Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. If you want to give me a call, as usual on this beautiful day, today is let's see, July 14th, 2025. If you want to give me a call, you can. It is easy.

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So we had a good weekend. I'm working on some articles and doing some other stuff. And by God's grace, I hope to be able to continue to do that.

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So, uh Okay, I hope that hope the audio's good. Not sure what's going on, but it should be working in the feed and some other stuff. Let's see. Yeah, I think it's working now. All right, we do have a caller coming in.

And good. TikTok uh ban. For a week. I guess I get back on tomorrow. My band's over tonight because we actually broadcast last week or so to.

The radio show he broadcasted to TikTok Live. We're not gonna do that anymore. I'm not gonna do it during the show anymore. Because the callers call in and then they'll say things that are against TikTok rules. Because you know, it's run by the Chinese.

And but the only reason I'm on there is to witness and to spread the gospel. That's it. Otherwise, it wouldn't bother. Just like on Twitter and on Facebook and on Instagram and things like that.

So, what we're going to be doing is going into Hopefully, going into the capacity of being able to send a feed simultaneously. uh to all kinds of of um Social media platform so we can not only do the radio show, but in the evenings, I want to start doing something once I get a couple things I want to do. One is just to get on and feed to a lot of the places and just do QA and refute things like the false doctrines of Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, you know, Mormonism, Islam, things like that. And Also, I want to start I have my first guest lined up. I'm going to start on the first and third Tuesdays of each month.

I'm going to interview somebody for an hour where just in their area of expertise. It'll be theological. The first guy I've got lined up is. He's a great, how to describe him. Trevor's his name, and he's a great expert when it comes to the issues of of uh of Judaism and how many people are coming to Christ and ministries and things that he does.

It's really interesting. Uh there's a lot of people coming uh A lot of Jews come into the faith. In fact, for those who don't know, there's a lot of Muslims coming to the faith as well. There's a ton. Of Muslims, particularly in Iran, they're so sick of the oppression there that there are thousands that are coming to faith.

Also, I I've heard recently Watching a video about it, they estimate 50 to 75,000 mosques in Iran have closed. people are becoming Christians.

So praise God. And maybe we'll get somebody who knows about that. I'm going to interview them as well. And if you have some good people that you want me to interview on a variety of topics, just send me an email. At info at carm.org, info at C-A-R-M.org, and we can, you know, contact information.

We got to do all that kind of stuff to get them and make sure that they'll come on. We can schedule some stuff to do like that. Maybe do it live also. That way, people can answer, ask questions during the show. All right, let's get on the air with Charlie from North Carolina.

Charlie, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah. Hey, brother, my wife had a question about if a woman feels like she has a message from God. Can she preach the main service?

No, not if she's a no, not preaching.

So here's how it would be: a woman is not to exercise any authority over men because Adam was first created. This is out of 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13. Pastor is an elder. That's 1 Timothy 5:17. Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3, the elders are to be husbands of one wife.

So they can't do that. That's just what the biblical position is. Let's say, though, that she thinks she has a message. That is from the Lord, which is fine because women can get words of knowledge, words of wisdom. Then, what she needs to do is go to the elders of the church, and then the elders can judge it.

And if they think it's worthy of being mentioned, they might have her come up forward and give a word if if in their judgment they think it's legit and they want to do that kind of thing. That would be how I would see it would be le it be fairly done, okay?

Okay, okay.

Okay, that was my wife's question. I had a question real quick about the pre-incarnate Christ. Sure. the plagues that were upon Egypt and when Moses In cat. Was that the stuff of Mount Sinai?

Right. Would that be a preincarnate Christ or the presence of God the Father?

Well, uh I would just say it was the presence of God.

Now, You know, Jesus Jesus claims that name for himself.

So Generally speaking, when we see a human form of God in the Old Testament. It's not an incarnation, it's a manifestation. would be the reincarnate Christ. The Father dwelt an unapproachable light whom no man has seen nor can see. 1 Timothy 6:16.

So it would not have been the Father. And the Holy Spirit typically appears as wind and fire and things like that.

So. I would say that burning Bush was just generic and such God and leave it. I want to ask you that.

Okay.

Okay, okay.

I had thought that when, okay, it's like, say, when Joshua met the man with the sword and bowed down. That would that be Okay. Have that been Jesus. Pre-incarnate Christ. It wouldn't have been Jesus, but the pre-incarnate Christ.

And yes, I'm sorry. That's all right.

So when. When Joshua bowed down, that was definitely the preincarnate Christ, right? Most probably it was, because there was physical contact and he appeared in the form of a man.

Now Jesus by definition Came into existence 2,000 years ago. And what we mean by that is that the union of the divine nature and the human nature, that union occurred 2,000 years ago. And the attributes of those two natures belong to the one person, and that one person is Jesus.

So the pre-incarnate word existed in the Old Testament, and that's just a manifestation. But the incarnation is the joining, not the joining, but the in union of the divine and human nature, hypostatic union.

Okay.

Okay, okay, good. And one more about, let's see, the angel with the voice of God appearing to Gideon.

Okay.

What do you think about that one? About that. I had to study it, but uh A voice out of heaven.

Now we know that the Father speaks out of heaven at the baptism of Christ.

So That means then that a voice out of heaven theoretically could be the Father. But I had to look at the context. But you know, it says the angel of the Lord.

Now the question then is, what is the angel of the Lord?

Well, some people say that angel automatically means a created being, but not necessarily. Angel means messenger, a deliverer. You could have the pre-incarnate Christ appearing as a messenger form conveying information, and it could be called that angel of the Lord.

Now, what's interesting is the phrase angel of the Lord occurs in the Old Testament and only one time in the New Testament. I think it's one time. My Bible program on here. And angel, I can find the reference. Uh And it it does occur.

Okay.

He got his program. Yeah, yeah, I have a big Bible program.

So an angel appears in different places, but the f- Yeah, I got lots of stuff. Let me do a fr here. I've been doing a check. Angel.

Okay.

So in John 5:4, for unangel of the Lord went down. And Luke 2:9, an angel of the Lord, Luke 1. I'm looking for the angel, the Lord's what I'm looking for. And. Let me see if I can find that.

At least look in the English, the angel of the Lord. And I don't see it.

So the reason I'm looking is because every word means something in the Bible, the way it's arranged, the way it's not arranged. It's all by God's design.

So we see in the Old Testament, I do a phrase, a search for the angel of the Lord. First occurrences in Genesis 16:7. And then it occurs in. 16, 9, 16, 11, 22, 11. It goes on and on and on.

But the phrase, the angel of the Lord. Uh doesn't occur in the New Testament.

So that's why. Oh, wait, do we? Oh, that's right. Zechariah 3:6 is the last one. And.

Oh, no, no, no. I was right. There is one place. This is in Matthew 1:24. And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took Mary his wife.

But I think the word the there, a definite article, is simply linguistically constructive and not phrased. An angel. Yeah, it's just in an angel, and then it's referenced to him.

So it doesn't. The reason I'm bringing this up is because the angel of the Lord may very well be a pre-incarnate Christ. And we don't say that in the New Testament. That's what I'm saying. Of course, Jesus is here, was here then.

Yeah. Potential. Why didn't Moses get to enter the promised land? Because he struck the rock twice.

Now The rock that followed them, 1 Corinthians 10, 1 through 5, the rock that followed them was Christ. God said, strike the rock once, because the rock represents Christ. Christ was struck once. What this is in reference to is the crucifixion, his death. He struck it twice, disobeying God, and it was typologically representative of who Christ was.

That'd be one striking. And what that generally means, the whole ordeal of his trial crucifixion is one event. And so he disobeyed God, struck it twice, and that's why he couldn't go to the promised land.

Okay?

Okay.

Well, we're going to not take a bit more of your time. I love you, man. I thank you for what you're doing. Hey, no problem, man. God bless.

God bless. All right.

Okay, God bless. Yeah. Bye. All right, now let's go over to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome in.

You're on the air. Hey man, happy Monday to you. Yeah, I wanted to ask about the King James only movement. I know the position that a lot of them take, and I fell into that briefly years ago, and I thankfully got out of it. We got a break.

Hold on, man.

Okay.

Sorry. It happens. We got a lot when you call.

So we'll be right back, folks, after these messages. We'll get into the issue of the King James Bible. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you're going to do is dial 8772072276. Let's get back on with Jermaine. Jermaine, brother. You're back on the air.

All right, yeah.

So, where I left off was the King James Only movement. I actually fell into that years ago. when I was younger, but God opened my eyes and I realized the King James Version was actually a translation itself. Right. It's solid.

I love it. I use it as a base of everything. But there were a couple of issues and some of the people who composed The organized scriptures kind of admitted or alluded to that in the beginning of the book, but. I find a lot of people are still stuck on We lose you. Stuck on Okay, so hello.

Well, I can comment on that. We lost him, though. Um So the King James only movement is the movement that is based on the idea that the 1611 King James version is typically leaving. Oh, there we go. We're back.

We lost you there for like 15, 20 seconds.

So go ahead. Yeah, it was just, you know, the King James-only movement. I love the King James myself.

However, it's a translation. And I see a lot of people are still they're still stuck on the King James version being you know, just direct from the hand of God and You know, Paul, Paul carried it around and that kind of stuff you hear. Yeah. It really makes no sense. But I heard a young man.

What prompted me to call is I heard a young man preaching. early twenties and he's on fire for the Lord and all. And But He comes from a deep southern type church where they're they're stuck on it's only King James. And nothing else, otherwise, you're you're pretty much borderline heresy and right. I really thought he came up with a tradition that taught him that, but that's that does not seem biblical and In reality, it is going to take a variety of our versions of the Bible.

For you to get like a whole picture because it's a translation in itself. But how do you rebuild a lot of this stuff? I know you've written articles, but. I just can't see how people can't understand. This is just a translation.

Well, one of the things I'll tell them is I say, so the 1611 is the inspired in English Bible, right? And they say, yes. And okay, so that particular version is the one that God ordained, is perfectly translated absolutely. It's better than the Greek and the Ma and the Hebrew manuscripts. Is that correct?

And they'll often say yes. And I'll say, how do you know that? And then they don't have any way of justifying it. Because to translate something, you need the original documents, and you know, so the Greek and the Hebrew, the original. and yet you only translate it out of that.

So there's no way to verify that the King James is is good in his translations.

Now what I'll often do is go to Romans 5.18 and I show how the King James just m royally messes that verse up. And it does. And it it It's bad. It's a very critical verse. And I go through and I show it to people and I say, if it's so perfect, why does it get it so wrong?

Why does it add words that are not even in there in the Greek or even implied? It's just not there. Why do they do that? And I know why they did it, under the theological reason. And they'll just say that I don't know what I'm talking about, and that the King James corrects the Greek.

And I say, how do you know the King James corrects the Greek? Because the King James is true. And how do you know it's true? Because it's the King James.

So now we have circularity that doesn't rest in the authenticity of God's original writings, but now in a version from the 1611 area. And I'll say, okay, well, let's go a step further then.

So the 1611 is the right one. Are you using it? And no, they're not. Because the 1611 version is hard to read. And if it's inspired, as it was in the English, why are you not using it?

They are not using it at all. Uh In fact, I think the uh Um What was it? I want to say there was a 1680 oh man. No, 1769 is the uh when the the one they think they use now.

So they're not using the 1611, they're using the 1769. And I show them that, and they don't know what to do. You know, I just say, well, that's just, you're wrong.

So if it's inspired into English, you need to use the English one from 1611. And it's really hard. Yeah. Uh you'll have uh It has long S forms, it has double letter wor misspellings, it has you know, anyway, it it just it just doesn't work, okay.

Okay.

And yeah, like I said, I do like the King James Biden algorithm. Like any translation, there's issues. I mean, if you play that game, it's like, well, why not go to a Geneva Bible? Yeah. something where eight hundred years ago it it just starts to get a little steady even more though.

Right. Documents were the Texas Receptus was for the mostly the 12th and 5th century documents, but the modern translations are hundreds of years. They've used documents hundreds of years older than that, so they're going to be more accurate. And the general rule is that the older manuscripts are more accurate because. Errors, copyist errors creep in very, very, very slowly and very minor, but they creep in through the centuries for varying reasons.

Well, the older you you get, the more close to the original you are, and that's what you want. And so the King James goes with uh um li limited manuscripts, textures, receptus, uh from uh it was like uh two to four, five hundred years manuscripts before the sixteen eleven period. Where now the modern translations use fourth, fifth, sixth century documents.

So Which is better?

Well, it's obviously the newer translations. It's just stuff like this, they make lots of. illogical claims. And to elevate the translation over the originals is just. Dumb.

It just seems you lose all credibility when you say that. You lose all ability to be able to verify if it's true or not. Then it's just an act of faith, and then it's like a cult.

So it's a problem. 'Kay. Finally, would it just be fair to say as long as Doctrine isn't altered, other versions are perfectly fine?

Well, yeah, uh but you see now you've got to be careful. You don't want to assume that the doctrines that as long as the doctrines aren't aren't altered, the other versions are fine. That presupposes that the 1611 is the right one with the right doctrines everywhere. And that's the mistake: is that the older documents are the original. That's what we've got to make our doctrines align with, the original documents, closest to the original as possible.

So I could make the case that in two areas I know of in the King James, one of them lessens the deity of Christ, undermines it in Titus 2:13, and the other one. In Romans 5:18, it inserts interpretation. and not translation. Completely inserts it because the translators failed to understand what God's word was teaching. And I've shown this to people, and it upsets the King James-only people, then they call me names.

So, you know, I get called all kinds of names. I've been called so many things. Heretic, moron, stupid, idiot, you know, Trinitarian wacko, uh, Calvinist slime. That's the best way of conveying an intelligent message is to insult yourself. Yes, and then and then they'll they'll attack me based on my last name.

Make fun of me because of my last name. I'm like, well, that's pretty good. You know, I'll say students say, never heard that one with my name before.

So, anyway, have fun. All right, buddy?

Alright, thanks a lot, bro. Appreciate it. All right.

God bless. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned to be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Cody from Ohio. Cody, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how you doing? Oh, I'm hanging in there. Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy?

Okay, so there's a bunch of there's been a bunch of billboards that's been popping up all around the area. From um W L C dot or g And what they claim is that Um, if you can look it up, you got your computer, I know. Um, you can look it up. It's They've got four different billboards. The one that's preminent or prevalent is that Jesus is not God.

And then it says Scripture says Jesus did not pre-exist in heaven. And I think it's. It's a cultic one, probably from either Mormonism or Jehovah's Witness. And uh they're They're pretty much anonymous. I can't find out who WLC is And I don't know.

These billboards are going up everywhere, and I think it's a big lie that's maybe deceiving people, especially people that don't know scripture, because the billboards say scripture says, but they don't quote no scripture. It just says scripture says. And I figured maybe you might know something about it. You're pretty wise. Pretty wise?

Well, that's a mistake on your part, but I can fake it, kind of. I have a calming voice. I have a calming voice. People tell me this.

Well, if I just say it with authority, it sounds better. All right.

Yeah. So, World's Last Chance: a non-denominational volunteer-run Christian ministry. Sabbatarian practices. Oh, dude, you just You just lit a fire underneath me. I'm going to research them because I know the people are going to be looking at them.

Crazy. What's that? I said they're flat earthers too. There's been a big So here's my other part of the question, is there's been a big movement of anti-Semitism and Flat Earth. like like nature, like within the Christian community.

I know. Flat earth is the the categorization of of uh theological categor categor categorization of stupid. And um it's easily refutable. And I have something I say to the flat earthers, and they can't refute it. It takes two minutes to explain it, and it's just they're done.

But uh It's easily refutable. By looking at the moon, I could tell you guys if you're interested.

So that's it. And this world's last chance thing, I'm going to look into it. I'm going to look into it and see what it is. Yeah, I'll be. I'll be listening uh you know whenever you come on the air, I'll be waiting to hear, and maybe I'll call back and ask you about it in a week or so and a couple of days.

I don't know what your schedule is like, but Seven hundred and forty three thousand likes. you've had. on Facebook.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm gonna uh I'll check 'em out.

Okay.

I will One uh one more before I go. Um And I've been following them for a couple of years now since they came out. And they're kind of anonymous, also. I haven't really figured out. who exactly is running the show.

But I'm pretty sure you've heard of them. Messiah twenty thirty. Yeah. Messiah 2030. No.

Messiah twenty thirty, huh? Go to YouTube. They've got four videos, a couple of videos up now, but they're doc. They're um and it's all scriptural based. I'm convinced personally Um because because of the scriptures and how it's revealed that you'd have to indulge and watch.

It's a couple of hours worth of your time, but I think it's very well worth it at least to get your opinion on it.

So they s say that Jesus coming back in twenty thirty?

Well, it's it I mean on on the surface it looks like that of course. And that's the end game, so to speak. But there's a lot of in depth Um so it's Let me just say that on their their disclaimer is that it's All of this. Science and the data and the historical documentation and the evidences within the Bible and without the Bible. Um they are all based on the premise of 1 Peter, which is a day with the Lord is with a thousand years, and a thousand years is the day of the Lord.

You know, people take an idiomatic expression and make doctrine out of it. They've got to be careful. Um.

So uh there's you know, I I study eschatology a little bit and I have a a view called depreschatology, things that get really bad, depression. Um and I use the two age model.

So let me ask you, h have these guys, so since you've been listening to them, have they mentioned the two age model at all? Yeah. Not that I am aware of. What's the two-age model? The two-age model is the eschatological position Jesus and Paul the Apostle taught.

And I was taught this uh forty years ago or so. And it's always been in the back of my mind. I've written an article dealing with it, and basically it's this age and the age to come. the two age model or the two ages that's And so, when you go through, you find out that certain things happen at the end of this age. And when you do that, and it's not cryptic, like, One day is a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day.

And over there, it's mentioned three times.

So that's 3,000 years, which you know for the beginning, which has to be 6,000 BC. It goes to 3,000. That was the Egyptian pyramid, which really, really means, and they do stuff like that.

Okay.

I just, you know, go away. Yeah, I don't think this. I don't think Messiah 230 does that.

Okay.

But I'm saying that this thing with the two-age model is not like that kind of a thing at all. It's what happens at the end of the age. What happens? You know, and certain things. And it tells you at the end of the age.

And the day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night is when the new heavens and new earth are made, and when the rapture occurs, and the return of Christ is there. And that's by the by that model, okay? And so lately, when I meet eschatological positions or encounter them, I want to know if they use the two age model And or if they deal with it. And if they don't, then my first opinion is their eschatological view is incomplete. Because for example The uh The last day is the judgment of the wicked But it's also the resurrection.

But the day, the judgment of the wicked is also called the day of the Lord.

So, the last day and the day of the Lord are the same day when the resurrection occurs, which is also when Jesus returns, which is when the rapture occurs. And so, and it's also the end of the age, which is when the judgment of the wicked occurs, and the elect are gathered to harvest. It all looks like it's going to happen very quickly, all at once. within an hour or two or a day, or something like that. And so, I know this is not a common view, but that's what this does.

It shows that. Yeah. So I'm going to check it out. Uh-huh. you're probably gonna agree with a lot of what Messiah twenty thirty reveals and shows.

And there's a lot of parallels within the Old Testament and Yeah, seriously. And then let me see let me know what you think about it. Owe something. Make something on Facebook or a YouTube video about it. Yeah, there they've got a lot of videos out to see the main one that that if there was one that does the teaching, that I can send an AI to go in and do a transcript analysis, then I can import it and then I can ask it to summarize it.

And it does pretty well. I can do it with two or three, and then I can find the combinalities between them and then go in for you know and look at contextual uh statements, make sure everything's good.

So um yeah, I need to look at So some prophecies appointed the year of his return in 2030. It had all been hidden in plain sight for a thousand years. In 2030, that means that in five years Jesus is coming back. But their temple has to be rebuilt and the uh Other things have to happen.

So I'll check it. You know, I'll see if I have time to check it out among my many other things. Let me know. going order too. They got part one, part two, the date and hour, no one knows, and then part three, and then there's actually a FAQ.

So All right, sounds good, thanks. Appreciate it. All right, mate. Yeah, I appreciate you taking my call.

Alright.

Okay.

Have a good one, brother. All right, you too. All right.

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Everybody, welcome back to the show. All right.

Oh, last segment of the hour already. Let's get to Patrick from North Carolina. Welcome, you're on the air. Hi, Matt. Hi.

It's kind of a coincidence The world's last chance. I'm not with that group, but I believe Jesus wasn't God. And uh My question is uh And that's why you're going to hell.

Well, um You know, you believe that when the word became flesh, that was Jesus. Right. Yes, that's what the Bible says. We beheld His glory, Lord, the only begotten. Yeah.

Yeah. And uh When the word was with God, If Jesus is the Word, And Jesus was with God. How can Jesus be God? Because the term God, you have to understand the reference there, that He was God is talking about His nature and His essence, that He's with God, showing the distinction within it, which is consistent with the Trinity. It's one of the Trinitarian verses.

that we use. Yeah, but that don't make sense because at that point Jesus wasn't the hypostatic union.

So it says the word. It says the word. The word. It doesn't say Jesus. It says the word was with God.

Well, you can say that the word. Hold on. Let me answer. Let me answer. And the word was with God.

The word was God. That's what you're talking about in John 1:1. Later it says the word became flesh. That's the hypostatic union.

Okay.

Yeah, but then h how can Jesus be in the Old Testament if he was born in the New Testament?

Okay, Jesus came into existence as the one person with two natures. That union of the natures occurred 2,000 years ago. The pre-incarnate Christ, the pre-incarnate word, manifested in the Old Testament. For example, in Exodus 6, 2, and 3, where it says, God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am God Almighty, and I am Yahweh, and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty.

So let me ask you something. When it says God appeared to Moses and said that he is Yahweh, claims to be Yahweh, and says he appeared as God Almighty, do you believe that it was Yahweh who appeared as God Almighty to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Yeah, I believe that it was God Almighty, not the same.

Now, here's the question: Because Jesus says that in John 6:46, that no one's ever seen the Father at any time. Paul says in 1 Timothy 6:16, he says that the Father dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see.

So, who are they seeing in the Old Testament who's God Almighty, but not God the Father? It had to be God Himself. I mean, God Almighty. Let's go let's try it again. Jesus says in John 6, 46, No one's ever seen the Father.

He knows about the Old Testament appearances. Paul says in 1 Timothy 6, 16, the Father dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen, past tense, or can see.

So, Who were they singing in the Old Testament is God Almighty, but was not God the Father?

Well, I'll ask you a question. The hypostatic union when Jesus was on earth. He's 100% God. Did the apostles see God?

Okay, it was a person of Christ. I asked you a question. This question is like a hole punch. A hammer, metal hole punch, into your theology, punching a big hole in it. Each time I hit the hammer it gets bigger.

God Almighty appeared in the Old Testament, It was not God the Father. Who is God Almighty? Who's not God the Father? Come on.

Well, I can't answer it because I wasn't there. You can read the scriptures. You don't have to be there to understand what the scriptures say.

So that's just an excuse. I've read you this, or I quoted you the scriptures.

Okay, Hebrews 6.2. Or I mean excuse me. Exodus 6:2 and 3. God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am Yahweh, and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty. For you, that means it has to be God the Father.

But Jesus says no one's ever seen God the Father. John six forty six. Paul says the same thing in First Timothy six sixteen.

So again, here's the question Who are they seeing in the Old Testament who's God Almighty, but not God the Father? I don't know. Let's go to here we go. Here we go.

So here's the thing. Here's the thing. What I'm showing you. Is what you do the same that other cults do. When I raise this kind of issue up and other issues, it cannot fit into the theology.

It proves their position is wrong. It proves it's wrong. You just ignore it and go to something else. This is foolishness on your part because I'm showing you from the Word of God something. And what you are doing is submitting the Word of God to your preferences.

You are committing an idolatrous action by judging God's Word by your opinion and your truth. You are raising yourself above the Word of God. The Word of God says. That no one has ever seen God the Father, yet they were seeing God Almighty in the Old Testament. Who was it whose God Almighty?

In the Old Testament, who was being seen, but is not the Father. Who was it? Like I said, I can't answer that because I wasn't there. Because you're the, it doesn't have anything to do with you being there. You can read the scriptures.

No, I don't read it. This was in the Old Testament. You can read the scriptures. You can read the scriptures. In Exodus 24, 9 through 11, it says, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abahu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up and they saw the God of Israel.

And under his feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. Yet he did not stretch out his hands against the sons of the nobles of Israel. And they beheld God and they ate and they drank. I just quoted that to you, okay?

So they saw the God of Israel. Who are they saying who's the God of Israel? Who are they saying? Can you just read who are they singing? Who are they seeing?

I'd like to just go beyond that. Who are they seeing in the Old Testament when it says they saw the God of Israel? You don't have to be there. What God is doing is giving you. What come on?

I'm showing you that your theology. I'm showing you a liar when God believes that. I'm showing you that your theology is insufficient. I've shown you this. You can't answer your question.

By you saying Jesus is God, you're calling God a liar according to scripture. I tell you what I'm going to do. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm going to go to your verse. I'm going to respond to it.

Then I want you to answer my question. Are you going to do that? You agree or not agree? Yes. Yeah, I'll agree.

All right.

1 John 5:9, you said? Nine and ten. For if we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For the testimony of God is this, that he has testified concerning his son. The one who believes in the Son of God has a testimony in himself.

The one who does not believe God has made him a liar because he has not believed the testimony that God has given concerning his son. All right?

Right. So God's talking about his son, Jesus.

So Jesus isn't God? No, it doesn't say he's not God. Excuse me. Excuse me. It does not say Jesus is not God.

Well, Jesus does not say that. If you don't believe God is talking about a son, but you believe Jesus is God, you're calling God a liar. Patrick, Patrick, this term son of God. Means that he's calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God. John 5:18.

For this reason, therefore the Jews were seeking all the more. Listen. They were seeking all the more to kill him because he is not only breaking the Sabbath, but he is calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God. That's what the phrase is when Jesus is using it about himself. Patrick.

Patrick, why don't you let me finish the scripture and say this? I'm showing you, and everybody else, that you are not a Christian, unfortunately. You need to repent. You need to come to Christ. I have told you this truth of God's Word, and you deny it.

Jesus says, unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins. John 8:24. You deny that He is the I am. You're like the Pharisees in John 10, 30 through 34. They said, Jesus says, I and the Father are one.

They pick up stones again to kill him. And he said, Many good works the Father I've shown you. And he says, Many good works from the Father I've shown you. For which of these are you stoning me? And they said, For a good work we're not stoning you, but you, being a man, make yourself out to be God.

So let me ask you: did the Pharisees believe? Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

Did the Pharisees believe that Jesus was God in flesh, or did they deny he was God in flesh? Which is it? Yeah, they thought that Jesus was something special.

Okay, I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't call myself the Son of God. I didn't ask that.

I asked you a question. That's what you're saying. Did the Pharisees? I didn't ask that. I asked you a question.

Did the Pharisees believe Jesus was God in flesh, or did they deny that he was God in flesh? Which is it? Well, yeah, they thought he was because Jesus was the Son of God. You're not answering my question. You're not answering my question, Patrick.

Did they believe He was God or did they deny He was God? What did they do? They're fantasies, so whatever they believed was wrong.

Okay, so. I'm asking you, did they believe that he was God or not God? They want to kill him. He says, You're claiming to be God. He says, You're claiming to be God.

They want to kill him for that. That means they didn't believe he was God. They killed him for a while. Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick. They're telling the reason.

We don't stone you for good work, but because you, being a man, make yourself out to be God. That's why they're killing him. They want to kill him because they said he was claiming to be God, and he was. But they disagree. No, he wasn't.

And so, so that's what the phrase meant. That's what it meant. Patrick, that's what it means. And you know what's interesting is you agree with the Pharisees that he's not God. No, I don't.

You do. No. I'm telling you. Patrick. Worldwastian.

I'm going to be a worldwide champ. Patrick, I'm going to. I didn't mute him, okay? And uh So you'll notice, folks, this is a good example of brainwashing. I'm sorry, but and spiritual blindness.

That's what it is. Is that I have shown him very concretely from the Old Testament that God Almighty was seen, but it was not the Father. He can't answer the question. He refuses to answer the question. He goes a different verse.

I respond to that verse, and he still doesn't understand the issues. And then when I take him to yet another place, he can't address that. This is the mind of an unregenerate person.

Now, I'm not acting as his judge. I'm informing him and you out there, we can make spiritual judgments. 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 15 in particular. The spiritual man appraises all things. And Jesus says, unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24. He is denying that Jesus is the I am. He's denying the spiritual truth of who Christ is, misapplying scripture. And when he says the term Son of God doesn't mean he's God, I show him the exact verse. Verse where it does say he is God in flesh.

That determined Son of God, calling God his own father, making himself equal to God. John 5:18. What does he do? He ignores it. This is what cults do.

They ignore the scriptures that don't fit their theology.

Now, here's a question for all of you. or any of you doing that. Or any of you just Dismissing varying teachings of Scripture because you don't agree with them. Are you the judge of God's word? Or is it your judge?

Is God Himself and the word He's given the judge of your heart?

Well, it should be that it is the authority, not you.

So I'm going to just say that if you deny Jesus Christ as God in flesh, you cannot be a Christian. If you deny his resurrection, physical body resurrection, you can't be a Christian. If you deny that there's only one God in all existence, all place, and all time, you can't be a Christian. You must trust in Christ. Believe in him alone to be saved.

Pray to Jesus, as they did in the Bible, and ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins. Trust in Christ alone. Put your faith and your trust in him, God in flesh, the one who's in the Old Testament and in the New Testament, God Almighty. In flesh, who died on the cross, rose from the dead. Trust in him.

Got to go, and there's the Lord. I mean, there's the time. The Lord bless you, and by his grace, back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. God bless.

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