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Jesus Skeptic - Jesus and Freedom for the People You Love, Part 2

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July 20, 2022 6:00 am

Jesus Skeptic - Jesus and Freedom for the People You Love, Part 2

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July 20, 2022 6:00 am

Christianity’s under a lot of criticism lately, because we’ve failed to act like Jesus. In this program, our guest teacher John Dickerson suggests that ignoring our Christian values, is far more dangerous. As he concludes his series "Jesus Skeptic", John encourages us to get back to our faith-based roots, which inspired those who came before us, to change the world.

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Christianity and Christians are taking a lot of criticism in our day.

Some to be sure is deserved. We failed to live out our faith. But our ignorance concerning the bedrock values and the impact of faithful Christians is far more dangerous. We have to go back to our roots. We have to know what we believe and how those who came before us have lived out the faith to change the world.

That's today. Stick around. Thanks for joining us for this Edition of Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. I'm Dave Drury, and Chip's our Bible teacher for this international discipleship ministry focused on helping Christians live like Christians. Today we'll wrap up our new series, Jesus Skeptic, taught by our guest teacher, John Dickerson. John's the lead pastor at Connection Point Christian Church and is also an award-winning investigative journalist. We hope this has been a very thought-provoking series for you. So if you would, take a minute after the message and share it with a friend, either through the Chip Ingram app or by downloading the free MP3s at

Well, with all that said, let's join John now for the second half of his message, Jesus and Freedom for the People You Love. Just imagine if right now there were no universities in the United States, the roads that you drove on today to get here wouldn't be like that because there wouldn't be engineers trained to grade and design the road like that. The vehicle you have wouldn't exist.

The electricity you have that you can turn on the lights, it wouldn't be there. Without the university, you remove that one thing from the last 1,000 years and we're back in the dark ages. So where did the university system come from?

Well, we don't have to have an opinion about this or guess because it's documented. The university system as we know it started about 1,000 years ago in Europe and it started in Christian cathedrals. I'll show you here the crest of Oxford University, which is still ranked the number one university in the world.

Oxford was founded in 1096 AD, so it is almost 1,000 years old. This crest has three crowns on it, which are symbolic of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This crest in the middle has some Latin words.

What do those Latin words say? They say this, the Lord is my light. Education was called the light of learning and the whole idea was that the light of learning would enlighten society so that people could treat each other the way Jesus said. Now, the church that Oxford grew out of, was it a perfect church? No, churches tend to get corrupted throughout history.

They get a lot of power and money and they tend to get corrupted, but every time that happens, there's a band of sincere followers of Jesus who say, hey, this isn't about Jesus anymore, we're gonna break off and we're gonna get back to following Jesus. And that happens all throughout history. Oxford is not unique in being founded as a Christian university. Now, the word university actually comes from a Latin word for all things, universita. And these were cathedral schools that were at the largest Christian cathedrals throughout Europe and they said we're gonna start to teach all things, universita. So if you trace the first seed universities like Oxford, you'll find about a dozen of them throughout Europe. All of them grew out of Christian cathedrals.

All of them have overtly Christian foundings like this. Those universities would then train up people like Isaac Newton. Now, if you were to ask who's the most influential scientist in all of history? Who has transformed society so that we now live in the modern era?

You know who I'd like to ask that question to? Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein, who would you say is the most influential scientist ever? And he answered that question and he said it's Isaac Newton. You know, you were taught about him with the apple and gravity, that guy. Isaac Newton unlocked the cabinets of science for all of humanity and soon after that would be the industrial revolution and the modern era because of Isaac Newton's learnings. Behind me here is a picture of one of the pages of Isaac Newton's journals.

He was prolific. There are tens of thousands of pages. Now, if you know anything about ancient languages, you see at the top there Hebrew on the third line. That's the Hebrew language, the Jewish language.

It's what the Old Testament is written in. See, Isaac Newton started as a theology student. He learned ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek and ancient Aramaic. He would go into the libraries at Cambridge and Oxford and he would pull out ancient manuscripts of the Bible.

And all of this is documented. He would do these mathematical calculations from the Old Testament. He made predictions based on those. And for Isaac Newton, if you read his works like Principia, one of his most seminal works, you'll find that his theology and his science were hand in hand. He was a devoted follower of Jesus and we don't know that from people's opinions. We know that because we can read his own writings. You might think, well, is Isaac Newton some weird anomaly or exception?

Here's the bottom line. Johannes Kepler, who gave you your eyeglasses. Blaise Pascal. Robert Boyle, who gave us Boyle's Law, the father of modern chemistry.

And the list goes on. If you take a secular atheist's list of the most influential scientists in the Scientific Revolution and then you look at their own primary writings, you'll find that over 90% of them were Christians and that over 70% of them wrote passionate things like Kepler and Pascal and Isaac Newton about their faith in God. Here's an excerpt from one of those journals of Isaac Newton. He wrote, this is life eternal. That they might know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Now here's my point. I'm not saying that Isaac Newton was perfect or that any Christian was perfect. The only perfect person is Jesus. But when people form a whole group and say we're going to try to obey the word of God, it leads the people around them up into more freedom, more dignity for the people around them. And this would be my assessment based on the hundreds of ancient documents that I compile in the book Jesus Skeptic, that we live in a society that is the result of a pursuit of truth.

It's almost like climbing a mountain. Graduates of Cambridge would cross the Atlantic and start Harvard University started by the Reverend John Harvard, a pastor. And its seminary graduates would go start Yale and Princeton.

Their graduates would start the University of Michigan and IU and Butler. And literally the entire university system that we know today can all be traced back here in the U.S. to Harvard, which traces back to Cambridge and Oxford. And all of them were overtly founded to teach the Bible.

Now clearly that's not their main thing anymore. But they and their graduates have brought more light to the world than perhaps any other movement in history. Now if you want to get nerdy like me, in the late 1800s, if you wonder why doesn't Harvard and Yale, why don't they teach all about Jesus anymore? In the late 1800s, as many of those nations that had been predominantly Christian experienced prosperity and wealth and freedom, unlike any other in the world, any other in history, people thought we're smart enough, we don't need God anymore. This God stuff is kind of antiquated. I mean could a guy really raise people from the dead?

You're telling me that God came to earth and died on a cross and rose from the dead? And the smartest people at the smartest universities decided we could build a better society without God. Why do we need God?

And this is very clearly traced through academia and philosophy in the late 1800s. You get at German universities that had been founded by Martin Luther, a Protestant Christian, you get this philosophic turn that says we don't need God anymore. Perhaps you've heard of Frederick Nietzsche, who said around that time God is dead. We can build a better society without God. Let's keep the progress and the success and the technology but get rid of the Bible. And it wasn't long after that that the world started to spin into chaos.

Two world wars would follow. And we now live at a time where there's still a lot of Christian values in our land assumed, but the overtness of Christianity is pretty much not allowed. To the point that in 2016, Oxford University, they pick a word of the year every year to describe society. They said the word to describe society now is post-truth.

Academics used to be about what's the truth, but we've moved beyond truth. And it's from that move beyond truth that some of the greatest atrocities in human history have happened. For example, if you think of the Soviet Union, we all know that tens of millions of people starved to death, that many educated people were arrested and thrown into prison camps called gulags, often up in the Siberian wilderness in the snow. I want to show you two paintings that demonstrate this, not from my opinion, but from the Russian people. This is a painting by a famous Russian artist named Mikhail Nesterov. This was before the Bolshevik Revolution or before communism took over. What was communism?

It was the philosophy of Frederick Nietzsche and his peers, Karl Marx and others, who said, we don't need God, we can make a better society without God. And in this painting, what you see is Jesus on the left, and you can see all the different classes of Russian people looking to Jesus, because that was the Russian norm. Was it a perfect church, it was the Orthodox Church? It was far from perfect.

It was pretty corrupted, it was pretty broken. And yet, people of every class knew about Jesus and worshiped him to some degree. Russia was known in the late 1800s as the Holy Rus, or the Land of a Thousand Domes, because the Orthodox Churches would have these domes on them. Well, as Lenin and other young Russian revolutionaries read the post-God ideas from the German seminaries, they led the country to completely turn away.

Clergy would be arrested, church bells would be melted down. And at that time, this same artist, Mikhail Nesterov, painted a second painting. If you look closely at the middle of this painting to the right, you'll see clergy and others holding what looks like a portrait. And if you study it closely, it's the face of Jesus. And then Nesterov painted over the face of Jesus with dark paint. And the whole point is he's symbolizing that my nation has said, we're no longer going to follow Jesus, we're going to follow a new young ideal. And if you study it closely, you'll actually see a kind of John the Baptist prophet who looks half-naked and he's trying to warn them, don't do this. Don't try to make a better society without God.

It won't work. Well, we know from the last 100 years how it worked. Massive decreases in human rights, starvation, loss of private property. If you want to know, well, John, was it getting rid of God that really made all this happen? How about instead of me answering that, how about we ask the best, one of the top academics from the USSR, who once he disagreed with the government, got arrested and taken to a prison camp in the snow, survived. His name's Alexander Solzhenitsyn. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, Solzhenitsyn went around the world trying to warn people. Here's what he said, if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat, men have forgotten God.

That's why all this happened. That's the opinion of an academic who survived the gulags. You can read more about it in the book Jesus Skeptic. I'm not going to unpack it anymore today, but my point is this. What people believe affects the way they treat the people around them. You multiply that out by millions of people, you get radically different societies. Jesus said, if you hold to my teachings, what did he say? Love your neighbor as yourself.

If you give a cup of cold water to someone who's thirsty, you've done it as unto almighty God. When societies follow the words of Jesus, those societies lead the way in freedom. And when societies discard the words of Jesus, they lose those freedoms. Now, we can't control entire societies, but we can control ourselves and our families and our movement. And we can be people who say, we will hold to the teachings of Jesus no matter the cost.

Because that's the best way to guarantee freedom and prosperity for our kids. And it's the best way to guarantee for ourselves freedom from addiction, freedom from greed, freedom from unforgiveness. If you hold to my teachings, you're really my disciples. Then you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free. I'm actually a pastor's kid.

Some of you probably didn't know that. Pushed away from it for a season, and then God brought me full circle. Part of how God brought me full circle is that when I pushed away and I was skeptical, and I was working as a journalist and a reporter with the values of, I want to speak the truth, I want to expose corruption, I want to help the weak, I want to bring justice and accountability, I realized as I looked around the world, those are actually Christian values.

And even if I think I'm too smart to be a Christian, when I go out and do work along those lines, I'm actually doing work along the lines of Christian values. And then as I looked more into my family of origin, I'm one of four boys. By statistics in the US, if all four of us are married, two should be divorced, right? That's about the divorce rate. All four of us are happily married. All four of us are free from addictions. All four of us are excelling in our respective fields.

One's an educator, one's a businessman, one's a varsity basketball coach. And I looked back through my family and this wasn't always the case for my family. It was when my grandpa trusted in Jesus in the 1940s that he had a radical conversion and he broke the patterns of the Dickerson family going back hundreds of years.

He broke patterns of abuse and of depression. That all changed when my grandpa was transformed by Jesus. And then he passed that freedom on to my dad. And my dad wasn't perfect, but he raised me with one thing. He said, John, I don't care how much money you make.

I don't have any money for you for college. I don't care if you're successful in this world, but you have to know the word of God. And he just filled my mind with the word of God to the point that even when I pushed away from it and went off and made the money and got successful, the word of God was still in there, the greatest inheritance that any child can have. And the word of God continued to speak to me. And then as I did the research, I saw that this claim, if you hold to my teachings, the truth will set you free, that it's proven in families, in individuals, even in societies. God's truth obeyed, sets families free. I wonder today, what if the best thing that you could do for your family is to believe Jesus more and obey Him more?

I found that to be true for me. What if the best gift that you could give to your family is to make sure that every week they're gathered with other believers so that their minds are being filled with God's truth? I want to show you the story of a mom here in our church family who, in some ways similar to me, was raised in a branch of Christianity, but kind of turned away.

Go ahead and have a look. I loved growing up in the church, that we had that faith. My parents instilled that faith, and I went and changed that. I just, for my family, I wanted something a little bit different. I wanted them to have the faith, but I wanted there to be a better understanding of what it is, what it means, and why it's important.

I think that's why I stepped away for as long as I did, because I didn't know what I wanted that to look like. I grew up in the Catholic church, a family of five, so very faithfully went to church every Sunday. As a little kid, you don't really understand anything that's happening. You're listening to the priest talk, and you don't really know what that means. In college, I started questioning what I personally believed. The Catholic faith was my family's faith. Again, I loved that I was raised in the church, but I just wanted to try to better understand what my own faith was.

My husband and I got married. He was not raised in the church, and so didn't really have that interest or desire. Then kids came along, and I really had a strong desire to get back into the church, but I still didn't know what church, what kind of church. So I did some church shopping with the kids, and then my husband would come for your major holidays, because it was always a great family photo opportunity, but just nothing really sank in for him.

But then the Easter before the Greater Things campaign, he, on his own, came down, just started the message with John, just hit him just right, so he started attending with us. Me coming consistently, the kids coming and getting more involved in their baptisms. Because as a young adult, I really had a firm belief that, well, I was already baptized, and my parents did that for me. I don't need to do that again.

I was very adamant that I didn't need to do it again. But then, again, just after seeing everything, the kids being baptized, my husband coming to church, which is something I prayed about for about 14 years. And really never thought it would happen.

I just, I made that decision for myself. So I did a believers baptism this past January, and then the August came up, and he was like, I think I'm ready to do this. I was like, okay. And then it was also really funny, because we had a lot of conversations about who was going to do the baptism. And I told him, it's usually whoever brings you to the church, what that looks like.

And I said, so that's something I can do, or if you feel more comfortable with some of the other guys that you've gotten to know. And so then he finally just said, well, I'm going to let whoever's there do it. Well, then he filled out the registration and read more into it. And the night before, he's like, well, this is what the registration says.

So I really think that should be you. So I actually got to do his baptism, which was amazing. I don't even know how to put it into words. It was just the most amazing, joyful, exhilarating.

I really never, ever imagined that that's something he would choose to do, let alone being the one to get to do it for him. And the kids were watching, so that was really cool, too. We still have our moments.

What family doesn't? But the type of music that we listen to has changed. Both of the boys have been praying before their marching band. They pray before their performances.

A couple years ago, that's not something they would have done. Really, a church-like connection point, it's as big or as little as you want it to be. If you come and you just come and sit through service, it's probably going to feel really big and you're probably going to feel lonely.

But if you come and you plug in, then it's the smallest church in the world. Isn't that a great story? I love seeing God set people free. God's truth is always available to set you free in your life, but whether it will or not depends on will you obey it.

I hope you've heard from me. You don't have to obey it perfectly. You just have to obey it willfully, intentionally, with some consistency. We all still stumble and fall down. We're a group of imperfect people, but what we have in common is when we fall down, we've got people around us who pick us up and dust us off and say, keep following Jesus. He's the path to freedom.

You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. John Dickerson has been our guest teacher for this program, Jesus and Freedom for the People You Love, which is from his series, Jesus Skeptic. Chip and John will join us in just a minute to share some application for this message. If someone were to ask you, how do you know Jesus actually lived, or can we really trust the Bible, what would you say? In this new series, pastor and journalist John Dickerson answers those questions, using evidence from multiple reliable sources and the well-documented impact of Jesus' followers throughout history. John builds a credible case for the Christian faith. Our hope is that this series will help you confidently say, Jesus is real, the Bible is true, and I can prove it. For more information about Jesus Skeptic, go to or the Chip Ingram app, or call 888-333-6003.

Well, Chip's joined me in studio now, and Chip, we're wrapping up this series from your friend, John Dickerson. But before we do, would you talk to the people who are thinking, is all this history John's been talking about that important? I mean, what can we really learn from it? Well, I'd be glad to, Dave, and I think some of our listeners might say, oh, gosh, there isn't a lot of actual Bible verses and teaching right now. And what I would remind them is much of the entire Old Testament is history, and history matters. The book of Acts is basically history.

And the facts that John is digging in talk about how we got our biblical worldview, why we can trust the scriptures, what foundational things have happened. You know, we live in a culture where people talk about how prejudice is wrong and social justice is important, and we want medical coverage and opportunity for all people everywhere. What many of them don't understand, all those grew out of a history of Christians that were faithful to the text, faithful to God, and used their gifts because they had a worldview that said, Jesus cares.

All people matter. In fact, social justice, racial equality, education for all, medicine that's available, scientific discovery, and literacy for the masses have all grown because of a Christian worldview and context. And I will tell you what, it's just so encouraging to me for someone who's an academic but speaks our language to set the record straight. This book will help parents, grandparents, and young people that have really big questions about their faith to know that it's on solid ground.

And they need to check this out for themselves. I was a skeptic myself, and I so appreciate John's work because I went through the same process. I just really wondered, can I really believe any of this? In fact, I rejected it early, and it was my firsthand journey in some books like John's that helped me come to realize I can trust the Bible. I can trust the claims of Christ. The impact of Christianity, despite our flaws, has shaped the world for good.

Thanks, Chip. Well, to order your copy of Jesus Skeptic, visit or call 888-333-6003. Through this book, John reveals the convincing evidence for Jesus and opens our eyes to the tremendous influence Christianity has had on history. So to get your hands on Jesus Skeptic by John Dickerson, go to or call 888-333-6003.

App listeners, tap Special Offers. Well, with that, here's Chip and John to share some final thoughts. Thanks, Dave. Well, John, this is our last opportunity to talk together in this series, and I just want to say I really appreciate your perspective and the blend that you brought of historical narratives, your research, and actually tied it into what we're experiencing today. I really hope our listeners will go back and catch up to this whole series or share it with friends and family, especially the next generation, who I think we've got so much information, actually misinformation, about our past, about our history, and about what Christianity is and what it is not. And so, John, as we kind of wrap up our whole time together, could you address what you really hit on, this idea of legacy? You shared the biblical foundations that were laid in your family. What do you say to that mom or dad or grandparent who says, I really want to see a biblical legacy in our family?

Oh, man, Chip, the first thing I'd say is I'm so proud of you. Way to go for wanting to leave that kind of legacy. And I just cannot encourage you enough to pour fuel on that fire of the desire to leave a godly legacy.

God says that as we commit our desires to Him, He makes our path straight. So I would encourage you, if that's a desire of yours as a parent, grandparent, an aunt, an uncle, pray that to God regularly. Let Him know you want a godly legacy.

And the next thing I'd say is this. The Word of God has a power to speak to your kids, to your grandkids. And this might sound a little silly, but Chip, I'll share with you one of the ways that I encourage my 12-year-old son to read the Word of God.

Maybe some listeners will take this. I actually pay him, and I know that sounds really unspiritual, but he loves reading, and I started him when he was about nine on the Proverb for the Day. And now he also reads a New Testament chapter, and the way this works is every night before bed, he reads now two chapters of the Bible. He's got a journal. He writes down his favorite verse in a prayer, and that it's true. If he gets 30 days in a row, I actually pay him a little bit for that.

I think it's one of the greatest investments I can make. And so whether you're bribing your kids and grandkids or not, I would say getting the Word of God into their minds. And then equally important is making sure they're part of a body of believers. You know that nationwide right now, two out of three young people raised in Christian homes will reject or drift away from Christianity between their 18th birthday and their 29th.

So two out of three is the national average right now. One of the biggest consistencies of those one out of three who stay, they had parents who were in church every weekend. They weren't missing church for sporting events. They weren't in and out of church. And by the way, those one out of three typically had parents or a grandparent taking them to church who was active, not only attending, but serving and giving. Parents and grandparents who then, behind the scenes, when no one else is looking, when they're driving in the car, they're talking positively about the church and how God is at work. When a son or a daughter, a grandson or a granddaughter, grows up in that kind of home and environment, and when they're reading the Bible for themselves, they're far more likely to be that one out of three who also really absorbs Christianity and then passes it on to the next generation.

So hey, if you're listening and that's on your heart, I cannot cheer you on enough. That is a godly desire. Pray that desire to God. Get the Word of God into the heart and mind of your kids and your grandkids. Take them to church. Speak positively about church. Let them see how God is transforming your life and then pray that God will do the same in theirs. Great word, John.

Thanks. Well, before we go, I wanted to thank those of you who regularly give to this ministry. You're making a big difference in helping Christians live like Christians. If you're enjoying the benefits of Living on the Edge but aren't yet on the team, would you do that today? You can set up a recurring donation by calling us at 888-333-6003 or by visiting us at App listeners, tap donate. And thanks for doing whatever the Lord leads you to do. Well, for all of us here, this is Dave Druey saying thanks for listening to this Edition of Living on the Edge.
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