts. Oh, feeling mom. In fact, we got a break coming up. Stay on here. I'm going to show you.

I'm going to read you from Jesus. I know who you are. You're a polite guy. We've had our discussion before on Clubhouse. I'm grateful you're called.

I am. I hope they're all listening. but you're not believing Jesus. And I'm gonna show you, okay? When it's on boards, okay.

All right, all right, I'm gonna mute up. I'll be with you right back.

Okay. Hey folks, I like this guy. He's a nice guy. But we'll be right back. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying this.

Okay, Sam, are you still there? Yeah, I'm still here, my friend. It's all right.

Now what I'm going to do... is read you what Jesus says. In Matthew 6. We're reading that so I can read it too. Matthew.

Matthew 6, okay. Are you reading the King James? Um Uh yeah, I think to sustain them.

Okay, so But I'll do the King James if you want to do the King James. It's up to you, okay? But uh doesn't matter. I'm I'm I'm pretty good with any of it.

So okay. NSB is just nice and easy. I like it. All right, so this is what he says. Jesus says, you know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

Verse 11, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts. Au file ma as we forgive our debtors from Ophilemon, And lead us not into temptation.

Okay. But deliver us from evil, for yours is the kingdom of power and glory. For if you forgive others their transgressions, that's lawlessness, or that's transgression, excuse me, that's paraptomata. Our Heavenly Father will also forgive you. For if you forgive others, then your father, if you do not forgive others, your father will not forgive your true.

transgressions, you're paroptomata.

So He's saying forgive us our debts, which are equating with Transgressions. That's Matthew six, twelve through fifteen. And the other one in Luke 11 Give us this day our daily bread, Luke Luke 11.3. Forgive us our sins. Because in the parallel of Matthew 6:12, forgive us our debts.

So look at this. Luke eleven three Give us each day our daily bread, Matthew six eleven, give us this day our daily bread. Back to Luke. and forgive us our sins.

Now to Matthew. and forgive us our debts. Jesus equates sin with legal debt. There's no way out of this, okay? Are with me?

Um I don't I don't have a problem with I don't have a problem with being indebted because of STEAM, but my the challenge is Is that The text in First Timothy four. and can says that he's the Savior of all men.

Now, if I take that and apply it to where we have it right here. He just told these people Not because of the limited attone. But he just told these people. that if you forgive Your enemies, if you forgive people, if you let people out of the debt that they owe you. Your Heavenly Father will let you out of the debt.

That you owe him, and if you don't, then he won't let you out of the debt that you owe. That's conditional. That's not actually. Limited. That's limited to the fact that if you're obedient or not, right or wrong.

Well, you don't, that's wrong. You don't want to get into work salvation. Doug, here's a question for you. Jesus He has to be the Savior of all men. Then what do you do with 1 Samuel 3.14?

God is saying I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering for ever. Does that include Jesus' sacrifice? Was that particular That particular passage where you are. Applies to Eli And his house and forever is in that particular in that culture Whoever had different connotations, and one of them. would have been until the end of this Yeah.

that he's under. I mean, you can check that In various places.

So I would not apply that to the atonement that Christ brought. Because Under Under the um under the under the dispensation that than Eli was under There wasn't anything that could actually do what Christ did. There was Nothing That could so. I wouldn't apply that there myself, although I do see what I do see what you mean. I don't want to sound like I'm being uh Disingenuous to the position is a short one.

I consider your response within the logical realm of that.

Okay, so I'm not going to worry about that. I disagree with you, but I'm not going to argue with you about it.

So let's go over to this verse right here. Let's go to this verse, Colossians 2.14, talk about in verse 13. Colossians 2.13, having forgiven us all of our trends. Transgressions per automata again. having cancelled out the certificate of debt, Okay, that's the Greek word kerographon, handwriting.

Uh handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness.

So he canceled this syndett. At the cross. Did right, would you agree? He cancelled the sin dead at the cross? 100%.

Yeah. What's that? That was right. Mm-hmm. I couldn't hear you.

Maybe there's a glitch in the line or something. 100%. Oh, okay. Can you hear me now?

Okay, 100%. I agree.

Okay, so then If it's cancelled, it doesn't exist anymore, right? What doesn't exist anymore? The Sindhet. It's gone. It's canceled at the cross.

Well, 100%.

So it's not canceled when you believe, it's already canceled at the cross. No, bro. See, here's the thing. It only, what the text says is. especially To me on that belief.

Yes, I understand that. That's because God grants them faith. Look at Colossians. We're talking about the legality. Especially.

Yeah. I get what you're saying about the granting, but this isn't saying anything about granting. What it says is inspect. Yeah. To them that believe, which is making a differentiation between All being saved, and all that believe that are saved.

But you said You said that he's the Savior of all men. That means the people who are damned. But then it doesn't make any sense that you can't. Oh, I think that's it. That's what's written in the text because At the bottom of that, it's either at the bottom or the top of it, because I'm not looking at it right now.

It says these things Command and teach. Yes, I understand. But look, we're doing the logic thing here with the scriptures. Jesus canceled the sin dead at the cross, right? Right?

Counseled it, but it doesn't apply. unless the person believes No, that's wrong. That's wrong. No, you're preaching womanism. What's wrong, Matt?

Because I'll tell you how. It's not doing that. It's not cancelled when you believe, it's cancelled at the cross. Colossians two fourteen says so. That's what it says.

What happens when you believe is you're justified. Jesus canceled the sin that at the cross. If he canceled it for everybody, then everybody has to go to heaven because there's no sin. Yes. That's logical, but see, that's not the way God set it up.

That's not the way it's set up. The Bible says we have access into this grace. Through faith. That's what the text says in Romans: that we have access into this grace through faith. And the Bible says that if.

The Bible says Watch this. It says in Corinthians chapter 15: if there be no resurrection, We are yet in our seniors. It is the resurrection that is the differentiation point. Between Cool. salvation is applied to.

Salvation is for all. But the applicational salvation Only comes in those who believe in not only the death. and the burial, but also the resurrection. Only those who believe in God will be in the death. Burial and the resurrection.

Of course, of course. Because if you don't believe in the resurrection, Other people have already died. But none of them were from the dead. Yes. But the ones who believe are the ones granted belief.

Philippians 1.29 to you has been granted to believe. Why doesn't God grant that to everybody? Why doesn't God grant that to everyone? Here's what it's saying going in Philippines. It says on the behalf of Christ.

Why pay the price?

So that One a person could be believing. That's what it means. That's not what it says. That's not what it says. No, I'm going to just say this: you're doing violence to the word of God.

You're twisting God's Word. Oh, my God. You're twisting it. You're absolutely twisting it. What it says is, oh, yes, it is.

Yes, you are. It has been granted for Christ's sake. For to you it has been great. Hold on, let me read with God's word. Let's see what it actually says.

For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake not only to believe, but also to suffer. God grants that you believe. Not that you have the opportunity to believe. but that you believe. That's what it says.

What you're doing is, you talk about violence, what you're doing is You're creating. A sub a subset of sinners. No, I'm not. What does the text say? It says that the deity died for sinners.

Did Jesus die for sinners or just some of the sinners? Does the text say he died for some of the sinners or all of the sinners?

Well, hold on. Isn't that the wrong question? What does it say in Philippians? I'm trying to show you. God grants to people hearing.

What I'm saying is that what it says in Corinthians, or Philippians, is what it says in Philippians is that. in the behalf of Christ. I wrote a whole book on this. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I like you.

You're talking like you, man. Oh no, you don't understand it. No. No, I know who you are. We've had discussions before, and you're polite enough.

I know it. I know stuff in your life. I know it. I'm enjoying the conversation. Yeah.

And in the group of anti-Calvinists that misrepresent Calvinism quite frequently and regularly. I'm not an anti-Calvinist anymore.

Well, you guys say that I'm not Christian. I'll take you back. I remove my words. I apologize for judging you because. I That was my fault.

So I I I withdraw my statement of judging that slick. That group needs to repent of its false teaching and its division of the body of Christ. And the judgment of God is upon them when they hold on, when they condemn Calvinists and say Calvinists are not Christians, and then they condemn them and mock them and misrepresent and won't stand to be corrected by someone like myself who comes in and says, not what we teach. And they say, yes, it is. And then they block me so I can't speak.

So that's not how it works. That's how it has been. You know that. Because you've been in there.

So look. For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake to believe. It's been granted. It's the heir is passive indicative. It means God is the one who grants that you have that faith.

Here's the question: why doesn't God grant it to everyone? It has been granted to everyone. In You mean he's granted justifying faith? to everybody? No, I'm not a universalist.

What I'm saying is. But This text. And the other takes. says that God is the Savior of all men. especially them that believe.

Only the people. That belief Can be setting. If you don't believe, you can't be saved. That's right.

So what I'm saying, but what I'm saying Right.

Well, he granted it through Christ. Christ paid the price. God grants it. that we believe and That's right. And Jesus says it's the work of God that you believe.

And so, why doesn't God grant that belief to everybody? When you say granted, Let me let me let me get three seconds right. We got 30 seconds. I got a question for you. And you can call me Matt Marketing.

I must When you say granted, You mean God forced shit up on you? No, you don't understand. You don't understand.

Okay, so I'll give you an actual question. I can go through the aorist active indicative tomorrow with you. But here's a question. We only have 20 seconds left, okay? Or less than that.

Okay, all right. Does God know what to do to bring? Anybody to faith? The answer, of course, is yes. then why doesn't he bring everybody to faith?

That's the question. We'll talk tomorrow, okay?

Alright, brother. Take care, Maslik. We'll talk to you again.

Okay, because there's a music going, okay? We're out of time, buddy. All right, we'll talk to you later.

Okay. Have a good day. You two. And uh, there you go. He's polite enough, but not logical enough.

That's what happens when you have bad theology. Anyway. I hope you enjoyed it and for those who are waiting, my apologies, but I love talking like this. Anyway, call back tomorrow and hopefully we'll talk to you then. God bless everybody.

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