MTRP S05 EP23 Israel/Hammas Final thoughts and Current Events.

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Welcome to Man Talk Radio. This is Roy Jones, your co-host. And this is Will Hardy, your other co-host. You know, Will, we used to have the greeting of white guy and a black guy, I guess.

For the people, this is still the same talk show that we haven't been on here in a while. And with that particular greeting, but Will and I have been brothers now for going on 11 years, I guess. Here in just a few months, it'll be 11 years. We've been brothers a lot longer than that, but we've actually known each other for the last 11 years.

Exactly. Will, it's great to see you. And it's good, Roy, to just see another year, you know, here in 2024, God has blessed us to see another one. We're thankful. We're thankful for the listening audience. We're thankful for all of the emails on prayer that we receive, you know, over the course of the holidays and beyond. And so we just thank God, you know, for just an opportunity again to just spread the gospel. Amen.

Well, it's important, especially coming off the season, right, and our Savior's birthday and celebrating that. And, you know, one thing I did notice about this past Christmas is it seemed more people were saying Merry Christmas and receiving Merry Christmas much easier than in the past. I'm wondering if the times we're in are creating a more acceptable response from others and more bold response or statement from others. And I think when people start getting in trouble, you know, and and they see like the economy and things happening abroad that has a tendency to sort of pull people together.

But then when those events and the circumstances around them start to fade, then we sort of like revert back to the way things work. But today, Roy, you know, we want to continue our conversation. You know, on our last talk, we talked about the Who are you to judge? And of course, some of the materials coming from Erwin Lutz's book, Who are you to judge?

And we just thank God for his writing. And it's a great, great topic material. And, you know, on our last discussion, we had a an overview. We had sort of like a a introduction, if you will, to who are you to judge? And we quoted some scriptures and we talked about how folks have a way of not discerning and dividing the word of truth. When they look at Matthew 7-1, judge not that you be not judge, but with the same measure you judge. So what we have a tendency to do is if someone even speaks the word of God to them, then it's you're judging them rather than they listening to what you're saying. And see, the truth will set you free. That's what the word of God tells us.

Yes. Well, it's become human nature, at least in our lifetime, that nobody wants to hear anything from anyone else. I mean, that's true. We have become a society of, hey, I've got it under control, just like you mentioned earlier. We tend to lean away from God when everything's great. We tend to lean into God when things are tough. And it's a 24-7 relationship. And so with people today, they first missed that key element, a 24-7 relationship with our Savior. It's not a crisis management hotline that you call and say, hey, Father, I'm in trouble.

Come help. Well, hey, he's sitting there saying, where were you when everything was great? Exactly. No praise, no adoration. Exactly.

And so, you know, I'm here, but you're just going to have to run the season to decide to change it. Right. And so I think with people in general, they tend to they tend to sit back and just wait on things to happen. And this is one of those things.

They don't want anybody to speak truth into them to help them grow in their life and walk. And one of the things I think people miss, too, Will, is they fail to realize that the collateral damage that they cause when they're either not engaged or they respond in that manner that you're talking about earlier. Well, I'd like to ask you a question.

Should we judge doctrine? Yes. I'm glad you said that because we haven't talked about this.

It looked like there was some hesitation. No, no, no. I just want to make sure I knew where you go over the question. And we haven't prepared this topic today. But you're absolutely right. We should be judging doctrine because there's there's false doctrine being propagated throughout the country. We know that there's health and wellness preachers and prosperity preachers that's preaching out there. And the question becomes whether or not, you know, people who understand and know the truth should call these things out. Yeah. And they should. As you and I know, they should.

But it goes back to earlier. Nobody wants to hear the comment from anyone else. They don't no matter what it is, they just don't want you telling them or me telling you or you telling me what's what's right and what's wrong. And you and I know we have that kind of that kind of relationship that we can do that. And just like with Johnny and some others, we can talk openly about things that we need to do better. And that's the thing with today's doctrine. Today's church of the 21st century is that the church has has become part of the world rather than just being in the world.

They become of the world and which is really sad. And it speaks to what you're saying, doctrine issues. And I what used to be wrong is now right. What used to be right is now wrong. And we can go through the whole list of all those things that come to mind that we we've talked about in the past. And, you know, folks, you at the listing arts can certainly come off the top of your head with two, three, four items quickly that you knew as your child that was wrong. And today, all of a sudden it's accepted as being right.

Any number of things. Well, and it's like when you when we talk about salvation, salvation, when you start tying things to salvation rather than let the faith and trust believing in Jesus Christ. So when you start adding things to that, that's when you need to stop and think about whether or not you're rightly dividing the word of truth. Case in case in point is when the apostle Peter, when he was confronted by Paul, Peter was eating with Gentiles, probably having some ham and some eggs, and he was trying out and then all of a sudden the Judaizers came. And so he withdrew himself.

And when he withdrew himself, then Paul witnessed that and he confronted him. And he's saying, so if you're going basically if you're going to be a Jew, be a Jew, but don't make a Jew a Gentile nor a Gentile a Jew. So and I think that's one thing where we as a nation and born again believers in particular have failed from that insight of understanding that we can't make anybody be anything. Right. But what we have to do is convey to them the gospel. Exactly. So when you start tying things like like baptism or you start tying things like feet washing or things like this to have to do that, you have to do in order to be saved.

And I think all of our antenna should go up. Yeah, it really should, because Jesus made it very clear. It's just about believing in him and the fact that he died for us.

Blood covered our sins and he rose on the third day, which proved his deity. Right. So you bring up an interesting narrative just a moment ago, Will, when you were talking about that, about the flip flop. You know, I'm with this group today, so it's OK. Later on the meal, it's not OK because certain other ones have joined. Right. So the hypocrisy of biblical times.

Absolutely. So that's that's the that's the when you're with us, you're one way when with the other people, you're the other way. And we often talk about that Sunday through Saturday face that we all put on as believers does.

And we'll challenge you as the listener right now. Does your Monday through Saturday face look the same as the one everybody sees on Sunday? I. Are you the same person on Sunday as you are Monday through Saturday?

Does your work and friend network see you as the same guy or lady that sits in church on Sunday morning? And, you know, when you when we talk about, you know, an individual and rightly dividing the word of truth, if they don't understand portions of the scripture that you might be quoting to them in reference to some actions or behavior that they're doing, you know, then it it it's left up to the person who's talking to them to explain what that means so they could at least go and research it. You know, those things for themselves.

Right. Because the word of God clearly states in Galatians one, eight, nine. It says that if an angel comes to you preaching any other gospel than what we have preached, the apostles, then then they they. That needs to be accursed or anathema, as the old King James says. So in other words, you need to abhor that. You need to back away from it, because if you affirm that the gospel is true, the word of God is true, then you have to deny every other doctrine.

Yes. You have to deny it. You have to deny the the, you know, Mary whites.

You got to you got to deny all of what they're saying, you know, or Mormons that Joseph Smith saw this angel, you know. And so he gave him this gospel, the new book, yeah, to be preached. But see, there is no new prophecy there. There God has said everything that he needed to say in his word. So when you start hearing going to places and you hear some apostle or some prophet says that, hey, I got a new word from the Lord. We need to understand what do you mean when you say that? See, because if you're proclaiming and prophesying that prophecy, but prophesying, which is simply to speak the word, if you're doing that and you're giving them a word, maybe that they haven't heard before or some information that they haven't heard before, again, they listen to that and they may not understand it. But then they need to go back again and research what they heard. So and that's what we need to be doing with every message that we hear on Sunday.

No, that's goodwill. I would ask you this. If I'm a listener and they say, hey, I know some things aren't being done properly or aren't being addressed properly by my fellow brother or sister. How do I address that in a loving way so that they know I care about them. But secondly, that they know that scripturally it's not in alignment with what God is telling us through the word. How would you approach that?

Well, you know, Roy, the word of God gives us an approach when it comes to someone who is maybe not living up to the scripture expectations, not the wife expectations, not the husband expectations, not the friend expectations, but living up to the expectations of Christ, because Christ and the word of God is we are expected to abide by it. So if we see something in a brother's and sister's life, then we go to them in private, first of all. Right. That's the first.

That's the first and foremost. Go to them in private. And we lovingly convey that, you know, brother, I heard you say this and or I saw you do this or you're carrying on in such a way. Maybe you can explain why you did this and see what that would do is open up the door for dialog. And they might say, well, things may be a little rough at home or, you know, child is going wayward.

You know, there's something going on there or I'm having an issue with my boss at work. So they'll start to open up to you. And then I think you wouldn't have to go any further than to do that. You've got an understanding why they're dealing with the way they're reacting. And then and then the person can understand what they're going through. And it doesn't have to go any further than that, because when they start to open up to you, then again, that's a gateway for you as the individual who is sharing with them to walk through. You know, but it also gives them an avenue to say, hey, my brother came to me this way in a loving manner, shared with me the burden that he had on his heart because he didn't want to see me in this way or in this manner.

Yeah, that's good, Will. And as you were saying that one of the things that comes to mind is, you know, how the mind plays with you. If you sit and dwell on things. So as the person that wants to go talk to the person, you may be building up a repertoire or a series of narrative that you shouldn't be. And just other than just coming at it with a pure heart and pray ahead of the conversation. And, you know, and then when you get in the middle of that conversation, just like you illustrated, you may find out that it's perfectly understandable why they are where they're at in that moment in time. So I think that's the biggest thing. If you think about the love of Christ and the love of us as followers of Christ is having that compassion and that empathy and being able to understand when people are going through that, even though you personally may not have been through what they're going through, but you can still empathize and be compassionate through their journey.

Exactly, Roy. And see, and I think that's why, you know, when we're talking about doctrine, that's why doctrine is important, because when we go, we're going according to the word of God. And we share with that brother or that sister, you know, I love you and because I love you, this is why I want to share with what I'm sharing with you. And if I get an understanding on why you're doing what you're doing and you're understanding from my perspective, why I'm giving you the word as a means of uplifting you, because all of us should be studying as a second Peter. I mean, second Timothy talks about study to show that I self-approved unto God, you know, and we're workmen. And when we're workmen, we don't need to be ashamed of the work we're doing, which might be helping that brother or sister. But we're rightly dividing the word of truth in giving them the word. So that could be a platform for them to stand upon once again if they fail from it.

Yeah, no, that's great. And I think one of some of the things that come to mind when you think about judgment. And as you and I had texted earlier in the week when you said, hey, we'll follow back up on our previous discussion. Something came to mind about judgment. What causes judgment? One of the things that came to mind was the gossip that sometimes something may happen. And, you know, this goes back to that old nursery or elementary school exercise when, you know, the first person whispered to the person next to him.

And by the time it got all the way around the room, it was nothing at all what was originally said. So that that, too, is what we experience as as followers of Christ, as non followers, is that people will hear something or something happens. And then someone starts to communicate it and doesn't give an accurate description or an accurate accounting of the conversation or happening. And then by the time it does its thing and Satan has spun all the wheels of yarn to network all this mess, all of a sudden you've got a lot of collateral damage that you didn't expect or people didn't expect. So, wait a minute, why is this person acting this way or why is this group acting this way? And then they start tracking it back or tracing it back and all of a sudden say, hmm, they were told untruths.

You know, and then all of a sudden you have to deal with that side of it. So they were judging prematurely because they took some facts that they information won't say facts. They took information they didn't check and didn't go talk to the person, like you said, one on one. And all of a sudden they're curtailing all this information and disseminating it to people that don't even have the information.

And this is what Satan has done and he's a master at it. And because what he does, and Roy, you know, a person who gives half truths when it comes to the Bible is more dangerous than a person who lies. Because what happened is we have a tendency sometimes to hear the truth and not the lie of that half truth. And so and I'm thinking about a family member of mine who is an attorney and they have to pull the truth from that individual. And the first thing they say when they take on a case, depending on whatever the case is, is they say, whatever you do, don't lie to me.

That's the first thing they say. And so when the individual starts and then they'll go, tell me what happened. So the individual starts telling you what happened. Well, he don't want to put himself in a bad light, but he got to understand that you're his advocate.

Yeah, you can't defend him if you don't know what you really did. Exactly. And so and that's going back to what you were saying earlier about information who individuals who take information don't fact check it. They just take it as gospel and they start running off. Right. And again, I go back to the health and wellness gospel because I hear a lot, especially from charismatic preachers and individuals who follow those particular denominations, say things like you should never be sick.

Or they say things like the devil is the one who calls you to be sick. It's sin. Yeah.

Sin as a result of what Adam and Eve did in the gardens is what is what we have today. So but we do a lot of that, I think, to say to put ourselves in a position that people will follow anything that makes them feel good. Yes.

And they will. So we've become a feelings church rather than a church of truth. Yeah. Rather than a word based church.

Indeed. Well, you know, that statement and most people that have been in church many, many years and then when they get in this feel good gospel, they happen to be there in a church where or the church just to feel good gospel. What I call just give them a few scriptures and, you know, encourage them, but don't step on their toes.

Well, you know, people will say, hey, I wish the future would step on my toes because I need to learn, need to challenge myself and need to be grown in my walk. So if you give me a feel good message out there and I'm not saying once in a while, there's there's only important to be encouraging. But if folks to the point, some some of those people that we're are in church on Sundays, that's the only time they hear the word or the only opportunity they have to to study the word. Exactly. Because of Sunday.

So that they've just showed up on a Sunday. Exactly. And see, and that's that's I think what we as fellow believers need to convey to those folks, because what happens is when we start getting to a point and we say to ourselves, hey, it's me, my and I, rather than we, us and the body of Christ. Yeah, exactly.

Then we then what we do is we start looking within and trying to find solutions rather than saying here is the gospel message and we need to come to the word of God to find that answer that we're struggling with, you know, in this walk of life. That's a good point, Will. Will, we're getting down to the last minute or so parting words. Well, I just want to say that if a person out there who is listening to this particular message and and again, Roy, if you're hearing feel good service messages all the time. And let me stress that all the time. And you're never hearing message of how you need to correct your life or even a good hell fire and brimstone message. I want to hear one.

Yes. Or two or three or four, because see what it does, Roy, is when you hear messages like that, it'll do one or two things. It'll turn you away from Christ or it'll bring you closer, closer. Amen. And see, if I know that I'm not going there when I hear a hell message, I can say hallelujah, praise the Lord, because you can talk about hell all day. I'm not going. I'm headed home so I can rejoice in hearing the message, knowing that I'm not going. Amen to that, Will. Well, folks, we just want to say first, thank you for joining us. Second, thank you for your support. If you do have a topic you'd like for us to address, please just drop an email out to info at TAWCMM.com. And we would like to let you know real quickly, we've got a major event coming up January 26th and 27th in Kernersville, North Carolina, at the Crossing Church North Main Campus with Friday night.

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And we'll see you folks next week. God bless. We love you all. And Will, would you like to close us in prayer?

Yes. Lord, we thank you for this opportunity that you've given us here to speak the truth of the word. We thank you, God, for the subject matter. We thank you, God, that people who are listening to the podcast would just be vigilant in going and ensuring that what they're hearing, what they're saying is of the truth. We thank you, God, for the stand that we take because you said that if we have confidence in you, that we can ask anything in your name and you will do it. We thank you, God, for this opportunity and for all the blessings that you have shared upon us in 2023 and those that we are expecting in 2024. Thank you. We love you in Jesus name. Amen.

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