Matt Slick Live

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I've been working on articles on a little bit of logic issues, some AI issues, and uh I went and got uh had to run an errand today. And I'm pulling out of a parking lot and I see this church nearby. I never heard of it before.

So I thought, ah, you know, it's only 500 feet away.

So I I just went over and And checked it out. I got out, and there are people there, and ended up there, a bunch of people there. And I said, Hey, yeah, I'm just checking the church out, you know, and never seen you guys before. And they said, Oh, well, we'll show you around.

So they're showing me around and So these ladies are showing me around. Not not a big deal. I mean, whatever. It was a nice church. It would seem to be really nice.

And I and uh I said, Well, I just got questions, you know, I just want to make sure you guys are okay And they go, Oh, sure I said, Do you have any uh women elders or pastors? And she said, We don't have elders Like, what? You don't have elders of the Bible. You know, I just said, well, uh. Really?

You don't have elders. No, we have a committee that we kind of decide things and they're voted in. That's which is totally unbiblical. And I'm like, okay, all right, um, okay. Interesting.

And they said, well, we have women deacons, but we don't have the office of elder. And I'm thinking They can, you know, they don't, you know, someone say I could say to them. And I'm thinking I'm gonna beat these ladies up. But you know, I'm like, oh, and uh I said, really? That's interesting.

You don't have elders. And. He said no, we we'd uh You know, we don't need them. And I've got you know, I'm like, oh, oh, okay. All this stuff running through my head.

What do I say? What do I say? And I said, well, how about this? I said, do. Do your women in a position, do they preach and teach?

She goes, Yeah, sometimes.

Well, that was it.

So. Yeah. You know, can you imagine being in a room with me while I'm listening to talking to people? You guys would be going, okay, here it comes.

So. So, sure enough, I was polite about it, you know, and I said, well, Okay. And uh I'm s what do I say? And uh Okay, that's interesting. And they said, well, we're from the Assemblies of God denomination.

That broke the dam. I said, oh, that explains it. Yeah. You know, I I I I just can't keep my mouth shut sometimes, you know? It's like, uh I just can't help it.

And so Yeah, that explains it. I said cuss. I said this to them. I said, yeah, because the AOG, it's going south. And I said, um, I said, look, I said, 1 Timothy 2:12 and 13 says that Paul said, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority for men, but to remain silent, for Adam was first created.

And uh It's not a social issue, it's not a cultural issue, it is, it was. Anchored in the created order of God Himself.

So I said, they're just staring at me like they'd never heard this before. Oh, whatever I asked them. I asked a question. They'd never heard of it, what it meant.

Well, it wasn't federal headship, because if not, maybe people know, it was something basic.

Something basic, and like what? And I forgot it was. I gotta remember what that was because it was. It was interesting. What was it?

Maybe it'll come to be later. you know Trinity Eldership. Scripture. I can't remember. Anyway, so um I thought it was exciting.

And I said, well, you know, I said, the Bible says to have elders. And in Titus chapter 1 and 1 Timothy chapter 3, Paul's giving instruction on how to behave in the church. They're just staring at me. And it occurred to me, they don't know the Bible, at least in this area, they don't know what Scripture is teaching. Obviously, because they're violating scripture in their church.

And, um,. I said, look, I said, I do this for a living. I answer questions. Teach theology. I said, you know, I believe the Bible to be true.

And I said, this is an important issue. And they're staring at me. And I said, well, 80% in my research, 80% of the churches and denominations that adopt women pastors and elders, I said within two generations they are adopting homosexuality, neither one of them said a thing. And I almost said to them, I almost said, So, what do you guys think of homosexuality? Because I was like, I almost said it, almost asked, because I probably was expecting them to say, well, it's fine, it's just an alternative lifestyle.

That's what I was expecting. It didn't ask. I don't know if what they would have said it was a sin or not. And about that time, their body language shifted to: can you get out of here, please?

So. They were very polite, though. They really were. And, you know, I just said, well, okay, you know, I guess I'll get going. She goes, well, this church wouldn't be for you.

And I says, no, it would not be. I wanted to see things like Because I believe in the Bible. You know, I wanted to say stuff like that, but I you know, it just not helpful. And so I didn't, I just said, okay, all right. I says, okay.

People sometimes ask me what are good churches in the area. And uh Now I know. I just said, I'm going to walk out of here. And so I did. You know My wife, she used to say, I can't take you anywhere.

You know, I'm always talking to people about the Lord and about truth. and uh people get upset with me. You know, they don't want to hear truth a lot of times. I was, what I would love to have happened is for the pastor to even have a pastor, I don't know how it works in that church, come up and say, Well, why don't we have a discussion over this? And I'd be like, Oh, Oh, yeah.

When you want to do that, you know, he said, Well, come back tomorrow for lunch.

Okay, I'll be here. You know, I would love to have done that. In fact, I did do that with one pastor or a An elder at a church, local church here. I did that. And we had a nice, nice lunch.

He was a really nice guy. And I was going through the scriptures. I still remember this. I said, this is what the scriptures teach right here. You know, Paul says, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authorities over men.

Okay? Because Adam was first created. This is not a cultural thing. This is created this is uh resting in the created order.

Well, we just have differences of opinions. And I said, How do you have a difference of opinion with what it says? It's what it says. And I said, over here, I'm pointing to the verses, showing it to him. He says, you know, the elder, the pastor's an elder, 1 Timothy 5:17, the elder is supposed to be a husband of one wife.

How does a woman fit that? You know it.

Well, we just had different interpretations. I'm like, are you crazy? Crazy. Oh, I just remembered something I said to them today. I said I said, the reason churches We have women pastors and elders generally go into apostasy.

Is because they don't take the Word of God seriously. It's like when the devil said to Eve, Did God really say? He cast a doubt on the truth and the authority of God's word. And I said that to him.

Okay.

Now, this is right out of the book by Matt Slick: how to win friends and influence people. Or maybe I should say how to not. Anyway, so there you go. That's what happened to me today. Nice little fun story.

Um There we go. Let's get to. Germain. Germaine, welcome. You're on the air.

Oh, hey, man, it's good to be back. I um Yeah, one to ask a question. I I've ran into some people, had to go to a couple of funeral services and a wedding, so we had got to see the circle of life, but I always found it interesting when someone became a believer later in life and other people keep bringing up past sins. And uh there's there's this common theme of wanting some kind of justice I know God is going to handle all things, but Is someone still forgiven For sins that committed, like egregious, horrible sins in the past, and there's no. remorse or repentance.

but they say they're a believer. Does the Bible even speak on this? That's a tough one. You see, um People can be saved in different levels of sanctification.

So on one hand, you can have a person Um Who may not have any conviction about a past sin or situation that he or she ought to. It doesn't mean such a person is not saved. And um I knew such a person. in our family extended family range, I'll just say that. And this person was uh Claim to be a Christian.

Walking with the Lord made the right confession, but let's just say this person's behavior in a lot of areas didn't show fruit. in a few areas. And I remember talking to the pastor. who married uh that couple. About this.

And I said, I don't see fruit necessarily, not judge of the person's salvation because there's a mixture of this, it's a mixture of fruit. And I said, unless you're to do about this. And he said something very interesting to me. He said, Peop God saves people on different levels. Of their sanctification, and some people are so entrenched in their past wounds.

and problems that they can't let them go. It doesn't mean you're not saved. And you know, that was wise because it was true. And it applies to all of us. That's a general kind of a thing.

It's hard to say which individual is or is not saved or how they're working with the Lord. The only thing we can do is ask lots of questions and then dig down in certain areas to say, I don't think you're saved, or it appears you are, you're just not submitting to God in these areas, and you need to, you know, have repentance and things like this.

So it's kind of a. It's a tough one. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I think I understand. clarify a little bit on You know, I've heard of some people who are severely wronged, maybe things like molestation and sexual assault or just horrible crimes and there's this wanting for justice and in like someone got away and they always have to look at that person even though it may be decades later.

I just always had the you know, it's hard to counsel people like that, but Right. The only thing that kept coming to mind is you know, you know, God says vengeance is his and you will repay. Um maybe that's not as reassuring as some people would like, but you know, as I get older and time starts collapsing the decades, kind of feel like months and Yes, you're going to be headed to just one one way or another. I can understand that, but it seems like a lot of people, maybe the feeling is it is taking too long. I I don't know if that accurately represents a lot of folks, but that's what I keep hearing.

Yeah, there's an inconsistency with those who say, why are you taking so long to fix that person or take care of that sin that that person did?

Well, he's patient on you. How much patience do you want extended to others? And so it's a tough one. You know, you mentioned molestation there, and I'll be careful while we talk about this. Kids might be there, but I knew a guy who had that happen, and he could not forgive the perpetrator, and he claimed to be a Christian.

And he knew it was something he's supposed to do, but couldn't do. Maybe that was an interesting situation. We got a break. Hold on, buddy. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages.

Please stay tuned. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, but welcome back to the show.

I just want to give you guys an announcement, a reversal of a reversal.

So it looks like I will be going out to North Carolina. And It's about 70:30 right now. We've got to make my wife and I have to make some arrangements, but she says she wants to go because now that means she can go with me and we can do that and I can get out there. And so it's like the weekend of the 15th, 16th, 17th of August.

So it's like in two and a half weeks or give or take.

So now that I found that out, long story short, found it out. And so I need to make some quick plans and do some stuff. But I just want to let you guys know.

So if you want me to speak at a church, if you want me to do something, stop by or whatever, email me at info at carm.org. Info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Do it today. Let me know. And we can arrange some stuff.

I have to buy tickets to get out there and how long I go. I'm going to rent a car and go up to Salem, went some Salem, and see the radio station. That's a plan. And unless something happens again, but that's the plan. And so I'll be teaching at Connecticut.

which is north of Raleigh. And uh That's it. I'll give you more details later. Let's get back on with Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome back on the air, buddy.

All right.

Okay.

But Yeah, man.

So I I um And I understand, you know, everything whether we think it's good or bad, it does fall under the category of sin. Yeah. as far as I can see there given There's various sins.

Some people have really displayed also records. and just trying to assure them and I guess you know I'm doing my best, but it seems better. kind of pale in comparison with some of these horrific accounts I've had. But Just always pointing them to what God says in his Lord that He will repay them. Would that almost be like an act of faith to actually believe that part?

Yeah. Yeah, we uh We walk by faith a lot. And there are certain areas we can't understand, and we can't look into people's hearts and judge them. I'm just glad that the gospel is powerful, the gospel is complete, the gospel is what saved me and saves others, and that God saves people in different levels of sin. Different levels, and he works different levels of repentance in them because a lot of it is just up to the individual to.

Submit. A lot of times people can't submit. The issue of salvation is strange. It's a spiritual thing. And it's far more complicated than we know on God's end, not ours.

We just believe, we trust in the Lord Jesus, and He justifies us. But what's amazing is. The continued I don't have to say it, the continued grace that he shows. to us. in that he Saves us in different levels of our sanctification relationship with Him.

And He endures with us in so many areas.

So it's a generic kind of a thing I'm trying to talk about, but. Yeah. I'm with you, man. I get it.

Okay.

All right, well yeah, I think our exhaustive baby appreciated. Your answer is to be back. We'll discuss some theology with you. Amen. God bless.

Appreciate it. All right.

Okay.

Sorry, God bless you. All right.

By the way, I've been going on TikTok two or three times a week now. uh opening up a room and go I can go live now and and then I just sit there and people come in and then uh we go through things.

Sometimes we get some obstreperous individuals, uh recalcitrant, they uh it's interesting, the ones who are most guilty of this are the young males. Um these young guys in their eighteen, nineteen, twenty to twenty-two range, they are all exuberance and no wisdom. And then when you ask them to slow down, they accuse you of incapacitation, of mental problems. And then they demand answers. There's some real interesting developments lately that I have seen among so many of the people who hold to Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.

It's as though they are angry people. And they don't like, I guess they don't like the idea that I call those two churches false churches because they are false churches. And they want to defend their churches are true, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, but it's interesting. And so I'll probably be on again tonight doing that.

And if you guys are interested in finding out about that, you can just go to TikTok if you're already on. And just look for my name. Vanessa or Carm or Matt Slick. C-A-R-M or Matt Slick, either one will do. Let's get to Patrick from North Carolina.

Patrick, welcome. You're on the air. Uh hello, Matt, and uh how are you doing? Doing alright, had a busy day already, but uh I'm I'm sitting down doing radio. What's up, man?

Last Friday, you were talking about baptism at Acts two hundred and thirty eight. And you were almost explaining as if it couldn't have been possible The water baptize that many people. My question is. Couldn't it have been the baptism of the Holy Spirit that took place there? And not water baptism?

Yeah. Uh it certainly appears that it's water baptism. Um But then, um, you know, you calculated it, how it had been too cold and the How would they have done it then if if if they couldn't physically do it according to your calculations.

Well, the calculations, and for those who don't know, to baptize 3,000 people in eight hours, 12 disciples would take one every two minutes, roughly. And you can't do it any place really other than the river Jordan, which is cold. And you get issues of hypothermia. And there are certain logistics that are problematic there.

So, generally speaking, in the Bible, when people are washed with water, the water is applied. When they are sprinkled with blood, the blood is applied to them. When they're anointed with oil, the oil is applied to them. When they're baptized with water, consistently, it would seem to be that the water is applied to them. And we know this kind of thing is consistent with Scripture because we see that the.

Priests who would go to the Tent of meeting in the Old Testament at the door would be washed with water. They didn't strip down naked in the door of the sanctuary there. They would have the water applied to them ceremonially, and it's consistent there. And there's some other things I can show.

So, logistically, how would this have been done? There seems to be something in the Old Testament about taking hyssop branches, which would grow by the shores of the Jordan, dip them in water, and then you could sprinkle people, which is consistent with the anointing procedures of the Old Testament that signified covenant relationship.

So The way things work in the Old Testament was the object or person was anointed or sanctified with the element applied to that object or person. That is the model of the Old Testament completely. And so, for example, when it says, Jesus says in Acts 1:5, that John baptized you with water. You will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not too many days from now. And if baptism there means immersion, it's problematic because the Holy Spirit is poured.

That's the Old Testament-style prophecy when God pours the Spirit forth upon you, when He pours it on mankind. And so it seems to be that the word baptism there in the second sense necessitates pouring. And then later in Acts 2, you see the issue of the charismatic gifts falling, and then they're told to get baptized, which is a covenant sign and stuff. There's more to it, but there's a break. We'll be right back, folks.

After these messages, please stay tuned. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome back to the show. We have Let's see, three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Patrick. All right, Patrick, there you go, buddy.

Yeah. Well, um, you know, Peter said they were baptized in the name of Jesus. Wouldn't it be fair to say that if Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit, then they were baptized by Jesus? Wouldn't that be fair to say it when he said the Matthew 28 command is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Why did Peter.

say baptized in the name of Jesus. Maybe it's because They were baptized with the Holy Spirit by Jesus. Same with Acts 19, where Paul meets up with the disciples. Um he they were baptized In the name of Jesus.

So wouldn't that kind of make sense that it was a w a baptism of the Holy Spirit at Acts 238? No, well, yeah, well, you're switching all kinds of stuff. Acts 2:38 is the baptism of the Holy Spirit in reference to the charismatic gifts. That's what the context is in Acts 2 and also in Acts 10, 44 through 48.

So, some think that baptism is what gets you saved. It's not true. But, nevertheless, the reason they get you. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is what saves you. Would you believe that?

Yeah, if we say baptism of the Spirit is the regenerative work of God, but is concomitant with the imputation of the righteousness of God to us by faith, Philippians 3.9, Romans 4.5.

So it's not just one thing, but it's the whole of that.

Now, about being baptized in the name of Jesus, in the culture. The phrase in the name of meant by the authority of.

So, for example, in Acts 4, starting at verse 5, on the next day the rulers and elders and scribes were gathered together in Jerusalem. And Annas, the high priest, was there, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and all who were of high priestly descent. When they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, by what power or in what name have you done this? Peter filled with the Holy Spirit, says, you know, we're on trial, but by the name of Jesus Christ, a Nazarene, whom you crucified, we say these things.

So that's the name, in the name of Jesus. By what name? By what authority? Whose authority are you doing this under?

So when they baptize in the name of Jesus, they're baptizing in the authority of Jesus. And to do that means you say, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

So the phrase, in the name of Jesus, is by the authority of, but in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit is reminiscent of the Trinitarian reality.

Okay? But uh Matthew three eleven, you know Um John the Baptist said, I baptize you with water, but the one coming after me will baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus.

So, um You know, like you had mentioned in Acts. One where uh Jesus said, For John baptized with water. But in a few days you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. Wouldn't that make sense that only John John the Baptist baptized with water from those two phrases? Mm.

No.

Now, I will prove you wrong. I know your position. We've had many discussions on this.

So now I will prove to you that you are incorrect. Prove we go to Acts 10 44. While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.

Then Peter said, Surely no one can refuse the water for these two be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he? There you go, water baptism right there. No, because Peter was acting like a Jew and he gave them a ceremonial washing, old Jewish custom, which was wrong. That's why Paul was chosen to go to the Gentiles to correct Peter's mistake.

Okay.

I got a question for you. When you look in the mirror and look kind of like sideways, do you see anything? I You know, like a hole in your head. Is the Catholic Church the building or the people in the church?

So look. Look, we've had so many conversations here, okay? And I prove things to you and You continue to deny the truth. You deny the Trinity. You deny Jesus as God in flesh.

You deny the truth of Scripture. I can only do so much.

Okay, and it's just ridiculous. You refuse, you refused God's word. You refuse it. We're done.

So, ladies and gentlemen, you may not know who that guy is. He and I have been having discussions off and on for years and in different venues that I will go in. He eventually shows up. And he denies the Trinity, denies Jesus as God, and says basically baptism is the tears of repentance. It's just it.

Uh And so there's only so much you can put up with after a while. You got to say, I'm just done.

So you can tell. It's an interesting phenomenon that I've met people like him, more than just him, but people who can't see. I don't know what's happened to them, but mentally, emotionally, spiritually, they've snapped. And no matter what you show them, they don't believe it.

So, proof is different than persuasion. Proof is different than persuasion. Just because you can prove it doesn't mean people are going to believe it. People believe what they want to believe.

Now this is a spiritual issue. And this is why we need to pray for people and say, Lord, please save this person. Please open this person's heart. Please open their mind to believe the truth, to see the word of God. And in Luke 24:45.

Okay, I'll check this out. A lot of people say, well, it's just up to your free will.

Well kinda. And so uh after Jesus rose from the dead Uh on the road to Emmaus, I mean uh Mm-hmm. They wrote to Emmaus in Luke 24: the disciples were there, and Jesus appeared to them. And They didn't really recognize him right away because their eyes were beheld. But something interesting.

occurs in verse forty five. Then He, Jesus, opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. He opened them. to understand the scriptures. Who did this?

Jesus did it. Check this out, Acts 16, 14. Or is it 1416? Yeah, sixteen, fourteen. Mm-hmm.

A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshipper of God, was listening, and the LORD opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.

Now, I got a question. I got to think about this a little bit. I was talking to a guy on Saturday night. He was a rabid, foaming at the mouth, growling anti-Calvinist. He was 18 years old.

And he had all wisdom and knowledge because he knew what the truth was. And he said that God, in Calvinism, the God of Calvinism, forces people to believe against their will. I said, that's not the position. Oh, yes, it is.

So he was just going on like that, you know, and I'd say something. He'd go, no, that's not true. And so this went on. And uh So it reminds me of that conversation, right? We finally had to get rid of him because it was just, you know, it's like a rabid anti-Calvinist.

And he was going to the Catholic Church. He was gonna join the Catholic Church, if I remember correctly. And so uh you know that explains a lot. It does.

So here's here we go.

Alright, so This is what you know I ask people. I ask people, well, why is it then? that God open the heart of Lydia. Couldn't she just do it on her own? Why did Jesus himself have to open the mind for the disciples who had been with him for years.

I mean, wow. He had to open their minds to understand Scripture.

Now you think about that one. I mean, I could just see Jesus with them, you know, rubbing his forehead, squinting his eyes, you know, as they're going, what? What? Rose, what? You don't I could just see it.

Like, you know how much? How much is Jesus got to put up with people? He shows them the scriptures, he shows the miracles before them, he says he's going to raise himself from the dead. They know all this stuff, and they're still so thick-headed that they can't get it. He's got to open their minds to understand scripture.

I know better. It opened up mine. And this is what gets me because a lot of times people think, well, you know, it's just up to your free will. Really? Then why did Jesus happen to open the mind of why was it necessary?

He had to open the mind of other disciples to understand Scripture. Uh And sometimes when I'm talking to guys, and I make these arguments and stuff like this, sometimes I've been doing this lately. You give me feedback if it's a good idea or not. I'll say a couple things I'm doing now, going next because we're done. It's over.

You know? And there are times I'll say uh it's like shooting fish in a barrel, but I'm getting it getting a little feel guilty about this is too easy. Because you're trying to make it entertaining for the other people, you know, a little fun. But I mean, it it just c that's what it says. You know, it's easy.

Biblically speaking, it's easy. When you just say God Your word, that's what I believe. Instead of this issue of my free will, my ability, God would never do such and such because. I know better. Horn.

That is the foundation for arrogance and heresy.

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Two zero seven two two seven six. Let's get with uh Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt.

My question today is, how would you respond to a Catholic or Orthodox who would say that Jesus and the apostles, although they never Uh Mentioned prayer for the dead, how would you respond if they say, Yeah, but also Jesus and the apostles never. said that praying for the dead is a sin. How would you respond to that? Yeah, never said that eating pie after your wife looks at you with a frown on a Tuesday is a sin either.

So the Okay, it's a fallacious argument to say that he didn't say that was a sin.

So it's called the argument of silence. It's a weak theological position to hold.

So you could say anything.

Well, it doesn't say wearing sneakers is a sin either. I guess we could do that. Or mankinis to a theater or a church service. Doesn't say you can't wear one of those either.

So there's all kinds of stupid things you could add into that.

So, the issue here is what I would do at this point is I trick them, or I try to, and I say, well, you know, I don't think you should exceed what's written in the Word of God. The Bible doesn't teach doing that. I don't think you should exceed what's written. It says, you know, you only seek the living. And if they say, no, no, you can do other things besides what the Bible says, then I've got them.

Because it says in 1 Corinthians 4:6, now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that you in us may learn not to exceed what is written. And so. I say, there it is. This is the admonition to don't exceed what's written. And then I say, also, let's go to Deuteronomy, I think it's, let's see if I'm right, Deuteronomy 18:10.

Okay.

There shall not be found among you any one who makes his son or daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practises witchcraft, one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or the one who casts a spell, the medium of spiritists, or calls up the dead.

So, the idea of seeking the dead is. In scripture associated with spiritism, mediums, casting spells, sorcery, interpreting omens, and witchcraft and divination.

So I tell the uh the uh the the Deceived Catholics, the deceived Eastern Orthodox. I say, you don't believe God's word. It's not your authority. That's why you're deceived to believe these things.

Well, we're not deceived, you are. And I say, well, um. At least what I believe is found in Scripture, God's word, which the Bible says is worthy of correction and proof and admonition, so the person of God could be equipped for every good work. I said, you're going after the voice of a different master, a different shepherd, your church, your tradition, your so-called sacred councils, etc. Yeah, so sales.

I have a follow-up question. Sure. Is so um Uh Uh right when uh you had you had uh uh answered the phone, I was typing in this question on Google. I had because I was doing a little bit of research before I called you, then I typed this in. I had typed in.

Did one Cyporus die before Paul wrote Second Timothy? And it says, yes, most commentators and scholars believe that once Apphorus had died before Paul wrote. Second Timothy, and it says in Second Timothy one eighteen. Yeah, it's seen by many people as Paul praying for his dead soul because In first, in 2 Timothy 1:18, it says, May the Lord grant that he will. find mercy from the Lord on that day.

You know very well in how many Please he helped me. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you know, sometimes when people bring that stuff up, I'll go, hey, did you hear that? You hear that? And they'll say, hear what?

You know, that verse, man, like ripping sound, like a verse being ripped out of context. Did you hear that one? Did you hear that? Wow. Um Yeah, you know, what they're doing is in their desperation to support their.

Heresies. They will look to the scriptures and find anything they can to substantiate their heretical false views in their apostate churches.

So you know uh it it's just ridiculous and You know, it says, May the Lord grant mercy to the house of Onisipras.

Well, where's the sage praying to them? Where's the sage praying for them? We'll just say that.

Well, you see, if you look at the third logical system, but while you're while While you're balancing on one leg facing the North Star at night, then you can see what it really says. Because that's what basically they're doing. I just get so tired of the I do, I get tired of hearing over all these years, hearing the same old malarkey given to me by these groups. Different cults and false religious systems where they twist God's word and make it fit what they want. And they read into a verse like this: Grant mercy of the house of Onisiphras.

That means he's being prayed to or for. What? In the d what? Where'd you get that? Doesn't say that!

You're so desperate. And uh gosh. You know, that's what I want to say to them. Stop. Stop it.

Everyone knows stomach stomach Let's just stop it. After bad exegesis. I can see my child. Stop it! No, don't do it!

The Veronio.

So that's what I feel like saying to them. Before I forget, because I've been forgetting to bring this up to you over the months.

So, like.

Sometime last year, I had told somebody, I thought of a new way to help explain the Trinity to people. That don't understand it. And the person that I explained it to, she thought that it was the best explanation that she ever heard. And so I want to hear what you think of it.

Okay, so.

Okay, I'm ready.

Okay, so Think about Okay, okay, so think about how in science there's the theory that there might be parallel universes out there, how there's infinite ones. I love that when I do that, I nail them with it. But anyway, go ahead. Yes, but instead of thinking about infinite ones, think about just three. Just think about ours and two others.

So in this universe your Matt Slick. And in the other two universes, you're also MetSlick. All three of you are are are the same uh Are you your are you all Matt Slick? But Also, at the same time, the MetSlick and Universe Two and Universe Three. is also Not the same match slick that I'm talking to right now.

It's not the same. is not the same person, but it is Matt Slick. at the same time. Um You see you see you see see where I'm getting at here? Uh-huh.

Now, I appreciate your you trying to think Um Logically. with illustrations. That's good.

Now In light of that, what if there's five universes or seven universes? What if someone comes back to you and says, well that matchlick in the third universe isn't a true Christian believer?

Now what do you do? And so you're opening yourself up to potential difficulties. Show them. Either. Then you get into the category how does a category Oh.

It's more advanced thing. Categories. and universals. And how can you have a single identity across different Universes and are they the same individual?

So, someone who is a little bit philosophically trained or astute could ask start asking questions and it would just fall apart. And I'm not trying to discourage you, I get what you're doing and. If done properly, it can be helpful. Illustrations and analogies are meant only to basically address one point. And if you are narrow in that one point and you specifically say that, that makes sense.

Okay, so there you go. I use the analogy of time because I'll say time is one thing, but there is within time past, present, and future. And they're distinct from each other, and the way we recognize their distinction is by their relationship to each other: one's past, one's present, one's future. And I said, that's how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in the one being who's God. They're distinct from each other in their relationship to each other.

And that's simple. And um It's also quick and slick, okay? Yeah. Yeah. All right.

So I'm not trying to discourage you, okay? I'm not trying to discourage you. I want you to think like that because we need more thinkers, more people, more Christian apologists who will stretch. The boundaries of logic, imagination, or as I should say, imagination. That's what SpongeBob would say.

And so back in the day when our kids were young, we have SpongeBob Saturdays.

So keep it up. But this is what you got to do when you do this kind of thing. You got to think, you always have to do this. What are the problems with it? You just think of those problems because someone's going to bring them up.

And then they're going to think of problems you never even thought of. It's like, wow, I never thought of that one. It happens to me a lot, especially when I'm saying something to my wife. Yeah, it does. She goes, What do you think about that?

Uh And I point behind her. She looks, and when she looks back, I'm gone. Yeah, that's how I do it. Yeah. Do you have anybody else on on the line or am I the only one?

You're it, man. We got uh three minutes left. Go ahead. Uh Yeah, so like so like it's like uh another thing that I've been uh uh are thinking about lately is is a maybe is a maybe trying to trying to get my arguments together For why For why we should, for why all Christians should stick to the Bible instead of like going to the apocryphal book of Enoch. for for an explanation on on how God sent the angels to the abyss because because most Christians think that that that story is not in the Bible, but Ryan Peterson proves in in in uh his book Judgment of the Nephilim that the book of Ezekiel actually does talk about how God sent those angels.

To the abyss. It talks about them in a similar way that Ezekiel talks about Satan in Ezekiel 28. He uh he he uh simultaneously talks about a human man while also talking about the the fallen angel. Yeah. Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, yeah.

Uh-huh.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's in uh it's in uh Ezekiel thirty one. And in uh Ezekiel thirty two talks about talks about the uh return of that uh angel uh in the end times. And that's when uh you see the pit open up in uh Revelation nine and that and that angel is a a Abaddon or a Polyon. Oof.

Hey, I like it, man. You're thinking a little outside the box. That's right. I wonder what your box looks like. Is it a trapezoid or is it kind of like crumpled?

But as long as you're thinking outside the box, that's good.

Okay? I like that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because we got a lot of teachers out here like Sean Griffin, who's pushing the book of Enoch and saying that it's essential for understanding how God sent the angels to say this.

And it's not essential because we have the book of Ezekiel that talks about it. Right. And also, there's a lot of facts and truths that are in other books, that other books that the Bible cites. There's over 20 books that the Bible references, but they're not inspired. But it doesn't mean that there aren't facts or truths within other forms of knowledge in other areas.

So Jude might quote the book of Enoch, but it doesn't mean Enoch's inspired. It means what was quoted that that's accurate over there, just like Paul quoted Erastus and Menander. That's correct. What they said is correct in this area.

So. Yeah, there's a lot there and um And and good. See, you're thinking, man. You're thinking. That's good stuff for you.

Yeah. All right.

Cool. And there's the music. Oh, okay, man. That's the music.

Sorry, buddy, we're out of time, man.

So you get the call back tomorrow, okay?

Alright, have a good one. All right, Elijah. God bless. Okay.

Well that was a laser. Oh like j. And if you want to give me a call, tomorrow, you gotta wait. And may the Lord bless you and by His grace, back on the air tomorrow. And have a great one, everyone.

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