Matt Slick Live

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Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Listen Matt's look live. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. All I have to do is dial 8772-072276.

Hope you had a good weekend. I had a Had a good weekend. Let's see, I'm trying to remember what I did. You know, you ever try to think about I had a good weekend, but what was it I did? I met some friends and did some stuff and had a good time.

We had a nice little kind of a windstorm here. I love weather. I enjoyed the weather. We're outside in a guy's backyard yesterday and watched the clouds come in and Trees just moving. It was awesome.

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Let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome to Block here. Hey, thank you, sir. Good afternoon. Hey, uh, we were talking on the last Friday.

And um we the the child ran out but you get chest. business. And we were discussing the fact of whether uh women preachers would go to hell For preaching the gospel or pastoring or what have you within the church. Yeah, I I remember, yes. Yes, sir.

So, as we're finishing that, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, sir. No, I just get a lot of background noise there, a lot of squeaks, a lot of noises, but uh. You know, but go ahead. Hey, I'm sorry, I'm on the highway, and I want to go. wanted to finish that conversation so Uh I want to but if this if this if it's too much of a distraction I can call back some other time.

No, that's okay. That's all right. We'll just work through it. Go ahead. All right, so I was trying to ask you that because I know you said if you had a child.

Church has run. Astered. by a a female to flee the rotten. And so I know that in the scriptures it states that when you're playing and running, There's only two places that you flee and run. either from point location or you flee opposite Oh, blessed is a man that does not run.

Two wards. Since that means you're right in from it.

So if you're running from a w woman, then that woman is Simple, correct. She's a sin to be preaching. Yeah, she's in sin uh to to be in that position, normally speaking, yeah. And uh uh but it doesn't mean she's not uh saved.

Okay. Women can uh and men can be saved in different levels of ignorance, different levels of of uh lack of orthodoxy.

So it is a false thing for a woman to be a preacher, teacher, and elder. It's against scripture. They should submit to scripture. If they refuse to submit to scripture knowingly, say I were to sit with them and show them the scriptures and show this what it says. Why are you in rebellion against it?

Then you'd wonder, is this person really saved? Because they're not submitting to scripture. But I couldn't make that judgment even then.

Okay. Okay. So so If if that is if that is the case, And if someone went to a woman's church, And they got quote unquote. saved while under that woman. And are they really saved?

Yeah, they did it based off of what that woman said. Yeah, the gospel is not dependent on a gender. It's not dependent on if someone's saved or not. You could have an atheist who would recite the gospel to somebody, and God could anoint that, and the person could be saved.

So we have to be careful of what's called the genetic fallacy, that the source of the information is bad, therefore the information is bad. An atheist told me that 2 plus 2 is 4, therefore it's not true. Or a woman pastor preached the gospel, therefore the gospel is not true.

So we've got to be careful of that thing. An error. I will say that women, pastors, and elders are unbiblical. They're not to be in that position. They should not, and they need to repent of that sinful rebellion against God's word.

Um uh and then come to to uh a proper understanding, okay.

Well, based on what she said, then there's really I mean it's It's not a big deal then because The person is still going to go to heaven. The the woman that's that's a pastor is still gonna go to heaven.

So what is the problem with a woman pastor, really? The Bible says. The Bible says, don't do it. The Bible says, women are not to teach or exercise authority over men, but remain silent, for Adam was first created. 1 Timothy 2:12 and 13.

But someone who doesn't affirm that doesn't mean they're not saved, because that's not a salvation doctrine. The doctrines that the Bible says are salvific are things like Jesus as God in flesh, that's John 8, 24, or his physical resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15, 14 and 17, or the true gospel, Galatians 1, 8, 9.

So you see, they're not denied what if you've got a window open, man, close the window if you silence your cab up or something. I don't know what the deal is, but it's pretty bad. You know what I'm thinking about doing? I'm thinking about pulling over. There's some kind of you're right, there's some air escaping.

I'm sorry about that. I'm I'm gonna pull over. Just so I can finish hearing that. There's a division between the essential doctrines and non-essential doctrines. The essential doctrines I've written about on the website.

If someone were to deny the Trinity, you can't say they're saved. They were openly, continually denying it. But someone who is in a woman pastor, that's not in the category of an essential doctrine. It's a secondary doctrine. But it's still in it No, it is hard, noise.

Uh Is that better?

Well, now I hear kicking.

So uh There, that's better.

So, the thing is that there is a difference between essentials and non-essentials. the essent the non-essentials are still important. And you need to follow what the scriptures teach. The Bible doesn't say you go to hell if you're a woman pastor. But it does tell us this is how things are to be in the church.

If they're not obeying that and they continue to rebel against that, then I would wonder if they're really truly saved because they're in rebellion against the Word of God. But that's another issue, okay?

So what so Yeah. When the the Pharisees and the Sadducees approach Jesus about the fact that his disciples We're not honoring little lots. by eating food that had not properly Washed their hands correctly, which was something that was essential out of out of mankind. No, no, no, it was Old Testament law invented by them. They had raised it to the level of essentials.

Okay, go ahead. But but but wasn't that invented when Paul said for the woman to keep silent and not to speak in the church?

Okay. Let me go over this again. There are essential doctrines of the faith. You can't deny those. But there's nothing in the scripture that says a woman pastor will automatically will.

The Bible says that the structure of the church is to be male-run. If someone doesn't do that, it doesn't mean they're not Christian. It can mean they're ignorant. It can mean they're in rebellion against that particular area, but agreeing in other areas. This is an issue of sanctification and maturity in Christ.

So Anybody who goes to a church with women, pastors, and elders should leave. They should not go to those churches because those churches are unbiblical in that sense. It does not mean a woman who preaches the gospel, that doesn't mean no one could be saved under that preaching because it's the power of the gospel that is the truth, not the person who delivers it. That's Romans 1:16. But we are to abide by the things taught in Scripture.

There are people who sincerely believe that this thing I'm teaching out of Scripture is not correct. They sincerely believe it's I'm wrong. And they can go to their various verses taken out of context and misapplied in order to hold their position. But they're then not in an open rebellion against God's word as they see it. They're trying to be faithful to God's word.

So this is why we got to say It's the essentials versus the non-essentials. But in the non-essentials, we then take each case. On its own merit. If I were to talk to a woman pastor over, say, a three, four month period, she continually refused to believe the word of God. in this era when I show it to her.

And she competed, I'd say, look, I don't know if you're saved or not. I would say that.

Okay. I actually set it to a To a pastor once who let Christian scientists come into his church on a day off when the church wasn't being used and let the Christian scientists have a non-Christian cult. Denies the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the vicarious efficacious atonement, denies the resurrection of Jesus, all of this. Let them come in and. And use the facilities.

And I said, Do you know that this is a non-Christian group? I mean, you know, you don't want to aid and abed the enemy of the gospel. He said, everybody has the right to do what they want. And I said, Are you even saved? And he he uh kicked me out of his office.

Because he didn't know I can understand why you're going to do that. Yeah. I confronted him. I confronted him, and he was. Yeah.

So if I were to do the same thing with a pastor. And they kick they kicked me out, but that's to their detriment. I guess I guess I'm just looking at the fact of your comparisons. Because we know that that is a cult. We know that they don't believe in the essentials.

So I I I agree that that That is so. But you compare a person who's only sinned was being born a female. Because the way you say it, that's a sin. Wait, wait, wait. It's not a sin to be born a female.

But that would only be, that's her only sin, is that she wants to preach. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say it's her only sin. Nobody only has one sin. It's playing with, you know, we're playing with hairs.

I didn't mean it like that, but I'm just saying that folks and kids. People take what I say on the radio. They do little snippets and they try and make me say things I don't say. I've got to be very careful of what I prove and don't approve.

So that's why. But the thing is, that women are not good pastors and elders, and they need to repent. They need to stop. They need to stop it. Who do they step up?

Who reports to? Who do they repent to? Who do they repent to? To God. They repent before God and say, This is what the scriptures teach, and they need to get out of the pulpit, they need to raise up men to do the job.

I will help people do that, I will help women leave the pulpit and find qualified men in the church. I can do interviews over the radio. I mean, over the phone. I can do that. I can teach them.

Find some good men up there. What? Yeah. God never said that women couldn't preach. There's nowhere in the Bible that he said that.

There's nowhere in the Bible. They're not to be able to do that. Did that?

Okay, they're not to be pastors and elders or deacons. That's what the scriptures say. But God didn't say that. But God didn't say that. See, now that's pharasitical because now you're following the book.

and not the one who wrote the book. God didn't say that. Jesus didn't say that. Paul said that. Paul, who was out at that time, who was in that time.

I'm dumbfounded by your heretical view and your false understanding of Scripture. No, that's not. That's not true. You don't know what you're doing. That's true.

No, it's not true. No, no, no. Look. Come on, sir. Jesus Christ called Paul the Apostle in Acts chapter 9 to be the apostle to the Gentiles.

Jesus called him to do it. And Paul the Apostle would even say, I say to you, not the Lord. And sometimes you say, the Lord says to you, blah, blah, blah. He is giving instruction. Who are you to say that it's not the word of God from what Paul the Apostle says, called by Jesus?

Who are you? But who are you to say that it is? But who are you to say that it is? What? Jesus said it.

Jesus said it. I am just as good as Paul. You are too. But Paul was a person of that. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Did Jesus call Paul to be an apostle or not? Jesus called Paul to speak. He did because he saved Paul from his sins.

Okay, I asked you a question. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. I asked you a question, and then you could like cultists do. They have to just start qualifying every excuse they've got.

Well, you better say that. We got a break. Hold on. We got a break. Oh.

Woo! We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright everybody, welcome back. Back! Back to the show. Let's see. Where was it?

Where would he go? There we go. All right, Dave from North Carolina. Dave. Yes, sir.

Why do you not believe What the Word of God says. Oh, I believe the word of God. Is Paul the word of the? But you have to rightly divine it. I believe God.

But you have to rightly. I believe the word of God. Good, is it all the word of God? Is no word of God? He is not.

Oh. Jesus is. In the beginning was the word. The word was with God.

Okay, you know what I'm saying? Is Paul's teaching equivalent to scripture? Because is it scripture? Let me ask you a question. Is your word the word of God?

Because you're not. No, it's not. Is your word the word of God? I asked you a question about Paul. I'm asking you: is Paul the Apostle called by Jesus?

I'm answering that. I am answering that by saying we are all the same. We are all the same. Is Paul called by Jesus specifically? He was.

Well, you call by Jesus. He was.

Then, who are you to say that Jesus is wrong when Jesus appointed him to be the The Apostle to the Gentiles. Who are you to disagree with Jesus? I'll tell you who I am. Was Peter called by Jesus?

Okay, you're not listening to me. This is what cults do. And I say you're a cultist, but I'm just a question. No, you're not. Why are you rejecting what Jesus said?

Did Jesus call you? You said, Did Jesus call you? You asked me, Who am I? You asked me, Who am I? But who are you to do such a thing?

I didn't say, Who are you? Who are you to do it? You can't even understand what he's a case. I am I am the well, you know, I am I am from the United States, I understand.

Okay, we're done.

Now, the reason I'm cutting them off folks is because I'm going to get upset. Because. Of the lack of thought, the lack of understanding, the lack of commitment to scripture, the lack of believing in the truth, and the lack of answering questions and twisting things what I'm saying and not listening. I've been in this kind of conversation before, and it just gets bad, it gets worse, and I'm not going to lower myself to that position. Let's get to Jermaine from California.

Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Oh, hey, uh, you're gonna get a little excitement on uh Monday, I guess. Oh yeah, I don't mind this stuff, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I've done this a thousand times. I know how it goes and I know where it goes.

And it just, after a bit, it just degrades. And that's what it was at that point.

So, like, we're done. Yeah, we're just done.

Okay. Well, well that that'll lead me into my sessions with them all, but As for today, yeah, I just wanted to Yeah, I want to talk about Mm-hmm of Yeah, Jesus says he It doesn't know the time. Uh I know a lot of people picked up on that and Try to attack his deity. Yeah. For me, the way I understand that is.

we didn't know at the time in its flesh, but obviously to know afterwards uh 'cause seems like a lot of folks kind of limited. But what what do you have to say about that? I've answered this many times on the radio. It's one of the more common questions about Jesus. And there's two things.

One is a wedding feast. Another thing, I'll go to Revelation, I'll show you something. But it's a wedding feast phraseology. And I've had this confirmed to me by two Jewish people who became Christians who, when I was at different conferences speaking, this came up, and I answered it. Two different guys, two different occasions, said they were very impressed that a Gentile knew this.

And what it is, is a w man or woman would be engaged by an arranged marriage. It'd be a year-long engagement. During that time, there would be a lot of preparation that would go forth. Trump I mean, the musicians had to be arranged, the wine, the the food, depending on how many people RSVP'd to come in. And then people would come in on a certain day beca or, you know, a day or two or three 'cause they they were traveling problems and issues and housing and things like this.

All right, during this whole process, the groom was to normally was to build a room addition onto the father's house. Agrarian society mainly on the father's house, or they'd have a special room in a house, he'd prepare for the bride. And then on the day of the wedding, Everybody was ready. The groomsmen are ready. The groom is there.

The bride is not there. She has to be fetched. The groom has to go get her. And bring him back, bring her back to himself for the entrance into the room later on.

Alright, so the groomsman would say to the groom, When will your father let you go? go. Because i in the culture it was the the father's responsibility because of the patriarchal, very respected thing about the father. He would say, now you can go get your bride. He'd look at all the festivities, he'd look at everything, everything's ready, and they'd be just looking to him.

he had the final say, and he would finally say You can go.

So, when they would ask, it was kind of a cultural thing. What's your dad going to say? You can go because no one knows the day nor the hour, just him. And it was that phraseology that was associated with that Jesus is. Referencing there.

In part, remember, he says, I go away to prepare a place for you, and I will return to you and come and retrieve and get you. and bring you to where I am.

So this is more allusion to the wedding feast and that's what's going on, so it doesn't necessitate he didn't know, but that he was in willing, humble subjection to the Father, but he was alluding to the wedding issue. And it was more code than anything else that people didn't know about. That's one point. On the other point, if they want to say That Jesus is not God. Because they say he didn't know, and they reject the answer I gave them.

But I say, then go to Revelation 19:12. Because In the next verse, it says, His name is called the Word of God, his robe dipped in blood. That's Jesus being speaking of. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written on him which no one knows except himself.

So, this means then, since it's talking about Jesus and he's the only one who knows that name, that means the Father can't know the name, therefore, the Father is not God because he doesn't know the name of Jesus. But that wouldn't make any sense.

So, what I tell people is, I say, the Jews would often write in an exaggerated form. You may have gotten an argument with your wife and say, you never listen to me.

Well, you know, it's just an exaggeration to make a point, and that's all it is. And so Jesus would say things like, truly, truly, truly, I say to you, or Jude, In uh Jude 4. He says, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus.

Well, wait, the Father isn't our Master, our Lord.

So, you see, this is how the Jewish mindset is.

So, sometimes people make a mistake. They think it's just a literal statement. And a lot of times it's descriptive rather than prescriptive. And then it's culturally set. And that's what the issue is there.

It's culturally set. And that's what that means, okay? Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Very, very thorough answer and makes perfect sense. Good.

That's that's the answer I give people. And I I was going to write an article on it for documentation about the wedding feast thing, and I found documentation, and I just get s sidetracked and I forgot to finish it, but I've got to finish it sometime. But it's there. All right.

Okay. Yeah, and I'll have a follow-up. The weirdness you had to experience this morning because I hear that argument a lot about. Or excuse me, a few minutes ago, not this morning, but. That attacking the authority of Paul really leads to a lot of heresy, in my opinion.

So I'll love, when I get more time. I'll definitely tackle that tomorrow. Oh yeah, yeah. And and I've got notes and stuff on this. About it, you know, he was definitely called by Jesus.

So I've had people say to me, Paul is a false apostle. I said, Well, then, was Jesus wrong? And, you know, what are they going to do? They just go off into more harassing. Oh well.

Okay buddy, there's a break man. We gotta go. All right.

God bless you, y'all. Bye-bye. God bless your man. God bless. Hey folks, we right back after these messages.

8-7720-72276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show.

Just want to let you know that in a couple of weeks I Going to North Carolina to speak at a conference. If you want to get more information on it, I'm going to give you the website. You can go to check it out. It'll be in Kannapolis, North Carolina, which is north of Raleigh, I believe. And you can go to ministry to muslims.com.

Ministry T-O, not the number two, but just ministrytomuslims.com, and you can get the information right there. Just look at M2M coming events. our strong tower is what it is.

So you can go check that out. And there's a a thing and anyway, I I was going to put on the I did put it on the calendar on Carm, but I just noticed our calendars um When you go there Let's see, when you go there, it just lists all it does is list a radio show. And I put the I'm looking. I put the the strong tower thing up over the weekend, and now it's not showing up. If you were to go to the Carm site, you'd have to go to select the month, which is August, and The year 2025, and then it shows up down there a little bit.

Strong Tower Islam Conference.

So you can do that. Anyway. Ministry to Muslims.com. Check it out. Let's get to.

Joel from Washington State. Joel, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Mr. Slick.

How you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy?

Um I'm in the car, but I'm parked. I want to make sure you can hear me. Are you able to hear me all right? Oh, yeah, I hear you fine. Yep.

Awesome.

Well, I've been listening to you for a decade, on and off. And I just want to first of all say thank you. For your personal dedication to the word. Because I know what that takes, and I feel like only some people can really appreciate that depth. And so, thank you for your personal.

Um Dedication to the Lord. and for the fruit that it's brought to us. I really appreciate you. Praise God. That's what we're doing.

Yeah. Um well, I have uh I have two questions if we have time for two. First one. Um is Why do you think there's a connection between fasting and receiving spiritual empowerment. Because sin entered the world through eating, for one thing.

The eating of the fruit is the consumption. And when you eat something, it becomes what you are, so to speak. There's a symbolism there.

So God says, don't eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. It becomes what it is you are in participation of this. And it is, of course, a biological need that God put in us. But when we deny ourselves a biological need for the furtherment of spiritual things, it seems to have the effect of amplifying things in Scripture. Daniel did it, Cornelius, Paul, Jesus even did it.

So there just seems to be a connection there. And the Apostles?

Okay. Go ahead. Actually, you know, I might be assuming there. I'm thinking of the when they were fasting up in the upper room in the book of Acts before the Holy Spirit came. Um Maybe I'm just um assuming they were fasting, but I know they were at least praying up there.

Yeah, they were. But yeah, there is a high correlation. between the fasting And I know my question originally was visions, but as I thought about it more, there seems to be all sorts of spiritual help. But I've never really heard many people talk about why they're connected. But um how you an started your answer is fascinating.

And I've never thought of that before. That that sin entered the world through somebody eating something. And yes, I agree that A big part of fasting is denying Yeah. I guess brings you pleasure. You're denying yourself so that you can be more open to the things of God.

Um I recently I recently heard Jordan Peterson say that the stomach is the only place besides the brain that contains neurons. Yes. Much, but if you haven't heard that, I thought maybe you might be interested in looking into that sometime. Yeah, because I wonder if that's related to this subject. Yeah, they call it the second brain.

There's something to do down in there, and some people think it might have something to do with your heart as a term, as a term. There's a central area down there that you feel. And something is related to that, the second brain there. It's not literally the corosolum, the heart, but the organ, but that area. And so, yeah, that's why.

My wife has medical issues, so I study this stuff a little bit. That's why you need good probiotics, you need good. gut biome and things like this, you know, for physical health. And there's something also with fasting is that it gives your body rest. There have been a lot of cases of people being cured of things by just fasting.

I'm not saying fasting cures everything, but there's a lot of documented cases of people just they fast and things clear up. gives the body a chance, particularly since our diets are f so full of crud. That fasting is just a good idea. And then there's different kinds of fasting. There's intermittent fasting, where you said you only eat at noon and 6, for example.

And then you or only once a day, or whatever it is. There's different kinds for different people's levels of ability.

Some will just stop eating altogether for days at a time. And they'll just do water because you need water, you know. And some will even do a water fast for 24 hours and stuff. It just depends. And, you know.

Just depends. Awesome.

Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah, I will be thinking about that. I'm writing a little couple of notes down as you answer, so I will be looking that up. Um do we how many more callers do you have in the queue?

Two more. You got one more question. Go for it.

Okay. Mm-hmm. Uh Just to help you see where I'm coming from. I am also a complimentarian, so I don't believe that women should occupy the role of elder or any of their decisions. I don't think they should function or be called elders.

So my question is In second in 1 Timothy chapter 2. Why does Paul give Eve's deception as his Second reason. For women not. teaching. He seems to get two reasons.

One is a created order, verse thirteen. And then the second reason seems to be because Eve was deceived. But I don't understand the connection between ease deception and all women not teaching.

Alright, so let's look at it this way. Adam was a federal head. He was the representative. He was the head of the family. He was the one who named Eve.

He's the one who named the animals. God is the one who gave dominion to Adam in that sense. When Eve was made out of his rib, he then named her. This is a signification of authority.

So I agree with the Satan He It went against the system. He went to Eve and asked Eve theologically, spiritually, and important questions. Her place was then to defer to the spiritual head of her family. Adam. And because she did not do that, she then was open to deception.

So there's a connection between him being the firstborn, which is a doctrine called primogeniture. The firstborn male has rights that the the next male does not have in the family. It's just how it was back then. Firstborn in male, firstborn rights, they could be transferred.

So the firstborn primogeniture. The issue of the authority set up that God had went. And remember, after Adam and Eve had sinned, they hid themselves. The pre-incarnate Christ came and said, To the man, where are you? It specifically says, And to the man he said, Where are you?

Didn't say address Eve first to the man. And this is more proof that this issue of authority in the garden is there. And what the devil did was he went to the woman to get to the man. And so instead of the woman saying, Look, I got this word from Adam. You go talk to him.

He's the spiritual head right here. And she didn't. Didn't submit to the authority that God has set up over her, and in that, uh, It was rebellion and deception, which this also plays down and goes down to trickled down to women pastors and elders today. The same issue and same problem. Thank you for that.

Um Even Now I'm not completely sure what I believe about uh the ability to teach between men and women. but I think it's irrelevant because i if God says it, that's enough for me. But sort of as an extension to my question, do you think that The reference to her deception is merely reminding us of the story and that Adam should have been the one the serpent went to. Or do you think that this is related to what Peter says in 1 Peter about women being a weaker vessel and having some sort of weakness? that would happen to be relevant to their teaching ability.

It might be that they're more emotional and it can be a weakness because they will not use logic and truth as much as they might use emotion. It could be one of the theories about what the weakness is. And it's just a theory, okay? But there's strength and weaknesses to everything, male and female.

So the deception is there specifically of their.

Now, here's a question: why didn't Paul, just a question, why didn't Paul say, and Adam knew better?

Well, you know, if he knew better and he went. It's almost a greater problem than a deception problem. But then there's underlying feelings. Right, because he's more responsible, maybe a greater sense. Right.

So you'd think but ain't oh, there's a break, so hold on, man. We gotta get through this a little bit more for the break, because this is a good issue. There's a lot of lot here. All right here, folks, we'll be right back after these messages with uh let's see, next longest waiting is uh Christopher from North Carolina, then Jamal from North Carolina, then DJ from North Carolina. Woo!

North Carolina. We'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright everybody, welcome back to the church of church.

I'm reading stuff. Let's get back to Okay, I'm gonna make sure I get this right. Joel, you still there? Yeah, I'm still here, Matt. And you were correct about Acts chapter 2.

They were not fasting, they were only praying.

So, thank you for clearing that up. All right.

So, uh. I think you answered my question. Um, unless you had more you wanted to add. No, uh So Adam was not deceived. He sinned willfully.

That's true. But I think what Paul's doing is illustrating the danger of deception and misplaced authority. Because deception was tied to misplaced authority, and that's what he's talking about there in the context.

Okay. All right.

Thanks for your help, sir, and I will be calling back another time. All right, man, God bless, buddy.

Okay. All right.

All right, now, let's see.

Next long is waiting. That's Christopher, North Carolina, waiting a half hour.

Sorry, buddy. You're on, man. Uh Hey, how's it going? No worries. I know you're a busy guy.

I'm going to try to make this quick.

So, um there is a YouTube channel um called Remnant Radio. I'm not I don't know if you're familiar or not. um with that channel Okay. Remnant radio. I've heard something about it, I think.

Yeah. All right, so so they interview a bunch of people. Um and there was this guy on His name's Toms Wadeworth Wadsworth. Forget how you pronounce it, but essentially. Yeah.

Ye like The The thumbnail was saying you know no worshiping Church, and I was like, What is this about?

So I Essentially what he's saying is is how church is done to the New Testament doesn't back up what How the churches Yeah. Done today, essentially. Um just like How, when you go in, you sing songs. And then there's a sermon. And then There might be a song and you know What he's saying is the assembly of the saints.

is meant for uh edifying one another. Yeah, the purpose of the church there is for the equipping of the body of Christ for the work of ministry.

Alright.

So Paul does say He does say, now here's what it says: Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you with all wisdom teaching and admonish each other with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Colossians 3:16. In Ephesians 5:19, speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord.

So, what we're talking about here is it's called the regulative principle, kind of a loose way of using that term this time.

Some will say that you can only do what Scripture explicitly says, and others will say you can't do anything except. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You can do anything as long as scripture doesn't forbid it. The other one is you can do everything. You can only do what the scriptures explicitly says.

It's not the regulatory principle.

So if I don't know what you guys actually saying, you're repeating it, so it's filtered through your understanding of it. And if he's saying there is no New Testament model for the church liturgy order, that's correct. But there's nothing wrong with having songs, worship, preaching, teaching. And if, and there, I think there should be an opportunity in the church service on Sunday and/or during the week for the movement of the charismatic gifts because the Bible says to pursue them and to seek them.

So there you go. Yeah. Is there is there like a um some kind of like email that I can send you Sure. Like the information I'm talking about. Because I know this is just like literally probably just like a crumb of.

Like 'cause he you know got a doctorate and I was just very intrigued. We said Uh just one last thing. Uh Um yeah I asked you a while ago about uh you know, tithing. Um Yeah. this Right now it's called Kleptomaniac.

Yeah. Tithing and how the modern church, I don't even say the modern church, because It's been five. Apparently from what this guy is saying, it's been a a debate. centuries and essentially How the church has changed the the meaning of Tithe, what the Old Testament is saying, what a tithe is. And what I've heard so much is that pastors Yeah.

Um Use Malachi. to essentially strong-arm Christians into into paying the tithe. Um And uh I think that uh in in and of itself is uh Like I think it's wicked, in my opinion, because you tell people that they're, you know, they're the uh not deceived but they're gonna be cursed if if You don't give God 10% for the rest of your life, but Jesus became a curse for us.

So I don't know how they, you know. works that first. But um People mis misuse scripture, absolutely. Absolutely. Pastors do all the time.

Do you well m last question I'm I'm gonna end here. Do you think The the tithing doctrine has in some way cripples the church. If it's used as a hammer to guilt whip somebody, then it's a problem. And as I teach people, You tithe to support ministry work for the expansion of the kingdom of God. You have the privilege, not the obligation.

That's it. You have the privilege to do it, not the obligation. I will never tell anybody you're obligated to tithe. If I was pastor again and they asked me, I said, You're not obligated, you don't have to give anything here at the church. You don't have to do that.

And if it gets to the point where I would have to get a job in order to continue preaching, I will do that. But you have to understand that you're not obligated to, you're free to. You lay it before God, see what God, and you decide. That's it. Yeah.

Alright, cool. I just wanted to know your thoughts. Yeah, but if there's like a like a form website or something, I can send you that information. I'm gonna talk about like the structure of the new Send it to info. Just go to Carm, info at Carm.org.

Info at CARM.org.

Okay. Okay. Awesome.

Thank you so much, Matt. Have a week, God bless. You too, man. God bless. Alright.

All right, next longest waiting.

Now it's Jamal from North Carolina for a half hour. Hey, Jamal, welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Hey, Ms. Slick, I'm glad to see you have a full line of callers coming in.

That's a good thing.

Well, I'm hoping I like it.

Some days, some days, though. Not so good, but anyway.

So what do you got, man? What's up, buddy? Uh not much um I did want to respond to that earlier caller, the guy on the highway. I'll try to get to him real quick, and I do have a question to follow behind that. Uh so I've dealt with uh personally um uh people like that that want to Split hairs with the Bible and have their own interpretation on biblical authority.

And I give you kudos and props for your patience, sir, because you were trying to tell the guy what was going on and no disrespect to that gentleman.

However, in my opinion, this is not Matt Slick audience. This is my opinion. The Word of God is the Word of God. There are reasons why they are in the Bible, Paul and the rest of them. They have the authority to speak.

Uh um with authority uh on behalf of valid principles. You can't say, well, just because he's a person, that doesn't mean he doesn't have any authority.

Okay, well Jesus is not here anymore. And he appointed people to speak on his behalf. He also told them to go and, you know, with the apostles to speak on his behalf. That's one of the reasons why Christianity spreads so far, and why? Because.

The apostles are speaking on his behalf in other places. You know, Jesus. with them around uh everywhere uh at all at all times and all places. He didn't make clones of himself. He works through the people.

He works through his church. And his people wrote You know, wrote the Bible.

Now, it is God-breathed. He did. you know, through the Holy Spirit work through the people. But we can't say, Oh, well, This guy and that guy, we can't give them credit because then you're going to just tear up pieces of the Bible, and the whole Bible's not going to be holy.

So that's a problem. There you go. Yeah, I'm with you. I agree. Thank you.

And I'm glad the guy calls himself a Christian. It's just that. we we we can't uh tear it up and say this is that and this is this and you know that person has authority. I think what is it? What do guys say?

Either for me or against me. I don't like to be so absolutist like that, but that's what guys say.

Okay, well on to my question, I think we have maybe a minute or two. Um So What about uh women leading prayer groups. and like um prayer services. All right, so This is a gray area and it's tough, and I'm going to just apply general principles. Let's say in a church building on a Sunday morning.

Women are not to be in places of spiritual authority over men. Is a prayer group on that day where sh if she's leading it, is it a spiritual authority issue? It would seem to be No, they seem to be. Because if it's in that building on that Sunday in the the context of the church and she's in charge of it and she's leading and instructing and how it's to be done, that would seem to be problematic. And gotcha.

Now what about What about uh a church ser I mean, uh a Bible study on a Wednesday night? Yeah, I'm going there. Yeah, well, now we have a little more grayish area. Is it sanctioned by the church? Let's say yes.

They say it is. But it's not a church service, but it's still under the umbrella of the church.

Now, is that a teaching authority thing? It depends. Because if she's teaching it, Then it's a problem. But let's just say she's saying, you know, I'm the one here at the house, and I've just got everybody hovered together, and we're going to pray, and the order will be from that chair over to the next one, next one, next one, and praying these things. I don't see a problem with something like that.

It's not an ecclesiastical instruction thing, it's not an authority thing. She's just facilitating. I don't have a problem because anybody could step in and do that as long as they're believers. But it's not the case that anybody could step in and be an elder. You know, hey, well, the elder didn't show up.

You take his place. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. But in something like that, in a house, yeah, you step up.

Okay, I'll do it.

So there's a difference there. And so I would say, in that case, okay, you know, not a problem. But I would like to err on the side of. of doing more than not. Right.

Right, yeah.

Okay, all right, good deal. All right, um I don't hear the music, but uh I'll just break 30 seconds. Go ahead. Well, that's good timing on my part. I'm glad to hear that you're coming to Winston.

I didn't want to come to Ohio and kidnap you. A little bit of love. With love, of course. Hey, you're going to show up at the conference? Uh God willing.

Uh Yes. And yes, Stu, I'm dropping your name on your own network.

So I talked to Stu, and hopefully, we can get something else going. I'm looking forward to seeing you. And just another lovely collection. Uh Kannapolis is north of Charlotte, not north of Bradley. Kannapolis is north of Charlotte.

Okay, I'm getting things wrong. I'm getting things screwed up here. But okay, thanks. All right.

No problem. Hey, God blessing your ministry. God bless your family. And I look forward to seeing you, brother. Take care.

God bless. God bless. There's the music. All right, hey folks, may the Lord bless you and by His grace, we'll be back on there tomorrow. And just have a great time, great evening.

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