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Wow, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, oh my God, that happens. All right, let's get on the phone with Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how you doing, Matt Slick? I'm doing okay, buddy. Hang in there, man.
What do you got? I got dude around me, 17, 14 through 20, I believe. Okay. That right there, I was wondering, what's your opinion on those verses about the qualifications God had for the king? But nobody seemed to follow that.
If you read that, nobody really followed it. Yeah. For the king?
From 14 to 20, huh? Well, it says... Yeah, check that out. He must be an Israelite, not a foreigner, and he must avoid getting a lot of wealth and stuff, and he needs to obey the word of God. And nobody follows that as far as kings go? Yeah, I mean, David did. It says don't accumulate wealth, which Solomon did. It says David did that.
It says don't multiply wives. David did that. Solomon did that. And I never hear anybody criticizing them for that.
Well, they blew it. I criticize Solomon. I mean, he had hundreds of wives, and he was super rich, and he moved into idolatry at the end.
And even Jesus says Solomon was dressed as well as these lilies. And so he kind of backhanded him a little bit there. But, yeah, it's people in hype. It's one of those things. We see it in American politics.
People whose salaries are $140,000 a year in Congress go in with a net value of $500,000 in their life come out multi-millionaires. What's going on? There's insider trading.
There's all kinds of stuff. The people do this kind of thing because they have this powered influence as part and parcel of what's going on. I wouldn't do it if I was in their situation, though, not me. Could this be one or two of the reasons probably why David kind of fell? Even though he was a man out to God's heart, he did that murder in the adultery, and then Solomon multiplied the wives, and it caused him to turn to false gods and stuff. So maybe if they would have followed exactly what God told them, they wouldn't have failed. You know what I'm saying? Maybe that opened the door. But my question to you is, I never hear anybody talking about that. Well, good point.
I haven't heard anybody talk about it either. So good point. Well, maybe if they started doing that, maybe that opened the door. Well, the people still wouldn't follow it. They wouldn't follow it. You know, these prosperity preachers, they wouldn't follow it because they're greedy, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I would agree. You know, one of the things is my idea about wealth, it's like it doesn't impress me. I've met people who have lots and lots of monies, like, yeah, that's nice, whatever. I have what I need. I don't need anything more.
And so we have a lot of people, however, who they're out there just trying to gain as much power and influence and money as they can. So it's bad. Okay, yeah, I got one more quick question for you. All right. I don't know exactly where the verse is, but it says that in my fact I heard somebody talking about Robert Jeffries. I was listening to him.
And it says, no, it was John MacArthur. He says, we're not going to even remember any of the things here in this life. He says, you're getting caught up in the riches and glories of this world. He says, but in the kingdom, we're not going to even remember any of this stuff. No, nothing in the Bible says that. Oh, yeah, there's a verse that said that because I've read that before. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I don't know exactly where it is. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So you're saying there's a verse in the Bible that says, we won't remember anything in heaven?
We won't remember anything about this life. I don't believe that's the case. No, I have to see the verse for that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm telling you it's true. I'll have to call you back tomorrow. I'll dig it up. There's a verse that says we won't remember anything about this life. No, I don't believe that's the case.
I heard John MacArthur talking about it today. Well, if he said we won't remember anything. Hold on, let me finish. If he said that we won't remember anything while we're in heaven from anything on earth, then he's flat out wrong. But you see, you can find the verse, okay?
Because it's not there in scripture, all right? Okay. Oh, well, look, if you Google, neither will you remember anything in this life, it will come to pass. It won't come to your memory.
It goes something like that. But I'm telling you, it's there. Tell you what.
No, it's not. Tell you what, you find me what you think the verse is, and tomorrow you let me know, okay? You call me tomorrow and we'll talk. Okay, God willing, God willing, I'll call you back. I'll set my alarm clock. I'll set my alarm clock. And I'll call you back.
I'll try to be the first one to call you, God willing, okay? I'm going to find that verse, but it's there. It's there. And you're pretty… I'm glad that you're humble and you're… It's there.
I'm telling you. If it's there, I'll be connected. Anyway, I'll call you. I don't believe it's there, okay? I don't believe so. All right? Would that be something? It'll be something else for you to think about, right?
Yeah, but it's not there, okay? It's… Okay. Okay.
I'll call you tomorrow. Okay. All right, God bless.
Wow, what a character. All right, all right, all right. Let's get to John from Raleigh, North Carolina. John, welcome.
You're on the air. Yes, sir. I was wondering if… talk about Calvinism, the famous tulip, where L stands for limited atonement. I'd like to change that to limited forgiveness, because only the chosen are forgiven. But atonement, Jesus had to die, like, for example, for all of Hitler's sins, he had to make up for all the evil he committed. So he… Where does it say that in the Bible? He atoned for everybody's sins. Do you have any place… But who's forgiven is something separate.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you have any verses that say that? Any scriptures? No, I was just asking your opinion on it, that's all. Yeah. Well, no, I don't believe he bore the sin of everybody who ever lived.
I don't believe so. Jesus says in John 10-11, he says he lays his life down for the sheep. In Matthew 25, he says there's sheep and there's goats. But he lays his life down for the sheep. John 11-26, he says, you're not my sheep. In 1 Samuel 3-14, God is speaking and he says, he swore to the house of Eli that the iniquities of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever. So, and it can't be everybody's sin because, for example, in Matthew 12, 22 and 32, we know that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. It will not be forgiven.
Jesus could not have canceled that sin. I can give you more, too, there's a lot, I know the topic quite well, but it, you know, it's just not, yeah, okay? If you want to talk about us more, we can. Okay. Okay. All right. Thanks, Matt.
It was good to talk to you. All right. Okay. Well, God bless. Okay.
Now, people, a lot of people think that, I don't know how to say this without being offensive. Well, since he brought up the topic, I can address this. Here, let me just ask some questions. Did Jesus bear the sin of every individual who ever lived? That's a question.
Some say automatically, well, yes. Okay. Well, let's just do some thinking about that. In 1 Samuel 3.14, God says, he says, I've sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquities of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever. Now, we could go through what we think that might mean, but it seems to be a strong case that he didn't bear the sin of Eli's house. And then, as I brought up already about the issue of Blasting the Holy Spirit, it does not seem logical to say that Jesus paid for it if it's unforgivable.
It doesn't quite make sense. Then there's another problem, and that is the issue of Jesus himself saying that sin is equal to legal debt. Now, he did this when he said in Matthew 6, our Father of heart and heaven, hallowed be thy name, et cetera. He says in verse 12, forgive us our debts. And in Luke 11.4, the parallel of that same prayer, he says, forgive us our sins. So Jesus equates sin with legal debt. In fact, on the cross, when Jesus was being crucified, he said, John 19.30, he says, to telestai, it is finished.
It is finished, and it's a legal term, meaning a legal debt had been satisfied. Okay, so if Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross, 1 Peter 2.24, and he paid for them, as people say, he paid for them, then what does that mean? Does it mean that all the sins have been paid for, all the legal debts have been paid for? Because sin is legal debt, okay, breaking the law. If he paid for it, then the debt doesn't exist anymore. The sin's gone.
This is a logical problem with the other view, and people say, well, no, no, no, it can be paid for, but you have to accept it. Well, that's not biblical. The atonement of Christ is not activated or made powerful by what you do. By your accepting it, then it's applied to you.
That's not how it works. The proficient sacrifice of Christ is effective because of what he did. That's why it says in Colossians 2.14, he canceled the certificate of debt, consisting of decrees, which is hostile to us. He took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross, so he canceled it at the cross. It's not canceled. The sin debt's not canceled when you believe. It's canceled when Jesus died on the cross. Now, this really throws a lot of people into a tizzy, and I've had many, many opportunities where I've gone through Colossians 2.14 very patiently, and just said to people, well, what does it say? You know, he canceled the certificate of debt.
What is a certificate of debt? Some people say it's the law. Some people say it's sin. If it's a law, you have a problem because Romans 4.15 and 5.13 say that without a law, there is no sin. So if you cancel the law, there can't be any sin, and then everybody goes to heaven. And if you say it's a sin debt, then it's canceled at the cross.
Well, who's it canceled for? You see, you've got to ask these questions, and these are the kind of questions I ask of people, and it really gets them to think. And if that makes you think, great. You know, good. Just something to think about. The whole point is you've got to trust in Jesus, God in flesh, died on the cross, rose to the dead, trust in what he did.
By faith alone in Christ's work alone, are we made right and forgiven? Hey, we'll be right back after these messages. That's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's, oh, if you want to give me a call, excuse me, want to give me a call, the number's 877-207-2276. Let's get to Alberto from Georgia, Alberto, welcome. You're on the air.
Yeah, good evening, Matt Slick. What's your question is, would it be a sin for me to say, God, I don't want you to bless me or bless nothing that I do, I just want to do your will and that's it. Or if I were a pastor of a church and the church member would give me a nice car or give me money to a nice house. If I were married kids, I don't want none of that.
I don't want none of that. I prefer to live in the woods in a tent because that way I don't get criticized by people thinking I'm a prosperity pant preacher. So that way, that way I won't be criticized.
And then if I do live in a tent, I'll get criticized anyway, but then they think, well, your God is nice. Now hold on, hold on, hold on, let's do the question. Let's get the question. Okay.
Okay. It's in the sense that that's me to want God to bless me. Well, I can't say in every sense, sense in every way, because there could be different ways you don't want the blessing of God. You might not feel you're deserving of it and then humility, you don't want it.
I don't think it's sinful, but then if God has communicated to you that he wants to bless you in a certain way and you don't want his will for you, then that could be sinful. So you see, it just depends on what it is. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay.
I see that the will part, I swear to you, stand out. In other words, if God wants to expand my ministry to reach more people and ask God's will to mean to do it, so if I don't want that, then I'm being disobedient, right? Basically. Well, yeah.
Correct. Yeah, in a sense, but you know, God blesses us all the time. He blesses us with air to breathe and people to love and jobs to have, and these are blessings from God. What you're talking about is material wealth and stuff like that. If God wants to bless you with that, then use it for his glory.
That's all. Okay. So it's not being selfish, thinking like, okay, for me to have it, stuff like that. So in other words, not being humble because I want to live in the woods, my family woods, and not living in a regular house, so I won't be concerned about people. That might be unwise because maybe God wants you to be in the world and preach and teach the word of God instead of hiding in a forest.
Okay. No, but I say living in the forest, not hiding, just living in the forest, not having a nice house. So you want to live in a forest, or are you talking about a tent, talk about living in a tent? Yeah.
And will it be, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So you want to live in a forest, in a tent? Is that what you want to do?
An example. I'm not doing it, I'm just an example if I were talking about living in a forest. If God calls you to that, then do it. That's all. You're going to do different things at different times, different ways.
Okay. So that way, okay, so that way I'm going to be accused by people, by Christians, or the world, say, well, so one thing, I'm a prosperity preacher, so I live in the woods in the tent, and then if I do live in the woods in the tent, the people will criticize me too, because they'll say, oh, look at his God, he's really, he's really criticizing me. You're often, you often call about issues of what others think and feel, and you might be more concerned, you might want to focus on the issues of what does the Lord want for you? And there are a lot of people who make mistakes, and certainly, you know, a lot of people do this and that, we can generically talk about them, but I think that the things you need to focus on are, you know, the will of Christ in your life, and following him and serving him.
That's what you should do, okay? Okay, I got a quick, another quick question for you. What is the proper context, I hear a lot of ministers quote this verse, they say, as a man's thinking in his heart, so is, what is the proper context or understanding of that passage? Context, I got to find the verse, okay, let's see, let's see if I can find that, find the verse and then go look at it.
Here we go, let's see. It is Proverbs 23, seven, for as he thinks within himself, so he is. He says to you, eat and drink, but his heart is not with you, et cetera. So it just seems to be about the idea, it's just a wisdom statement, that as your attitude, what you're thinking, it becomes a reality. You don't create your own wealth by thinking you're wealthy, but if you are evil in your heart, you're going to act in an evil way. One of the ways I put it is, you behave according to what you believe, not according to what you don't believe. And so I would say, let your belief be shaped by God's word, okay? Okay, so if I say, the Bible says right there, as a man's thinking in his heart, so is he, right? Okay, yes. So if I say, if I say, I am the most handsome as a man, the most wisest man on the earth, the most holy man on the earth, does that make it a reality, because I think that in my heart?
No, no, you're not creating reality, okay? You don't want to be self-deceived, you want to speak truthfully, as a man thinks he is, think according to the word of God, okay? That's what I would say. So I have to be attached, so I have to be aligned with the word scripture there, holy, right? Of course, that's what I've been saying. Let your heart be shaped by the word of God, yes.
Okay? That's what I'm saying, but a lot of teachers out there quote diverse, and they lead a lot of the church members in the church, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I know, there's a lot of heretics out there, false teachers like, you know, Joyce Meyer, who teach false things, and maybe they've used those words, I don't know.
Yeah, like she says a lot, like she quotes diverse a lot as called things that they were, that they are. Yeah, they miss it. So they're saying God calls things to get your least God out, right? Right. Uh-huh.
Okay, well thanks, we got it, man, we got it, okay? All right. All right.
Okay, thank you. All right, buddy. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye. Okay. Okay.
Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 8772072276, and give me a call. So someone put in a chat that the verse the guy, the previous caller was looking at was probably Isaiah 6517, and it says, For behold, I created new heavens and new earth, and the former things will not be remembered or come to mind. If that is the verse that is being spoken of, and it means you won't think anything about what you did here on earth, then that's not what he's talking about, okay?
He's not talking about that. He's talking about the issue of the weight and the pain of the old world and the old things are not going to be something you're going to be experiencing and desiring and focusing on. You're going to be in a new transformation of experience in life with Christ. Now, if someone wants to say you won't remember the things of the old and the former life, then you won't remember accepting Christ. You won't remember trusting in Christ.
You won't remember anything, being born. Your trials and tribulations. And you've got to understand that part of those things glorify God. Because if we're going to be in heaven in his glory, bringing glory to him, then many of the things that he personally constructed for us in our lives, I don't think are going to be things that God wants us to abandon or to not have any recollection of, particularly the work of God in us. And we have many instances of our lives here on earth where we have learned through our circumstances that the hand of God has been directing us and because of we glorify God. So this verse cannot be used to say we won't remember anything here on earth.
It doesn't fit scripturally, contextually, or logically. We'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. We'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned.
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All right. Let's get to Jim from Ohio. Hey, Jim.
Welcome. You're on the air. Jim, are you there? Jim. Jim. I'm not hearing anything. Jim, I'm not hearing anything. If you're, if you're there, oh, hello. We'll give him another few seconds here. And if he doesn't pick up, he can call back or something. Maybe there's a bad connection.
It does happen. So let's just go. We'll get off of that one. Jim, call back if you can.
Don't hear you. And let's get to Byron. Hey, Byron. Welcome. You're on the air.
Byron. Oh, we haven't. Yeah. Can you hear me? Oh, there we go. All right. Now I hear you. Sure.
What do you have now? Hey, thanks for picking up. Um, well, I had a question at, um, so, and I know you talk about election a lot and, and, and I see it playing today as well, but when we look at, um, I wanted to kind of merge two things together as it relates to, um, free will too. When it comes, when the, you know, nobody comes to me unless the father, you know, predestined or, or elected then take off and then, and then when Christ says, I am the way, the truth of life, nobody goes to the father except for through me. And I believe both of those, but when we, when we look at, um, the great commission and the command go and tell others, and I think that's a lot, um, to do with, um, just obey. And once we accept in the spirit working within us, and I think it's also, um, racks up rewards in heaven by doing the things that he commands. So with, with all that, when you look at the free will, because we have, we have to, and then this is kind of a question that I'm going to pose and you tell me what you think. So we know we're not even given the opportunity to come to Christ unless the father's already, um, allowed it and elected us. And then, and then our decision, and that's the free will part that I'm referring to our decision to go with the prompting of the Holy spirit saying, Hey, look, um, you know, giving us the, the, um, uh, the, the, or the nudge.
And we say, you know what? We believe that's right. And we truly accept Christ as the only way. And that's, and we put our faith in him and then we're, and then obviously with the saved and then the Holy spirit comes and works in our lives. Um, would you say that the free will that I'm talking about in that gap, first of all, we can't have it unless God allows it. But then we have to, we know we have to have Christ in order because he's the only way back to God, almost like a dip in and you get the whole, I'm not sure. I understand your question though, um, is w w that part of the free will that I'm referring to, uh, by, okay, we're, we're, um, we're given the Christ by the father and, um, but we still have to accept Christ and is there, um, you know, it is in that part is that that's our choice, um, but allowable. Let me help you out.
Okay. So free will is the ability to make a choice that's not forced on you and that's consistent with your nature. Now some people hold to what's called libertarian free will and what that means is that in any particular search situation, a person can choose something different than what he chose. He has options. He could choose different. It's called choosing the contrary or the power of contrary choice.
Okay. And compatibilist free will says that God's, uh, that human free will is compatible with God's decrees and God's predetermined work. Well, where libertarian free will would say it's not that our choices are not determined by prior causes, which is illogical and it's impossible for that to be the case.
It's not determined by prior causes or defined decrees of God because we cannot have an independence of free will choice because our free will is determined by our nature and the circumstances that we're in that God controls and he certainly can move the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. Proverbs 20 verse one, one and I can go in and go to it quite a bit. So generally speaking, there are different ways that people say that this, it might work and redemptive, uh, salvation here is that, uh, the Bible does say the unbelievers, a slave of sin, hater of God doesn't do any good. And like you said, he can't come to, to Christ unless it's granted by the father. John six 65.
Good. So some said what God does is he woos people and he knows who's going to make what choice under different circumstances. And then he works in the accordingly.
There's problems with that. That means that God's choice is influenced and depends on man's choice and that reduces the sovereignty of God increases, increases the sovereignty of man. But on the other hand, John one 12 says we're to receive Christ. We do the receiving and we do the believing we do. We actually do the believe and make a choice to believe. But it's also said in Philippians one 29 that has been granted that we believe and Jesus has in John six 29 and our belief is the work of God.
So how does this work? The solution that I have found is to understand what's called regeneration preceding faith in a logical sense, the priority in a logical sense. The illustration I give is you have a light bulb, you put, you know, through the switch like electricity is in the light and five seconds later light comes on in the light bulb.
That is just an illustration of course. Well, this would be temporal priority. Electricity is there well before light is manifested. Logical priority would be something different that electricity and light occur simultaneously when the electricity is there, light is also there, but electricity is the cause of the light, not the light being the cause of electricity. So electricity in this case was what we call logically prior.
So now we have that concept down of logical priority. We can then say that God, he caused us to be born again first Peter one three, that's the prior cause logically. And then we freely believe because he works it in us that we grant granted to us and we make that choice and we do because we've been regenerated.
So our free action of belief is simultaneous with the regenerative work that God grants to us and works in us and causes to occur to us and then he grants we believe it's all there. Okay. That's a solution I have found. The other people offered other solutions have, they have dead ends, have logical problems to them. And so I can't accept those. Right.
Okay. So it seems it, it does, um, but it seems like if you, if you look at it one way, let's just say, okay, um, we know that he, we were chosen by the father to give to the son. And so, and so when you look at that and if it, if he, the light bulb comes on because he's already granted us the ability to accept his son, it seems kind of, and this is in layman's terms in my, in my head, it almost seems like, um, if you, if you looked at a movie script and, and he, um, w now this is when it comes to the, the kind of the free well thing to a little bit of my original question, but I got what you said is it almost seems like, okay, we're an actor placed, um, casted, uh, cast by God. And he wrote, he wrote the script, he knows what's going to happen. He, he elected us. And so we, he knows we're going to accept.
And so, and it's almost as if the actor doesn't work like that. Okay. Okay.
I know that. So that's, that's my, that's my confusion on, and that's kind of, it makes it a little bit simpler to say, yeah, there are two theological views you're touching on. And one of them is called open theism and it's, it's a heresy. And it says that God doesn't even know the future because if you have freewill choices, he can't know what they are. Otherwise you're not free to try the contrary.
That's ridiculous. The other one is Mullenism. And what that is, is that God knows what freewill choices you'll make under different circumstances. And so he arranges things according to his will by which he knows what circumstances will bring about the greater good for what he desires based on human freedom. And this is called Mullenism and using what's called middle knowledge or counterfactuals.
And that's full of problems also. The Bible says the unbeliever cannot choose God, cannot understand or receive these things. Can't. Not as difficult as it cannot.
So then the open theist, Mullenist position would not, it could not include the idea of God knowing you, you'll pick him under different circumstances depending on your freewill because it's contradictory to scripture. Hey, hold on. We've got a break. Okay. We'll get back to it. Okay.
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Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Byron, everybody back on. You were going pretty heavy, so go ahead, your turn. Okay. So when you were looking at all the viewpoints in different theologies and you kind of went a little bit fast, and that's fine, but what you believe, do you, and again, in layman's terms, he's elected us previously. He knows his will is going to happen and he puts us in position to believe and to accept, but do we, when we accept, was it ever in any doubt from the father that we were going to accept and we didn't have any part of free will because it was determined by him in the beginning? No, we have free will. We have free will and let me just throw this out at you. Did Jesus have free will? Yes.
Okay. But Jesus said in John 5.19, the son can do nothing of himself and John 10, excuse me, John 5.30, he says, I can do nothing of my own initiative. So he can't do anything of himself or his own initiative, but yet he had free will, right? Yeah, I just always think of when he's, the day before when he says, if this cup can take away and your will be done, yeah, that's Luke 22.42, but this is a discussion on the nature of free will and what it is. Jesus obviously had free will because free will must be defined by God's nature, not ours.
He's the standard of what is true and right. Jesus is God in flesh and so we can say he certainly had free will, but yet at the same time he can only do what he saw the father do and he couldn't do things with initiative. So if that's the case, then we have to understand that free will, which is possessed by Christ, is compatible with the complete sovereignty of God. That's the definition and that's a truth that we must derive out of Jesus himself.
So how then do we apply to ourselves? The unbeliever is certainly free. He's free to make any choice he wants. He's just simply going to choose in a matter consistent with his enslavement to sin. He'll choose sinful things freely. We as Christians, on the other hand, we can choose to do bad and good. We can accomplish either one, but an unbeliever can only do what is bad.
That's a discussion we could have another time. And so what we see is Jesus saying in John 6.65, you can't come to him unless it's granted by the father. So it has to be an actual granting by the father for you to come to him, but on the other hand, you must believe in trust. What do you have to do that believing in trust in Christ? So you do, but it's granted that you do.
Now, how's that work? I'm not exactly sure how it all works, but that is called compatibilist free will. And that's what clearly is the position that is taught in scripture. Okay. Yeah. And that's, that's, you just hit the exact point that I wanted to go to. I know we went around a little bit and thank you for doing that, but, um, that's, that's, that's kinda, um, what I always, what I believe, but, well, not kind of, it is what I've always believed.
But then, then I started saying, well, is scripture, am I interpreting scripture a little bit differently in my head knowledge and, and, and, you know, in my heart too. And so, um, I'm glad you, I'm glad we extended it past the break because you just kinda helped answer my question, which is awesome. Good. Good, good, good. Yeah.
It's a tough one. And, um, people have been wrestling with it. And my solution is, um, is trust God's sovereignty. He's not surprised. And our free will operates under God's sovereignty.
As long as we can work with that, then we can be, we can be more humble in our attitude towards him. Okay. That's right. That's right.
Now, can we tell you from the top again? I'm just kidding. No, you did a great job. Appreciate you taking my call. Hey man, no problem, buddy. Call back anytime. All right. Okay. All right. See you. All right. God bless. All right. Let's now get to Jeremiah from South Carolina. Jeremiah, welcome. You are on the air. Thank you.
Yeah. I was having an argument with my neighbor, not, not a mean spirit argument, but you know, we, we all know that Jesus sent Donald Trump here, uh, to make America great again. But my neighbor doesn't believe that. What do you think is the best way to prove to him that G that, that Donald Trump was sent by Jesus? Oh, I can't prove that he was, I don't know if he was or wasn't well, there's a theological sense in which he was sent by, by Jesus as well as Biden. We can say that all things work after the council of God's will Ephesians one 11.
Was he specifically an answer to prayer? Well, we can make the case, but not the proof. Proof means there's no way out of it. And proof is for logic and mathematics and some aspects of philosophy, theologically speaking, the way we would prove if it's the case that God sent him, we would need a revelation from God to say so, then that would be the proof. So we don't have that proof. He told me, he said he doesn't, he said he doesn't even think that Trump is a religious person. That's preposterous. Well, yeah, it is. And he's probably, I would ask him what news networks is he listening to?
CNN, MSNBC, or just Tommy left his rags. We all know. We all know that Trump is, you know, you know that Trump is a very devout and faithful Christian. Do you also, by the way, do you think the moon is made of cream cheese?
I don't see the relationship between those two issues in the question. I'm just trying to get a feel for, for your belief system. Do you think OJ Simpson was framed? My personal opinion is he's guilty. Was the moon landing faked? No, it wasn't.
Is the earth flat? No, it's not. And how can you possibly believe that Donald Trump is a religious man? He is a religious man.
I've heard him, I saw a video just a few days ago of him on the grounds of the White House. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You've got to be careful what you're saying of the air.
Children listen. Okay. So I'm sorry. That's all I'm saying is, is, uh, whether he was or was not, you see, we can look at people's past and you can judge them now, but are they the same person? So you have to go by what he says now. And if he's professing Christ, then okay. I used to know a guy, I think he may have passed away by now because I can't contact him anymore. Uh, he had health issues and he said he knew Trump personally and he said Trump was a Christian. Now I could, I just remember when Trump, remember when Trump, remember when Trump was asked his favorite Bible verse and he couldn't name one and then backed out of it by saying it's very personal.
Who would be dumb enough to think that guy actually with the air? Okay. All right.
Sorry. Okay. So let me ask you, just curious, just curious, um, uh, what's your political persuasion that this curious? I'm a, I lean right. I'm conservative. Okay. I know if you're not in the maggot coal, you're there for a libtard, right? Well, no, no. Being obstreperous.
That means recalcitrant and difficult to work with. And so you used to call it the maggot cult right away. You haven't, you haven't established that it is a cult given defined the terms.
It's just, it's all I got to do is watch the news and watch maggot people. I do. If you have a lawn sign still five months after the election on your house or your lawn, you're in a cult. Okay. And having studied cults for 45 years, I don't think that putting a lawn sign up qualifies as a boundary marker for being a cult.
I didn't say put a lawn sign up, leave a lawn sign up five months after an election. And if you have a, and if you have a swag of Trump dressed as Rambo, we're riding a dinosaur, you're in a cult that does a cult. Okay. Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Um, I don't know that that's a qualification of cult.
I've never heard anything. Do you have a Trump flag on your house showing him as depicting as depicted as Jesus or Rambo? No, I don't. Well, what do we, what does he need to be depicted as for it to qualify as a cult? Can you define what a cult is first?
A bunch of lunatics following preposterous things. Like what you're saying? Like the election was stolen? Like what you're saying? You don't realize how preposterous what you're saying is. You're saying things that are ungrounded, unfounded, that are just emotionally based without intellectual support.
That's cult thinking. Oh, because we know, I know I'm not as smart and as well versed as most MAGA people are. Um, I'm not capable of saying sarcasm and mockery is not an argument. You need to bring something to the table. I'm not capable of saying critical thinking as they are.
Maybe that's why you're having the problem you are. You're not critically thinking. Great. We're done. I told you nothing about that and a whole bit and you just violate that. You know, I'll let you go once, but we have children who are listening.
You need to behave yourself. All right. I will move along with that. We're almost out of time anyway.
We've got a couple of minutes. Um, you know, it's interesting and I'm going to continue to talk with him, but when he starts talking like that, I don't know what else he's going to say and I can't trust him. And so I've already asked him once, please don't do that. You know, that's all I, it's just, that's it.
And then he starts doing that. And uh, so what's all this got to do with anything? I mean, he must hate Trump. Okay. If you want to hate Trump, hate Trump.
Uh, that's fine. I'm glad personally, I like what Trump's doing in a lot of areas. I'm glad he's doing the tariff stuff. I'm glad he's getting rid of the, uh, the gang people and the illegals. I'm glad. I'm glad he's playing hardball with the leaders of the world. I'm glad. I'm glad that, um, that was, I think it's 80 countries are now are willing to talk and redo tariffs. I think it's good. And, you know, but I have heard that the, uh, the economy is, is for the first quarter has taken a dump, a dive, I should say, um, has gone down some and, uh, okay. And they say, if it happens again for the second quarter, then it's officially a recession.
We'll see what happens. But I think this is a part and parcel of what we've got to do to get ourselves out from the predicament, uh, that we've been put in by the leftist wacko, uh, um, uh, Democrats who in my opinion have a solar country out and who have sought for personal gain more than anything, opening our borders off, promoting socialism, gender identity, the killing of the unborn promotion of homosexuality. All of these things are ungodly and all these things are in harmony with the work of the anti-Christ. And I have an article on calm, which political party with the anti-Christ belong to.
And the democratic party is certainly a candidate for that, particularly since it is the one that, that, uh, fought against civil rights in the sixties and against women's voting rights and was the founding party of the KKK and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I think it was a troll too. And it was just, uh, but anyway, interesting conversation. Hey folks, we're back tomorrow and Amelia, what will heaven be like? Let's talk about that tomorrow because that would be a great conversation. Hope you're there tomorrow, Amelia, God bless everybody. Have a great evening. My God's great back on here tomorrow, another program powered by the truth network.
