Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. And if you want, you can give me a call.

It's easy: 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. And you can also send me an email. That is easy.

Just send an email to info at carm.org. Info at CARM.org. Put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question.

Sometimes I just kind of go through them. And just kind of do a quick and slick answering. I like doing that, just kind of get your stuff going.

So, um So let's see, let's see. Gonna try and get to something here. Um So I've released some articles on the Carm homepage. on the carb site. And uh One of them And I want to remind people about this.

Because one of them is a priesthood table, and the other one deals with the existence of God using transcendentals. This may sound highfalutin and you don't need to know all this stuff, but let me say something. One of the jobs of the pastor, I'm an ex-pastor, but one of the jobs is to equip the body of Christ for the work of ministry, for the service that we have to do. And so what I try and do on the website is present sophisticated arguments occasionally that can be understood by the average Joe.

Well and Jane. And so those articles are there, but the priesthood table is something that I think is very useful. You can go to carm.org and just type in priesthood table. Why is it important? Because if you're talking to a Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox person, And you want something that will really demonstrate.

that their their church has some problems. Because you want to present the true gospel. They have a priesthood in both of those churches. The priesthood is supposed to be tied through ancient pedigree down to the first apostles, and then they offer priestly work in their churches on a regular basis with guys who are specially ordained with special garments at an altar that they offer sacrifices at. This is all Old Testament, and that's the point: it's Old Testament.

Old Testament uh theology Dragged from the Old Testament, put into the New Testament as though that's the New Testament teaching, and it is not. This demonstrates that they have a false priesthood. Why is that so important? because their church authority is tied to their priesthood.

So this is an easy way. For you to demonstrate that a priesthood that they have is just simply not biblical.

So what they'll do generally when I've I've used this is they'll say that, well, we don't go with just scripture, we go with tradition. And uh And that's what they do. They just say it's tradition. And I say, well, how do you know the tradition's right?

Well, because our church says so. and things like that. And what I just I just say, look, Obviously, the place of the priesthood that you're talking about is in the Old Testament, Levitical priesthood. But it's that's abrogated. It's no longer necessary.

Because we have the priesthood of all believers in 1 Peter 2. two, five and seven, and also uh the priesthood of Christ. who is the the high priest after the order of Melchizedek. And I'll go in and add some more of that into that article because I want people to be well equipped with some counter-arguments and things like that. But that priesthood table is there, and I've shown it to people.

And so far the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox cannot deal with it. Except to just either dismiss it or say their church says so, and that's why it's true, or their tradition says so, and that's why it's true. And both of those just don't carry any water.

So that's one thing I've offered for you out there to be. Um not entertained. But to be equipped, I want to equip Christians for the work of ministry, for the service, the work of service, Ephesians 4:12. And that's another thing, I'm going to be working on an article. On that, I actually am working an article about halfway through on what does it mean For the pastor, the elder, etc., to equip the Christian body for the work of service.

Arian Diocanai and things like that. Work of service, uh work of ministry. What does it mean? I'm going to do an article doing that. And I'm also working on an article which uh caught my interest, this concept caught my interest about the apostasy, the coming apostasy.

I've been talking about this on the radio here the past few days, the idea of apostasy. And how churches just aren't stepping up and doing what they got to do across the board. The whole of the Christian community across the board in America is not doing its job. There are individual churches and pastors who are doing very good well. They are defending the Christian faith and they're equipping their people.

They're out there, absolutely.

However, a lot of churches are not. And what kind of uh Triggered this little tirade of mine this week was when I went to a local church, a very large church. And three services and all this stuff, and the sermon was just mamby-pamby and wasn't Christocentric, and it was moralistic, and it was just not deep. Uh, not that you had to have deep stuff all the time, but there was no depth to it, it was shallow. And uh I was just uh just dismayed at the the lack of of substance.

That seemed to be there. There were some good points, but the point I try to make is that that sermon could have been preached unchanged in a Mormon church and they would have accepted it. That's a problem. And so the idea of the Christian church not really being equipped is there. I've done seminars where I've asked questions.

How many believe in the Trinity? How many believe in the deity of Christ? Why was he baptized? Is he a man right now? Can you lose your salvation?

What's justification? Various things. And I've found out that they basically, Christians just overall just don't know their stuff. And it's pretty dismal. And so, you know, one of the things I try and do on the Carm website is to produce information for you to just go check things out.

so that you can be equipped. That's what the site's for, to equip Christians and to reach the lost.

So we have three things saying. To glorify God, equip the Christians, reach the lost. That's the purpose of karma. Glorify God. By recognizing his truth and proclaiming his truth, to equip the Christians so that they can understand what the scriptures are actually teaching.

And then, last, is to reach the lost. The primary goal is not to reach the loss, it's to equip the Christians and to bring glory to God. That is above the issue of reaching the lost because you guys out there are the ones who are supposed to be doing that.

Now, you know, I spent two hours last night on Clubhouse. Defending the Trinity and politely, until this one obstreperous guy got in and claimed victory and said, I couldn't understand. It's just ridiculous. He he ruined our conversations. But um I I was in there for two hours defending the Christian Trinity and showing problems with Unitarianism, oneness theology and things like this.

And uh they want me back. Uh and and they're they're oneness people. They want me back because it was a polite conversation. For the most part, how that one jerk got in there. And so, what I want to do is be able to equip Christians for stuff like that.

When they come to your door, what do you say? Do you say to the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, please come inside, let's talk? Or do you say, No, thank you, I know you're not true, go to my neighbor and preach your false doctrines there. What do you do?

So, are the Christian churches presenting the truth? Are the Christian churches providing opportunities to learn things like what is the basics of the Christian faith? And then have levels of advanced theology that can go on for people who are interested in that. And then to apply what they've learned, witnessing to Mormons, witnessing to Jehovah's Witnesses, witnessing to the Roman Catholics, to the Eastern Orthodox, to the Muslims. This is the equipping of the Christians.

And what I think should be done is a series should be presented at a church where you attend and you have pages that you continually add into your notebook full of information so that you can have a smattering, an entry-level bit of information to be able to know how to handle a lot of stuff. And This kind of thing can be put in electronic format so you can have it on your phone. You can go onto the Carm website and you can have answers. And you can, you know, in a classroom study where you can learn stuff because the Christians are supposed to be other-centered, not self-centered. Not, hey, I gotta get up and have a cup of coffee at the house and get the air conditioning in the car and drive to church for comfortable this and that, nice worship music, and then go out and uh and eat at a restaurant and then go home and watch a game or whatever it is.

You know, uh and then that's your Christianity. Or maybe you might mention Jesus to somebody once a month at work. You know, this kind of a thing. No, no, no, it's insufficient. We're called to pick up the cross daily and follow after Christ.

And if you don't do it on a daily basis, you're not worthy of Him. Luke, I think it's 9:23, 9:28. And so this is what Jesus calls us to do.

So are the Christians doing it across the board?

Well, the answer is no. And part of the ramifications of this will be the coming apostasy. Out of Ephesians chapter 2, which all this stuff is kind of interconnected with me, and the arrival of the Antichrist is coming.

So when? I don't know. Is it tomorrow or next year or next decade or next century or next millimeter? I don't know. That's up for God to decide.

But. It does say that there's going to be a falling away, an apostasy. And what that means is the Christian church as a whole is going to fall away and go apostate.

So writing an article on what does that mean? What might it mean?

So, getting through and doing that kind of stuff, and there you go. And that's why the Carm.org website exists, C-A-R-M.org. It's to equip you. To give you information that you need, it's easy to read, most of it is, okay, because sometimes you got to get, I got to get in there and write some pretty sophisticated stuff.

Sometimes, But 98% of everything is just, you know, you're just tired.

Well, can I read this and get the answer? There it is. That's what it's for. That's how it's designed. And please check it out: Carm.org.

Okay, let's get to, let's see, the longest waiting is Mike from Ohio. Mike, welcome. You're on the air.

Well, thank you for taking my call, sir. I have a quick question.

Well, I'll go with this one first. Uh what is your go-to verse? You you When you're kind of filling down or when you're Or what do you live by? Or what do you love? What verse the it resonates with you You don't have one?

No. No, it's a my go-to is my knowledge and experience of the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the one I go to.

Some people like verses. I'm just different, and it doesn't do it for me. I mean, I like. Oh I just spending time with him. Praying.

Yeah. Yeah. I always lean back onto Proverbs 3, 5, and 6. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I always always try to lean on that one.

You know, I'm in construction, I'm a daily guy, I meet people. And I, you know, I, you know, trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding and all your ways. Acknowledge Him, and He'll make your path straight. Um My my question is as well.

There are so many Different versions of the Bible. I mean, my mom likes the living back in the day. There's a new American standard. I mean, I looked on the Bible app and there's 57 of them, maybe, maybe even 70 of them. I don't know.

Yeah, great. Which ones do you like, sir? I like the New American Standard 1995 version. I kind of grew up with it. uh since the eighties And I've just never looked back.

I like it. And though there are more modern translations, it's it's fine. There's a 2020 version as well. But um You like her 95? Yeah, that's just me, Andy.

Yeah. But I can tell you why there's so many versions if you're interested. It's a few. Yes, I am some.

So the example I use is a Spanish phrase, I'm hungry, which is in Spanish yo tendo hambre.

Now what it literally, the literal translation is yo tengo, which is I, I have. Ambre hunger.

So what it's literally saying is I have hungry. Hunger, excuse me. That's a literal translation.

So, if we were to have a literal translation of I am hungry. We get it. And we got a break coming up. And what we'll do, I'll play off of this, and then I'll play with it a little bit and show you what translations do. Can I listen to you off here?

You can if you want, sure. Up to you.

Okay. All right, thank you. All right. Bye-bye. Thank folks.

We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. We'll talk to Jermaine after. We talk about this Bible version stuff. Be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877207.

All right, so to continue on with the previous caller's question. As I use the example, Yo tengo hambre, in Spanish, I have hunger, that's the literal translation.

So an NASB, for example, wouldn't translate it if that were You know, just using this as an example, Spanish to English. It would say something like, I have hunger. That'd be a more literal translation, not I, I have hunger, but I have hunger.

Now the NIV might say something like, I'm hungry. And a paraphrase might say, I'm starving. And so all of those are Or sufficient and accurate for the intention of what's going on. The thing about the Greek language is that. It's a little complicated.

It's an understatement. And um You can say things The way we can't do it in Greek. I mean, in English, excuse me.

So, uh, Ha-agathos, anthropos, for example, in Greek. Ha is the word the, agathos is the word good, and anthropos is the word man.

So literally, it would be the good man. Ha, agathos, anthropos. The endings match in Greek. Those endings are what we call. in in declension we call it um masculine nominative.

And so that would be to masculine form. Agathos is masculine, nominative, and singular. And so is Anthropos, masculine, nominative, singular. Nominative means a subject.

Now, the reason I'm saying this, I'm not trying to confuse you, is that in Greek you can actually say the good man. But you can also say the good without the word man being there, implying it's a man, because the ending of the word good has gender and number. Included in the word.

So agathos is masculine, nominative, singular. in the Greek. You learn all this when you're learning Greek, which means it's masculine. It's a subject. The subject.

Man. The good man, the good, but then the word man is not there.

So, in a translation, they might have the good with the word man. In Uh italics. Implying that it's not literally there, but that's what the Greek carries.

Now if we want to say the good men, it'd be ha agathoi, anthropoi. And so that is masculine plural nominative. And so I won't get too deep into this, okay? All it's saying is. is that the Greek language is really interesting.

that nouns carry number, which is singular and plural. It carries gender, masculine, feminine, Yeah. And it carries cash. Pace. nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative.

Nominative is the subject genitive social possession, like that is the dog of that man. And so the dog of, it's a genitive.

Okay, that says, I'm sorry for hurting your heads. And so the point is that Greek is a powerful language, and you can translate things very literally. or meaningfully. or paraphrased depending on what your the intention of that translation is. And so you can have some long sentences in Greek, and because this kind of thing happens, you can get some very precise translations.

Literally, but you can also get some very precise translations in the overall meaning.

So a literal translation of yotengo wadre is I have hunger, but it's like saying I'm hungry. And an NIV might just say, I'm hungry, that's all it is. And so an ESV or an NESB might say, I have. hunger.

So that's all that's going on. And um That's why there's different translations, because they address the issue of translation differently. And one last thing before I get on to the caller, Jermaine. I remember a really interesting situation in seminary where we had a translator come in and talked about one of the instances of a translation problem they had with a particular tribe in a jungle setting. And they were They weren't uh you know They had modern accoutrements.

They had modern mirrors and pans and swords, or daggers, I should say, knives. They were in contact with a lot of modernity and had been. Modernized to some degree. And they didn't have a written language, and they were translating the language. And it came to the place where it said, where Jesus says, build your house on the rock, not on the sand.

Because you don't want it to be immovable. You want it to be immovable, excuse me. And in that culture at that time, If you built a house on a rock, it would be swept away during the flood season because the rocks were flat. And so you couldn't anchor anything into a rock. But the way they would anchor their homes was to take bamboo poles and or wood poles, I'm not sure which, and they would drive them down into the sand, you know, 10 feet.

and then they would build their houses on that firm foundation of the sand.

Well, what do you do when you're translating? Do you translate literally? Which would confuse them, or do you translate dynamically, which would then get the meaning? And so they decided to translate dynamically and say, Build your house on the foundation of the s strong sand. Because that's the only way that culture would understand what it meant.

And he said, what they did was they put a note explaining the cultural difference, a paragraph that explained everything, so that the reader. In that language, we understand. Oh, the original says this, but we get the concept. This is part of the issues of dynamic translation we just lost, Jermaine.

So uh Sorry about that, Jermaine. I know he'll probably call back later. Wow.

So anyway, all that information, do you see? He was gonna ask about the Council of Trent. And we could talk to the Council of Trent. We could talk about all kinds of stuff. I have nobody waiting right now.

If you Want to give me a call? It's easy. 877-20722. Seven six a lot of information.

Now, I want to ask you, uh, uh, listeners, uh, for something. Uh, and that is your support.

So Let me tell you what's happening. in the internet world. The Arrival of AI where you just go to ChatGPT or Perplexity or Grok. and you or Gemini and you ask a question. It's here.

And these things are very useful, very powerful. And More and more people are simply going to like Chat GPT. Just asking, for example, what's the Trinity? They don't need to go to carm anymore. and say what's a Trinity, they'll go to Chat GPT.

And for the most part, it does very well. Seriously, it really does. I've I've tested it out.

So this means, not only my sight, but other sights, are being scraped By AI. Scraping is the term used when they go through, they glean the entire site. They take all the information in the entire site. They put it in its own data bank. And then when a question is asked, Carm is accessed.

Other websites will be accessed. I'll talk about the Trinity. It will then read the contextual analysis of the word Trinity in various things and then formulate an answer.

So That could be good. And it cannot be good. But for the most part it does pretty well.

So, why is this an issue? Because it means people aren't going to be going to karm as much, which means not as much support.

Now we've got the break coming up. Let's continue talking about this a little bit. and explain what's going on and what we're going to do to mitigate that. problem. And also to try and let you know we do need that support.

Be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call... You can 8772072276. A lot of stuff's been happening in the past couple of minutes, and so I actually forgot what I was talking about before the break. I know it was on a roll, so maybe someone could type it in. You were talking about this.

Because uh we're talking about chat GPT and somebody told me there's a uh a case where um Uh someone Ended his own life based on something out of ChatGPT. And so I asked for that article. It kind of threw me there for a little bit, so I wanted to. Check it out. But at any rate, um so there we go.

Yeah, what was I talking about? I can't remember. You know that happens when you get older. Mm, it's alright.

So, thanks for that link, Laura. Appreciate it. Got it. We got a caller coming in. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276.

And you can also email me at info at carm.org info at C-A-R-M.org.

Now remember what I was talking about was web scraping, what the AIs do. And so what this means is that people will frequent the Christian websites less and less.

Well, long story short, um In order for us to stay afloat and pay the missionaries, etc., who were doing this work, the same kind of work of equipping in other countries. We need that support, and I just want to let you know that please consider supporting us. We do need it, and I'm going to be putting a newsletter out about that. And if you'd be so kind as to support us at $10 a month, all you got to do is go to carm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G forward slash donate. Everything you need is right there.

And we also need this to help finish the the new website. That is there. We've begun testing the early version. The beta ver alpha version, I think it is. And um Adding articles to it, and then it'll be wiped out, and then they can do a new import from the live site.

But it's up and running in a secure location. And a few of us are being able to go in there and check it out. And man, is it fast. It is so good. It's going to have so many good features to it that we we have a very talented programmer who has um literally learned Stuff as it's released.

AI is going so fast that he'll say this new feature came out in AI with this whatever, and he learned it. Uh, and so then he's implementing it. He goes, This is this is only three weeks old that they can do this now, you know. And he goes, Now it's in Carm, the new Carm site.

So, uh, There you go. We're going to be presenting a lot of information, and the technology will be there before. What happened to the callers? We just had two callers coming in, and it just went blank. Interesting.

So, uh Both of them did. I wonder if there's a problem. No, maybe that's interesting. Could be a coincidence.

So at any rate, the thing is that in order for us to stay afloat, we do and have the radio stay on the air. We need your support. Simple.

Okay, simple. Just go to carm.org forward slash donate. Ten dollars a month is what we ask. We're trying to get a thousand people. And obviously, there'd be ten thousand dollars a month and um That's what we need.

In order to keep the lights on, have the website there, pay the developers, pay the missionaries. My salary. You know, otherwise I gotta get a job. Yeah. Even at my age of 68, I'll take another job if you know, and I'm not complaining, you know, it's just what it is.

I could be a security guard someplace and then s maybe I can uh witness uh on my job. without getting too much trouble.

So anyway, this kind of stuff. All right, there you go. Um yeah, I'm gonna do now just get to some of the collars. And uh No, not callers.

Sorry, callers.

Some of the emails, some of the emails. I got some emails here. I'm just going to go through them. Let's see, get into this one right here. Ah, let's go to this one here.

Let's see. Oh, this is a long one. uh lives in Oklahoma. There are many oneness Pentecostals out there. Ooh, interesting.

There are a couple of things on the website which were incorrect, at least concerning the one that's Pentecostals, which I personally know. For one, I was. It was stated in the website, I guess it's Carm, that men dress up with their ties. This is not true. Uh The ones that I've seen, they generally would, but I know that things are are changing.

These articles were written many years ago. The men do wear dress shirts and slacks, but never ties. Interesting.

They do not wear jewelry.

Okay, they only wear long sleeves. No makeup. Ones who are truly saved. All right, just little things like that. The men are all Yeah, this is a great comment.

The men all port part their hair on a dorky side. In a dorky Side. Yeah. That's awesome. That is so good.

The men all part their hair in a dorky side part. That cracks me up. I love stuff like that.

Sorry folks, but it's... It's awesome. You know, my I I can't help it. Dorky's side part. You guys watching uh I'm sorry, but.

I was watching some videos last night. uh late with my wife uh YouTube videos and I typed in I typed in those stretch bands at the gym, you know, you use for stretching and doing workouts where they snap on people. Holy Yeah. Man, I was laughing. Because some of them are so funny.

The reactions.

Okay, sorry about that. I gotta get myself back under control, getting the spiritual stuff.

So, anyway, he goes on. He goes, Most of them are good people, although they shun others generally, unless they think they can get you into a revival tent. Yeah, that's true. and they're poor tippers at restaurants.

So But there you go. That's okay, you know. I appreciate that. All right, all right, all right. Let me get back on uh Get back all of them callers.

Oscar from New York, welcome, you're on the air. Yes, sir. I have a question. Yeah. If only you see it.

If God made his spirit, can God destroy the spirit? In other words, why would the devil, the unsaved people, and the And those were not saved. Why they We will spend eternity in conscious torment.

Okay, so it's several questions.

So, can God destroy a spirit that doesn't exist? Yes, He can. He's already created it, and its existence is dependent on God. work.

So, yeah, he can do that. But why doesn't he do that then instead of an eternal conscious torment, right? Is that right? No, i enough with Ma I was listening to a pastor and he said that Be honest. Wouldn't spend eternity in hell, you know, with eternal torment.

And I found it uh I find it a terrible Horrible doctrine. I mean, if God made his spirit, well, God can destroy his spirit. Why wouldn't God? Put people in eternity, you know, eternal conscious torment. Why would God do that?

because that's what the right thing to do is. Yeah. Whatever God does is always right.

So if God is going to put If God's going to put people in eternal torment, it's the right thing to do. See, our offences are against the infinitely holy God. And so, when we sin against Him, the only way to be forgiven of that is if He Himself. takes our place uh in judgment. and he did that in the cross.

And so then we can have an eternal life with Christ.

Now, what about those who rejected Christ?

Well, if God were to annihilate them, there's a problem. In the Bible punishment is always experienced. always experienced.

So If I were to punish my my daughter, for example You know, when she was young, I'd say, go to your room and you can't come out for an hour, no TV, whatever. She has to experience that punishment for a period of time.

Alright.

Well, if people are annihilated, then there's no punishment. Because they don't experience it. But people will say, Oh no, the punishment is the annihilation.

Well, it doesn't make any sense. That's saying punishment is actually nothingness, which is no punishment. Because to be not exist is to not have any punishment. There is no punishment if you're not existing.

Okay, it's not there.

So they're saying punishment is actually the realization of not punishment. They don't realize the ill logic that they're offering, and they don't understand the biblical model that punishment is experienced. And since the sins are against God, it's infinite, then the. the consequences and infinite punishment.

Okay. All right. Yeah, okay. Thank you very much.

Okay, my You're welcome. God bless. All right, so along those lines, I might as well just use it as a segue to get into soul sleep and some other things related to annihilationism. Because, oh, we got a break coming up, so I'll do that afterwards, but I'll start it now. A lot of annihilationists is gaining popularity, unfortunately.

People don't like the idea of eternal conscious torment, E-C-T. They say that it's more loving for God to uh annihilate them.

Well, what they're doing is they're subjecting God to their personal preferences and saying, This is what God will be, because I decided, because that's too terrible, that's too bad. And so therefore God will do what I think is right. And so they uphold annihilationism. And um Some other things.

So there's a break and what I'm going to do is when I get back I'll talk about soul sleep. as it relates to annihilationism. and why it's problematic.

Alright, please stay tuned. And if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. I plan tonight to be on. TikTok opening a live room at uh nine p.m. ish.

Um Eastern time, and you can just go there and look for Matt Slick on TikTok. And what happens is people come in, and then we just have conversations one at a time. I like dog piling.

So that's just an FYI, and also let's get back into the issue of annihilationism and soul sleep.

Soul sleep is the teaching that. When a person dies, his soul goes to sleep.

So there's no consciousness. And then, in some views of this attached with annihilationism, such a person is then revived, as consciousness is judged. and then is annihilated. Where the soul that's asleep is awakened and then judged to damnation. There's others who hold the soul asleep for salvation, where the soul goes into a state of dormancy.

There's no really activity, there's nothing. And then they're revived, where God revives them for judgment, and then they go to heaven.

So there's different views, different churches that hold these different views and things like this. What's the problem with this? Here's one of the things I say to people. is um is uh Put Jesus there. And see.

So if Jesus, when he died on the cross, When he died on the cross, if his physical human nature went to sleep. Then I asked people Were the attributes of his humanity being ascribed to his personhood during that time? Because if the answer is no then he's not Jesus. If the answer is yes, it is not soul sleep. Because the attribution of self-awareness and awareness of others.

and omniscience are part and parcel to the nature of of uh of God. But in in humanity, self-awareness, cognition, these are are necessary elements of humanity and these have to be conveyed or communicated to the single person of Christ. And soul sleep would wreck that. And thereby deny the reality of Christ's continued existence. It would be a continuity issue.

This is a serious thing. It's a serious thing.

So, uh, I've raised that argument with a lot of people and uh Then they say I'm stupid. And then they go away.

So I'm not usually convinced by that kind of argument.

So here's something else that happened interestingly last night. Since I got no callers, I'll just continue to kind of ramble and teach at the same time.

So last night I was having, as I told you, I was having this discussion with oneness people, and one of the ways to refute them. There's one there's many ways, but one of the ways is to go to John 6, 37 through 40. And John 6:37 through 40, and talk with the person of Christ.

Now, I did this last night to a guy. And I'm going to tell you how it went. was very interesting. Because in oneness theology, Jesus is the Father. He's not separate from the Father, He is the Father.

But In Luke 22:42, when Jesus says, Not my will, but your will be done. speaking to the father, it's actually the physical Talking to the spiritual.

Okay, that's what it is.

So that's called Nestorianism. And I'll get into that.

So I went to John 6:37 and I said, let me ask you questions here. I said to this guy, finally, he's arrogant. But I said, can you tell me which nature is speaking? All the John 6:27, all that the Father gives me.

So the Father. Who's that? That's Jesus in the preexistence, that's the spirit? He goes, yes. Gives me, who's that?

That's the flesh nature speaking.

So, who's speaking here? All that the Father gives me, as the human nature speaking, will come to me. That the divine nature speaking or the human nature, will it come to me? Who's the me? Is it the human nature or is it the divine nature?

And that that's speaking.

Okay, and he went back and forth. And I said, the one who comes to me, that's the human nature or the divine nature. He goes, that's the divine.

Now I will certainly will not cast out. That's a divine I. For I have come down from heaven. That's the divine, that's the spirit, right? It says, yes, not to do my own will.

Well, that's the flesh will.

Now it's the flesh speaking.

So literally, it's like this. I have come down from heaven, that's the spirit speaking, and then it switches to the flesh speaking, not to do my own will.

Okay, and then but to the will of him Who sent me? The will of him that's still the who sent me, that's the flesh speaking.

So this is the will of him who sent me. That's the flesh. Speaking, the human nature speaking, that of all that he's given me.

Now who's that? Because if you is it the divine that gave to the divine, or is it the divine giving to the human nature? He says, I will raise it up.

Well, who's that? Who's going to do the resurrection? Is it the human nature, the divine nature? And you can see how this becomes very problematic when we start looking at this, saying, well, which one is speaking? Which nature is speaking?

Now why is this so problematic?

Well, for one, it's ludicrous. What you have is alternating persons speaking.

Now, when I said this to a guy, this guy last night, he said, No, it's not persons, it's one person. Jesus is one person with two natures. And I said, You can understand something. When We define personhood, we define personhood by the ability of, we recognize the characteristics of personhood, saying you and yours and me and mine. having a will can think and speak.

So, what you're doing is you're saying that there are two persons. He goes, No, there's this one person. I said, You're not listening to me. You can say there's one person who Jesus is, but what you have is each one of these natures behaving as a person because they alternate speaking and talking about themselves. By definition, that's two persons.

And this guy said, no, it's not, it's just one person. And he couldn't get it because his mind is warped by the foolishness of one who's Pentecostalism. Then I asked this question I said, which nature died on the cross? And he said, well, the human nature. And I said, then, how is the sacrifice of divine value?

A two-minute sermon was thrown at me. And then I said, You're not answering my question. And he said, Yes, I did. And he said, You know it, and you're so afraid you can't answer. He was just a jerk.

And so I said, look. If only the human nature died, how is the sacrifice of divine value? And his answer finally was: because the Father was in him. And my response is: well, did the Father die? Yeah.

But you see If you have two persons And one died, it's not the other, the divine nature that died. This is why Nestorianism is so heretical. That's why it's so bad. And I had to tell this guy, I had to say, you don't even know enough to know you don't know enough. He didn't like that, but it was true.

He didn't understand the basics of logic. And what I've discovered with discussing this kind of thing with the cult of oneness Pentecostal. is that um is that they can't think uh critically. And that's because their minds are warped by this. And at one point, he was so interrupted that I went, oh man.

And somebody jumped in and goes, Did Matt just growl like a demon? Oh my god man, they are so So brainwashed. into their into their lameness that uh It's like, oh my goodness.

Okay. Let's get to Kyle from North Carolina. Kyle, welcome. You're on the air.

Emo, how are you? Oh, doing okay. Just uh Rambling, talking. annoying people, I'm sure. Just teaching 'em.

All right. So what do you got? I had a question about First Peter two eight. 1 Peter 2:8. A stone of stumbling, a rock of offense, because to this doom they were appointed.

Yes? Uh Did uh did God appoint them to disobey them? No, it doesn't say That he appointed them to disobey. They stumble because they are disobedient to the word and to this doom. The doom of their disobedience, the doom that results from their disobedience, they were appointed.

God does not force anybody to sin. All right. Okay. So they I'm just looking at the ESV. They were destined to do, so they were destined to disobey Am I reading that right?

The ESV, let me go over to the ESV and take a look. 1 Peter 2:8. And uh The ESV, the stone of stumbling, the rock of offense, they stumble because they disobey the word. And to this To and they were destined. Oh, interesting.

As they were destined to do. Wow.

Here, let me look at the Greek.

Okay. Disobedient to the word because they were disobedient to the word They were. Yeah. Participial present. They were Okay.

Present, active. They were the ones being disobedient.

Okay, so they were the ones being disobedient to the word. in a continuous action because that's a pr uh participle. Uh and to this doom Uh They were Also appointed Um They were Airs passive indicative. Pass tense, receiving the action.

So. All right. So, what I'm seeing is they are disobedient and to this doom. They were. appointed.

The tense changes in the Greek.

So it goes from present to to aorist. And With a present, present tense, obviously, aorist means past tense. There's different forms of past tense. There's perfect, pluperfect, aorist, uh and stuff.

So in Greek. They were disobedient to the word. Or they are present tense, and to this doom they were appointed.

So I don't think the ESV did it properly. I don't think the ESV translated it properly. The King James says, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient whereunto they were appointed. Uh the R S V A rock that will make them fall. Ooh, interesting.

A rocket will make them fall. Yeah, what does that mean though?

Okay, uh they for they stumble because they Disobey the word, and they were destined to do so. Interesting.

Okay. So let's work with this from two ways, okay? They were destined to be disobedient. If that's the case, and there's there's transl I haven't gotten work translations. Uh to which they were also consigned.

L-E-B-E-L-E-D. Uh CSB, this would be the word they were also destined for this. Ooh, this is really interesting. You really got me thinking about this.

Okay. Oh, I've been thinking about this first for a while.

Okay. So we only have a little bit of time. You're going to have to call back tomorrow, and we're going to work on this, but let me just say this. God creates everything or makes everything, even the wicked, for the day of evil, Proverbs 16:4. In Romans 9, 22 and 23, there are those who who were made for the purpose of destruction.

So there is this case we can make that in the Bible certain people were doomed and appointed to this damnation.

Now, why is that? And in what sense can we understand that? Because we know that some are appointed to eternal life. Acts 13:48, as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

So they believe because they're appointed to that. And to this doom of the disobedience and the consequence, they were appointed to do that.

Well, we can say that this is the case by what's called the Others called the um Ultimate, proximate, and efficient causation.

Now, I'm not trying to snow you with all this stuff, but we're out of time. I don't have time to get into it. Call back tomorrow, and we'll go through these things, and I'll explain stuff. Because the answer lies in that kind of thing. culpability of causation.

Okay? We just have to do it that way.

So back to the next one. Yeah. You're welcome very much.

Alright but God bless. That was really a good question and when I looked at the Greek, I'm like, ooh, interesting.

So now I'm going to do some more study. And hopefully, you'll be back tomorrow. May the Lord bless you, and by his grace, you'll be back on the air tomorrow. I'll not be on this coming Monday. Holiday?

And I will be on Wardwelling tomorrow night. May the Lord bless you. And look for me on TikTok tonight around 9 a.m. Eastern Time. God bless.

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