S5 Ep32 Israel and Hamas Drones and Missiles with Guest Pat Teague.

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And Pat, thank you so much for joining us, teammate from Raleigh, Carolina, and we're back in Greensboro, so thank you for joining us, Pat. Yes, sir. I want to get right into the topic, and that's the Iran-Israel conflict, because, you know, it's just a few days since the missile and drone attack that occurred over Israel, and there's been a lot of questions on the U.S.'s knowledge about it before it happened. And we all know that Famous Joe said, don't, in one of the news conferences just this week, I guess, right before. Nobody said don't meant, but they thought it meant something about the attack, and then, of course, which means it must have been telegraphed and intended. Which we later found out, they released everything.

Everybody was getting news coverage before it even arrived, right, on the drone attack. So let's talk a little bit about that. Will, why don't you open up, you know, you and Pat, we were just having some conversation before we got started in the show. Why don't you guys talk about the Book of Jude, and Pat's got some references to talk about, and what's your thoughts here? Well, let's let Pat up with the Book of Jude, and, you know, we, as of God, I think there is a certain aspect to what we should be in the state of society. Now, society's view is not God's view. That's the difference. So when we start in opening this conversation, we really have to be careful, because we don't make sides.

That's what we want to make sure we put out there. Well, we don't take sides between Israel and Iran. No, no, no, no, no, no. We don't take the elephant and the donkey. Oh, no, no, of course not. Yeah, we don't take the elephant and the donkey, okay?

When we look at and talk about things that bring into this particular topic, these are the things we have to be careful about. So if you disagree with something someone is doing within government, what we do is fall on our knees and pray for them. That's what we should do as men, because we know that God can answer prayer. He has answered prayer. He will continue to answer prayer. He's not asleep.

He's not gone on vacation. And God, thank goodness for God, because he never gets tired. And so when we talk about the Iran and Iraq, of course that stems from Israel and who?

Isaac. It goes back to the two. We go biblical. That's what we do.

That's what we got to do. When we see what we're seeing today, it is a result of the conflict that came all the way back in scripture. Man, we had actually initiated this conflict. It was a parachuting in on a, what was it, a Sunday? October 7th. Sunday morning. At the end of a holiday.

People were getting ready, you know, to maybe go fellowship or do whatever it is. And so now we're at this point. And so it's like, stop defending yourself because of what another party or terrorist group, and we can't call them a native. And Israel has the right to defend themselves.

And to stomp out the terrors. They don't have anything to deal with. They've been trying to live peacefully for how many years? Long time. Ever since they became a state and beyond. And they gave them the Gaza Strip in 2000 what? I can't recall.

It's been less than 20 years. And Jews had the root out of the area and left it completely to their drinks. So they're not in sin.

They have a complete deal there. And I think, too, the rioting here, I believe someone's paid people to do it. They're ignorant of what they have. They're chanting river to the sea.

Do you know what that means? And a majority of them don't even know what it means. They're just out there blissfully going along like sheep. They don't even know that river to the sea means annihilate Israel from the river, Jordan, through the sea, and totally eliminate Israel's existence. And that's what we call the mob mentality.

The mob mentality. You go along to kill them. And then they're yelling now like you need to cease fire and retaliate all these things. It's like there would be no conflict if you would reach the hostages. We don't know if they're still alive. You need to return those hostages.

Yeah. And I've said this about Israel's negotiations. I mean, what was the first round? They gave several hundred away to get a release, several hundred to get a handful of hostages back. And we still got a majority being held. Those that were released could be back in a fight. Yeah.

Oh, there's no doubt. They were criminals in jail for doing terrorist acts of killing and harming people. And these were innocent people that were, their families were babies. They were slaughtered. And they put babies in ovens and paled them, decapitated them, put them on sticks. I mean, they did that. Man, those are fighting words, man. That's real.

Put them in an ovens. What did that remind you of? Well, exactly. And you know, that had to be the symbolic move of these terrorists. And that comes to mind when it's attacking what's going on with Iran. It's just, it's almost like they're all over again.

It truly is. And they keep talking about genocide of the group from Gaza. It's not genocide there.

They tried to live peacefully. And what other country, somebody, hey, we're coming through. You need to move.

You need to get out. We're going to, and for all these dead things that have not been validated that I've seen. Those are reports by Hamas of the fatalities, not that, or any other governments come through and said, yeah, this is the number of people that's been killed. Not that there hasn't been death. I know that, but I think it can be overstated and overstated. Well, in any war, that's what you have.

You have an overstated, you know, that millions of innocent civilians are dying, but no one knows the exact number. And there's a common practice by this terrorist group where they will do something to bait the Israeli army. And when they do, and then they will pictures of the IDF doing, trying to, you know, protect themselves. I know of an eyewitness account of who's a Bible teacher who lived in the area.

And this was back in the seventies. The terrorist group would run into the school, run into the school, are shooting at Israeli teachers. And so when they start shooting at them, what would happen next is they would photograph their, and when they, when the IDF would put their guns up to their face to aim, they take pictures and say that the Israeli army is shooting at a school when this terrorist ran into the school. And they had bait them, and that was what they're doing. And the world snapped by hook, line, and sinker. You know, it's just, it reminds me of what the enemies are of the brethren. And so he's trying to set that all up to do that. And so it's also a sign of the time we're living.

We watch Israel, we will watch and see that we're getting closer and closer to the time of our Savior. And so as we watch this going on, you know, it reminds me, and as in World War II, Tokyo rose. Yeah, propaganda. Yep, you're forced to have abandoned you.

You will starve because you don't have supplies. And this was constant going on. So, you know, all these tactics, and again, team tactics, going back to that. So when you get the tactics of the enemy, the enemy is out there doing what he is at in order to make sure that the people listening to the news outlets stay divided. That's his whole premise.

Yep. To divide and then conquer, DDC. And if he keeps up, he says, I'll just like let the world fight amongst ourselves, nation against nation, town against town, state against state, city against city, you know, school against school. And so we're all battling amongst ourselves. And so he's there with his agent, laughing. And of course, you know, it always reminds me, I don't know if you all have ever read the Screwtables.

Yes. But, you know, the conversation with Satan and his demonic. I mean, when we look at that, that is applicable every century that has ever existed in time. Because the enemy is doing exactly what he needs to do. He keeps us divided. Yep, and distracted. And uninformed. There's some people uninformed and they just think, oh, protesting, that means that Israel's doing this. It's like, just take a minute and do a little research and don't forget what happened on October 7th. Well, that's the problem, Patton.

Will and I have talked about this on show many times. People do not think critically anymore. They don't evaluate the situation, evaluate the conversation. They don't give it plus two and equal five. So how do they come up with this?

And then do the due diligence to have a conversation, to ask the questions, do the research. And they just don't do it. Social media just basically made this exponential. They read it online, it must have happened.

They believe it and often they start telling it and repeating it. Like bombing the hospital. Yeah.

Oh, the hospital. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

What they say, the tunnel in their command center is underneath the hospital. Which is a cowardly act. Yeah. Putting missile launches by a playground. Yeah.

And there's that whole baiting, you know, setting that up. People ought to be ashamed that are saying, you know, death to Israel and, you know, and even death to America. You know, if you don't like this country, the fact was with Christ, I'm going to say it this way. Just go on the ship and get the country or catch up and get out of the country. Contact us, we'll get you a ride to wherever it is you want to go.

Because we don't want you here in our country. Go to Gaza. Yeah, go to Gaza.

Go fight the quote-unquote battle that you think is sporting and that you think is one-sided. Yeah. And that's the thing that's so frustrating for me. And, you know, everyone's forgotten what happened to the babies, what happened to the families. You know, when we had a speaker just a few weeks ago from the American Israel Education Foundation and also from AIC, he caught on the stuff that we had shared that he had seen there and things about some stuff that wasn't on the news outlets.

And, you know, one of the things that, of course, we don't talk a lot about what he shared because it was on a personal mission that he was out visiting and seeing the damage. But, you know, the concertgoers that we're so much about, they got killed and murdered. You know, what they did, they blew up the cars, burners shot them, shot them and they shot them. They killed them dead in their cars. Then they burned the cars. So there's a group called Zaka, I think it is, that is responsible for collecting the remains of this Jewish tradition that they have to get all the remains to be handled properly for the family.

They had to make a giant hole and just put the cars in the hole because they couldn't separate the remains of the beast. And there was hundreds of people that died that way. So this stuff, casualties of war and what's going on there, I think we've got to just understand. But we need to support Israel in that. It's not our fight to say, you know, Israel, take it easy on folks.

You know, you hurt them enough. Well, they were trying to live peacefully. They gave them everything they asked for in terms of that area. And then they allowed Hamas, they allowed Hamas to be their governing force. And, you know, what happened to Gaza Strip, it was a very thriving community, very economic one, but when they allowed Hamas to take over, it fell out of the box.

Raw sewers being dumped into new buildings that would not happen in a normal municipality. That's the kind of stuff they started dealing with. And see, in Iran, they have been dying a lot of these attacks, but now, because they've used these terrorist practices. So they really showed their hand when they seized 300 missiles. And now, you know, people may say, well, you know, Iran is not directly involved. They were indirectly involved by using the proxies to war. Now, this was a direct attack.

Yeah, they're in it now for sure. And so all of that has been exposed. Yeah, and that was a result of, quote unquote, of Israel killing those people in, where was it, Syria, that they killed those generals. You know, which is, you know, hey, that's part of war. You're going to kill people and you're a leader?

You be prepared that we're coming after you. And that's what they did. And that we should be imparting and supporting Israel in so many different ways. Not because of the casualties or the collateral damage, but because they're standing up right and wrong, which is what we failed to do. Because who's next? That's right.

Hey, and let's be honest, this wasn't on the gym to talk about. Look at the U.S., look at America. You know, we've got 50,000 known Chinese, quote unquote, people have crossed the border. And that's the ones we know about that our majority of them are fighting AIDS, right? Plus we've got another 30,000 Russians that we know have crossed. And think about that. There's many thousands from these other Islamists that even said, you'll know my name, as one guy said. Yeah, that's right.

Where is he? Yeah, and so what, back to this, we've fallen into a sleep, if you will, in the U.S. Military is the weakest it's been in my lifetime. We've, the strength, physical strength, I mean, it's the weakest it's been in our lifetime. The lack of awareness, back to critical thinking, lack of awareness of what's going on and what could happen, not so much about what's happening, but what could happen.

You've got to think, expect the best, but plan for the worst, right? And that's what we're not doing actually. We're saying, oh, 50,000 Chinese and 25,000 Russians that are here legally.

Think about that. What happened on 9-11, 2001? There was 25, 30 people, 40 people, whatever's involved. I think the day of, but there was another group behind them.

Less than 100 people call it. Look at the havoc that that's within us. 3,000 casualties, a financial crash of the army, everything shut down in total for a week or more to two weeks until they come around what had happened. And we're sitting here, well, there's nothing to worry about with 75,000 people that we don't trust either country that they're from. FBI Director Wray has verified that they're on a high alert. There's a possible some kind of attack that can happen that's possibly imminent. And those are signs. It's like when we've seen these eclipses have been a sign from heaven as well.

There's one, there's another one that crossed it seven years later. It's like those are signs in the sky that something's happening in the timeline of God that he set out in Genesis. And we know signs as people are like, well, nothing happened on that day. Well, when you run down the road and you see the signs work ahead, road work isn't going on right at the place.

Right. And so there's signs of ahead that we're seeing even in the times that have been set in place of the timing. And we're seeing all these conflicts. And as leaders, people that are steward of truth, that they're sharing with people, there's an awareness that we've got to share things. Be sober minded, gird your mind for action.

We have and do those things that are first 113. And I've been in Jude today and it's just been hitting home of just what God is doing or preparing us for. And chapter, well, it's just one chapter, but verse eight just first is talking about, Yet in like manner, these people also relying on their dreams to follow the object authority blaspheme the glorious one. But when even the arch Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce blaspheme misjudgment, but said, Lord rebuke you. But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand. They are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. Woe to them, for they walk in the way of Cain, abandoned themselves for the sake of the gain of Balaam's error and perish in Korah's rebellion. These are hidden reefs at your love feast as they feast with you with fear. Shepherds feeding themselves, their waterless clap bring no rain. Swept along by winds, fruitless trees lay twice dead and uprooted. Wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame, wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. There's something in this passage about here's shepherds feeding themselves for their own personal gain.

And they're a cloud with no wind in it. And they're trying to confess to their own image and not, we're not being conformed to his image. They're switching things to manipulate people. And that's what's going on in the U.S. really bad, right?

That right there. We're being converted into the world rather than being just in the world but not of the world. We're becoming of the world. You know, I was really astounded when I saw all of what was going on with the eclipse and how we're basically just kind of worshipping it. I mean, even some of the thinkers I was watching, oh, this is a beautiful thing, it's a beautiful thing.

And they just kept going on and on and on and on. And I'm saying to myself, here you are, whipping something that you really don't understand. You know, because there's a meaning. You know, God is in control. There's a deeper meaning to a lot of things that we look at here, but God has a supernatural meaning behind it. But, I mean, people spent thousands of dollars for a four-and-a-half minute event. Oh, gosh.

I mean, I'm talking about coming from Europe and God. And just to get in the path to see the eclipse and they spent all this money for four-and-a-half minutes. And then the people around were, do you want to look at the eclipse? No.

Yeah, I didn't either. No. I walked out of the office. And I told them, I said, do you know, in 2017, you know where I was when that eclipse was going on?

I was taking a nap. Wasn't worried about it, not worried about it now. Exactly. And that was my point. But, yeah.

What Pat read in reference to Jude, of course, that's applicable throughout all histories like Jeremiah, I think it's Jeremiah's scene in there when God spoke to Jeremiah and said, you see, these prophets prophesied things. I didn't send them. Didn't send them. You know, so be wary of them. Right. Because what individuals are out for today as they happen through history, if we look, is, you know, there to see what they can get and can gain.

But I was listening to the Truth Network coming in here and I forget who it was. Maybe Winston Church was saying, you make a life by what you get, but you live a life by what you give. So, you know, there in Jude, they're looking at the opposite. It's what I can give, rather what I can give. Yeah, yeah.

And when we have the get and not give mentality, then, of course, we're out like a qualification. And the other part about where people are, you know, they blaspheme all they do not understand. And you're blaspheming, you know, a whole group of people and you don't understand the history of it at all. And it's like you go back and say, have y'all forgotten? Just even number seven, you forgot about what's going on.

And it's the latest fad. College campuses are protesting. College presidents are losing their job because they don't have any backbone and they let other stuff to go on. And then they have ambiguous answers, right, ambiguous answers to the questions from the Senate committee when they get deported bySemitism. Well, it depends on the context of the event.

Well, no, you either do or you don't, right? I mean, yes, yes, yes or no. And it's just it's bizarre to me, especially in our generation, all of us, to see that young folks think is OK to protest and to act the way they're doing. We're not talking about you're protesting true genocide.

You're protesting the defense of a country who has been threatened from all sides since their existence and before. I mean, you know, we look out for the first several, several years of existence after 47. Yeah, there was they were facing amount of odds from multiple fronts. And God finished the war in six days. Was it six days?

Yeah, that's crazy. So, you know, and I think I don't know about my actions and attitude. I'm I'm mad about this, to be quite honest with you. I don't say a lot, but I am mad about what's going on in our country. It's like someone says, shoot your wife and say anything about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't do anything about it. I will do anything about it. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, OK, I'm going to try to blow up. Oh, you can't retaliate. You're threatened.

You can't. It's like you killed all these children. Yeah, you killed grandparents. And even there's Americans still I think are still being held hostage. Right. Yeah. And, you know, and back on the donkey or the elephant. But the point, you know, you need to have more backbone as leadership in this country that we should say, well, if you're not going to find them and they're not going to surrender, we're going to come in and go for ourselves.

We're going to help you with this locating. And to your point, I mean, I don't know about you guys, but personally, I don't know if they're even still alive. I think, I think so. Yeah, they quote, they don't even know they were spread out all over these different groups.

Well, the way people hate America and these other countries over there, there's there's a pretty low probability that they're that they're alive. So, you know, which is the whole in itself that, you know, it cannot retaliate for that. It's like you return the hostages, you know, like you said. It's it's like this. This is you know, this is that's just common sense.

You look good. Common sense is Proverbs. Let good judgment come. We'll go along and say I'll just go along because I'm doing the majority thing is OK. But God is on my side and our side to be the one that's sitting out there in the field by ourselves, if that's what could be following his will in our lives. But we shouldn't let what's happening, even though it makes us upset. Yeah, we need to take what's happening and turn that thing around to say, God, this is going to motivate me by what I'm seeing to get into the game. I agree.

However, that is engaged. Yes. What prayer support, whatever it is, elective and making a difference. Absolutely. We've kind of gotten in a very heated topic here. Let's just take a few minute break and we'll talk on another segment here while we're just filming.

And Pat, once you finish up and then we'll come back close and then we'll come back together in a few minutes. There's this to finish Jude, what he said, how to call to persevere, how to deal with this. Just what you're saying, how to deal with this.

He answers it here. He says, but you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. I said in the last times there will be scholars following their early passions and there were causes. But keep yourselves in the love of God. He said, but you, beloved, building yourselves up in the most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keeping yourselves in the God, waiting for the mercy of the Christ that leads to eternal life. And have mercy on those who doubt. Save others by snatching them out of the fire. To others, show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.

The words stand on its own. Now to Him who is to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of His glory with great joy, the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ, our Lord be glory, majesty, dominion, authority for all time, now and forever. Amen.

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