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So, Let's see. I think I'm going to get on TikTok tonight and do some... Teaching and I do a QA time and I I did that a few few uh a few nights ago, uh and I was on TikTok and the the uh let's just say the The atheists came in there and they were really trying to be upri. And uh They didn't do too well. You know, when you really pin them, you really ask difficult questions.

It's really interesting the antagonism that I've encountered with atheists about the gospel, about whatever it is. They always want to undermine the Christian faith. They hate it. They do.

Well, they still need Jesus. Just pray for them. All right.

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Alright, question. How credible is the Orthodox Christian Church? Are their traditions and teachings really directly passed on to the early church? How credible is the Orthodox Church called East Orthodox Church? It's not credible at all, it's not a Christian church.

And the reason it's not a Christian church is because it teaches the false gospel, has a false priesthood, and presents idolatry and promotes idolatry.

Now Just so you know, I'm not saying this because I was wronged by some Eastern Orthodox person. It's not it. It's that the Eastern Orthodox Church does teach a false gospel. It teaches what's called theosis, which is the process that a person undergoes. Through a long period of time, through many years, to become more like Jesus, and in that process, that's where you obtain your salvation.

And I've got quotes from varying sources, from Eastern Orthodox sources, that clearly teach that salvation is by faith and your good works. And that's just simply a false gospel. It is clearly a false gospel. Also they have a false priesthood. And I'm working on a little document.

I've already released some documents about that, about the false priesthood issue. Maybe I can find something here and go over this. Priesthood, I think it's Priesthood Table, is what I was developing. Haven't finished it yet. Um Because here's the thing to think about in the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church.

I'm going to say something very simply, boiling it down to what the truth really is. Those churches are false. Because they preach a false gospel, a false priesthood, and promote idolatry.

Alright, now. What I'm going to do is focus on this issue of the priesthood because I've been hammering the EO and the RC on this, Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics, EO and RC, been hammering them on it. I want to have these discussions with them. and their answers uh are not very good.

Now here's the issue. I propose to say that the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church's priesthood. Is actually modeled after the Old Testament Levitical priesthood, not any New Testament pattern.

So we have in the Old Testament priests were divinely appointed from the tribe of Levi in Numbers 3.10, but in their churches The priests are ordained by the descendency of the bishops. who they claim come from the original.

So they're appointed from a instead of a tribe, they're appointed by a descendancy and this authority. The priests act as mediators. between God and people because what they're doing is offering sacrifices. and the sacrifice of the Eucharistic Mass or don't say the Eucharist or cover both of them. And this is out of Leviticus 16, verses 15 through 17, priests mediated between God and the people.

Both the EO and the RC offer the Eucharist, which is sacrifice. It's the sacrifice of Christ. It becomes the body and blood, and it actually is propitiatory, helps remove sin. This is sacrificial work. And so this is out of Leviticus 4 and Leviticus 16 in the Old Testament.

None of this is found in the New Testament. None of these roles, these abilities, these things are found in the New Testament economy. New Testament covenant. It's just not there.

So they have an altar.

Okay, both the Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox Church has they have an altar.

Now the altar is something that is out of the Old Testament. The altar, you know, I've been to the Catholic Church and I remember seeing very clearly, just seeing this table, and they have all these elements up there, and it's considered an altar. And the same thing goes with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Well, the altar is found in Exodus 27 and Leviticus chapters 1 through 7. The priests wear liturgical garments, and these special garments are required. Exodus 28, Leviticus 8. And the the priests in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church wear these special garments. And they're altar work of offering sacrifice.

And they have they're anointed for consecration, they're anointed for the office. This anointing by the laying on of hands, chrismation, all this kind of stuff that they do in different groups, but their anointing of the priest configures them and makes them the The proper representations of the true priesthood of Christ on earth, and they had to be anointed for this.

So they have uh the sacred uh duty of teaching. And the priest instructed Israel in God's law, Leviticus chapter 10, Deuteronomy 33. And this is what is done in the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic churches. They uh It's supposed to be an exclusive male office, and that is out of Numbers chapter 3, Exodus 28. And both.

In the RC, in the EO, it's exclusively male office. They have what's called a continual succession. Priesthood continues through the generations, Exodus 29, verse 25, and apostolic succession through the, so to speak, laying on of hands by the authority of their church that descended from Jesus and the apostles. That's what they say. All right, now.

So these are simply things found in the Old Testament, not found in the New Testament. And what I've been asking the Catholics and their Eastern Orthodox is that hey, show me these things in the New Testament. Just show 'em to me. And the answers I've gotten twice. Is that we don't limit ourselves to the New Testament.

We we believe in tradition. And I say, so what you're saying is that it's not found in the New Testament. Is that what you're saying? As not found in the New Testament, the New Testament books were given to instruct the Christians. It's a history, but the epistles were to instruct the Christians on what they'd be doing in church and out of church.

And they don't have any of this in there. In fact, the priesthood that they do have in the old, excuse me, in the New Testament economy, is by Peter, who, interestingly enough, they both claim as the one who has the keys of heaven, and that Jesus was building his church basically on Peter. That's what they both say. And so they kind of say this, both of them this way. And so the authority comes from Peter, passed out to the apostles, down through centuries, etc.

And yet. Peter himself says that the priesthood is of all believers. 1 Peter 2, I think it's 5 and 9. Was it 7 and 9? I think it's 5 and 9.

And so the priesthood there is spoken of by him, and the other priesthood that's spoken of in the New Testament covenant. is the priesthood of Christ. And what's interesting is I'm going to go to Hebrews 8. I'm going to read something here. And this is interesting to me.

I'm going to go to Hebrews 8, starting at verse 1, just a little bit of a study here.

Now the main point in what has been said is this. We each or excuse me, we have such a high priest who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of majesty in the heavens. a minister in the sanctuary and in the tab true tabernacle which the Lord pitched. not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, so it is necessary that this high priest.

Also, have something to offer.

Now, if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all. Since there are those who offer the gifts according to the law, that's exactly what these guys are doing. The Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic priests are offering according to the law. a continued sacrifice On an altar that cleanses sin by specially ordained individuals who have special authority and wear priestly garments. This is Old Testament Levitical law.

And so when I asked these guys, I said, So can you show me this in the New Testament? And they said, no, we don't believe just in the restrictions of the New Testament truth. And I said, So then, where is this found?

Well, it's found in the Old Testament. What you're talking about is found in the Bible in Levitical law. But Levitical law is done away with. Why are you still doing it? They couldn't answer that question.

Now this demonstrates unequivocally That the priesthood of both the Roman Catholic and East Orthodox churches are false priesthoods. Why does that make them false? because their authority as churches Says that their priesthood is true and a necessary part of their liturgical, ecclesiastical structures and practices. That is a necessary and fundamental part of their true churches. Yet those very things aren't even biblical and are not even found in the New Testament economy.

They're found in the Old Testament covenant. That's it. which has been abrogated and we no longer have to do that kind of a thing.

So, this proves, this is proof, ladies and gentlemen, that the Roman Catholic and East Orthodox churches are simply false. It's proof.

Now you gotta understand proof is different than persuasion. Proof is different than persuasion. Just because they can prove it doesn't mean they're going to believe it, doesn't mean anybody's going to believe it. I can prove something to my children. uh my friends, uh they may not accept it.

And maybe it might work the same way. It showed proof to me. We do have our reasons for rejecting things. And generally speaking, it's because of our idolatry.

Now, the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, their idols is basically the church because their church is the way, the truth, and the life. In order to find true salvation, you have to be members of their true churches. That's where salvation is found, in their true church. And so their true church is the way. to God.

Their true church is the life Their true church is the truth. They're true church. is what you have to go to for their true priesthood. Don't be duped by the false churches of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. These are apostate churches, they are not true Christian churches.

Now these are hard words, but I will defend them. and that's a hill I will die on. Because I'm going to preach the true gospel. The true gospel is that. We are justified before God by faith alone.

in Christ alone. Through grace alone. Not by our faith and participation in ceremonies. of the Eucharist and doing good by which we then maintain our place with God. Maybe that.

false demonic doctrine. Die. And I hope it does, and it will honor their judgment. when the Supreme King, the Holy Lord, condemns the idolaters. for their false doctrines and false beliefs.

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And no, the Eastern Orthodox Church did not get their traditions passed out from the early church. One of the things I need to do is a research project on when and where these priesthood ideas crept into the church. Because they're certainly not found in the New Testament.

So they had to. come in somehow.

Alright, so there's that one. And let me just get to some more stuff here. Why did King David take two wives uh After the law was given, and was it wrong? Yeah, we're supposed to have one wife, God permitted polygamy. Not that it was something that he wanted everybody to have.

He just permitted it, like he permitted slavery in different forms. He just permitted these things.

So God, David did this for varying reasons, but it was something that God permitted, not prescribed.

So don't make the mistake, I'd say to people, of confusing prescription with description. Just because God describes something and the Bible does, doesn't mean it's approved of. All right, here's another one. Being a person who believes in spiritual gifts and reformed and thinking how can one function honestly in a non-reformed Pentecostal setting. Wow.

Wow. Oh shit.

Well Carefully? That's how you do it. Pentecostal. You know, Pentecostal people, and I'm not knocking them. I've met some Pentecostals and they love the Lord and they have an excitement.

And their excitement is also wedded to their theological perspective that God just wants everybody to be happy. He wants everybody to be saved. And He brings this tends to spirit upon you on the Holy Ghost. And you just got to believe, you got to accept. And let's get up and praise and all this stuff.

And if you come along with, well, God predestined them, what? Is just like, what are you talking about? And then, how do you be happy about that? Because their happiness is often tied up into the other things. And so.

Yeah, if I was going to a a church like that Yeah. Pentecostal for whatever reason. If I was going in there and uh And it was a reform. I'd probably keep it under wraps for a while. You know, I could see going to a church that's just exciting.

You know, I like exciting churches. I'm sorry, but I think a lot of churches are boring. Just go in there and they're just boring. And the pastor gets up and he's just almost monotone. And I'm not knocking all the pastors.

You know, there's a lot of good preachers up there. Me, I just get bored quickly. I need a little something going on up there. And uh So, anyway, you know, I could just see going to a church where it's exciting and the pastor's, you know, full of energy and moving back and forth in the stage up there and getting the congregation, you know, well, what do you think of that? Amen.

That's right, brothers. You know, I like that kind of stuff. And I could just see me going to a church like that saying, okay, keep quiet. Don't say anything about reform theology because it'll wreck them. You know, they wouldn't like it.

Why say it? You know, I don't say it. Just keep myself quiet. And I've done that. I remember once I went to a Bible study.

And my wife and I were going to this Bible study in San Diego. And the pastor of the church we wanted we were going to, he says, Look, why don't I get you eligible to preach here? But in order to do that, 'Cause it was I want y he says I want you to um To attend a Bible study for a few months. I said, that's fine, yeah, sure. And so I still remember my wife and I drive into this Bible study for the first night.

I remember thinking, you know, something? I gotta be careful what I say. because, you know, I know stuff and and teach and all this stuff and And I got a Bible studies and you know and so I teach them. And so I just told her, I'm going to keep quiet. I'm not be rude or anything, but I'm just knocking off her very much.

And she goes, Yeah, it's probably a good idea, you know, 'cause I don't want to ruin it. And so I still remember that. I remember having that conversation. It was just a serious conversation, just a conversation. You know, I just wanted to be cool about it.

And stuff.

So we went on for like two months. Every week we went for two months, and you know, I would be cordial. I wouldn't say very much of much of anything. And so then somebody asked a question, and the whole room went quiet. And this guy, Looks over at me for some reason.

The Bible says, Leader, he goes. Matt, you've been awfully quiet. You know, these weeks. Do you have anything you want to add about this comment? And I slowly look over at my wife, and she goes, go ahead.

And when she said that, she didn't realize what she had done. She says, go ahead, you know, like that. She didn't mean it in any bad way, but it kind of drew the attention. And I was sitting there and I'm going, uh, well, um, Well, you see, blah blah blah. And I just added something very subtly, just added a few points, right?

And um That changed the Bible study. Then they started asking me questions. And then I felt bad for the Bible study leader guy because he was doing a good job. And all of a sudden they're saying, Well, what about this? And I would say, Well, And then he found out that, you know, New stuff.

And we got to keep quiet.

Sometimes you go to Bible studies, I just don't want to say anything. Because it's not, I'm bragging or anything, it's just. You know, they find out, you know, some, you know, know how to answer stuff and teach on some doctrines and stuff. And, uh, So they start asking me. And and that and that's not what I'm there for, you know.

If they want me there for that reason, that's fine. But they're good people who do good Bible studies and they work hard and they don't need someone coming in and inadvertently taking it over and being the teacher.

So that's not what I want to do. I don't want to undermine anybody.

So, anyway, go to churches, you got to be careful, you got to be quiet, okay? Let's see, uh Let's go to this one. This is uh does 1 Corinthians 11, 4 through 16 mean a Christian woman should not cut her hair? No, it doesn't uh it's uh the long hair is a glory of the woman, and uh it doesn't mean in your whole life you don't cut your hair. It means the the idea is that It's a beautiful thing in a woman, and it is.

I love to see women with long hair. Gray hair, brown hair, red hair. Black hair, it's just beautiful. It's just a glory to them. I'm not a fan of short hair.

And if you have short hair, that's fine. But it's just personal. And my wife has nice long dark hair, and it's. She's letting the gray grow out of it. I hope I love the gray.

And so I'm hoping she does. I hope she's not hearing me say that because she might go, that's it. I said it. You said it.

So now I'm going to. Take care.

So, anyway, back in there, when a woman was to be shamed, they would often. Uh cut her hair really short. And it was a shame. For them in that culture. That's all that's going on there.

Alright, so women can cut their hair and you can have short hair if you want. It's not a biblical mandate that, you know, thou shalt have long hair. That's not what it is.

Okay. All right.

Uh I have a very close friend who is a strong agnostic. You know, that's interesting. A strong agnostic is someone who says, I don't know. I am so strong and I don't know. How do you be?

You're a strong agnostic. I'll go up to him. Are you strong? I'm a strong agnostic. Are you sure about that?

Oh, I'm sure.

Well, what are you sure about that I don't know? What about what, God?

So you sure? You're really strong that you don't know about God if he's there or not. Right, that's right. Hm. Anyway, uh any good tips for debating strong agnosticism?

Um Look, I tried tried something like this. Do you have a way In your worldview of agnosticism, of providing a foundation. from which You can justify the universality of the laws of logic, objective morals, and our existence. Go ahead. Tell me.

And of course after they stare at you with one eye bigger than the other and one raised eyebrow, they're not sure what you just said. Here's the point behind it.

Well, where'd we come from? How did we get here? How do you justify rationality? Are there any such things as objective morals? Kelly.

What do you got? What world what's your worldview? What's the foundation of it? Where do you get this foundation? How do you know the foundation is true?

What is it you believe? You ask that kind of stuff, and that's where you hear the conversations going. Hey folks, there's the music. We write back after these messages. We have nobody waiting.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. You know, before the break, I was just giving you guys a little bit of a tip on something. When you do apologetics, When someone gives you uh a worldview that they have, One of the things, does their world view Does it account for morality, logic and existence? The very basics logic. Logic, how we we're rational, because the laws of logic are universals, and that's an interesting topic.

And morality, which are abstractions, what's right and wrong, and also where do we come from. Because every worldview, which is a set of assumptions that you have about what you believe in, like an atheist worldview is God less? It doesn't include God. Usually they're materialistic or naturalistic.

So, you know, just things like that. You can ask: how do you interpret stuff? From what is your ultimate source by which you then justify our, for example, our existence? And sometimes you'll just say, I don't know. But the Christian one has an answer.

And you can go through and you can do stuff like that. What happens to the baby's soul when they die and they had no chance to receive Christ, especially death by abortion? mentally disabled. The Bible doesn't tell us what happens to the children when they die.

Now we do know from Psalm 22:9, it says that. Yeah. It says, You did make me believe while at my mother's breast. No, God granted even to the children the ability to believe.

So. Can you do it with babies in the womb? Um okay, I don't know. I don't know how it works. God does not tell us.

Some people say there was an age of accountability, and if you have, if they're not reaching that age of accountability, then they go to heaven. But there is no such thing as an age of accountability in the Bible. It's made up.

So uh Well, we can't say, I can't say for sure. I hope that they all just go to heaven. I don't know if they do or do not. I just don't know. And what about the mentally disabled?

God is the one who will judge them. according to the criteria he has for them. And the Bible doesn't tell us. All I can say is that whatever happens is the right thing, and God does not inform us about it. And I wish I had better answers for you, but He just doesn't tell us, so I can't tell you.

All right, let's get to the caller, Rob from North Carolina. Rob, welcome. you're on the air. Thank you, Matt. Hope you're doing well.

By God's grace, yes I am. That is good. Uh I believe in predestination and I'm thankful God raised me. I was dead in my sins. But I guess something I've always struggled with.

How can God create someone not call them and then hold them eternally accountable.

So that's my question.

Okay, because the standard of righteousness is God. That's one key factor. The standard of righteousness is God, not our ability or inability. If you go to, for example, in 1 Corinthians 4, 4, I'll read it to you. For I am conscious of nothing against myself.

Yet I am not by this acquitted. But the one who examines me is the word. Ignorance of something doesn't excuse you. God says in 1 Peter 1:16, Be holy, for I am holy.

So we are to manifest the standard of God's holiness, whether we can or cannot. That's just a. He's the standard.

Now That's one part. The other part is something called federal headship. Federal headship is the teaching that the male, not the female, represents the descendants. or those who work. In him.

The phrase in him, in Adam, in Christ. These are terms at dealing with federal headship.

So Adam and Eve were in the garden. Eve sinned first, but sin entered the world through Adam because he was the representative. He was the Adam. In fact, in 1 Corinthians 15:45, Jesus is called the last Adam.

Alright, having said all of that. This is why when people fell in Adam, when Adam sinned, all people then fell in him. And it says in 1 Corinthians 15, 22, in Adam all die. In Romans 5.19, it says, through the transgression of the one The many were made sinners. They were Made?

sinners by what Adam did.

So they are by nature children of wrath because they're represented by Adam, they have an inherent sinful nature that they're born with. And then they They die and God is not obligated to save them.

Now, some may say, well that's not right, this idea of federal headship. But if you reject federal headship of atom, you must be consistent and reject the federal headship of the last atom. Jesus, 1 Corinthians 15, 45. Because 1 Corinthians 15, 22 says In Adam, all die in Christ. all should make alive.

That second all is the limited group.

So what we see is that the representation issue is in the mind and the heart of God revealed by him to us in the person of Christ, which is why the first Adam, when he died, represented people, they died in him. They inherited a sinful nature. there without excuse, because the obligation to do what is right is before them. And the law is written on their hearts and their minds, and in their own sinfulness they suppress the truth of their own righteousness. Oh uh In unrighteousness, and what they do then is earn for themselves in that sense, in addition.

to their fallen natures they uh they uh um earn their own damnation.

Okay? Are you there? Um I have uh Yes, sir. Can you hear me? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, one more question, hey. Um, Matt?

Sure. Um also when I look at when I look at Um You know, Held, so many of the references say it's a second death and that. John 3.16 says, receive a gift of a which may Yeah. Other people don't have it. gift of eternal life.

I guess You can probably sense where I'm going. Do you feel that that That hell is the second. or do you think it's a drone? Or what do you see in the Bible? No, hell is eternal.

All right.

And I can explain why. But it's definitely an internal thing.

Okay. Okay. So let let me explain. Um In the Bible punishment is experienced.

Some people say that people are annihilated, they don't exist anymore. And that's sort of punishment, but that's not an experience. When you don't exist, you're not experiencing anything.

So it's not punishment biblically. Another thing is that some people will say that they suffer for a while. And then they're annihilated because the tale is just too bad.

So They'll suffer for a little while before they're wiped out.

Well then that's problematic because it would mean then That they have suffered according to according to the revelation of the law, which is don't lie, don't this, don't do that. and they are punished according to the law breaking. But once the law breaking is satisfied They are annihilated, but if it's satisfied, they satisfy the requirements of the law. then they should be saved. And this is a logical problem with that position as well.

And so the idea of annihilation immediate or annihilation after. Both of them are logically inconsistent with the idea of what true punishment is and the nature of the law. And so we furthermore we find in Romans excuse me Matthew Uh mark three twenty nine, might be twenty five forty-six. Uh Revelation 4:11 and 2010, we find phraseology about eternal. Torment.

The smoke of their torment arises forever and ever.

So the Bible definitely does teach that the nature of hell is an eternal thing.

Okay. Okay. Well, thank you for what you do, Matt.

Well, you're welcome.

Alright, well God bless.

Okay. All right, thank you.

Alright.

Okay. Now let's get to Alberto from George. Alberto. Welcome, buddy. You're on the air.

Yes, I got two questions, Max Leg. Why do Pentecostal churches Take Yeah, they're they're so spiritual just because they speak in tongues. and do all that craziness at doing the churches and look down at other ba other uh denominations. Like their mouth, what that's spiritual.

Some do.

Some Pentecostals look down on others because they don't speak in tongues, because they erringly. Think that one of the manifestations or the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues because it did happen pretty much consistently, not always though, in the New Testament. when the Holy Spirit came upon them.

So they make it normative. And then they'll they say, Because it's normative, then you don't have it, so therefore you're not as as uh spiritual as us. This is one of the tendencies of an errant doctrine like that.

Okay, that's why. All right.

What's your question? Because I used to attend a church like that, the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee, Spanish Church. That that's what they The uh So it was more spiritual example if I come in sin and one of the church ladies that Oh, can we know who's who? you don't come in no single long gossiping tongue. I'm not the time.

Anyway, now you're almost awesome, too. You've got to be careful here. You gotta be careful how you talk about it because some people are um We'll just leave it at that. What's your next question? Let's just go to your next question.

Okay, my question is. Uh why do Okay. church Christians label their churches non-denominations. But you ask them what their toxin oblivions are. It's either going to incline to a Baptist view or some other denominational view.

the label of non-denominations of bars. Because it's a farce.

Well, no, it's not. A non-denominational church is just a church that's not affiliated or under the headship of a larger ecclesiastical body.

So they're non-denominational. But someone might say, well, what do you lean towards?

Well, we lean towards the Baptist theology. And that and that would be the their Okay, it's not a big deal. All right, buddy? Right now, there's a break we gotta go. May the Lord bless you.

All right.

Hey, we'll get to Nate from California next after the break. If you want to call me, 877-87777777777 207. Two, two, seven, six. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. Let's get on with, let's see, next longest waiting is Nate from California. Nate, welcome. You're on the air.

How are you, ma'am? May the Lord bless you. Oh, thank you. I'm doing okay. Hanging in there?

So what do you got, buddy? You know me from Bellflower.

Well, you live in Belfort? Yeah. Not a new.

Okay, yeah, I used to live there with one kid, that's right. Yeah. I have a question. In the Hebrew Bible, God is Elohim. be correct.

Why don't we keep it in the English Bible instead of God Elohim?

Well, it's it's because it's just a different language. Different languages have different words.

Okay. That's all it is. I asked because, um um there's other verses that say yellow him.

Okay. Okay. Elohim. is from the Hebrew. That's just the word God, like the word God in Greek is theos.

and the word God in Spanish is Dios. It's just that's it.

So it's just a different word, different language, and all they're doing is just. Uh Just representing the concept of God with a word that they know in that language. That's all it is. Alright.

There is no thing that breaks up the Elohim and other verses like in. No. What? One god, three gods. What?

You kind of lost me there. Yeah, that's what I heard.

Well. I don't know. I just wanted to make sure if I was If I heard what I I'm not sure what you're getting at, but the word Elohim, which is Hebrew letters. Does not occur in the Greek New Testament because. Greek is written in with Greek letters.

Not Hebrew letters. Yeah. And I also heard that the name God is not even in Hebrew. No, it's not the name God. The word God is Elohim.

Yeah. That's Hebrew. It's just the the word for God in Hebrew is Elohim. The word forgot in Greek is theos. They're just different languages.

Okay. That's all. Yeah. That's all it is, all right? Yeah.

Well, then Then then there's no problem for me to, um Say Alohim to somebody else and or read it alohin.

Well, it just depends. what it just would depend what you're doing. You don't have to say Elohim as though it's his name. Just say God, the name of Elohim. The name of God is Yahweh.

In the Old Testament.

Okay. All your ways. How about in um And if it's all Yahweh, But without the alphabet, uh, without um the vowels, of course. Um Elohim, can I say Elohim? read it instead of You know, God said this.

God and God is our Savior or Elohim as our Saviour. Just say God is our Savior. Don't say the word Elohim because you're using it as though it's a name. It's not a name, it's just the word God. It's like if you're talking to someone in Spanish, you'd say, you know Uh Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, look. Didn't Just don't use Elohim as God's name.

Okay. All right.

It just means the word God.

Now you got me confused because.

Well, some Bibles have the name of him. No, they don't. The word Elohim is not a name. It's not a name. It's just the word God.

It's all it is. It's just the word God. Okay. All right, well then To recontinue this conversation, I'm going to call you again later. And um look up for the name of Lohim is um written somewhere else.

Sure, please. But that you Sure, no problem at all. All right, well God bless. I'll keep it up there.

So keep it going. I'm Dream. All right, now let's get to Everett from North Carolina. Everett, welcome. You're on the air.

Well, thank you, Matt, for taking my call. Sure. I'm making a reference to, I think it was yesterday, the day before, and you had a long session there on election.

Okay. I don't know. I just do the radio show and then go do something else afterwards.

Okay, my I just really disagreed with you because you're saying that the elect God has chosen to go to heaven.

So, by the opposite of that, then you're saying that God has chosen men to g to go to hell. And what's wrong with you? What's wrong with that?

Well, what's wrong with that? Because I don't think a loving God would send anybody to hell. No, I think they are figure. Which God are you talking about? Which God do you believe in?

I believe in the God that died for my sins on the cross of Calvary.

Okay. That's the God I believe in. Jesus is God. But I looked at 1 Peter and it says one in verse 1 Peter chapter 1, verse 2, it said, according to his foreknowledge. He's chosen us.

So I think he's chosen not to corporate the foreknowledge of God, because I do believe in the omniscience of God.

Okay. But then I read also in the middle of the day. Anyway Yeah, you're just throwing stuff out, but you don't want any responses.

Okay. Uh Mm-hmm. First of all, let me read you something. This is out of the book of Romans, chapter nine, verse twenty two and twenty three. What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, prepared for destruction?

And he did so, to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy which he prepared beforehand for glory.

So what do you think about that?

Well, I'm not exactly sure what all that means right there, but I know that 1 Peter 1, verse 3 says, according to his foreknowledge, he chose us.

Okay, okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Look, you're jumping ahead, and you said. A loving God would never do this. And that's why I asked you: well, what God are you talking about? I'm talking about the same God you're talking about.

I'm talking about the God who created the heavens and the earth. I'm talking about the can you hold on? Can you hold? Hold on. Look.

Look. You're like a spring, okay? You just touch it, blam, there it goes.

So. I'd read you scripture right out of the the Bible. that says that God has made endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.

So do you agree that God is Endures with much patience vessels of wrath presented Prepared for destruction. Do you agree with that? Sure, but do you agree with 1 Peter 1:2? Hold on, hold on, hold on. You don't set scripture against scripture.

And I'm going to get to that. I'm trying to. Look, look, you gotta be calm. You gotta cal calm down, buddy. I asked you, I'm showing you something in the scriptures.

Now, do you believe that God makes everything, even the wicked, for the day of evil? Did God make everything? That God makes everything, even the wicked, for the day of evil. Do you believe that?

Well, I think Satan makes it the evil stuff. God's not able to do evil. I didn't say he made made evil. I didn't say he creates evil. I'm quite sure Quoting to you, Proverbs 16, verse 4: The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil.

That's what the Bible says.

So I'm asking. Tell me about this.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm trying to show you something, and what you're doing repeatedly is ignoring it. To set scripture. Everett, Everett, Everett, Everett. I have to silence you, Everett, because you're not listening and because you're reacting.

You need to interact with the issues. I told you, I can get to your foreknowledge verse. I can get to it. I'm asking this because this is what you first addressed.

So Everett Can you deal with the verses I've raised and make them make sense in what you've already said? Can you do that? Go ahead. I'm not sure what that verse actually means. I haven't really concentrated or meditated on it yet, but.

Uh I I can give your Oh yeah.

Okay. They were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God. Do you know what foreknowledge is in the Bible? Are you telling me? Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Everett, Everett, oh man. Everett. Do you think I won't forget? Everett, do you think that God looks into the future to see who's going to pick him and then he chooses them because of that?

Well, I think he knew who's going to be saved before the creation of this world. He said that, but he asked that. I asked, do you think that God looks into the future what you think foreknowledge is? And That he chooses people for salvation based on what he sees they're going to choose. Is that what you think?

That's what Titus chapter 2, verse 5 is saying to me.

Okay, okay, okay. I just asked a question. I just asked, is that what you believe? I didn't, and that's all I asked.

Okay. Yes, it I believe it looked into the future and into the past.

Okay. So then Excuse me, what you're saying is God's choices. for salvation depend on man's goodness. No, I said it depends on what his knowledge is. He knows what we're going to do.

He knows he's going to be saved. Oh, I got you, Everett.

So it's on his knowledge what we're going to do.

Okay. They're going to choose God, so He chooses them because they're going to choose Him. Is that right? Is that what you're saying? I'm saying that God knows who's going to receive him as Lord and Savior.

He knows that. Are you saying that God is choosing the ones he knows will believe in him? Accord according to man's free will I do, yes.

Okay, finally, that's what you're saying.

So now you're saying that God's choice of salvation depends on man's goodness because it's a good thing he's doing. Is that what you're saying? No, no, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that if that's what I'm saying, that's not what I mean.

Well then you've got to understand something. And also, what do you do with Romans 8.29, which has the word for know in it?

Okay, we're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done.

You keep interrupting. I'm just not going to keep putting up with it, okay? I try and ask him, I try and work with him, and he just keeps it going, and it gets aggravating. I don't want to deal with it anymore.

So, not because I can't answer him, because certainly I can. It's just that he's just not listening and just reacting emotionally. That's not how you want to have a conversation. If I give him a verse and he contradicts it, well, what do you do about this verse? He doesn't address the verse I give him.

I have to force him to look at it. Then he still doesn't agree with it because he doesn't know what it means. Then he goes to another verse, as though that verse is his pet peeve verse. He's not addressing the issues that I've raised. He's not harmonizing all of Scripture.

What I was going to do was ask him about this, because it says those whom he foreknew, he also predestined in Romans 8:29. They're the same group.

Now, there's problems with this. If he's going to say that God is looking into the future to see who's going to pick him. Then God's choice is contingent upon man's choice, and this violates one of the basic doctrines of God's asseetity.

So this is and I'll just say this before we go. To 15 seconds. This is humanist philosophy that has crept into the Christian church, and far too many people believe this kind of humanism. Humanism is that God won't do. Won't have you do anything more than you can do, and that God won't do something that you can't choose.

Where man is the center, man is the standard, God won't or will based on what you can do. That's humanist philosophy, and people need to repent of it. And pastors need to stop teaching it from the pulpit. You need to repent.

Okay, by God's grace, we'll be back on the air on Monday. We'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless. Bye.

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