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Eight, eight, four. Just a couple of news items. More shocking, painful news. from the Middle East, another ISIS massacre. Uh Just um Yeah.

What can I say? Just the horror. And look, these are Muslims killing Muslims for the most part. Just horrific, murderous acts with no possible justification in any rational. world, any moral world, But such are the murderous ways of ISIS.

Of course, of course, there are Muslims around the world who detest this and renounce this. And there are others who say, no, this is real Islam. Murderous and horrific. May God awaken the people of Syria in the midst of this. May they turn their hearts to God.

And In America, you may have heard Several days ago, that Attorney General in California ordered the raid on the home of David DeLeiden, the man who's put out the videos exposing Planned Parenthood.

So, an utter outrage that his home was raided. Here he is exposing. Illicit acts of Planned Parenthood, trafficking in body parts by Planned Parenthood. Different states have defunded Planned Parenthood, and what do they do? They raid his house.

Come on. What what does it take How far does one have to go? to get the government. to raid one's house. I mean, you're talking something pretty extreme.

Well, pro-life groups are now demanding that Kamala Harris, the Attorney General, resign. She has received, according to reports, over $80,000 of donations from Planned Parenthood. According to the Susan B. Anthony list and information that's been released. The abortion group Plan Perd and its partners donated more than $81,000 to her election campaigns.

I'm sorry, those are according to documents obtained by Operation Rescue. She was also endorsed by the Pro Abortion Group National Organization for Women. Which describes itself as a long-time vocal supporter of Planned Parenthood. And as Susan B. Anthony Liss said, The fact that Ms.

Harris is seizing private property of her pro-life California activist who is exposed terrific practices conducted by Planned Parenthood, which donated thousands to her last campaign, while her Senate campaign promotes and defends them, the nation's largest abortion provider, is a conflict of interest and abuse of government power. You better believe. You better believe, she said. She needs to step. Yeah.

Better still, she needs to repent and ask God for mercy and forgiveness. No, I'm not comparing What she did to the ISIS massacre. These are just news items, both on my heart, both. Grievous. We'll be right back.

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You've got questions, we've got answers, let's do it. What do you do? When you hear reports that are outrageous that grieve you. That trouble you, you want to shout, you want to scream, you want to do something, and sometimes there's no outlet. You don't know what to do?

Very, very simple. You pray. You cry out to God. You ask God to move. You ask God to get your heart in the right.

Mindset, the right frame of mind. You get your heart in the right frame of mind, mixing idioms there. But you calm yourself before the Lord so that you're not just reacting in the flesh. And then you get his burden, and then you get his perspective, and then you pray for justice, you pray for his kingdom to come, his will it be done, and then say, Lord, here I am, send me, use me, however you can be used. You're there, said Small steps, large steps, you are there.

866-34Truth, you've got questions, we've got answers. Let's go to That's the way to start. We go to Fredericksburg, Virginia. Gene, welcome to the line of fire. Oh yes, good afternoon, Dr.

Brown. Good afternoon. is about speaking in tongues. I've been um I was at a Bible study recently. And, um I just want to understand it a bit more.

Mm-hmm. Because I mean, I read Acts. And to me, that is a different a you know, I I could be totally wrong that's what I'm calling you that I think that's totally different than the way people speak in tongues and you don't understand what they're saying 'cause it's through the Holy Spirit. Yeah, what we do know is that Acts the second chapter. The Jewish listeners all heard the disciples speaking in their own languages.

Now, the assumption was that the disciples were speaking these different languages and dialects.

Some think that the miracle was that the people heard them supernaturally. In other words, that it was their ears that were touched. But the assumption is that the disciples were speaking foreign languages there. And over the centuries, those things have happened again. One of my colleagues, who is not a tongue speaker himself.

was ministering in another country in South America. And at that point, he was leading a seminary, he's a well-educated guy, thinking guy, and he talked to me about a situation he was in where he had a translator translating into Spanish for him. But then there were some other guys that came by kind of mocking and And they continued to share the gospel. My friend, through the translator speaking to these guys, this is kind of a one-on-one thing. And afterwards, the translator explained that they were speaking another dialect he was not familiar with.

And the Holy Spirit just gave him the understanding of what they were saying, and that he supernaturally interpreted it. And when my friend was stunned to hear it, he spoke with the pastor there. He said, Oh, yeah, that happens to us on a monthly basis. There are people here we can't reach.

So those kinds of things can happen. And do happen, but it's certainly not the normal pattern. It's not the normal pattern because we see when Paul describes it in 1 Corinthians 14, he says, no one understands. If it was a foreign language, if you're speaking German or Japanese or Italian or Chinese, yeah, well, all those people understand it. And if any of them happen to be in the meeting or with you when you're praying, they understand it.

He says, No one understands it. You're speaking mysteries in the Spirit. And then he speaks of tongues as a gift. And then he also speaks of interpretation as a gift.

So if it was a matter of if it was a matter of of uh simply Learning a language, that's not the gift of interpretation. If it's simply a matter of Uh yeah. understanding what someone's saying, figuring out the sentences, you don't need a supernatural gift for that.

So uh from everything I understand what the norm was in the New Testament was not what happened in Acts 2. but rather languages that are not understood on an earthy level. Their primary purpose is praying to God. And then delivering messages in public with interpretation. But Paul said that he spoke in tongues more than all the Corinthians.

And he said that whoever does this is building themselves up.

Now, people think that's selfish. No, no, the whole thing of building yourself up, edifying yourself, Jude speaks of that as well: building yourself up in the Holy Spirit.

So that's a good thing. I would often pray in tongues for extended periods of time before preaching and ministering. That would build me up, and I could minister more effectively. And as I would be praying in tongues, Paul said, your mind is unfruitful. But your spirit is fruitful, so you're being edified in your inner being.

And then what I would do with my mind, and I would meditate on spiritual truths, or the Lord would speak to me about the meeting, or I'd meditate on scripture, or things like that, and then pray with my understanding.

So that's been my experience since January 24th of 1972 when I first spoke in tongues. And I see it to be very scriptural, and I see great fruit to come out of it. It doesn't mean that it's the haves versus the have-nots, those who speak in tongues versus those who don't. Rather, Paul says don't forbid it. and every good gift God has we should ask for.

And we should enjoy and benefit from. And the stronger we are, the better we can serve others. I guess where my confusion is, is that I can understand somebody speaking in tongues and God giving them the Yes, we can.

Okay. It's the Holy Spirit coming through you. Yeah. Okay. But what I don't understand and the kids Yeah.

How can somebody, if I'm there speaking in tongues, how can somebody interpret what I just said? because it's the same gift of the Spirit. In other words, it's not that they listen. Let's say, for example. Um let's let's say I um I'm I'm learning Hebrew, okay?

So I'm learning Ani Michael, Ani Talmi, Talme.

So I am Michael. Ani talmi, I am a student.

So I learn the word Ani, that's I, and then Talmi, that's student. It's right? It's not like that with tongues, where you hear someone say, Okay, this word is no, no, it's just the Holy Spirit gives that person the interpretation supernaturally.

So it's not a matter of they understand the language, it's a matter of the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that inspired the one person to speak, inspires the other person to give the interpretation.

Okay, now I just have one other question for you. Um How about the person who is speaking in tongues? Do they know what they are saying? Uh Normally, no. Paul says when he does it, his mind is unfruitful.

Sometimes, however, After praying in tongues, I will get a tremendous burden. to pray for a specific individual or a situation.

So, I can't guarantee that that's what I was praying about in tongues, but often after praying in tongues for a period of time, I feel. Very, very clear direction to pray for a certain situation, or I have a very, very heavy burden to pray for a certain situation. And, and, Those are sometimes the most powerful prayer times I have when I go back to praying in English after praying in tongues.

Okay. Yeah, that's where the answer is my question. Yeah. Appreciate it very much. Sure thing, sure thing.

And look, we just say, Father, everything you have for me, so I can serve you best and glorify you the most. That's what I desire. All right, God bless you. 866-34Truth. We connect again with Coffeeville.

Kansas. Wayne, sorry you got cut off. Welcome to the line of fire. Hey, Dr. Brown, thanks for taking my telephone call.

I'm calling because I've been a theory a student of the prophets for. Probably almost 20 years right now. And I've recently been reading through Abraham Heschel's The Prophets. A very, very enlightening book. And I'm seeing a pattern that I'm not seeing any Christian teacher really address.

And I wanted to run it by you to see if I could be on the wrong trail here. But But the uh I'm noticing that the whole Bible contains verses that say the Levite priests Uh or doing animal sacrifices to atone for sin, murdered God's prophets for teaching that if we repent, God will freely forgive us. And uh Twice in Matthew. Twice in Matthew, Jesus quoted one of those prophets for saying that But in I forget what chapters I'm on the road right now. Pulled over, talked to you.

Yeah, yeah. But anyway, yeah, let me respond. By the way. The greatest book I've ever read in my life on prophets is Heschel's two-volume. Book on the prophets, and the opening chapter: What manner of man is the prophet, is devastating.

It is an incredible Intense, powerful chapter. I mean, it shakes me when I read it. Yeah, so in short, it was not that the prophets were saying. That all you need to do is repent. You don't need the temple.

Rather, the prophets were renouncing hypocrisy. Because they also renounced Sabbath observance and prayer. If you look in Isaiah, the first chapter, God said, when you pray, I don't want it, your hands are stained with blood. Don't lift your hands up to me in prayer. The issue was hypocrisy.

Those who thought the temple and the priesthood were sacrosanct. and could not be criticized. Those are the ones being attacked. The prophets challenged the religious establishment. The prophets challenged the status quo.

They didn't downplay the role of sacrifices. They downplayed the role of dead ritual and hypocritical religion. And that was a threat to the religious establishment and even to the other prophets. Give us strict to always do what's right. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr.

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You got to hear me, Doctor? Yes, go ahead. I can hear you. All right, thank you. Wow.

Oh. Yeah, how can how far can you be patient with uh co-worker you forgive him uh I don't know, seven, eight times and just keep uh cursing, cursing. I was like, I uh I have watched your uh recently uh it was twenty uh fifteen It was a conference somewhere, held uh it was held in some in particular in uh Richmond or somewhere. Yeah, I'm really up. I heard you when talking about BR Uh hyper uh grace.

Mm-hmm. I have similarity with you.

So I bang my head against the table. It's like I'm I'm not telling to people to do this, but this is a ritual something that God doesn't like that. But uh I'm here to Well, I'm the same I see doctor uh RC Squirrel. See you. Uh Martin Witter used to do that, but I wouldn't do that.

That's not the God ways to do it. It's uh has to be uh uh so I just used to use half a kingdom. How far do you go to forgive your coworkers when in But what? When she just keeps uh talking to you and you're ha looking at Two separate issues. As far as co-workers Uh One issue is personal forgiveness.

And Jesus says if someone comes to you, 490 times in a day, seven times seven.

So he's using exaggerated speech there. But if they come to you 490 times a day saying, I repent, forgive them.

So someone says, Yeah, Michael, you're stupid. Uh I'm sorry, forgive me, I forgive you. Monica, you're stupid. I'm sorry, forgive me. I forgive you.

490 times a day, and it doesn't matter how many times you forgive. That's one thing.

Now there's a separate thing, which is a work environment. Let's say for example you were the boss, right? and the person comes in late every day. And you say, hey, they say, I'm so sorry. I forgive you personally.

I forgive you from my heart. I'm not holding this against you. But if it happens again, you lose the job. In other words, there are requirements in the job, right? If you have someone that you're trusting.

And they keep betraying you. Say, listen, I forgive you. But you're going to have to show me that you're trustworthy in this regard. if someone is getting in the way of your ability to work. you can forgive them personally, But then once you've forgiven them personally, you can say, listen, I I forgive you.

I'm not mad at you.

However, this is getting in the way of work. It's stopping me and our office from being sufficient. I am going to have to talk to the boss about this.

So there are consequences of wrong acts. Look. A family can forgive someone. for murder. but that murderer will still go to jail.

Those are the consequences of their actions.

So, the one thing is our attitude. And if someone says, Hey, I'm sorry, man, okay, I forgive you.

Now you can have a talk with them. All right, are you really sorry? If you're really sorry, why are you doing the same thing over and over? That's perfectly fine to have that talk. Or if you're genuinely sorry and you keep doing the wrong thing over and over.

Why are you doing that? Looks like you need help. But from the heart You forgive the same as God forgives us and has forgiven us in Jesus. And As for consequences of wrong actions, that's a whole separate issue. Thank you, sir, for the call.

866-34TRUTH. We go to St. Louis, Missouri. Joey, somehow, I just need help on my screen here. If you could put Matt on the line from St.

Louis, hey, Matt, welcome to the line of fire. All right, not sure. What just happened here? But I'm unable to get our caller. on the line.

Okay. No problem, we will reconnect shortly. And Okay, I see what happened. We j we just had my apologies, we just had a problem on our phone line, and we will be will be back up and running momentarily. 866-348-7-884.

Uh let me just see. Here. These questions. Ah, ah, here. Here we go.

Here we go. Alex, I have a question about Jesus' crucifixion. I know he was hanged on a cross. But I have a Jehovah's Witness friend who say he was hanging on a forked stick. How true is it?

Where can I find the right answer for my friend? It's all a matter. of understanding the Greek word used for cross. Uh some just say it was it's it's a torture stake.

Some say it was a forked stick.

Some say it was the T shape. All right. You do have these different viewpoints. and it doesn't really matter.

Now we do know that pretty early on In church tradition, the the T-shaped cross that we're used to seeing. became the standard depiction. But there is debate You know, some refer to it as a torture stake. Others have different views, as we say an X shape or a T shape. It's all immaterial.

Don't even debate it. What matters is that Jesus was crucified, died for our sins, died in our place so that we could be forgiven. That's what matters. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown.

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You've got questions, we've got answers. 866-66666666666 3487-884. All right, we go to St. Louis. Matt, welcome to the line of fire.

Hi, thanks very much, Dr. Brown. I uh I am Deeply, deeply, deeply struggling with the whole idea of Old Testament law and applications on believers today. And I could. And I know all different passages in the New Testament, Paul's letter saying, oh, you know, Um We believe in Jesus, and He fulfilled the law, and so He fulfilled the righteous requirements, and so we have faith in Him, and that we're justified by faith.

But then I'm I'm getting hung up on A couple passages in the Old Testament. Specifically, probably the biggest one is Isaiah 66:17, where it said, Let me pull it up. Um I can read it. Those who dedicate, back up a verse, two verses. Look, the Lord will come with fire.

His chariots are like the whirlwind to execute his anger with fury and his rebuke with flames of fire. For the Lord will execute judgment on all flesh with his fiery sword, and many will be slain by the sword. Those who dedicate and purify themselves to enter the groves, following their leader, eating meat from pigs, vermin, and rats will perish together. This is the Lord's declaration.

So it's saying those who are idol worshippers, that's the groves that it's speaking of, entering the groves, those who are idol worshipers and following their leader into idolatry and eating meat from pigs, vermin, and rats, obviously in the context of idolatrous worship, will perish together. Yeah, so if you are guilty of idol worship and in your idolatrous practices, eating meat from pigs, vermin, and rats, then that's not a good place to be. But let me ask you this, though, in all seriousness, Matt. I appreciate you taking all of God's word very seriously, okay? But has it dawned on you?

That in terms of Commandments given in the Old Testament. That the commandments that are listed for all time, For all generations, 75% of them you cannot keep. Without a standing temple, a functioning priesthood, and national sovereignty. Do you think that's a coincidence? That since the year seventy.

The people of Israel have not been able to keep roughly 75% of the forever commandments of the Torah? No, no no coincidence, I'm sure. Right. I guess I wonder if I All right, well, let me throw out another question, just to get you thinking in a certain direction. Uh if you look at The Total amount of uh ink spent on the di uh excuse me on the Blood sacrifices, all right, the sacrificial system.

Even just Leviticus, the first seven chapters. If you look at that. And compare it, say, to everything even on dietary laws. That gets two chapters, Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14. overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, the material on blood sacrifice is much, much, much, much more.

Do you think it's significant that through the death of Jesus the blood sacrifices now are no longer necessary Do you think that that might tell you anything about other commandments as well? Um are you there, Matt? Yeah. There's so much dedicated Um to the blood sacrifices that that was That was the key That was the key part. That was the hey, this is what I need you to know.

All right, but in other words, if Jesus fulfilling the law changed those things. Uh necessary.

Okay. Uh then uh Could it be? That there are other things that were no longer necessary because they've been fulfilled.

Now, I'm going to take a little more time to answer this. The bigger question is: when did God ever lay this on the Gentiles? When did God ever, in the Old Testament, not in the context of idolatry, just in the Old Testament, say, I'm going to judge you for eating pork? When was that ever laid on Gentiles in the New Testament? Ever.

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866-348-7884. All right, back to Matt in St. Louis. Mm-hmm. Jesus does make very plain in Matthew 15 and Mark 7.

That what we eat, what goes in our mouths does not defile us.

Now, he was not at that point telling his disciples, go and eat pig, okay? And I personally there's no non-kosher food that that I eat.

So it's not an issue with me personally. But he was explaining that nothing that you eat can defile you. Paul explains explicitly in Romans the 14th chapter that nothing is unclean in and of itself. Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 8 that uh if you unknowingly eat food sacrificed to an idol, That you're not defiled by it. Because again, same principle: what you eat doesn't make you unclean.

And then also through writing to Timothy, tells him. In 1 Timothy 4. That every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused as long as it's received with thanksgiving.

So you have all the evidence on that side. You have no evidence ever. That God gave the food laws to the Gentile world, rather, that was to keep Israel separate from the nations. And you have nowhere in the early church where there's evidence that they thought that they were all supposed to keep the dietary laws.

So you would need something very compelling. to tell you that that you're supposed to do it. Mm I remember reading and I have and I don't remember chapter reverse or anything like that.

Somewhere where it He's talking about where God's talking about the coming at at the end where He says, I will gather all nations and they will you know, and all nations will learn my ways and And obey my laws or something like that. And so I guess that's where I also kind of get hung up that wait. you know, when we gather all nations, you know, now that we're all in the family, But yet It's not talking about that. It's talking about a future final judgment on the earth when the Messiah returns and establishes his kingdom on the earth. That has nothing to do right.

So that's a future. Uh a future act When the Lord returns and establishes his kingdom on the earth. And even at that point, it doesn't mean it's going to be the Sinai covenant. That was a specific covenant for a specific time. For example, the New Covenant is not the same as the Sinai Covenant, and the Hebrew word Torah just means teaching or instruction.

So again, what you have to do is look at what's clear. Look at it like this: you're driving down a road, okay? You see signs. Atlanta. 100 miles.

And then other signs. Road to Atlanta here. And then other sides, to go to Atlanta, stay on this road. And then you see this little sign on the side of the road. Lots of fun things to do in Atlanta.

Exit here.

Well, it's just somebody's advertising. You don't get off there because all the clear signs are going in one direction.

So the clear signs are overwhelmingly Pointing in one direction only, which is that the dietary laws were never binding on the church. Never binding on Gentile Christians in particular, never given to them. never kept broadly by them, And what you eat does not defile you.

Now, if someone says, yeah, but you know, maybe they're good for health purposes, fine, great. You're free to eat, you're free not to eat. But the problem is, once you get into bondage on it, get hung up. The very thing Paul warns about in Colossians 2: getting hung up on don't eat this, don't taste this, don't touch this. Don't get hung up on that.

It's trap. And it it makes you put a spiritual meaning on a physical thing that's not there. Right. Yeah, I it's It's something I've definitely been struggling a lot with. you know, especially because, you know, like If you were to listen to the proponents of Hebrew roots movement or, you know Gentiles uh You know, they'll say, well, if, you know, if Jesus or Paul or anybody said, you know, at any point that you could do these things, then, you know, well, that way they couldn't even be the Messiah then.

And so that's where I'm like, well, but they're 100% wrong. They're a hundred, all right. Number one, watch where they end up. Watch the heresy they end up in. Watch the confusion they end up in.

Watch the getting away from the sin. Look, your whole life is getting confused over this. Instead of being free. Instead of focusing on winning the lost and spending quality time with God, you're getting caught. See, this is the very proof that it's off, that it's wrong.

That you're getting troubled by things that There is not a single verse in the New Testament. That we give you the slightest thought that you should be troubled with this at all. It is a trap, Matt. And I'm telling you this: this is a Jewish believer in Jesus, it is a trap. But here's the other point.

Never did God give the food laws. to Gentile believers in a mandatory way ever. Ever. If you lived among the Israelites, then you lived among the Israelites. But we're not under the Sinai covenant.

We're under a new and better covenant.

So it's not a matter of. Of course, if Jesus said to the Jews, break the Sabbath. and and violate all the laws. Break the Sabbath, violate all the laws.

Well, then obviously he couldn't be the Messiah. He didn't do that. He fulfilled the law. He brought it to its full meaning. But the j food laws were never given to the Gentiles anyway.

So it's just completely bogus stuff. I want to encourage you to shake this off like a dog shakes off water. And to go back to worshiping God freely and loving the Lord, you have no liberty to sin. but you have liberty to be free in God, and this is an area of freedom. And if you think, you know, hey, whatever, I think it's I'm just going to avoid it because maybe there's food re uh health reasons fine, but careful, it does not become a trap.

Right. All right. Yeah, I really appreciate uh really appreciate your words. This is definitely something I've been struggling with and I feel like, hey, you know, if this is a question to be raised, I want to take it seriously, you know.

Well, I'll tell you what, it's going to lead to a thousand more questions and before you know it, you will be tied up like a knot. Don't let it happen. You've been forewarned. You've got to understand, I'm being so forceful because I've watched people backslide over this, end up leaving Jesus over this because it keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And they think the whole key is becoming hyper-Jewish and they absolutely miss out on God.

All right?

Okay. Well, I I definitely appreciate it and appreciate the folks listening for the prayers.

So Thanks very much. I really appreciate it.

Okay, sure. God bless you. 866-34-TRUTH. We go to Maraves, Puerto Rico. Is that the right pronunciation?

Michael.

Okay, Michael, welcome to the line of fire. Yes, sir. doctor Brown, with all respect, I'm not arguing in favor of law keeping. But uh The the point uh of messianic practice during the messianic age, that is during the millennium. She's like, you keep arguing against law keeping under grace, but in the millennium, doesn't Zechariah fourteen say that Messianic practice will be required of Gentiles?

And that's the point, in the millennium, not in grace. Uh well Michael What's that got to do with today? Even if that was the case, that's not for you. You're going to be already glorified with Jesus. That's going to be for Gentile nations on the earth.

Okay? And it doesn't say they're going to keep dietary laws or anything like that. There are a couple of verses that suggest that there might be physical sacrifices in the millennial kingdom, in which case they're looking back to the cross. But why aren't you offering physical sacrifices now based on your logic? But we offer sacrifice spiritually, let's say, through sanctification.

And see, once you experience sanctification, then you're going to obviously get into the practice, the messianic practice. The messianic practice is a natural evolution of sanctification. Why would you go from the spiritual to the natural? What so you're telling me that all the godly people through the centuries who loved Jesus, who laid out their lives before God, who studied the Word day and night, who said, God, I just want to please you, because they did not go back under the law, they were not growing in sanctification?

Well, if you look at John Wesley, they practice Methodism and they practice leading to the. No, no, no, no, no, just answer my question. You're telling me that all the saintly men and women of the past and today who love Jesus heart, soul, mind, strength, who give their lives to please him, who say, Father, I'm here to serve you and honor you and please you, because they have not been led to go back under the law. that they are not growing in sanctification?

Well, that's what I said. That's what I said at the beginning. It's not law keeping, but Messianic practice like the Calvinists. That's a serious error, Michael. Very, very serious error.

The goal is to be conformed to the character of Jesus, not to go back under Old Testament law. Are are you married? Are you married, by the way? No, no, I'm not.

Okay, if you were married though, you would live exactly by the laws in Leviticus about sexual purity and you and your wife would be in separate rooms, separate beds. during her menstrual period and all of that, right? And then you if And law keeping, I'm not arguing for law keeping, but but uh obviously if you're well hang on if you if you had a disobedient, rebellious teenager, you would stone them to death? No. All right, well, let me ask you this.

Hang on. Those are those are in the law, though. Why are you picking and choosing? Those are in the law. But what are we going to be practicing during the millennial age?

That's not what we're doing. We are going to be glorified. We're going to be resurrected. That's not for us. We're glorified.

We're resurrected. But Michael, why are you even thinking about that? What is God asking of you today? He's not asking. If you're not going to offer blood sacrifices today, then don't go offering them tomorrow.

Huh. Michael, the New Testament, what does it say explicitly for today? That's how we have to live, sir. That's how God requires us to live. Not to speculate about what's going to happen in the millennial kingdom for unresurrected Gentiles.

You're. You're off track with the focus, really. Oh God of burning, cleanse. Single. Flame.

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Michael Brown. Here, look. Yeah. I appreciate people wanting to take every word of God. every truth, everything found in scripture seriously.

I really appreciate that. I do. And I know that throughout the Old Testament there's celebration of God's laws. we simply must understand the purpose of God's laws. why he gave certain things at certain times.

what his goal was with it. You put the scaffolding up. when you build a building, and then when you're done you take the scaffolding down. The building now stands without the scaffolding.

Some of Old Testament law, in that respect, was scaffolding. If if you abolished it, that would be like knocking down the building. Instead, by fulfilling it the building is built, you don't need the scaffolding. anymore. Uh To speculate about what's going to happen in the millennial kingdom and therefore that's how we should live today.

It is not only unwise because we are speculating. Others can come with other prophetic passages and we can debate that. It's only unwise. It's unscriptural because we do have scriptural teaching about how to live today. That's what we need to follow.

When I get something delivered that has to be put together.

Okay. Okay, well, I normally ask Nancy for help because I'm not too practical and mechanical. But let's say it's a pretty simple thing, and I'm going to try to do it. Which directions do I follow? The directions that came with that unit?

not not directions that I had from a different unit five years ago. or from the earlier edition of that unit ten years ago. Or From an unrelated unit that they have a prototype out expected in two years. No, no. What I do is I take the directions for that current unit.

And that's what I build by.

Now, now. To be clear, I have Messianic Jewish friends. who believe that in covenantal solidarity with Israel. They should continue to live identifiably as Jews. and pass that on to their children, and I think that's awesome.

And I think that's life-giving, can be life-giving, and I think it's part of preserving our heritage, and it's part of grounding our faith in Jesus and Jewish roots. If it is done in a mandatory way, if it is done in a way of you must, you have to, then I take issue there. But when it is imposed on Gentiles in that way. When Gentiles are told you must live like this in order to fully please God, then it becomes a more serious error. And I'm so strong about warning on it because I've watched people backslide over it.

The word God laid on my heart over 30 years ago. The whole quote Jewish temptation, in other words, finding spirituality and being a Jew, or thinking you're Jewish. The whole quote, Jewish temptation is in the soul realm. It feels spiritual, but it's more in the realm of the soul, soulish emotional realm. It's in the soul realm.

It will fascinate. Stimulate complicate, suffocate.

So be on your guard. Yes, fascinate. Stimulate. complicated suffocate.

So that's That's why I speak with such clarity about these things. When I see people, Gentiles, and they're writing to me and they're spelling God G dash D, I know there's a problem. I'm not judging their salvation. I just say I know there's a problem. Why?

Because that's just Jewish tradition. That's not the way it was done biblically. And it's just Jewish tradition, and you're not even a Jew.

Well, I feel more reverence for God that way. He he's your father, he's Abba. He doesn't require it. He wants you to reverence him, but not by taking on Jewish. tradition 86634-TRUTH.

We go to Corney in Dayton, Ohio. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Yes, sir. Thank you very much for your program. Um For the microgrand, I have a question about the Trinity.

Because this is a subject that Often in the evangelical church world, it is used to exclude Some of us who are modalistic in our thinking about the Godhead.

So, um I want us to declare on these. There are some scriptures that when I read it makes me it makes it hard for me to do a train Italian. And one of those scriptures is Second Porinians chapter. Three verse seventeen. which says the Lord is that spirit.

And the context there is the Lord Jesus Christ. And the Trinity is defined. I have a quote here from Team Charlie, who's the blocker? It says that there is one God, the Father is God. The Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

The Fridays Mother Song. The sign is not a spirit. The spirit is more definite. Those are like the sixth legs of the Trinity. But second Corinthians three, verse seventeen completely destroys No, it doesn't.

Not not at all. Not at all. In fact, it distinguishes no, not at all, sir. In fact, it distinguishes between Christ and Lord in the passage. Go, let's read the context of it.

Yeah, I am. I am. I have it in front of me. I know the passage. Not necessarily.

Not necessarily. No, read the context. I'm looking at it. The context that the Lord is. It is set aside only in Christ.

Now He doesn't say Christ, He doesn't say now Christ is the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Christ is, there's freedom. And notice, he doesn't say, he says, whenever a person turns to the Lord. Right, but here's the point. Here's the point.

It's very, very simple. Is God the Father, Son, Spirit? Are they all spirit?

Well, no, no, no. John John so Jesus does not exist as a spirit in any way?

Okay. Genus is See, God is the spirit. That's what it says in John chapter 4, verse 24. All right, so you're saying that, just hang on one second, though. Just to be clear, you say Trinitarians are believing error, correct?

Yes. All right, so then brother. If they say you're believing error. If if if you say Uh i if if you say that that we're believing error and we say you're believing error, why are you upset with that? No, listen.

It's not that uh It's not not every statement of the Trinity is false. But I'm just saying that.

sometimes they they exclude us as if we cannot be Christians.

Okay, because we are modelists. But you say that I understand that. That's. That's a debatable issue. In other words, some would say if you have the Son, you have the Father.

But if you are confusing the persons, Then there's going to be serious error. Look, there are modalists who say Trinitarians worship a three-headed monster. I think I'm not gonna agree with that. Right, right. I understand it, but all I can say is.

If you hold to absolute fundamentals of the faith, and salvation found only in Jesus. and that you believe he is the uncreated, eternal Son of God. And that he died for our sins and he rose from the dead. Then uh There are fundamentals that you hold to. In terms of must someone affirm the Trinity in detail.

In order to be saved, if they don't deny the deity of Jesus, And they hold to the other essentials of salvation. There's going to be debate there.

Some say that you don't have to affirm the Trinity, others would say you do. But please understand the aggressive language that I see normally comes from the modalists against the Trinitarian.

So it probably goes both ways in that respect. But, sir, We'll continue the conversation another day. I'm out of time. As you hear the music, I'm out of time. We'll continue another day.

Fair enough? All right. My bottom line today. If you don't want to bounce off the walls, stay in the middle. of the roads.

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Hi, Dr. Brown. And I don't think that I've heard any past or or or uh Any uh any theologian answer this Um I have a friend who I've been witnessing too, and he's been seeking, searching, and he's been open and receptive to. Things I've been telling him, but uh. one point that he cannot get past is he's He's lost several family members who were not believers.

And uh he says he just can't believe that there's a place that there's a heaven where he cannot he will not see these people.

So this seems to be a point that he can't get past. And how do I address that? Yeah, a few things, and I'm sure there are other pastors that can address this as well, but I would say a few things. First That The God that we're talking about is an infinitely good God. and a God who always does what's right.

And it's just like with a father telling a young child, trust me on this, and the child doesn't understand everything. Because you know the character of the father, you know you trust him.

So, the first thing he needs to understand, we're not talking about some arbitrary tyrant. Who just flings people into hell, and you know, you know, it's just like someone flicking someone their finger into the lake of fire, and ha ha ha ha. We're not talking about that.

So, the first thing I'd emphasize is: listen, we're talking about someone who loved you enough to send his son to die for you. We're talking about someone who cared for you enough that even when you deserve death, He didn't put you to death. He's preserved you to offer you mercy.

So you're talking about an infinitely good. God. That would be the first thing I would emphasize. And even if we don't know everything. He's trustworthy.

That's number one. Number two, there are people who don't want him. There are people who in this world make clear that they don't want God. If they don't want him in this world, they won't want him in the world. in the world to come.

In other words, on a certain level, Being separated from God in the world to come, is God saying to us, your will be done. You didn't want me in this world? Picture it like this. There is uh an abusive, nasty Woman, the most mean, cruel individual that you've ever known. Being around her for two minutes makes your blood boil.

And now you find out that in the world to come, you'll be next to her neighbors and she'll be just as nasty and miserable. No, no, no, she's you don't want that.

So that's the second thing: is that there are people who say, I don't want God, I don't want Jesus. I don't want the light.

Well, in the world to come, they're going to be the same people. In other words, there is no essential change. of our inner being. There's a change in that there's no more temptation and sin and things like that in heaven. But that's the second thing.

So, number one, the God we're talking about is an infinitely good God. Number two, there's some people that don't want God. God's not going to bring them to heaven. against their will. Heaven's not just a place where you drink all night and don't get a hangover in the morning.

You sleep around with 30 different women and don't get STDs. No, heaven's a place of perfect purity and holiness. where the presence of God is everywhere.

So if somebody doesn't want God in this world, they won't want him in the world to come. And then the last thing is. Only God knows where his friends are. Only God knows what happened in their own lives in the closing minutes. Only God knows what was going on secretly.

between them and God. He has no idea if they were crying themselves asleep, to sleep at night, and they Because they were lonely and saying, God, are you there? And help me. And you have no idea what went on.

So I would present things to him in that way. Um I I think that should sufficiently remove the obstacles.

Well, he is he is since he is sincere and he's This has actually been a point. I mean, I've tried to let the Holy Spirit lead me in this conversation. This is a point that's difficult because One of the people that he's lost was his mother, and he had a very short time. Strong connection to her. They were not practicing.

They were Catholic, but not practicing. And he was with her until the end.

So this is hanging over him. Like, how can I? You know, he is searching, but it's like, how can I accept this? How can I. believe that this is a place that God wants me to be if if my mother is not even going to be there.

And you know, only God knows where his mother is. It's been a very difficult thing for me to try to to to address because I don't even know how to answer that. Right, but I'm telling you how to answer it then. I'm telling you how. Yeah, you've got to get him to trust God.

Look, I'm Jewish. Don't you think this comes up with every Jewish person you witness to? You know, for over 40 years. What about my father? What about my grave?

If what you're telling me is true, are they all in hell? What about when you go to people that have never heard the gospel before? And then they say, Well, what about all of our ancestors? Are they all in hell?

So these are very, very real questions. I mean, I understand the whole point of, you know, you choose where you you choose the eternity, you choose where the direction that you're going. Because I mean, I had to deal with that with my father, who was an alcoholic, and I To me, it it was not a difficult thing for me to address because he was He He made his own decisions and it was clear to me. But um But look, there are plenty of others that seem sincere and kind and they were good to their neighbors and they were sacrificial and from a human standpoint they were good. I mean look the the bottom line he also needs to understand is that none of us are good enough by ourselves to get in.

Well, I I also explained to him about, you know, the he he brought up the point, well, I'm a good person, good deeds, and I said, you know, that does. I went through the Ten Commandments and the and explain to him the deeds don't don't get you there and went through all of that.

So I think that's the point where he Sort of you know, he was trying to use that as an uh an example that his mother was good because of all the good things. And I was trying to explain to him that the you know, works do not get you into heaven. Right, and that's so he may not really fully Understand the issue of salvation yet. In other words, if he still thinks that it's a matter of goodness, then that's his biggest issue. He has to understand universal guilt.

He has to understand that in God's sight we're damnable people. You know, take them through the Sermon on the Mount and say, those are the standards of Jesus.

So by God's standard, we're lost, damnable people, and we all deserve death and hell. God in His mercy sends His Son to spare us. and to forgive us. See, I don't have any problems discussing all these different. various aspects of the gospel, but it's just that one point that he seems to have a problem with and I can't Yeah, look, if he is, here's the deal.

What he's basically doing. is there's a fireman outside. Saying jump. In my arms, or are you gonna die?

Okay? Well, did my mother get out or not? You got to jump, man. You have to jump. We'll sort things out with your mother afterwards, but you have to jump.

If you don't, you're going to die. And if he can't trust God sufficiently, for his own salvation, and to do what's right with his mother, then he's not really trusting God. Look, when my dad died suddenly, In 1977, I'd been sharing the gospel with him. He went to hear me speak at church. He even started reading the New Testament.

And I thought, okay, little by little, God's bringing him, he's going to be saved, and he died suddenly. I'd seen him earlier that evening and he died in the middle of the night of a heart attack. It was jarring, that was devastating. And, you know, kind, sweet, loving father, and all that, you know, far from a perfect man, obviously. But I I had to decide right then and there.

That I I I I don't know. Where my father is It would be agonizing beyond imagination to think of him being lost forever. But I know on the day I stand before God. that I can trust him to do what was right. And that's the issue with your friend.

He is refusing to put his trust in God. He is coming out of it. It's not a matter of not having answers. There are a thousand answers for him. It's a matter of him.

saying I'm making a choice To put my mother's perceived goodness before the gospel. And you have to tell them, if you can't trust God, To do what's right with your mother. then you can't trust God to do what's right with you either. Keep telling them you're not promised another day. Right, right.

Yeah. So, listen, Michael, it's not a matter of lack of answers. It's a matter of still this last wall up with your friend. Let's pray right now. Father, I pray for the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I pray, Lord, for you to get hold of this man and bring him to the end of himself. Bring him to the end of himself so he becomes deeply conscious. of his sin. and recognizes he cannot play with your mercy. Have mercy on him, save him.

Use this man to reach him. Bring this gentleman to the end of himself and to the beginning of your grace. We ask it in Jesus' name. Hey, thank you so much. for the call and let's trust God.

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Thank you for joining us on the line of fire 866-348-788. Eight, four, you've got questions. We've got answers. We go to Jim in Manhattan. Welcome to the line of fire.

Hi, Dr. Brown. Thank you for taking my call. You bet. Uh, I'm calling because I'm not encouraged.

My question has to do with the science and research on LGBT issues that Christian has used to debate people on the left. I absolutely agree the scripture forbids same-sex practice, and I affirm Jesus' views on marriage and gender, and I. I think it's important for Christians who debate in the political sphere to use data that's unbiased, it's full of numbers and citations, incredible sources like CDC and Pew Research. It needs to be from people with no political acts to grind. For example, the stat about more black babies were aborted in NYC than were born.

last year. It's a good and horribly tragic, but still based on a credible source and it's a powerful talking point. But I feel that the research that Christians use and people on the right often bring to LGBT issues is very flawed. For one thing, the authorities they cite are always the extreme minority against the broad consensus of medical science. Give me an example.

Yes, give me one example. Last month, the American College of Pediatricians say that their studies prove that encouraging children in their gender dysphoria is hazardous to their health. Right. It turns out that the name of the name of this organization is Kind of deceptive. It only consists of about fifty to two hundred conservative pediatricians.

And really, it's the lobby group. And, you know, as compared to the- No, no, no, no, no, no. All right. I can help you, Jim. Yeah, Jim, I can help you here.

Here's what you don't realize. Beginning with the shift of the American Psychiatric Association in the early 70s, followed by the American Psychological Association, these groups have become dominated by gay activism. to the point that partiality is not even Not even in the ballpark. To the point that former leaders in these organizations have denounced it. Have, even ones who say, I believe in same-sex marriage, I believe in this and that, they have denounced it.

I'll give you a case in point. The APA did a task force, put together a task force of six of their people. To investigate whether efforts to change sexual orientation were harmful. Every member of the task force was either himself or herself a gay activist. or an ally of gay activism.

Almost all of them were themselves gay activists. There may have been one or two that were just allies. When the request was made, can we get one qualified person among whom there were many? Who are members of the APA? Can we get one qualified person to sit on that panel?

The answer was. Note No one who disagrees with our preconceived notions, my words, is going to be on that panel.

So they could not get a conservative. They could not get someone with a different viewpoint on the panel.

Well, you know what their conclusions were going to be. And even then, All they could say was, well, it's not proven that it helps. And some say it harms, some say it helps, but it's not proven that it helps. And then that was then ballied around by the news that they've all found it harmful. That's completely wrong.

I have a whole chapter in my book, A Queer Thing Happened to America, about the stifling of scientific evidence.

So the same thing with pediatricians. When the pediatrics without clear evidence, you have to understand the foremost authority on this in the world is Dr. Kenneth Zucker. All right, he is in Canada, has been on the forefront of this for many, many years, helping kids who have, quote, gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder.

Now, in his mind, to give me an idea that he's anything but a conservative, in his mind, if the outcome is that the kid ends up being gay, but happy to be in their same body. He considers that success. He also considers it success if ultimately they undergo sex change and they're at home with that, then that's success.

So he's he's anything but some right-wing bigot. He was recently forced out of his position in Canada because he did not bow the knee to transgender activism.

So what you have is these horrific political agendas. And then one group after another after another, they use the same talking points, they use the same arguments. And this has been debunked over and over and over again.

So the American College of Pediatricians broke away. because they could their viewpoints were completely squelched. And the evidence they were bringing based on their own scientific documentation and anecdotal experience was being rejected.

So they started their own organization. That's the reality of it. All right, I'll be sure to take a look at your book. I mean, I know they like to like Paul McHugh from John Topkins. I just What I'm concerned with is only like: is there anybody else?

Is it really only just a few people we can count with one hand? Because when you're in that extreme minority, then it lumps you into that. Climate change denier, Hall 9-11 truth. Hey, we've got this one guy from this one institution. I understand.

But here's the other thing, though. That makes their case that much stronger. I've had people tell me I can't speak out or I'll lose my job.

So, what is it? You know, it's kind of like if I muzzle everybody in a room, I put duct tape and 100 people in a room, and then I allow one person to speak. And I say, Okay, just want you to shout. And I say, All right, see, there's only one person in the room. Why don't I prove it?

Prove I muzzled everybody else. Here, look at how Paul McHugh is a pretty, pretty prestigious guy in terms of his background. I mean, head of the psychiatric department at Johns Hopkins. He is vilified. You get online, and this guy is ripped to shreds, and he's primitive, and he doesn't understand this and that.

And he continues to write what he's writing. And look, I've got a video and an article coming out on a On a man Who then identified as a woman but didn't have sex chain surgery, identified as a woman. He now identifies as a dragon, meaning the mythical beast dragon. Oh, I heard about that one. Right.

So I've got an article and a video coming out on that.

Well, why not, though? I mean, he is in reality, he is no more a dragon than Bruce Jenner is a woman. Ah, but so exactly. But the fact the fact that the NBA is threatening the city of Charlotte And saying we're going to pull the all-star game because you say that men can't use ladies' bathrooms or locker rooms. Jim, this is a moment of insanity.

The reason to be discouraged is not because we're lacking in research or scientific evidence. The reason to be discouraged is because everybody's drinking the Kool-Aid. Because pretty soon, people are going to be saying, Well, why not? If he believes he's a dragon, why not? And that's the scary thing.

But I, in meticulous detail, with lots of documentation. the chapter The Stifling of Scientific Evidence in a Queer Thing Happened to America, you'll find it really, really eye opening. Once you get a chance to go through it, if you have further follow up questions, give me a buzz. One other thing, although NARTH is totally vilified, uh National Association for Research Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. Uh they also they had some of their top guys like like um Charles Sakaridis and some others, sometimes I mispronounce his name if I just did, but some of the most respected psychologists, psychiatrists of the day broke with the APAs when they went gung-ho towards gay activist causes rather than scientific research.

Yeah, so what happened was they formed their own organization. They're vilified. But go to narth.org, n-a-r-t-h.org, you'll find info. And then look for Nicholas Cummings, C-U-M-M-I-N-G-S. Nicholas Cummings.

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I am delighted to be with you. It's Friday, which means you've got questions, we've got answers. Before I go to the phones, here's a question from Jerry. Hi, Dr. Brown.

Does God see us as holy the moment we get saved? I know that we are called to be holy, and therefore it is a consistent process we go through here on earth. But at what point does God call us holy? Do you know, Jerry, that that is a question that I tackle head on in my new book, The Grace Controversy?

Now, I'm going to answer your question very explicitly in a moment. But here are the 12 questions I answer in my new book, The Grace Controversy, which is due out in less than a month. I'll tell you in a moment how you can get a numbered, signed copy of the first printing.

So this is the pre-order. From the first printing, we number the first 100, 200, 300 copies, whatever we get orders for for the pre-order. And I sign them with a scripture reference.

So it's kind of a collector's item. We only do it with that first printing when it first comes out.

So I'll tell you how you can get it in a moment. But here are the questions I answer in the book. Is grace a person? Are all our sins, past, present, and future, already forgiven in Jesus? If a believer fails to confess even one sin before he dies, will he go to hell?

Does the Holy Spirit convict believers of sin? Does God see us as righteous? What does it mean to be under grace and not the law? If God requires anything of us as believers, how is that grace? Are we made completely holy the moment we're saved?

There it is. Question number eight. If hypergrace is not true, Why are so many believers transformed by the message? Do the words of Jesus apply to us today? Is God always pleased with us as His children?

Is it possible to lose your salvation? Those twelve Questions I answer in the book. I'll tell you how you can get it in a moment.

So, Jerry, to answer your question. The moment that you're born again. the very split second. that your sins are forgiven. God pronounces you holy.

That means at that moment He sees you as set aside to him, set apart from sin, set aside. Mm-hmm. At that moment you are justified. At that moment you are pronounced righteous. At that moment you are pronounced forgiven.

At that moment you become a child of God. At that moment you pass from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. At that moment. 1 Corinthians chapter 6, 11, Paul talking about All the various lifestyles, those who practice adultery, those who practice fornication, those who practice drunkenness, those who practice homosexuality, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. He says, and that's what some of you were.

But you were past tense washed. You were past tense sanctified. You were justified. By the Spirit of the Lord. by the blood of Jesus and by the Spirit of the Lord.

Um At that moment, you were set apart as holy. 1 Corinthians 1. to the saints in Corinth What is that? Holy ones. called saints and called to be saints.

So the moment we're saved, we are called holy.

Now, as you rightly say, we are called to be holy. Sanctification is past, present, and future. The moment you're saved, set apart as holy.

Now ongoing, be holy in all your conduct. Perfect holiness in the fear of the Lord.

Now we grow in holiness all the days of our lives. And then, when we are with the Lord, when we are glorified, when we are resurrected, we will be perfectly holy forever. It is past, present, future. Hypergrace people misunderstand that brutally. And they say that if you say sanctification is progressive, that's a spiritually murderous lie.

Very, very serious error and hypergrace.

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We go to Reading, California. Eric, welcome to the line of fire. Hi, Dr. Brown. How are you doing today?

I'm doing well, thank you. Fantastic.

Well, I feel kind of a mix of emotions here. It's wonderful. I'm excited to talk to you. I'm a big fan. Looking forward to this for years, but.

You did just kind of sum up my question, so I was going to ask about holiness. Ah, well, I'm sure there's more to talk about on holiness. But thanks for the good word. Yeah, thank you, sir. My uh my uh I guess my relationship with your work and your ministry is kind of long.

About a few years ago, I guess you could say I was maybe unbeknownst to me, I guess I was one of those hyper-grace kind of folks. And I was actually overseas visiting some friends, and I fell upon one of your Facebook videos. It was a ser um a live video recording of a sermon. when you're preaching about holy. And it seemed like anathema to me at first.

I was like, God, gee, Liz, who is this guy? But uh and it was almost like a uh it was almost like I was in the closet listening to it 'cause I was hanging out with some friends, but I ended up going to bed early and I was kind of in my room quietly listening to one of your videos on my iPhone. And if you can imagine the picture, you know what I mean? It's quite fun. And uh as I'm listening to it, it kinda started to dawn on me and Since then, I've really taken a good eye, a good ear to what you've spoken about, and I've fully subscribed to What I hope to understand is what you mean by holiness and what you're willing for.

Since then, the Lord has called me back into. pursue studies. I'm pursuing an undergraduate degree in Bible and theology, and I've just been accepted to a prestigious Ivy League institution going for graduate studies.

So I'm awesome. I'm following your footsteps and I'm really hoping that you're going to be able to do it. I'll be going to the Princeton Zoological Seminary. Awesome.

So, I'm really looking forward to standing for truth and being well equipped.

So, good. Yeah, and you can expect in an environment like that where you've got some brilliant scholars, you know, really, really sharp top people, but often a very different view of Scripture. and often a very different understanding of of what it means to follow Jesus. you can sometimes get intimidated. Because the feeling is, well, they know so much more than I know.

And yet they're trashing things sacred to me, or kind of say, look, you know, all no scholars believe that kind of thing. And it all depends on the prof.

Some are like that, some aren't. But in point of fact, there are plenty of people, also brilliant, just as smart as the scholars there, and they have a different perspective. They'd say, no, no, there's good evidence for our faith.

So, the key thing you always want to do is keep your own spiritual life strong and intact. You know, you want to do your best to be building yourself up in the Lord and keeping the fire burning bright, and then enjoy the challenge. Like, good, good, this is an area I'm going to grow. this is an area where I'm going to get stronger. And never be intimidated by it.

And if you're struggling, hey, these questions have been asked. A lot of us sat in similar classes, you know. These classes have been asked. Questions have been asked, and there are solid answers for all of them.

So, anyway, that's great to hear. And all right, so any other question we could talk about regarding holiness? Yes, sir? Absolutely, yeah.

So, with that in mind, during my devotional time earlier today, I read Psalm 23. And it's this fantastic psalm. And I study New Testament Greek, so I'm reading through the Hebrew or through the regular English translation rather than the Hebrew. And it seems as though it's a A psalm praising the eternal reign of the Lord and his glory, and it talks about how the waters are so high, water is so high, and then the psalmist declares, Lord, you are higher. And then the last verse it says, in English, says your testimonies are very short.

And then it says this little thing that reads, it reads, Holiness adorns your house, O Lord, forever. And so, I'm trying to nourish myself with this holiness thing that you've kind of imparted to me. And so, I just wondered if maybe you could elaborate: what is the psalmist talking about when he says, Holiness adorns your house. Obviously, you laid out like a New Testament understanding of holiness. These are these, the questions that you're answering in your upcoming book, which I'm excited about.

But I wonder what is the What is the Hebrew perspective on the psalmist as he's writing this? I mean, what does he mean when he's saying the holiness adorns your house? What does that, I mean, how does that apply to us? Right. Yeah.

I wanna I wanna, you know, revere scripture in the same manner like you're saying, you know, I wanna I do believe this is God's Word, I do believe it sticks to this day, but I kind of want to strengthen myself in that in the Old Testament.

So to speak to that, that'd be great. Yes, yes, absolutely. First After praising God and His greatness, where it's now speaking of the things that He has given, the rules that He set down. the instructions that he's given. Because remember, this is Israel's God.

And Israel is obeying God's law, God's teaching, God's Torah. And that's why you often have the laws of God praised in the scriptures. And those laws reflect God's holiness, they reflect His otherness, they reflect His. His purity, his justice, they reflect his ways. I remember many years ago, in the early 1990s, while reading through the five books of Moses, in particular Leviticus, just getting overwhelmed by thoughts of God's holiness and making spiritual application because of that.

So, for example, the fact that priests could not serve in the tabernacle if they had a defect.

Now it seems cruel. I mean, if the guy's a hunchback, or or the guy has some problem with his eyes. where he has a running soar. or something like that, he couldn't serve in the priesthood. But there was a reason it was sending that message of absolute separation.

When when God judged And of only coming with a whole heart. You wouldn't offer an animal that was defective. Malachi, the Lord asked the question, if you got some Handicap, you know, some lame sheep or something like that. It's defective. You're not going to offer that, you know, to a governor.

Here, let's use this for a feast or something. You know, things missing an eye and a leg. No. Well, why would you offer that to the Lord?

So, all these physical, earthly things are teaching us spiritual lessons. In fact, in the larger scope of things, and I'll come back to the specific holiness in this verse, in the larger scope of things, Everything within the law. had a certain didactic purpose. And even if you look at, say, the building of the tabernacle. They were covered in gold.

and then the holy things in silver, and then the things in the outer court in bronze.

So, you had kind of this three-tiered division.

Now, when you look at the animal kingdom. You had the animals that were unclean, couldn't eat those at all. animals that were clean and then animals that were holy, meaning acceptable for sacrifice.

So you have this division between clean, unclean, holy. The people as a whole. You had the unclean, you had to be outside the camp. You had the clean, that was the people as a whole. And then you had the holy, those that could serve within the tabernacle or temple.

So there was this constant. Bifurcation or trifurcation, if there is such a word, where Israel is constantly being confronted with these earthly realities to give them spiritual understanding.

Now we know, as Jesus makes clear in the New Testament, that what you physically eat It doesn't defile your spirit. Because it's physical food. It doesn't defile your spirit. What defiles your spirit are unclean thoughts and attitudes and things like that. But what we see here is.

Praising God for his testimonies, his standards, his ways that he's revealed, what he's requiring of his people Israel. And then with that saying Uh holiness. Becomes your house, La'orch Yamim, for length of days, which we normally say f forever or for all times, meaning that these things are appropriate for your dwelling place, for your house. You are a powerful and mighty, exalted God, the earthly temple being a sense of a a sign of the heavenly temple and God's presence.

So these laws, these commands are reflective of your holy character, and holiness becomes your house. You're an awesome, powerful God, and you are a God who is utterly separated from sin and utterly perfect and just and pure in every way.

So his laws and holiness kind of two sides of the same coin. And because this is the sanctuary, the place of worship, and often where the psalms were sung, often the temple can be central in that theology.

So, those are just some of the thoughts that come to mind. And when we understand that we can really live powerfully, when we understand the things that hypergrace gets right. and eliminate the things that hypergrace gets wrong.

So hypergrace gets right that we are set apart as holy the moment we're saved. Hypergrace gets right. that were in that forgiven column. that saved forgiven column and we don't have to get re-saved every day. Hypergrace gets right.

That you don't go to hell because you forgot to confess one sin, you know, that you kicked the kitten. You know, and pushed it out of the way with your foot and forgot to ask forgiveness for it before you went to sleep. That if you died in your sleep, you go to hell over that. Hypergrace rightly understands that, and hypergrace rightly understands that God's grace empowers us to sin. empowers us to overcome sin.

but it gets so many other things dangerously wrong. That it ends up counterbalancing, and in many cases, bringing real destruction.

So, hey, Eric, keep us posted at your journeys in Princeton. If you ever run into some tough questions there, Uh let us know, okay? Absolutely. Thank you, Dr. Brown.

Blessings too. I'm so honored to welcome you in our home. Bless your ministry and thank you. My joy. And I love the story of how you came across our ministry.

Hey, one other thing, Eric. There is a professor there who wrote the book Almost Christian. Look up Almost Christian. I believe it's a Princeton Prof. It's an awesome book.

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Dear doctor Brown, how can Christians know when to avoid anger? Should Christians always avoid anger? Is anger a sin? But about righteous anger. How can Christians control their anger?

What are some helpful tips you would give to a Christian who is struggling with anger? You know, I struggled with anger as a new believer. I had a fierce temper, Before I was saved, it would be triggered over jealous things and I'd just go berserk with my tongue. And I was a terror to people when I lost my temper. My best friends even had a name for me.

You know, they called me by this other name when I lost my temper just because I kind of became another person. And uh when I first got saved The thing flared up a few times, and I realized, okay, I have to learn to deal with this.

Now, sometimes there are demonic strongholds. And we have to renounce the enemy.

Sometimes people get so bound up that they need someone to really pray for them. and and to help them get set free. And there's sometimes where godly counseling is helpful. To help people get to the reasons for their anger and why they respond, and help them to learn to overcome. But on a basic spiritual level, What I realized the book of Proverbs a patient man is better than a warrior, and the one who controls his spirit than he who takes a city.

The one who rules over his spirit is better than the one who takes a city. I realized I had to rule over this in Jesus. And I remember the times when the thing would be flaring, oh, I was so upset on the inside, and I just lay down and I just. Pray and I just worship, and I said, All right, I have to master this, I have to control my spirit. I would encourage you to to read through the book of Proverbs.

All right. And mark down every verse that deals with being short-tempered. Every verse that deals with being patient. and write those verses out or copy them into a document, And read them and pray over them on a daily basis. You will see.

that a hot tempered person stirs up all kinds of strife, you will see that one of the images is that a a hot tempered or a short Fused person exalts folly. which you're basically doing. And let this picture get in your head when you lose your temper around your wife or your kids or your co-workers or your friends. You are holding up a sign saying, I am a fool. I am a fool.

That's what you do. when you lose your temper, when you give way to these things. As you meditate on this, renew your heart and your mind, it really does make. A difference. And look, if there's some uncontrollable rage and you're flipping out and you're throwing things over, well, I would sit down with a pastor leader and say, This is going on.

And and let's get to the root of this. But in the vast majority of cases, through our relationship with God and renewing our mind according to the Word, you're an overcomer. You're not a slave to your temper. You are the master of your temper. You're not the slave of your temper.

Ultimately, that has to do what you say. Be patient. Don't respond. Don't react. If you can get these images in your mind, you know, people say count to 10.

Well, how about get some of these images in your mind? You know, Proverbs 15 and 1, a soft answer. A harsh word stirs up strife, but a soft answer turns away wrath. That if you say, okay, I am about to provoke something much worse, but I could put it out by simply saying, You're right. I'm sorry.

You find in grace, God gives grace to the humble. You humble yourself, God gives you grace. Oh, wow.

Okay. I'm alright now.

So these are things that are very helpful. And James, Jacob, the first chapter, tells us the anger of man does not accomplish God's righteous will.

Now, is there a righteous anger? Oh, yeah. You encounter falsehood. You encounter injustice.

Somebody caught for human trafficking and and they should spend the rest of their life behind bars. And instead, they cut some deal with a corrupt justice system. And they get out in a year and go back to trafficking, that should anger us, but it's totally different than fleshly anger. That anger drives us to prayer. That anger drives us to serve.

That anger drives us to do what's right. Fleshly anger drives us in a non-constructive way. I hope that does help. Let's see. Andrew, if the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, according to 1 Corinthians 1:18, then why does 1 Corinthians 3.15 say we need to defend our faith?

Ah, two issues. When I'm preaching the gospel to someone, that message in and of itself will be foolishness. that that someone dying on the cross two thousand years ago can save them from their sins. Uh it it's an obstacle. It's problematic in in different ways.

It's uh it it's it's um Something that the natural mind doesn't understand, but it doesn't mean the natural mind understands nothing. It doesn't mean the natural mind is totally helpless to understand anything.

So The fact is many people are going to have questions. And if we can give them a reasonable response, they can listen to the rest of the message. Apologetics in many ways is pre-evangelism. Apologetics in many ways is getting someone ready to hear. the rest of the message.

And then, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, their eyes can be open to salvation. But if I can't even answer someone's simple question, why are they even going to listen to me? Um Faith asks, How do I answer those who say if God knows everything, then why would He have someone born only to know if he's going to hell? I don't have the answer, but I do trust God in the sovereignty. I don't need the answer, but I do need it so to know how to answer.

Others who do. Ask a person Would you rather not Exist. No, I'm glad okay. Would you rather that God took away your free will? No.

Okay. Well, then, if he's going to bring you into existence. And he's going to give you free will. Then you are going to end up in that regard where you want to with God. or without God.

And through it all, God will show his goodness and his rightness. In other words, he will Have mercy? And he will punish the wicked. And in doing both, He will show that he's good. But you cannot have a world where anyone has a free choice.

If everyone's Choice is limited. from before the foundation of the world. In other words, If they want a world like that that everybody just goes to heaven, there's no choice then. There's no good, there's no bad. There's no right, there's no wrong.

It's just you're zapped, you're not zapped.

So very simply God chose To brain. To bring them in the world, knowing fully what their destiny was in advance, but that destiny would be a destiny that they chose. And he wanted people who would freely love him. Love cannot be coerced. That's the short answer.

Um There's more to be said, but that's the short answer. I'd give you the longer answer, but I'm out of time. Remember, pre-order your signed, numbered copy of the Grace Controversy, where I answer the top 12 questions I've gotten on Grace. It'll be out in less than a month. Just $20 postage paid, $1-800.

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