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You can give me a call, or you can email me, and we can talk. Let me just jump on the line here and get to Alan from Virginia. Alan, welcome, buddy. You are on the air. Hey, Matt, how's it going?

Oh, it's going. Little tech challenge at the moment, but uh. Just working through some stuff. Oh, here we go.

So, what do you got, buddy?

So I wanted to try to start creating an outline for my theology. And I know you recom and I know you recommended um to do that previously a few times to me. Yeah. And I want to give it the college try at least while I have the motivation for it. And um do you What do you use in What would you recommend for someone who doesn't want to use Google or Microsoft products?

Or this? Uh well, I I'd know what to tell you then. Uh they have um They have there are other besides Google and Microsoft, but you can go to Microsoft you can go to office.com and you can get free access. You can go to Google Docs, you can get free access. They're library Li lib libre, I think, is another um Is another one you can use, Libre.

So Libre, it's an office thing. But the thing is, I really recommend you use something that you can get access to on your computer, your phone, online, because you want something in the cloud that you can then access. And if you do all this work and your computer crashes, you will lose everything if it's not cloud-based or backed up somehow, some way. Trust me, I was a computer tech for years. And one of the big things I do is back everything up.

I back stuff up two, three, four times. Absolutely. Yep.

So gotcha. I would strongly recommend you do that.

Okay, makes sense. That was one thing, too, is like I definitely want to be able to access it on the cloud, but Also, for example, if I need to go somewhere where there's not good signal, I'm not going to really be able to use the cloud.

So I want to be able to access it, say, from my phone, download a file I made or something.

Alright, what you do then is um Yeah. Uh let's see. Um I'm thinking here, what you have to do Dropbox has the ability to download stuff onto your phone. I have Dropbox on my phone, I have Dropbox on my computer, I have Dropbox online, and Then you can create documents inside of Dropbox.

Okay, I'm thinking here. There's different ways. This is what I do.

Okay, I had to kind of put my head together here.

So. I believe wholeheartedly in the idea of backing stuff up. Back stuff up. Do it all the time. Always have it backed up.

I used to be help desk. I used to work. In tech area, and I used to have a saying to people: if it's in one place, that's all it is, you are going to lose it. It's just a matter of time. That's all it is.

So, what you want is something that won't. That won't be that you can't lose like that.

So, I use Dropbox. There's other kinds of cloud-based things you can use, but Dropbox is what I use. And for the ministry, and we have people who then have access to varying folders and things like that.

So, what I do is I use Microsoft Word. I used to teach it. It's the best. If you want to do indexing, if you want to do table of contents development, it's the best. And I would just recommend that you use that.

You can go to office.com and you can do stuff too. In office.com, they have OneDrive. And that's like Dropbox.

So you can sign up in OneDrive. And get an account, pay a little bit of extra, and get some more storage. You're always going to run out. It's not very much. And then you can, if you don't have Microsoft on your, you know, downloaded as an install program, you can go to office.com, sign up for an account, and you can have everything on the cloud.

And it's browser-based and it's very good. And so then what you could do is have all of your stuff there and your outlines inside of Microsoft Word through Office.com that's backed up on OneDrive. And then you can just access that on your phone or your laptop. It doesn't matter. You just need the access to the OneDrive.

And then you can use Office.com. It's free. It's online. It's awesome. That's what I would do.

Okay. And then probably have it on backed up on physical storage media separated from my computer and stuff occasionally and whatnot. Always. You need to become paranoid about it.

So, you know, I've been writing for decades, and I literally this morning put a four-terabyte M.2, replaced a two-terabyte M.2 drive. It's a hard drive, but it's not a hard drive, it's a SSD. and it looks like a r like a a ram uh slot. Uh A DIM, it's called a DIMM, D-I-M-M-M.

So I put that in there because I was running out of space of my two terabytes. Of course, I use a lot of stuff, I do video, do a lot of stuff, and now I have four terabytes. And So I have Dropbox there and I can access everything online in Dropbox. I can access everything access it on my computer and literally Here, I'll maybe see my computer even. I have my backup M.2 right here, lit literally in my hand, where it has my information on it.

Informa your your files are more important than your computer. Absolutely more important. Oh, yeah. If I were to run out of the house because of a fire, I would take this one drive. I'm running out with that.

Let everything else burn. It's the information. I replaced the computers. And if you have everything on the cloud, basically it's not going to be lost. These guys, they have super backups.

It's just not going to happen. It's going to be lost unless there's our country gets invaded by EMPs, electromagnetic pulses and everything, everywhere's wiped out.

Well, then that's just the way it goes.

So that's what I would do. And you can use OneDrive, you can use Dropbox, you can use Carbonite. I've never heard of carbon. What is that? It's another backup program, and it costs money, and like Dropbox does, but it's more expensive.

But you can backup entire computers and your C drive. You can do all kinds of stuff with it. It's more advanced. But what you basically want is just... Free Space to back up your files online.

Go, for you, I would just recommend using OneDrive and go to Office.com. sign up with an account, And that's it. And it's really good. It's really good. I used to teach this stuff.

I had a job for a few years teaching people how to use these programs. Uh back in San Diego. And I love computers. I mean, I would marry them. That's how much I love them.

They're so awesome. I can do so many things with them. And so that's what I recomm recommend. And then you use the word outline and do a video on how to do it. You know, how to just look.

It's easy. It really is easy. And then that way you will have your information. And if your computer blows up, Who cares? Your information is still there.

Okay. Oh yeah. I I I have an ISO file right now for Windows until the end of life in October, which I'm going to be switching to Linux before then. Um is if I need to actually just nuke my computer. Uh I don't know if Linux has an emulator or if it'll read.

Uh if it'll read office stuff. It's just research. You know, will Linux support Office.com? You know, I can do it right now. Let's see.

Okay. Will Linux, or does it, doesn't matter, Linux support. It depends on distro. That is a lot. There's a lot of stuff out there and you have s you know layers and stuff like that and different uh overlays but um While it isn't a native version of Microsoft Office desktop, For it, users can access 365 through the web browser.

Additionally, some users utilize Wine or crossover to run Windows versions of Office on Linux. And so, here's another thing: answers.Microsoft Office 365 on Linux is possible, but You know, you're just going to take your chances and what you can and can't do. But for the most part, these things are very user-friendly. Another option I think is um you can do just do searches for Alternatives to Office, Microsoft Office, online, and Libre is one of them. See if Libre works with Linux.

Just do your research. That's all. And that's it. And if it operates in a browser and Linux has its own browsers, I don't know, I haven't used Linux before, but you know, I'm familiar with the concept. But if it has its own browsers and it can use office.com, then you're fine.

Okay. So I but here's the thing. I'm nerdy about this kind of stuff, and Um For me, because I do this for a living, I want my information as easily accessible. in as many ways and formats as possible. And you know, I'm a Windows guy.

People have tried to get me to go to Mac, no thanks, or go to iPhone, no thanks, I'm Android. But I back stuff up ridiculously. I could take my box of hard drives, old hard drives. Spinning hard drives, and show you how I got dates on them from things I back up, even though they're backed up on the cloud.

So I'm you know just kind of Overly cautious about it. I've lost too much information over the years. And so, uh, It depends what you want to do. If you just hate Microsoft because it's the Borg, well, okay. But if you want something that's going to be reliable and Microsoft Office is fantastic, Excel is oh my goodness, Excel is fantastic program.

It is. It's one of the best programs ever invented. It is so incredibly useful. I used to teach advanced Excel. And so I use Excel a lot, and I use Microsoft Word a lot, all my outlines in Word.

And I know that it's going to be forward compatible, and I know that I can use it on Office.com, and I know I can use it by. uh on my computer, on my uh folding phone. which I use a lot. All over the place. And I have OneNote also, Microsoft OneNote.

And I use that exorbitantly a lot daily. And so when I go to bed at night and I'm working on syllogisms, I will open it up and I will just write down a syllogism.

Okay, here's this P one, P two, P three. You know, do a chain syllogism or whatever it is, and I'll work on them. And then when I come back to my computer in the morning, I can just go to OneNote and I can work it. 'Cause it work OneNote works better on my phone than does Word. Just a little bit.

And I have, you know, I want to figure out the. Because I use Graphene OS and there's some It's a little tricky to get some things to work. But I'm trying to get more open source types of apps If I do have any apps on here. Yeah, uh but um You know, I use everything. I use speech recognition programs, I got Bible programs, I've got everything.

I can't go to Linux or things like that, but Uh And overlays. But it just looks, you have to decide where you're going to be in three to five years. And will you regret doing a different something? That's all. Make sense?

Yeah. All right. I appreciate it, Matt.

Alright, buddy, call back when you talk some more. I love talking tech. All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages talking to Elijah. And but the Catholics praying to Mary.

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We can get to you. Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, uh I I saw your your uh live stream with Kelly Howard the other day we guys talking about Catholics and you know them praying to Mary and uh Right now I That was very interesting.

And you had said a couple of things on there that I thought. I thought that was very blasphemous, like like one of the quotes you gave where they said, I think you said that uh Catholics the C the Catholic source said that Mary atones for our sins, or something like that? Yes, it's in. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott on page 213. And this book has the Neolobstadt and the Imprimater, which means it's basically acceptable officially, etc., by the Catholic Church.

And it says Mary, by her entering into the spiritual sacrifice of her divine Son, made atonement for our sins. Yeah. Oh, that just that is so blasphemous. It is. Yeah.

And uh In our Bible study, have the Bible study once a uh a month and um We have a couple that came over. They came out of a cult actually. It was really interesting. We had a discussion about various things, and the missus said something interesting as I was describing stuff about Catholicism and and the Holy Spirit. And she said it's like the the Catholic Church is replacing the Holy Spirit with Mary.

Because she has feelings. And so you go to one who has feelings. The Holy Spirit is more relational. And I thought that's good insight.

Well, I know, and I've already written the idea that the Catholic Church replaces Jesus with itself, where the Catholic Church is the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody comes to God but through it. And I need to write an article along the lines of Mary's abilities as they relate to the Holy Spirit to see how much. congruity there is there. But, yeah, the Catholic Church is blasphemous in so many ways. It's blasphemous in its Eucharist blasphemous in its doctrine of Mary.

blasphemous in its uh idolatry. And its gospel message is blasphemy also. Yep.

Yeah, um Um So like I've I've I've I've I've heard Some some people say before that, um, the the the passage in I I think it's I think it might be X 20. I can't remember exactly where, but it's where. Huh, yeah. Yeah, is that where policy Yeah, yeah, is that where Paul says that he's he he's worried about uh wolves from among the the church that might Yeah. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, not sparing the flock.

Yeah, the Catholic Church is like that.

So is the East Orthodox Church. I say this routinely and I'll I'll I'll debate it. I'll defend it. The Catholic Church teaches a fal and the East Orthodox Church both teach a false gospel, teach of have a false priesthood and a false Mary. Absolutely.

Yep.

I've heard some Catholics say to me in the comment section saying that the Catholic Church's priesthood can be traced back to ancient Judaism. Have you ever heard that before?

Well, yeah, it's what it is. It's Old Testament priesthood. See, In the Catholic Church, the priest Has special garments, that's Old Testament, has special authority. That's Old Testament. Offers sacrifices.

That's Old Testament. You go to the priest for intercession. That's Old Testament. None of this is in the New Testament. There are four priesthoods mentioned in the New Testament documents.

And the The first category falls under the Wow. How to put this, the old covenant. Where it talks about the chief priests, the high priests, and things like that.

Well, this was the way things were done before the crucifixion of Christ. The crucifixion of Christ differentiates between the old covenant and the new covenant. That's Hebrews 8:13, Hebrews 9:15 through 16.

So after the death of Christ, the new covenant is instituted, and we, the Christians, are in the new covenant.

So if We are to look at the scriptures and we're to say, What is New Covenant writing? It would be all writings that occur after the death of Christ.

So even the Gospels, in a strange way, are both old and new because the Gospels are written, you know, well, after Christ resurrected, but. Like uh When the Gospels record the death of Christ, that is the differentiation between the Old and New Covenant.

Well, the Gospel of Matthew, for example, has the crucifixion in it.

So everything before that crucifixion is, in a sense, Old Testament style. And after it, now we have New Testament revelation and New Testament stuff. And then the epistles are that which clarify what's going on. In the new covenant.

So the new covenant contains two priesthoods, just two. The priesthood of all believers, 1 Peter 2:5 and verse 9, and then the priesthood of Christ, Hebrews 6:20 and 7:25. And so in Hebrews 8:4, it says that you can't be a priest if you're on earth. Because it's talking about the Mochatholic priesthood. It won't be a priest on earth.

Well, the other priesthood is the priesthood of all believers. That is the new covenant priesthood differentiation: the priesthood of all believers, the priesthood of Christ. That's it.

So The Catholic priesthood is Old Testament style. And I've written an article on this. And it proves that they're still under the law. They've not died with Christ. They're not under the new covenant.

They're under the old covenant. And it makes sense to include in that their works righteousness. You've got to do good things according to the law in order to be saved. Paragraph 2036, 2070, 2068, out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

So. It's all blended together. I'm just kind of thinking out loud as I'm processing more of this, but the priesthood of the Old of the Catholic and the East Orthodox churches are it's Old Testament, not New Testament, and therefore it's false priesthoods and it's bondage and it is blasphemous.

Okay. Oh, okay.

So yeah, so so so it's In a way it's similar to the The modern Hebrew roots cult where they like to blend old covenant with New Testament.

So yeah, it sounds like that. That's right.

So, uh Okay, what's the marrow controversy?

So, anyway, that's what it is. Theologically speaking, There's just two covenants. Works, faith.

Now that's an oversimplification. works faith. Old Testament works. New Testament faith. Old Testament law.

priestly sacrifices All kinds of works you got to do. New Testament Is just faith in Christ what he did. That's how you're to see the differentiation between the old and new covenants. It's very simplistic, but it's accurate. And so, anybody who'd have one foot in the Old Testament and in the New.

Is thereby not in the new covenant. And we can go to Galatians 5, I could talk about that. But that's what's going on. Hey, we got a break.

So hold on, buddy, okay? We gotta play the music.

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All right. Let's get back on with Elijah.

Okay, Elijah. All right. So, yeah, Catholic blasphemies, there's lots of them. And Eastern Orthodox blasphemies. They're blasphemies.

And I debate these guys. I have regular discussions with them. And what's really interesting is they don't really care what the scriptures teach. They they don't. I had a discussion uh Yesterday, I think it was, I was walking around the block, did four miles, and I put it on my headset, going to chat rooms, talking to a Catholic, and you know.

They don't care. Don't care what the word of God says. No.

Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Yes, so I have another question.

So I had I I had looked up on Google You know, you know, who the woman in Revelation 12 was. And it says that there are three interpretations. It's Israel, the church, and Mary. And then there says there's also a fourth interpretation. Where there's triple symbolism, where some people believe that the woman in Revelation 12 actually represents Mary, Israel, and the church all at once.

So so uh what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, the idea of it being Mary is just ridiculous. It says this in verse 1 and 2: A great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet, and with her head and on her head a crown of 12 stars. And she was with child and she cried out, being in labor pain and pain to give birth.

Well, in Catholic theology, Mary didn't have labor pain because it's part of the curse. And her immaculate conception means that she was not born with a sin nature. And so she's not going to experience the curse, which is Childbirth paints, but here it says it's childbirth paints, it can't be Mary. I mean, this is like so easy. It's like, excuse me, you know, I'm just shooting fish in a barrel here.

And then I say to people, next. You know. That's what I do.

Next. It's over. Yeah, I've never I've never s uh in and like the debate debates between uh Protestants and uh Catholics, 'cause like sometimes I'll go over to uh William Albert's channel to to to like see him bring on Protestants to like debate him on certain topics. And like I've never heard uh Protestants bring up what you brought up before, and that's interesting. And like and like William Albert, he always goes to uh this verse to pro just try to prove that uh Revelation To try to prove that revelation told about Mary, he always goes to verse.

five was uh she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with a Iron scepter, and her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. And then he always asked the Protestants: Wasn't it Mary that gave birth to the Yeah, and uh there was she was with child childbirth paint, so that means she uh was not immediately conceived. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And this guy, I know who he is. I debated him. He was one of the worst debaters I've ever encountered. Rude, illogical. Demanding, interruptive.

He was just horrible. A lot of people just say he was one of the worst, and he was. And then the Catholics say he trounced me, beat me really bad, and he didn't. But what he does is he doesn't really listen, doesn't really learn, and he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag if it was the open end was on a NASA centrifuge, spinning around. He couldn't get out.

Okay. Yeah, Yeah, he doesn't know what he's doing. And there's a lot of Catholics like that because all they are, they're idolaters, unregenerate idolaters, the ones who. Purposely propose and defend official Roman Catholic theology, they're unregenerate idolaters.

Okay. Yeah, I I remember I I remember one time I was like I had started to give an open mind to what Catholic was saying about. Praying to the saints and intercession of the saints. And as I started to get closer and closer to it, something in me just was like, this right here isn't right. I think that was probably the Holy Spirit telling me that.

Yeah. Well, you know, um It's it's really simple. You know? It's really simple. The Bible says that God elects.

He predestines. And so he does. It's not based on anything good in you. And it says that Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross. Colossians two fourteen.

It's not cancelled when you get baptized. And they say baptism is part of salvation, and this is where you get your sins forgiven. It's just ridiculous. They're so full of just flagrant misrepresentations idolatrous, unregenerate reasoning. In so many ways.

I go through and and talk about it all kind of different ways. The Catholic Church is just an apostate false religion. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Do you have time for one more question? Or do you have somebody waiting? We've got somebody waiting. Tell you what, he's from UK and that'll be a longer call. Why don't you call right back, get back in line, okay, buddy?

Or if you want, just stay on. I'll get to him, I'll get back to you. How's that?

Okay. Okay, just hold on then, okay? All right, now let's get to Mark from the UK. Hey, Mark, welcome. You are on the air.

Hi, hi, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Yes, I can. What do you got? Fantastic.

Well, I just want to say that I've been a long fan of the work that your ministry has been conducting I've been a keen follower for the last ten years. And I've also digested a lot of your material. I've been following not only just yourselves, but also Tony Mi Arno. who is also a great educator. in this field.

And I do have a I remember asking him a question a couple of years ago. I asked him about, you know, the nature of the Trinity. which is often used as a polemic by anti-Christian groups or Right. People looking to convert Christians into another religion that doesn't focus on Trinitarian nature. Um and he said that even though God's nature is complicated, uh it is still knowable.

Um And so I guess my question is Ultimately, is this one is How do we make verbal concept of Trinity more knowable to normally to non-Christians who may be considering Christianity, Or even for Christians who are unfortunately for one manner or another in a denomination that's not.

Well, I'll tell you what. When we get back to the break, I'll tell you. I'll show you an easy way, okay? All right, buddy.

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All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. And let's get back on. With Mark from the UK.

Okay, Mark, you ready?

Sorry about that, man. Got things going. Oh, I'm ready. Let's go. All right.

So the analogy I use, and I say, look, this is an analogy, this will help you. Say, God is one substance, one thing, that one thing is triune. It's simple. Time is one thing. It's just one simple thing, time.

But time has different aspects to it, past, present and future. We discover their differences in relationship to each other. There aren't three times. There's not time is a different, past is a different time than the future. No, it's all time.

So I say the Trinity is just simply one thing, and we discover the differences in the persons by their relationship to each other, and, of course, to us. That's why we start off. It's simple, okay?

Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because I've always um approached it with, you know, in in in conversation with people, Um I just um making it clear that three can be part of one whole and one whole can be part of three. For example, you know you're a man, you're a lawyer.

Well, I try and yes, I understand your point. I would stick with the time analogy because it's It's better because you can get into what's called modalism and partialism by the other analogies you're kind of getting into. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that's definitely one analogy. Uh but uh if some if you bring up that analogy, have you ever let's say yourself, I'm sure you've spoken to a lot of people?

uh regarding this, but have they ever presented the id the possibility or the idea of conflict? In The subdivision of free, as they'll put it, as in You know, why would Jesus pray to the Father if He Himself is also the Father? It's not the father. Uh Right, right, right. But they will essentially say They would say, Well, is he praying to himself essentially?

You know, they'll say that.

So, therefore, trying to. Yeah. That's that's the oneness uh that's the oneness cult that uh y um adopts Nestorianism.

So he was not praying to himself. The person of the son was praying to the person of the father. One of the things I will often say to people when they're arguing against the Trinity, and I have to say it politely, and I try to, and I often will preamble it by saying, Look, I'm not trying to be insulting. They'd say, look, I'm going to be insulting when I say I'm not trying to be insulting. But I'll say, you don't really understand what the Trinity is.

It's not what you're saying. I'm not talking to you, but I'll say to them, I'll say, it's not modes, it's not parts, it's not what it is, and it's not three gods. And I constantly will tell people that's not what it is. I also say the Trinity is not arrived at or refuted by a single verse. It's arrived at by a systematic approach of looking at the whole Bible.

The Trinity is true or false based on that systematic approach. And then I said, you know the systematic approach. And they don't they never see that all the time. Yes, exactly. I see that all the time.

But they'll pluck a verse out from. Yeah, whichever book. Uh and then say, see, this clearly contradicts. A voltage Model, and a person obviously says they're a Catholic or they grew up Protestant, but they Haven't read a Bible in the last 20 years, or you know, they're really not Christian in any respect, and so they end up becoming. And then they're open to the interpretation of someone else.

And I. You see videos online of it all the time, and I'm like, oh, geez, you know, really.

So easy.

So easy.

So really, that's my question.

Okay. A time analogy is excellent.

So thank you for sharing that with me. It is because people get their concept of time, it's just one thing. That's it.

Now, it's not a perfect analogy. No analogy is. But I say we recognize the past, present, and future because they're distinct from each other, but they're all of the same nature, time. What? And we all understand it, you know.

And then, you know, height, width, depth. You know, we live in a trinity of trinities. Yeah. Spaces liquid depth, and yeah, and then we have a solid-liquid gas and things like that, yeah, and three sets of threes, but at any rate, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Free sets are free. Fantastic.

And okay, so just one little mini question, just Jar, landing off of that last point. Is it Is it a detriment then if you speak to someone who Is clearly intoxicated with the idea of just there just being one God, just one whole. Oneness. Uh to just say you know, at least very fairly, that, you know, God's nature in reality at least from the Christian perspective. From the right Christian perspective, is that it is a little bit more complicated than just a simple oneness.

Is that something that you could admit without detriment to yourself, to your argument? Or should is it better to stay away from using words like complex? It depends on how you use the words and if you define the words. What I have discovered is that I can introduce words and concepts ontological trinity, economic trinity, parachoresis, divine simplicity, and I'll find that people won't understand them. And that's okay because these are, you know, More more deep theological uh examinations.

And so, you know, I use them, and when I do, I will explain them. I'll say divine simplicity means that God is simply one thing, just one thing. The one thing is triune. That's the one thing that the one God is. You know, just talk like that.

And uh Definitions are Incredibly important. And so don't Let someone just ramrod over the issue of of of something and um And pontificate of why the Trinity can't be true with 15 sub points. I say, no, I can't do 15 sub points all in one breath. Please give me one point. Let's address one thing at a time.

That's that's how I handle those. Yeah. one point at a time and um And not to Get too invested in one particular verse if they pull it out and then say, Well, look, see, see, this is the reputation. And it's like, well, I mean, come on, that's. You you're looking at seven words.

you know, seven words out of a of any one Bible, we can't just you know, put the case down. and close it based off that alone. Um, at least off of that very nature.

So, uh, I see it online all the time. I spoke with the people who have gone through that as well. And I mean you know the reality is that a lot of Christians are not are not are not equipped with any sort of apologetics material. They have no polemics. Ready to go.

um at a moment's notice. And sometimes you really do need that because you get into a conversation or you come away doubtful. You come away with less faith. And that, yeah, it's a big it's a big one. Yeah, and what I want to do is get into conversations and start teaching Christians what this stuff is.

I want to provide. I've got to find a way to get this information out and produce it. And what I need, I need help. I'm just, this is kind of you and everybody, but I need someone to come alongside where they'll say to me, Matt, just sit in front of your computer and teach and teach and teach and give us the files. We'll put the videos together.

Because it takes an awful lot of work to do the video stuff, and I have to do everything. And, you know, I want to teach. And like, I'll probably go online tonight, either on TikTok or some other media and just start answering questions. And I like to do that. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Mm-hmm. And there's always there's always simple questions that come up. every time.

I mean, if you look at dower tables in in London, for example. They've got very similar questions. uh or refutations around uh certain pieces of of of you know, commonly accepted. uh Christian theology, where it's from the Catholic perspective or Right.

So and V there was reoccurring, they've got a manual for it. Essentially. Tell you what?

Well, at least it seems like that. Tell you what, invite me over. I can raise the funds to come on over, and if some churches want to get together, I can teach, I can have seminars, I can do debates. And I'm serious. I've always wanted to go to England.

I've never been there. Flew over it once. Oh, really? Hey. Yeah, go, hey, look, it looks like England over there, you know, at the plane window.

And just like the map.

So it's true, you know. That's what I saw. It was great. It's true. It's true.

Well, I mean, look, you're definitely the expert at what you do. I'll say that. I mean, I've been closely following you guys ever since I was a. Back in school. Um so yeah, my hots my hats off to you and uh Yeah, we need as much help as we can get here.

But thank you very much for answering my question and enjoy the rest of your day.

Okay. Thank God bless. No problem, man. God bless. It's alright.

Yeah, folks, I do. I want to just be able to get as much information out as possible, but I don't know how to do it. I can get online and I can do a video thing with 100 people show up. Oh, okay, that's nice. And I'm not mocking that.

That wa that's praise God, you know, and half of them will be Will be deniers of the say the Trinity if I'm teaching on that. I want to find a way to get this information out as broadly produced as possible. I'm just not sure. Maybe some of you have some ideas.

Some stuff I don't know about. I mean, we're doing radio. I want to do different kinds of radio and want to do different kinds of satellite T V also. There's a lot I want to do, and I just need I need help! Need a lot of help to get this stuff going.

All right, let's see. Um Okay, let's get to Bob from LA or Louisiana or wherever. What's your what's up, love? Hey, man, how you doing? I'm doing alright.

All right. So what do you got? You you planned to stay Trinitarian, huh? Yeah, I do because I believe in continually believing in the true living God. That's why.

Yeah, I that that would be the only good reason you could possibly have, but I think you're confused. No, I'm not. You are. You're the one who's been confused. I've refuted your arguments numerous times, and you just continue to ignore the Scriptures, what the truth of God's Word says.

That's what I don't think that's true, but that's what you think. No, it's true. It's true. You don't understand biblical theology. You don't understand who Christ is.

You don't understand who God is. And you repeatedly go back to things that I've addressed and refuted from Scripture. And you just continue to go back like a dog to the vomit. That's what the Proverbs talks about. As a lot of people are like that.

That's what you do. You need to repent. Who was it that talked to Abraham and made him a promise, Matt? That was God. Who made Jesus a promise, Matt?

Who made Jesus the promise? Depends on which context and who you're looking at. You have a verse you want to look at? No, I I believe Gabriel made Mary a promise, right? I don't know, did he?

Yeah, in Luke chapter one, Gabriel told Mary, your baby. Uh we'll get to be the king. I will be Israel forever. That's a prophecy, not a promise. What is a prophecy if no it's not a promise?

Well, a promise does not necessitate a future event. A promise can simply be, I'm telling you the truth. I promise. I'm telling you right now the truth. Where a prophecy is something that will happen in the future.

So they don't always Uh say the same thing.

Okay. Okay, I'll give you that. They don't always say the same thing. That's correct. But God's promises are prophecies a lot of times.

Yes. It's true. And he's promised and he's promised a lot of things and he's gonna do it. But anyway, yeah, he's promised that those who deny he's God in flesh will go to the lake of fire. No, that's not what he promised.

Absolutely. Yeah, Revelation 14:11, 20:10, Mark 3:29, Matthew 25, 46. Jesus taught these things. And the scriptures teach these things. And if you deny, continue to deny who God is and who Christ is, you will go there.

I don't want you to go there. But I don't hate you.

Well, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. I'm glad you don't want me to go there. Yeah, you ought to go. I read.

Matt, God anointed Jesus of Nazareth. Have you seen those words in your Bible? Yes, because he's made under the law, Galatians 4:4, for a little while rolling in the angels, Hebrews 2:9, because he emptied himself, Philippians 2:5 through 8. We are out of time. There's the music.

And call back tomorrow and we can talk. And then we get to Will from Pennsylvania. A question on Mormonism. I didn't know it was this late, but we can get to you, Will, if you want tomorrow.

Sorry about that. Hey, folks, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you. And by his grace, we'll be back on the air tomorrow. Lord willing.

And we'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.