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September 27, 2020 4:00 pm
Welcome to Man Talk, with your Hosts Will Hardy and Roy Jones Jr. This episode focuses on systemic racism, and the recent events happening in our nation, from a biblical point of view. Man Talk welcomes Dwayne Cannady, host of the show Bridging The Gap to join in the discussion.
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CM is talking and walking Christian men's ministry where they are devoted to breaking down the walls of race, age, challenging, and they take their God assigned as our host will Hardy and Roy Jones Junior, a black guy and a white man thought. Will Hardy the black guy never would Jones do I get it and we are two brothers from different mothers, but same father a man a bed and Roy. We got a guess here today that some may recognize him from his so bridging the gap minister to the house in the house with us today and we talked about a very sensitive subject everybody on the news have seen what has happen out there with joy exploiting every body has had the opinion about you know quite should be done in order to bring about some type of reconciliation.
So we will talk about that today because it's it's a topic that needs to be discussed and if it's discussed, it should be discussed in the church because this is where things like this should be talked about because we are the arms, legs, eyes of Christ while we are here in this body. A man is good to have you here. Was this a blessedness must be him to be here. You know I'll be following you guys around you guys. He handed me a business I love what you guys adorned with men's ministry and that's one of the first ministries that I start out was with with men's ministry. So I just appreciate you guys in the love that you have for the Lord and for others you know shows and what you do appreciate you, try to make breakfast. The rest tomorrow morning. You see, I got AT&T guys come into our studio to studio histories, dance, I got a beat at 8 o'clock, trying to figure it out, try to figure it out but it I got a call and uses like a most repair guys got wind of 2012 will be an excellent as well and I don't want to miss it.
We missed the flight straight. Just about that will be 8 o'clock where heavy and so good. Get this thing started on me. It's been very difficult two months. I guess that would suggest another highlight in the challenges would go to this country and of course across the world deal with racism as you were talk before show doing it certainly does not just between black and whites between multiple races. Some of the same race and just different economic groups that caused the separation than a lot of things going on so were just excited to get started. Hi folks, we note this will be a little uncomfortable for if your listing could be a little bit uncomfortable for all of us because you know we we haven't pre-pre-rehearsed this thing never talk ahead of time.
We say this get together and get this thing started. So were basically come you live with this conversation so you here as is being discussed and if it's if it's hard for you.
If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then you should be uncomfortable really exactly because you know we we want to step out of the comfort zone. That's right. And let me lead off by saying this we the three of us are all followers of Christ.
We love each other's brothers in Christ because of money to several years now, and that's all that matters. So if any earthly parts of those conversations come in is is is brothers in Christ will hold each other and check Jesus what God wants us to do this where we need to be as a society doesn't. That's the good part about being followers of Christ. You can have difficult conversations within the day. You know you love each other and that's a key principle and truth. Truth is sweet. The truth is sweet but it can be better canceled honey to the mouth going down better. Yes, it is so win-win listeners when you see what you're seeing that's happening in the news and happening now around the world is not just Americans around the world. It's in London it's in Spain it's in Belgium. All of these protests now has spread around the world. And so when we look at this we say what what is the issue that that's what's going on in the mind right now. What is the issue that is being faced with America and what we have seen on the news and reference because Roy just three or four weeks ago we were talking about it on my library and now we we're talking about George flowing so you know it's like this turnaround.
I remember you had asked me during that conversation, you know what what was it, or how was I feeling and one of things I say it was here it goes again.
Well, here it goes again so so now we we are sort we sorta like went full-circle yet. I'd like to know when you say here it goes again. What exactly does that mean when you say here it goes again in your heart. What is that's resonating to when you see so here goes again. We talk about the death of a black man.
We talk on the African-American men we talk about the fact the police officer actually solves involved will make sure were clear to the list right when I say here it goes again or is it just the death of a man. I believe it's it's overall you know it it it's the over all arching effect of when people see number one constantly on the news, police brutality and we got I got brought some things with me that we don't talk about in reference to how brutality of the police or violence of the police department can be diminish. Based on the statistics that we don't talk about later, but when use when you see and we were talk about this earlier. A policeman with his neck on the back of an individual.
Okay, we saw that happen. We saw in South Carolina where a man who was basically running away from the policeman shot them in the back.
We see what Ahmad Aubrey so we see when Michael Brown up there in an was in Missouri so we have all of these examples, so will we take each example of what we've seen and we say what if that individual who was on the other side of that fence.
When that man was running away in South Carolina.
What if the video wasn't recording what would have been the end result right socially. So see so so the telephone camera has actually changed the mentality of how things are projected to the media and the truth eventually is coming out so yeah so when I when I say that that's that's what I mean. I mean that the whole the whole scope is not just one specific item within the scope is the whole scope right so when this started the last couple weeks when pull statistics. Actually my youngest son have a conversation about because I was troubled by what continues to go on between whites and Blacks and infant just in the breakdown in relationships right because it's were never good to get any better. We talked about if with special for is the body of Christ can't do it right.
Lord knows that the world get right so statistically. He said that if you look at the numbers entered to this point there in 2019 or 260 or 270 black American manner black men in America killed by police officers in the in the same year in them off maybe a few thousand 360 some white men killed by police officer. So the point being that targets a holistic view is that there 600 men that were key on who granted you know, and we know it's it's it's more publicized to wording earlier. It was on the media about the black man that are being have been killed but we haven't seen any about the white man to have been killed wrongfully like or with excessive force and and let's be real clear were not be in down on any of our police on this week's write what you we love you we know you have a very difficult job absolutely want to protect calls after as well is like any professional like any any company or any family there's always some people that are out there doing something that had been with the police officer before we got it and we had an initial program for a few weeks. He said Roy did you realize that that guy had 1818 complaints on him prior to this incident. This particular officer not been dealt with.
So there was a breakdown in the process right. In fact, he said he should never even got in he would've made the most psychological sense, with what I thought was extra so because of the fact he said this me curses over 19 years who will Aaron has not had he's been 19 years.
This will have a complaints. If you have her excessive force. There's a big man, so he's 64. I said zero so I think Lisbeth Estes will throw that out there as part of our conversation, we say here. Go get them just one what that what that meant. And trust me, you know my heart broken hearted by all of this, but I think it's important for listeners to know it's not just one side to doings, earlier it is. It happens on both sides of the fence right let's get into Canada and hit what what you see here as the issue while you know this so much on the tape on the table and and not I have a lot to say but but I will stop I will start right here. You know with the camera set up the phone cam because that exposed it with it without that we nobody would know anything a meso so you have to go before the camera, and this realized company events was never was.
It wasn't the publicized right so this is this is not this is not a 50-year-old thing. This is a 400 year thing you know what you what you actually have this whole problem it's it's a boiling point everything just to a boiling point. You know and and is boiling now. The key principle is that we before it was just it was just African-Americans protesting enough we have the world. I mean, it was the hundred thousand some people in New Zealand protest walking down talk about black clouds mounting and also what one says that this is more publicized now so change is going to come, changes being made. But the thing about about the individual thing because you have to, you know the oppressed. If the oppressed is the only one talking about the oppression it's never going to change, you have to have the oppressor walk get to a place where this is wrong and is now now I think what you have now you have a lot of people that are empathizing not just have been empathizing with our culture because you not matching your kid, you just take your kid from coming so we had to. This is a 400 year problem is get to a boiling point of five. The police, take that's the key principle like that I can be police looking because I will be one of the guys. I'm not going take Noel's Michael take a loss sends one coming in to the situation with my mind like you so so some people can't be police some people shouldn't be police lights and that's with a mental they have to check these people like to point out that suggested that this is that's the deep stuff these people have to be you know that I think everything needs to go right now we are right now I have to go to some type of police reform they have to.
When the foundation is.
This is messed up. Get the tear the whole foundation down and rebuild it, and that's what with that's where it is, but that's we should be going right now so success a lot of stuff. Well I don't disagree with you doing I think what we have to be cognizant of his ticket. Whatever the ratio is best. Statistics don't lie the numbers of occurrences that we talk about them and come back to understand the scope of there are some bad folks out there. We we all agree on both sides by focusing on the civilian side by personal job on will be back here just a moment. Thank you very much your CM and would love to have you join their community of men for breakfast every first and third Friday of every month, Bible discussions and fellowship.
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So is good to have you back with so as we're talking up for break doing.
We talk about statistically speaking right so I guess it's like anything you have to get to take the total number of incidents against the total population of the total number of occurrences that go on within whatever profession is. In this case, the total number of incidents that police officers do their job day in day out. No issues and level people. They try to coach people even when they read and spat on their getting the right word spends a lot of on all those things they still do it right every day so we have these situations where things have gone wrong either because the person should've been job to begin with, or they've just gotten so complacent with life because of all they see every day and then and then of course this not forget what was it like three years ago that officers are being killed shot at random. I mean, may I think is inside three years wasn't so I couldn't imagine putting on my uniform every day and not first. Not knowing what the summer is going shoot at me or just kill me walk up to the car and executing or if a movie shot did not Michael or Gordon to domestic situations are very, very difficult job very difficult when it has to be some type of of training and response and staying up with these people because please see some of the horrific thing.
I mean, it's a terrible thing that their career and you know it's on and on and on AC day in and day out, you know it now should I mean I see some horrible thing and you know what happened is sex yet does it did desensitize him and it actually makes very callous and so I think the same thing happens people growing up.
That's one thing we talk to back to what our whole job is as an organization is getting men to take the proper got assigned roles and we know in this one, things all talk at what role does the lack of father play in in the situations where people get into trouble if you get into trouble you get arrested there's some the some basis behind getting arrested right for breaking the law to get arrested.
This is the separate the in the inappropriate behavior.
The police officer. Let's get to the core issue I would like to throw that out is a discussion point if you're not getting in trouble. You have an account with Lisa generally speak now, there are those racial profiling situation we see works like it stop because of his color skin. We talked about that's that's back to wrong that's back to training this back to loving on people instead of expecting the worst so that I love spell that out. There's a question well before you before we dive into that. I want to go back to something that was stated earlier, is that all policemen are not like the police that we solving the neck on the back and neck on the back of a guy on the ground all police like that to see what that is.
Is it stereotypical is what it is.
If it's a stereotype. If you wear the uniform you automatically evil and as I chase exactly right. You know you you you if you African-American you play basketball and eat watermelon.
That's a stereotype you know an Asian individual.
All of them know martial arts seek these stereotypical ideologies is what break down the system of really concrete thinking the way we should go into a discussion will start talking about us.
You know so we can't look at the small part and say judge the whole holders like the small agree with you will that's good good summary and see when we put that out there and we say okay that's out there now.
So when we talk were not talking about the whole we talk about just those individuals who go against the things that they were trying to do right now since we started talking about the police officer and again how holy thought thought that because I got some just to live shows you where you are absolutely so I got this off of website call campaign zero is call eight. Can't wait.org it's it's actually a website that Pres. Obama recommended people go to and see if there are particular cities are listed and how they are listed as far as category and so they said on this website that if police policies if they do these things then the police policy and the police violence as a result of policy would go down 72% which I thought was like wow just blown away, but apparently this disk organization keeps the statistics and number one was they need to bar charcoals that was number one bar charcoals number two was require an officer to D escalate a situation that's a big and right absolutely well okay keep going to let out.
I see right now. The boys all geared up only thing that was the escalation so the number three was require a warning before shooting it isn't right off the website now I'm reading and then it says exhausts number four was exhaust all other means before shooting number five was their duty to intervene. Now this one was a big one in just what we just saw their duty to intervene intervene in what, in reference to the amount of force someone else that is being used which messages exactly which means which means that when the individual had his neck on George Floyd to officers for the sake get off this guy and that's with that's intervening.
That's what the officer had dinner with his refer to as well and in it was banned shooting and moving vehicles. That was that was on the website and then require the use of force continuum.
Now, what force continuum is and it's it's like a broad definition, but force continuum in the course and probably speak better to this one have them on. It says that an officer is required to use the amount of force necessary based on the resistance that is being given to him in reference to her arrest.
So again that's brought see it in you can go a whole lot of places, but again they are trained in areas like close area and in the last one was require a comprehensive report and see the officers there in the land without the six that got fired.
What they did.
They turned off the body can so again. So now you won't have a comprehensive rep of report based on video you got one word against another word so but yeah I don't going back to that de-escalation to just sit here thinking that all of us from sitting room stable have been in situations where stuff started escalate one person doesn't de-escalate the situation.
They can attempt to the other person is listening and will react accordingly can be escalated, but how many times officers get out there whether the domestic doesn't matter what color skin is they get into the domestic situation and have to time to see a good answer domestic call fight between husband and wife. Guess who does it get attacked the to the woman turns on the husband. The man turns on the husband and on whose rhythmic made the call and generally want to make the calls coming back after the officer so that's just a small example de-escalation doesn't work that needs to be much was so situations like we deal with right now when there's hundreds of people, if not thousands of people that are tearing up stuffing and blowing up stores and burn them down and yummy and then only in their own neighborhoods to some of these people aren't even in those neighborhoods there to show up Howdy de-escalate that and that's where some of the police officer been accused of not of not doing anything watching stuff happen. Well, at some point when the numbers out. Outweigh your numbers of right control. I would assume that they have no choice but to come of this.
They can't de-escalate my point is I guess that's a great theoretical step when when all know is not it's not theoretical in the sense is what they're saying here is, the officer should do this. We're not saying it's going to work. We send that as part of your training.
You should go in a an attempt to de-escalate with which we we can we can give examples we can give examples as to all of what why something like this won't work, but that's what we have to do they have to go in an attempt did not sing a song we know in the officer had dinner with spoke very much today about the process was 15, know what he would've done he told this correction if the been you had a broken jaw. As you would been offered the sister heart is and I think if we were survey 100 police officers would probably get 98% would respond saying they are talk to de-escalate their talk to go in and manage things that are massless to get emotional and I think is the biggest thing to get out there trying to take control of any environment that they're coming and I think that's that's like a porn opponent. Can you nominate I tell my kids all the time. If you do something nice for someone as you can get better results than being being the media get out but didn't know I take my hat off to the police officers I tell you this because I can do it. I couldn't do it. I deftly be in cuffs and you know I'm not going to single you know I can do with you, but I was out.
I remember I got I just bought a car. It was nighttime aboard a car and I was driving had some friends. Whitney and I pulled up and and the cops pulled me over because the stuff had on the plate hat when the liquor that the drink and drink and plates on and so I know that about this artist should give them my information and all the stuff and the guy was like a man.
You know what you pretty nice man.
I do not wish to talk to let you go but then the silence is barren and then Robocop pulled up on all the coal jumped out of the car, slammed the door fixings. When he was walking to me. He boldly bought me almost like bought me into the car.
That night I got locked up because of Robocop. The other cop was talk that showed him all my contingency was that okay yeah yeah get the thing about it right before the cop said global put up. He said a man. I'm sorry to have been fully social processes.
You gotta go there. Whether you are stereotyped new car with friends or stereotypes. In this example, de-escalation is farther training.
This doesn't always work because we know human nature. On the other side of the fight was about what types of pay is lowered the first word the first half hour ago. So take a back door is next week will pick this conversation back up ways will stay with us and that will for to have you back so God bless all you folks and we hope you enjoy the show today show. Be assured that TA W CMM talking walking Christian men's ministry is building a community of men Christ followers with a desire to be servant leaders in their homes, communities, churches and work environments. Check out our website for upcoming events of regularly scheduled meetings, drop us a note for topics that you would like to have us visit in the future. Thank you for joining us on man talk today. Visit us at www.tawcmm.com men walking the talk