Sexual Impurity to Slavery Part 2

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Welcome to Man Talk, brought to you by TAWCMN, talking and walking Christian men's ministry, where they're devoted to breaking down the walls of race and denomination, and challenging men to take their God-assigned role. Here's our hosts, Will Hardy and Roy Jones Jr., a black guy and a white guy. Welcome back to this week's program. My name is Roy Jones, and I'm the white guy.

And I'm Will Hardy, the black guy. We appreciate you taking your afternoon to spend a little time with us. We're welcoming Mark back for part two of our conversation between from sexual impurity to slavery. And as we ended last week's show, we were getting just really starting to scratch the surface, Will. What do you think?

I think so, Roy. You know, there was so much to this topic that we just, the listeners and myself, that we just didn't know that was happening and how much money is being, is exchanging hands as a result of this, you know. Right. It's such a sad topic, but I think it's one that needs to be vocalized in our community. I agree.

And if you didn't hear last week's show, we'll give you a quick recap. Ninety billion dollars a year is being spent just in the U.S. alone on the pornography industry. And we need to have pornography. I mean, we're buying that many magazines or we're looking at that many websites that it costs. But, folks, it's not just that, and that's bad in itself, but it goes beyond that. It strikes the very heart of our nation and our children, which is our future generation and our future leaders.

And as we get into this conversation with Mark, we're going to learn a little bit more about that. But think about the numbers. Ninety billion, that's B with B as in billion. And most of the consumers, Roy, as we heard on last week's show, most of the consumers are Americans. Yeah, globally. That's exactly right. The highest consumption and the highest spend, I think.

Mark, what did you say? It was 250-some billion globally, I believe, if I remember correctly. Yeah, it is estimated to be $150 billion industry as far as the trafficking. Globally, I'm not sure of the number, but I can tell you what drives it. If you just take one of the largest porn sites in America, if you just take the stats from that one site, they have 92 million visitors a day.

A day. Worldwide, 92 million people. That means every minute, almost 64,000 new visitors arrive at that website. People don't understand that that's happening, but when you look at, like you mentioned in the last show, Roy, the phones and the unaccountability that we give them to our children to do whatever, it's no wonder that, I'm throwing out more stats here, it's no wonder that 65% of 14-year-olds are already looking at porn.

They've already seen it, they already know how to access it, everything. That is just shocking, because what that is creating is, he's a slave himself. He's a slave to this desire, and he has the potential of being that person that we bust the door down and arrest later in life.

So Mark, one of the things we were talking about that we wanted to bring into this show that prior to starting today was Ted Bundy. And for those that are old enough to remember the story there, James Dobson several years ago interviewed him, and one of the things that he made very clear on the interview with James Dobson was that it all started with pornography. And pornography went from regular pornography to violent pornography, and then that no longer worked, so then it had to become a physical act to get out and engage in, which then resulted in murders, a serial killer. And see, for guys like this, it's like this aphrodisiac type of thing. It's bringing them to that next high level mentally, and they experience this thing through either the sexual act itself, which leads to abusing the victim, or in Ted Bundy's case, just murdering him.

After he's done the abuse, right. So let's go back to the heart of this thing, Mark. We're referring to the child slavery, the sex slavery.

And folks, if you didn't join us last week, it's a sad, sad stat that we're talking about globally. And many of these children, as Mark had shared with us, are either coming from desperate families. They're either hungry or unable to take care for these children. They're selling them to other people that are marketing them or using them for the sexual abuse. And then also within the pornography industry itself, Mark shared with us last week that many of these young ladies and children are actually being abused and raped as part of the filming process. So it's actually an event that's occurring that you may, as a consumer, if you happen to be looking at this, maybe think, well, I'm a spectator, but no, you're actually a witness to a crime, because from what Mark had shared, these folks are actually being attacked and raped and physically assaulted. Yeah, it's a double dip for the perpetrator because, or the pimp, you know.

And here's a real-life example. In the Netherlands, investigators were able to calculate the profit that was generated by two different sex traffickers from their victim. Now, one trafficker, he earned about $20,000 per month from his four victims, while the second trafficker, he earned almost triple that in 14 months because he was exploiting them, not only to buyers, but was filming it and then selling it and then selling the video. So these traffickers, pornography is a big part of their income because they can double in on the victimization of this girl. The perpetrator that's physically there is victimizing the girl, and then they can sell the porn to Americans, and they pay for that as well. Mark, I have a question for you.

God just puts this on my heart. Indirectly, we have accountability for the things we do, whether we're directly involved or indirectly involved. So I'm going to ask you a question. Does the individual that does not take care of what's going on with their child's phone, are they indirectly engaged in supporting this industry? Yeah, they are.

They are. I'll tell you, the mom or dad that thinks, oh, he's just a boy, you know, or they think it's sufficient to tell a young man who, you know, is going to be struggling already to say, oh, well, just don't go to those websites or be careful with your phone. It's not enough. It's not enough. I mean, the fact that, you know, a 12-year-old boy has a phone and can access, you know, not just light pornography, but the hardest, the hard pornography that you and I, when we were kids, you know, we didn't say it just wasn't there, thank God.

And if we had to ever see any porn, we had to, you know, steal it from a magazine or kids had to go get it now, you know, a boy or girl can just tip of their fingers, just access it. You know, Mark, you know, when you were talking about on last week, how do you find out about, you know, the various victims? For our work internationally, we've got, you know, we all have a past of international work and we've got networks around the globe. And we work with sometimes even American agencies internationally, but we also work, of course, with those countries that we work in.

And so if they have established intelligence groups, they often just don't have the resources to follow through with that information. And so we help them with that. Some countries we're working, I'll be honest, they don't have anything.

They hardly have gas for their vehicles, you know. So we start by training a foreign unit that has jurisdiction over that whole country. We come in and we select a group and they train with us, they learn from us, we train them in tactics, everything, rescue operations, hostage situations. And then they begin to work, we work together. And often that's working through nightclubs and brothels at nighttime, you know, raiding those places, pulling out the victims, and then, you know, making the arrests. The end goal is that eventually they're doing this on their own within this country and they're combating it in their own country when we're not there.

You know, we already have two countries that do that fairly well. But intelligence is not hard to get. People sometimes wonder, but it's really not hard.

You go to a country and hop on a motorcycle taxi and say, find me a girl. They know where they're at, you know. You know, we're participating in seeing operations and stuff as well.

But, you know, there's so much out there. There's 40 million people in slavery. When I say slavery, they're in sex slavery, labor slavery.

That's a form of trafficking. So 40 million in the world today. That's far greater than any number in civilization's history.

There are more slaves today than there ever, ever have been. And that's on both sides of the fence, right, Mark? That's men, women, children. Yep. Yep. So, wow. Yeah, your country is, you know, in Asia Pacific.

You know, one of my teammates specialized. He worked in Pakistan a lot. And I've worked in that region as well. Because of the caste system, I mean, there's just tremendous amounts of slavery. So, you know, a family may borrow $20 and end up trying to work that off for 10 years. And in the process, their daughters are slaves. They're six, seven-year-old girls. And then they're sold at nighttime. They're sold to men. You know, all because this slave owner says, well, you've got to owe me.

And the interest is so great, the family can never pay it back. Oh, my goodness. A lot of Christians. A lot of Christians are taken advantage of, Roy, around the world. A lot. And can you elaborate a little bit more on that, Mark?

Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, it's a touchy subject, but, you know, Islam is evil. And it is a great persecutor of the Christian faith. And we see that rising up, not just up in the Middle East, but we see it in Asia Pacific.

We see it in Africa right now, in Niger, in Nigeria. And it takes possession of people. And it persecutes the infidel in their mind. And that is the Christian. So that is happening more and more. Something like, if I read right, in Pakistan, 80 percent of those that are enslaved in Pakistan are Christians.

Wow. And it goes back to what Will mentioned in last week's show about we just don't understand what it means. We can go get a jug of water right out of the faucet, where other countries, they've got to hike two miles. And then that's just from a staple standpoint. And then this stuff is happening. And we just don't hear much about it. I mean, if you're on the Christian Post or some of those other publications, you may see some of this that Mark is referring to.

But, you know, that's it. It goes back to the media is all about this inner, in our own borders, if you will. That's what we hear about most of our stories.

And these days, it's all politicized. We're not hearing about real issues. We're not hearing about God issues. We're not hearing about eternal things.

Very rarely. I said this stuff probably two months ago at the beginning of this whole situation our world's in about this COVID-19. I said be careful because our governments are, they're experts at making you refocus on something they call a crisis so that we avoid the real crisis. Amen.

That's so true. And we have got so many real crises around the globe right now that are far worse than this, you know, COVID-19. Of course, you know, this virus has caused a tremendous amount of crises in countries where they can't get food now.

They can't get health care, you know. Yeah. And we'll come back to that and what the ramifications are. And the real crisis is, folks, God needs you to come home. We need you back in the kingdom or to get there if you've never been there.

Absolutely. We'll be back in just a few moments. So, Mark, thank you so much for joining us. We'll be right back.

Thank you. Welcome back to Man Talk Radio. Roy, you got to jump on me. You got to jump on me there, brother.

You got to jump on me. But, hey, I'm trying to stay ahead of the audience. I'm just trying to stay ahead. You know, we were we've been talking about this subject here on, you know, sexual impurity to slavery. And, you know, a lot of what we've been talking about is it's just sad to hear to the ear, but it is necessary. And, you know, when we when we are outside, get outside of our four walls and of comfort zone, Roy, I think and we start really looking at the issues that are at hand, then we as the church can do something about what we're hearing today.

And if you have a heart for the Lord and you have compassion for people, which is exactly what Jesus Christ had, then you need to get involved. You not not just listen to us talk back and forth about the problem because it's a problem out there. But get involved. And we gave you some websites on the last show.

We'll give you some more on this show. But this is where it has to start, Roy. And we talked about it starting at home first. So how how do we as men of God and representative or supposed to be representatives for the kingdom? How do we go about and we pose this to Mark, too. How do we go about getting starting with our children and addressing issues like this? Well, I'll I'll jump right in there. Mark, you feel free to chime in right away. But back to what we talked about earlier, there's got to be controls on the phone, because as Mark mentioned earlier, when we were all growing up, you had to go try to find a magazine that had been thrown away or, you know, your buddy had taken one out of his dad.

He had taken one out of his dad's collection or something. So you might see some soft pornography, a picture of a naked woman. But and again, we've we don't know these days what kids are looking at. We know what they have access to. But it's got to start on the phones with the house.

If I'm the head of my household and I've got young men or young women even. And that's the other thing we haven't really talked much about. We kind of let put this burden on the on the young boys. And Mark, you can share about this, too. But more and more women and young girls are getting engaged in pornography.

Statistically, it's going up. So if I'm the father of the household, I'm going to have triple X or covenant eyes or something to that effect. In fact, through the show, we've decided we're going to put the links to those protective mechanisms on our website, www.tawkm.com.

We'll make that available to you. So, Mark, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, there's a shift in our in our world that's happened with the cell phone and soft porn has disappeared.

I mean, I hate to call anything in thin, soft, but it's disappeared. And the recent the most recent Gallup poll was in 2018 and it found that 40 over 40 percent of American men said that porn was OK. I mean, four out of ten.

You know that that is truly speaks to the heart of our nation and the problem we're having. You know, and then almost 20 percent of women describe themselves as being addicted to pornography. And so, you know, parents have got to get that phone out of that child's hand and put, you know, you shouldn't have Android unless you got bark loaded on it or one covenant eyes or something like that.

It just doesn't have the restrictions like an iPhone. You need to get that iPhone, put every restriction on it that you possibly can as a parent. And then you need to monitor their phone, you know, and and look at it and spend time on it because you're not just I mean, there's so many correlations to pornography and marriage and the length of marriages.

There's so much information out there that just makes you realize there is a war going on and parents need to take notice. And, you know, Mark, people have a tendency, you know, to say and I've had men say this in counseling. Well, I'm not hurting anybody by watching it. So what do you say to that guy who says, well, I'm not hurting anybody.

What do you say to him? You know, I wish he could look into the eyes, the hollow eyes of girls that you know, I've rescued who have been subjected to live video campsite right now with this pandemic. Let me tell you, campsites are out the roof because men can't leave their home. You know, they're not they've not been out doing what they normally do. Perpetrators aren't doing that, but they're still finding a way to, you know, fulfill their aggression and their desires. And they're using illegal campsites where there are girls who are suffering, you know.

And, you know, I know there's many who watch that and say, well, you know, there's no harm in this. They have no idea the hollowness of some of these victims and just the tears and the years of tribulation that these victims went through. And I think see that they I think they don't understand there that on the last show we talked about planning that seed. I don't think they really understand that a seed is being planted and the roots of the seed are bitter.

It's bitter roots and it begins to propagate, you know, underneath until finally it starts surfacing, you know, to the forefront of an individual's mind and heart. And then they want to act these things out that they see. So now they see a girl or a lady walking down the street, you know, maybe with a tight fitting dress or some low cut shorts. And now, you know, they're picturing themselves, you know, doing things that they've seen on the Internet with this person who they don't even know.

They just see off the street. So it's it's you know, it it's it's a it's a virus is what it is. You know, we're we're in the midst of the virus now. Coronavirus. But this is a virus.

This virus, however, it has permanent effects if and only if we submit to it. So when we keep our eyes on the Lord. And I'm talking about you men out here who say you were born again, you're a Christian and you you are doing those things for Christ. But yet you have this secret identity of going in the bathroom or in the basement or to your car and you're doing things that that's unseemly and the eyes of God is watching. So to you, man, I say that you will not you might get by, but you will never get away.

You will never get away with the act, because for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. If I could quote the science, though, there is, you know, Mark, what is the number of Christian men? You gave some statistics a moment or two ago, 40 percent of American men are think porn's OK. 20 percent of women admitted to being addicted to pornography. Do you know what the percentage is of men in the church that are watching or looking at pornography on a regular basis?

Now, I cannot pull a source on this and I'd have to do a little bit of research to verify, but I have heard that the staff of pornography pornography use among Christian, non-Christian is not that it's not that different. Well, it's almost the same. It's not scary that I was getting ready to say, Mark, that that's very scary. And I think this goes back to we've watered down the what's what used to be wrong. We've accepted as we don't say anything against it. And we've also said, well, that's not really a bad thing.

That's up to the individual. But wrong is wrong, folks. And that's especially if you're walking with the Lord and you're following Christ.

Wrong is wrong. You don't need to water down the gospel. His word has all the answers, and you don't need to listen to my opinion about it or Will's or Mark's opinion about it. But you need to understand if it's in the Bible and he says it's wrong, it's wrong. And we know that sex, we assume this is understood, that was designed for man and woman in matrimony, not to be watched by another person, not to be experienced prior to marriage, not saying that God can't heal you from all this stuff, but that was where it was originally created and what it was intended for. He intended for that to be the bonding, the soul tie between the man and the wife. And if you're doing all these other things, you're planting seeds for Satan to manifest at a later time when things get difficult in your marriage, when your marriage is not intimate like it needs to be, all of a sudden you start rationalizing these other things. Back to what we said, the mind can convince you of anything.

The brain will sit there and work all this stuff out. So folks, we need you, you, if you're listening today, we need you to take a stand for your brother, for your sister, for your mom, for your dad, for the person that sits next to you in church, and for the person that you'll never see that's next door that may be abused or being violated, because you can make a difference. And there's many ways you can do that, and it starts in your own four walls. So Mark, as we're coming into the last few moments, tell the people what is your heart? What keeps you awake at night or what wakes you up at night that you wish you could tell every person that you could touch or speak to?

Sure. You know, God has given us a beautiful world to live in, and truly, as Americans, we experience things that we take for granted. There's so much comfort here, there's so much great things to take advantage of, and outside, you don't need pornography to be happy in this country. There's so much available to us, and it shouldn't even be a temptation, because God, the Father of Lights, has blessed us with so much. With that said, I believe that every Christian man has a responsibility to do more than he's doing now. And for me, that was that I needed to use my resources and capabilities and training to go overseas and rescue girls. For an individual man, I can't say what it is, but he has got to search that out with the Lord, because the American dream is not enough.

It's not enough just to provide for your family and to have a two-car garage and a paved driveway and a nice car and a dog and all that. That is not what God is hoping for you. And I hope that men who hear this, you know, one, I know there's some men who just feel beat up right now. They struggle with pornography, and I hope they find some help and hope. But number two, the men who are thinking they've got everything under their belt, see what else the Lord wants them to do.

That's a great close. Will, final remark? Well, don't use the excuse, well, I'm trying to spice up my marriage, that's why I'm doing it. Again, when you do this, you're planting seeds.

And God wants to remove these seeds before they get into the soil and take root. And so that's my final comment, Roy. Thank you, Will. And as we're closing out, folks, we want to just ask that you pray for Mark and the mission that he's doing.

Absolutely. We want to ask you to pray for these children that you don't know overseas. And we want God to just work a miracle and break this pornography up, break this sex slavery up. And let's get our world back on track to following Christ. Amen?

Amen. Thank you so much for joining us. Mark, it's been great having you, and we'll look forward to seeing you soon.

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