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Well from the FBI to Hillary Clinton. We've got it covered. An increasing pressure on Christians in society today stock for the line of fire with your host activist all the international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by going 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown hi well we didn't focus on this yesterday but I would take a little time today as there is so much uproar around America focus on what's happening with the FBI's recommendation not to indict Hillary Clinton this is Michael Brown you're listening to the line of fire. A lot of the things going to get into today.

That's where you start 866-34-TRUTH are you frustrated, have you had it with the rule of law or justice in America or you're ready pretty cynical in no way is Hillary Clinton going to be indicted.

What is really most damaging here, in my opinion was really most damaging to Hillary Clinton is the list was a 10 minutes of the FBI director. His listing of what Hillary Clinton did wrongly the negligence and the explicit examples he gave that showed that she had perjured herself from what we could see when she testified in Benghazi hearings and said that she did not on on her personal server again. Should no business using a personal server government affairs that she did not send out any classified information that was classified at the time and end here. You have systematic evidence that that was on true very, very simply, very, very basically, this is completely undercutting further credibility.

Not now. Here's another concern I have two people support or care if others say she's lying through her teeth and she's always lied through her teeth.

That's their perspective to those who support do they even care if she's lying or not. Or they at the point are they just as cynical about the whole process is everybody lies is just a witchhunt.

Imagine if it was somebody else not been Clinton not ready for president during the Democratic administration, Democratic demonstration they give somebody else that did this it with their outrage that saying get basically my paraphrase, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, but here's what we won't recommend pressing charges is completely outlandish to raise. Again, this issue of intent. She didn't intend. Did she intend to do government business on a personal server woman.

She's guilty of that. That is criminal Secretary of State that was criminal okay notes. Let's go further. No one is saying that she intended to betray government secrets that she intended to endanger the CIA operatives and the nations that she intended to make available to our worst enemies. Our most prized security no no one saying that, but since when is that required for you to be guilty if if your job say say in the military.

Your job is to be on night guard and into watch to make sure that no terrorists. Intruder breaches your barracks and your used tire you fall asleep tired.

You didn't tend to look the terrace coming to kill people. That's what happened you be court-martialed for. If you're if your commanding officer in your trip to go into battle and you happen to get really drunk the night before and your your decision-making is impaired. The next day and you make a bad decision and your troops die in the intend for that to happen, but your negligence led to it really is outrageous and FBI director Colby will be testifying before the House is very thing possesses partisan policy partisan politics.

My opinion that the recommendation was nothing like that's really all that the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire now by calling 866. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown so these were the results of put a pole that I did yesterday. Again, just a cross-section of folks it would be following me on twitter so it does not represent general consensus of opinion across America just very small sampling of course small sampling of people who happen to follow us on Twitter so primarily people who are in agreement with positions that I take and things like that, at least, leaning in that direction was a people hostile and differing in others to this following curiosity, but the majority just like the majority view lists they would be with me more than against me presumably so my question yesterday how you feel that the FBI's recommendations regarding Hillary. Her actions were careless but not criminal. Their verdict and for you to weigh in here 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87 840 surprised with what the FBI recommend that recommended you agree with Donald Trump that the whole thing is just rigged to think this is going to hurt Hillary Clinton help Hillary Clinton is making more cynical as a whole of the political system, would you think justice was done so I asked that question how you feel about the FBI's recommendations regarding Hillary Clinton and 3% said it was very fair very for 7%. I get three options 7% said the law is unclear.

90% said and outrage and I end this was a agree disagree. I want to give a little more space there you have four choices.

So we came up with three that I thought would work.

90% said and outrage from what I'm seeing consistently in report after report after report that sentiment is felt and held very deeply in America.

The law does not apply to everyone reminiscent that the feeling that you get the law does not apply to everyone and if it had been a person of lesser stature who had been even less negligent. The consequences against them could well have been more severe.

So I in my article. You can read it by going to ask Dr. Brown.org ASKDR Brown dog org go therefore my latest article that I wrote on this by failing to recommend the indictment of Hillary Clinton. The FBI indicted itself. I I come away with with several points I several several points here. First, this is hardly a exoneration for Hillary Clinton are the first thing that let's be clear, even though they're not recommending indictment and who knows if the Department of Justice ever would've gone along with it and who knows whether this was the FBI acting independently or under pressure from the current administration or some pressure from the Clintons. God knows things are often more complicated than we would like to believe.

But first, it's hardly in exoneration for Hillary Clinton and her supporters may try to portray it like that. If your client support you may try to spin it like that but the fact is, even if she was not convicted here of criminal behavior. They recommended that she be indicted. What she did was criminal's criminal negligence and in the very public and and specific exposing of her recklessness will be another strike against her in the elections. In other words, when someone spends 10 minutes and you did this wrong this wrong this wrong this wrong this wrong here. Give an example.

You leave someone in charge of your your your kids where you going away, they're gonna take care your family and cook the food in and oversee things while you're gone and you come back. It's a complete mess. The house is been burned down because of the negligence of their and got burned down because the kids had a big party and other kids came over there using illegal drugs and illegal fireworks in the at all under the supervision of these other people and on and on and on it goes well, okay, they're not going to jail. But here's with her guilty of that.

That does not help those people right so having all these things listed and basically saying okay. Based on this report. Hillary Clinton has lied repeatedly are this or any Trump video out emphasizing a business report we can perjure yourself. The Benghazi testimony this hard exoneration is number one, number two is my take on the FBI's decision will only add to our national skepticism, making us question the system even more right to question the system even more. There was an editorial on CNN.com, which of course be left-leaning but it was it a strong editorial blasting the FBI blasting Hillary Clinton and it was by let's see, it was by Brad Sexton, a buck sexing skews me previously a CIA counterterrorism analyst right and he said the FBI's recommendation was self-contradictory and outrage and he found it deeply depressing.

So here's a guy that knows the system pretty well and and he found with the FBI did deeply depressing is a Clintons colic with your email system is reprehensible, as were her mendacious defenses of it as a Clintons war on oath, and has sacred duty to protect classified information she failed repeatedly so this is only going to increase our national skepticism look at a time like this. We know there are threats with radical Islam. Things like that Americans would love to be able to trust our law enforcement even more. Thank God for the fine people in the FBI and the fine people. The police department and find people in CA find people in the military. It's it's the holes it's the problems it's weaknesses that are the concern but but we'd love to be trusting the FBI now in terms of the war against terror and things like that. But to hear. Many gonna just enough scorn towards the FBI in its third. This'll further fuel the fires of the Trump campaign is essential rigged that place into a thing that's been effective for him in the past.

It's helped rally support his way was when he's perceived as the outsider fight against the corrupting rig system that that appeals to his supporters into many Americans and forth. This will encourage people of faith to pray all the more for sweeping reformation in the nation from the top down, and from the bottom up.

There's an old saying goes back to Shakespeare something's rotten in Denmark will just Denmark sums rotten right here. We need to address at 866-348-7884 is the number to call. Let's go to flower mound, Texas, David, welcome to the line of fire or Dr. Brown hello manager. Art. I.

Probably a month ago and are so excited. I regard Gardner interviewed Rick Kern the five year lottery your ministry, your melody grandpa log part of this one first will thank you so much.

Much appreciated community. This is an example how strident and openly corrupt. Not not just Obama and Hillary but this whole progressive liberal home leadership screams to be right now and knowing years ago frequently prevent but started on July 9 when the president endorsed Hillary and Nana David Ford has a private meeting with Atty. Gen. lunch and then lastly the same Atty. Gen. of the private meeting with Bill Clinton on his private jet on the tarmac and then this weekend the story floated that they're going to conclude the investigation and in the capital off yesterday morning, he says that she was extremely careless of the email that were classified at the top-secret and in fact her server which was a good server with server which I remember ever saying that there were multiple servers involved and they were sent and received on multiple personal devices which I'm pretty sure she said she only had one and they were all clean and white dog recovery. I don't try to make a statement of intent or, if you look at the statute. The intent was not required by by Congress in in the. The primary statute and others appointed out in an as is. I've argues one of one if you negligent if you reckless okay your intent was not that people would die. You were texting while driving and you you you plowed into another car and killed some of that was not your intent, but you're still guilty of negligence that led to someone's death. And in this case, her intent was to handle emails that should've only been handled a government server and and under the tightest security. Her intent was to handle those in an irresponsible way. That was her intent to the business doing a good thing David is that we will double-click everything the clich� and notes office, the progressive, there's corruption everywhere. May God shake it out. Thank you for the calls are on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

I don't want to take a more in its and discuss the FBI's recommendation that Hillary Clinton not be indicted again. Only God knows only God knows the pressure that FBI was under or not right yet we don't we don't know we don't know if this is 100% free that that the FBI director looked at this dispassionately impartially, with no pressure from the Obama administration whatsoever and no pressure from any other quarter and said you know I don't think the evidence calls for indictment.

That's possible you have to do to me.

I may be na�ve and I got to give every benefit of doubt in every direction or to the contrary.

Was it given that there was no possibility that there is no possibility whatsoever that they could recommend indicting Hillary Clinton. That would put too much pressure the Department of Justice because the snow with the partner justice was going to do it if you if you really think that there is a legitimate chance over something like this that the Department of Justice under the Obama administration would indict bring criminal charges against the presumptive Democratic nominee pretty much guarantee a Republican victory in the White House, barring some other strange turn off. I see no way that that with happen. Sorry to be that blunt about it that cynical about it that's seems apparent to me but what if just by detailing what if, by detailing Hillary's guilt.

Hillary Clinton's recklessness, extreme negligence, carelessness, and I look this is only based on emails that were turned in. What about all those that were scrubbed, what were they about what did they say, come on, you know, when you're a kid in your mommy says did you eat the cookies and and you got one in your back pocket and you got still is the remnants of the otherwise injured in your mouth it out here.

Even if you do anything but search me mommy looked check my pockets check my mouth when you did not eat the cookie.

You can go ahead and check it with my hands like my teeth with my mouth but my pockets with Gary. I will have lived my room when you're cleaning your like the whole world to see if FF unclean. The way I'm living and and someone got access to my computer and they searched it great. Go forward in terms of actually I can find a skeleton in the closet there. If I'm unclean of no I just need to do some of my computer diskette clean something up for or about what right you have to do it.

So just based on the evidence that remained. She was found guilty, but not to the point of recommending charges that that is so utterly bogus, but the revelation of the guilt, the recklessness and negligence tells me enough listeners no way I was voting for Hillary Clinton. Anyway, with her vote for Donald Trump or not is a separate story but there's no way swing for Hillary Clinton for a number of reasons. So if if I needed a note which I don't if I needed another. I got it about 10 fold over from the FBI verifying the extreme negligence.

The fact that she was playing by the rules. The fact that the Secretary of State she acted in ways that were utterly irresponsible regarding national security analysis based on what was preserved. We don't we don't even know we don't even know about what wasn't preserved but was scrubbed 866-34-TRUTH we go to Sarah in Rockville, Maryland, thanks for calling the line of fire like talk about calling back by one of the Vatican with my favorite so seriously (now that's so sad you know if it did offer got read by your favorite priest. I wonder who else read like to agree with you ugly duckling, and I like them.

Today Dan according to black manual. The legal briefing note that the tax feedback he actually said she would. The very word, so like a man walking the plank, yet she guilty and now I cannot believe the registration right now if I get that if you thought they were gonna ignite.

No I know, but I like you very much and I like hearing a terrific care but I have to say not voting for trumpet off of bartering for Hillary and I know you are a bit dictated note in your sophisticated and you know that I am praying very hard. Yet, this is Sarah. I I am not in the never Trump can't meaning at all as much as I had strong reservations. I gave my warnings for the most part when there were other Republican options. Of course it endorsed Sen. Cruz with there others I would've gladly backed in and got behind and that's that's on the put videos out. That's what I wrote most of articles Michael Berg moved to to do so. The whole time I did though. I asked myself, is it possible that these words of people had about God raising up Donald Trump or just the fact forget prophetic words.

The fact he keeps winning initiative disqualified himself over and over. It seems so unlikely that an indictment on us.

Is it as I had written a National Enquirer candidate for Jerry Springer generation was God at work. I had on the air yesterday, as I often do on Tuesdays later in the show. Rev. James Robison who is one of those who agreed to be on the advisory Council and he's doing his best to get Donald Trump to hear righteous message and to listen to counselors because James Robison said he does.

Trump does not understand a lot of the political issues or constitutional issues.

Well, and he said if you won't listen, help, help shout out to the world so I am. I am hoping I would an article last week when I'm actually rooting for Donald Trump. Those I want him to get it right.

I want rather like no one yet your story is still on my part and I want to know you know about your fire everything I want to be dealt with very impressed, but don't yet kindly acting well for all great gender inmate. I know should he make a cleaning I'm praying for you.

I know you know what I mean here. You put the right people and I really believe that you look there so many there so many issues. Sarah and the way that he could demean America or degrade us by foolish actions or words or imagery differently there so many problems but I I'm hoping that he'll have deeper change of heart that listen to godly counsel and that he'll be a viable candidates are hoping for but anyway gonna run thank you for the call Sarah and for the good word. Much appreciated friends you listen to this broadcast regularly. Have you helped us had visited with us only on the air through your health, your support.

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Join our team asked Dr. Brown the Lord today. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker, and Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Log into the line of fire will talk about what's happening in society. I just want to remind you of the president United States is in many ways most powerful person in the world.

All though the upcoming elections are tremendously important in many ways my great faith. My great focus is on the one true God, before whom even the nations of the world are like drops in the bucket. So let us always keep our perspective as people of God, let us emphasize what matters most.

Knowing God, walking with him, making him known. And then as responsible believers in this world list make right choices in our families, let us make right choices politically. Let us make right choices.

Socially, morally, all these things matter the let us not lose our perspective, 86634 of us go to Chris passing through Brooklyn, New York. Took a while to pass through Brooklyn midday man better. How you doing well. Good afternoon Dr. Gary trying to remain a good Christian and trying to restructure responsible and all that I have time for my paper. Oh stretch that I don't think this relate. This election is going to have anything to do with who the better candidate is going to have to do with who you dislike more than the other and you will the opposite way and so these people can do as much ill as much bad as they possibly can because were not voting for.

I don't think we choose to do a lot more anymore. We choose to do more and more against. We think that we put more effort into the anti-and we going to the Pro and so Hillary could do what you want to do because those are good about America. They don't like or any out or they will both argue that electronic so where's the midpoint in any of where is God in any of it. Please answer me. Yeah. Right now we have two of the most unlikable candidates in our political history and those of the those of the main choices and you much rather rally around someone that you really feel could help that you really feel could make a positive difference and we know that to a great extent the way that you will elections is by negative campaigning. It's the kind of thing that if your moral godly person. How you do that if you and I were running against each other for an office, a zero-sum position in Brooklyn and that of some school board thing and we are both godly believers. What went on, and maybe in the same euro denomination when I can be bashing each other and mocking each other because that would be a wrong thing to do would say hey here's what I could do a good job on this and that but you can't do that these days of because of that, the negativity, so we need to step back Chris to answer your question and not get caught up with it ourselves a look where there is error or sin and address it and expose it and always going to do it in a way where we were first examining our own hearts and our lives. If I see corruption. I will address it if have concerns gonna raise them for the purposes that we get on our faces and pray Chris, it's been for many years, but it's becoming more and more acute. The only hope for the strong future of our nation's radical visitation by God. Beginning in the sleeping, complacent, compromise, church were only a small remnant is really focused on doing the will of God and obeying the Lord and living in the light of eternity. That is the that is what we must have served so the take away is big mass big political mess, big electoral mess, but a much bigger God can intervene. Therefore, we must put our energies towards praying for awakening and working towards living out the gospel in our own personal lives. Keep your faith in him. The noise man is very gallant second call on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and I wanted to change subjects talk enough about and the cynicism towards this system and the FBI's failure to recommend indicting Hillary Clinton while exposing apparent lies in her previous testimony, and raising all kinds of questions about negligence. We switch subjects here talk about something that is in America right now in increasing measure which is hostility towards Christian faith hostility towards Christian morality hostility towards our fundamental religious freedoms and as we saw with the tragic massacre in Orlando. Radical Muslim can carry out murderous acts against dozens of gays and lesbians and gay nightclub and Christians somehow get blamed for it.

It's it's part of a larger rising tide of anti-Christian sentiment in America and it's one of these issues that we must navigate today. I'm joined on the air by Tom Gilson. He's been on the air with me before I he's the author of critical conversations of Christian parents guide to discussing homosexuality with teens just are the title you say yourself as a parent I think I need that book I would suggested I endorsed it with encouragement for many to read the book but Tom is an apologist. He works on college campuses. He writes regularly for the stream stream.org and I want to navigate some of these difficult minefields with Tom now. Hey, welcome back to the line of fire. Yes also Tom paints a larger picture for us is if you were looking back over recent years or decades.

What are some of the contributing factors that have brought us to this place of greater hostility towards Christian faith and Christian morals in America today and probably it comes down to a couple of broad movement. One of the sexual revolution goes way back to the 60s and at that point there was a turn away from Christian morality probably seen recently were people that it can be traced back to Carol of theology, even preceding curtains wrote what really turned it might have been 911 after that. Sam Harris wrote a book called the end of faith in which he was the first thing to articulate the opinion that all religions basically have the same problem or to the overall faith systems and because raw food systems and if one of us is really bad that were all really bad happened that after 911 that religion in general. Got a bad name. Even though Christianity and Islam. Don't believe the same thing so that was going on. There was a homosexual activist movement going on that you written about that with Dr. documentation Anna goes back to the 1980s, at least all these things are coming together, but there is certainly an antireligious throughout the West that's arisen largely because of multiple activities and 911 and terrorism following yes so so you have sales like Sam Harris in the face and easiest author when he sees what happens with that. The number one terrorist attacks and then that to him is the fruit of religious fundamentalism.

And I can understand how a nonbeliever would look at this, but now Christianity which preaches a different message. We've been the dominant faith in America since the founding of our nation as of a decade ago, maybe 85% of the nation professed to be Christian, maybe a solid third with pretty serious about their faith. Yet we work around murdering people and blowing up buildings people sue about the Oklahoma City bombing did nothing with Christianity Timothy McVeigh was was that a Christian it was the Christian theology was following.

Yet when you have a theology that can lead to murderous terrorist acts like radical Islam yet focus on that, but don't compare that to the teaching of Jesus, which is going to lead to laying down your life rather than taking someone else's life between Obama Christianity between our founders taught (if you gave up his life that he said, let more parties, it was the man of violent following a religion of peace that been debated. I'm not sure we've looked at it with the right kind of carrot needs to be looked at because I have never heard anyone in public in a public position think Islam is a religion of peace and this is how we know it is. It seems like a Western palliative veneer put over Islam, but you don't have to put that kind of the miracle Christianity there. It is a religion of love and.

And of course it is a religion that have standards but we have a way of dealing with think that doesn't doesn't go the same way as bongos yeah it's it's very true.

So what what do we. What do we do to what we do to have a conversation with the society that is hostile without retreating from our moral views of what's right and wrong numbers if if a lot of society just decides that there are new rights and new wrongs and we don't agree with those how we have conversation how do we hold to our views without falling into the category of being pickets in the eyes of the world first word that's not going to be very among every Christian listener to do some homework. Michael we have got to understand our belief. We got to understand what the Bible not only what it said but why why it's good as it really is good moral standard to go active in the Bible are good and we can put the smile we need to know why we know that it's true and what the reason I say this is because I think a lot of the rancor and discord comes from people who were kind of flailing the gun opinion and I don't the defendant if you know what you're talking about. You stated calmly and you can stand with that and if someone attacks you can smile and you can say well, but keep talking am open to the conversation if if you're not sure of yourself. That's a lot harder to do Christian. We've got to learn what we believe why we believe and why it's good you let let's come back to the point, why it's good yeah why is our faith better. What why is our message better.

Why why look if summonses district outdated views on sexuality or outdated views on marriage and family. You need to move on when let's say that the Bible theoretically taught that all medicine was bad and you should never use medicine so were dying like flies will then obviously you know that's a wrong teaching, and we have to question our belief in the Bible, but you're saying that the leaf in the bottle belief in God's ways. These things are good.

How do we convince the world or get the world to see that what we believe is actually good merit demonstrated in her own relationships and so for those persons who are married, there needs to be what we live it out and we can show what it means to live in a marriage where there is forgiveness and grace. Trust and love and mutual commitment but really the goodness can also be shown in the taxpayer when I think of kits for example, you could ask a sociologist to make a pullout and psychologist like a pullout doesn't if not hundreds of papers that would say that it's really good for kids to be raised in a family with their own mom and dad biological or adoptive and there's a lot of evidence for that. You couldn't walk up the 14-year-old you could say are your parents still married Mary getting along fairly well and if the answer is yes, you say well you gratify way what the child with a 14-year-old that would benefit the team for another not married anymore or they're not getting along very well. You wish they weren't quite certain that they wish they were you not know that without having to read all the sociologist papers marriage is good and it's good for kids.

It's good for the next generation. It's good for the couple. It's good for the community could bill it generative it supports relationship that that's just the start right so God's ways or ways of life.

And somehow we need to convey that to our society.

I got a bunch more constructive questions from I guess Tom Gilson's book critical conversations a Christian parents guide to discussing homosexuality with teens you find time to be a wise guy, full of love for compassion for patients full of truth.

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These conversations that parents need to have with their kids about homosexuality and with your teams.

In particular, so Tom we often talk when I say we consider Christian leaders about the increasing threat to our freedom of religion in America today. I would an article on the stream on Monday for July 4 saying that on this July 4 or religious freedoms are under assault.

Wake up in the first example I used is SB 1146 in California, a bill that would require to quote David French Christian schools to disclose if they are seeking traditional religious exemptions from antidiscrimination laws which strip public funding from any school that imposes traditional Christian rules of morality and conduct matters of sexual orientation and gender identity. Only schools the train pastors are exempt princes.

The message is clear, confirm or close so if you say for example that we require our faculty and students to sign a certain code of conduct and that code of conduct recognizes homosexual practices sin or that code of conduct affirms that biological males are males about females or females they could theoretically lose their funding a Christian college, university, which would effectively sink them or are we are we saying the skies falling skies falling when nothing is really happening or has there been an ominous turn turn out later in July 3 in church on Sunday talking about pastors preaching about religious freedom and celebrating and I was I was sitting there almost holding back tears thinking this might be the last time I hear a sermon where were celebrating.

Remember religious freedom is turning and barristers new control being attempted at least against churches in Iowa. There's your significant reason to think that that we are under fire and as you said in your article in time for Christians to wake up great awakening are famous for turning around society and histories and awakening means to wake up. We had better we can awaken to the reality of Jesus Christ and to the goodness again of Jesus Christ. We better wake up to what going on. So how do we do that without getting kind of ghetto defeatist. Everybody's against us mentality which which does not tie in with the vibrancy and reality of the gospel study mission doing homework yank missionary biographies read. I'm not sure I like the title but read Don Nick Rifkin's book the insanity of God.

In fact, I don't like the title but it's about Christians living in currently and persecution around the world and it credibly good book but study mission which were not in any new position here were in a position where we have an opportunity to live as God's people in the midst of people who need to know God and that's what missions have been about the beginning we should just be aware that wearing a mission field. Now that we always were more obvious now take it seriously great commission disciple build love or opportunity right and then again we we kind of falling into the trap of all America is largely Christian in and Christian views are widely respected in an we have these freedoms here and tax exemptions for churches and there's a lot of truth to that, because of which we just looked at ourselves is like the dominant majority, which is not a healthy way to look at things, and in this world because it ends up where we have a fleshly confidence rather than a divine confidence and opportunity for us to get to know God in a way we never before. I'm looking forward to some fear. I don't know what happened. Everybody happened to me and my family owned. I don't know what can happen. The radio shows like line of fire. But I do know that God was able to get along without radio he was able to get along without tax exemptions the church made it work on a make it and God is going to be glorified.

We need to keep our heads up. Yes, absolutely. That is, that is a message we must here hate Tom. We only got a little while ethic because these issues are constantly before us families.

Parents whenever I go out and speak. If I am asked to speak by the church on the moral cultural issues. There's inevitably a line of people wanting to talk to me often with tears, and they want to tell me about what's happening in their family or with their kids are with their spouse having to do with homosexuality heavy with transgender questions of what will your book critical conversations to how will the house fill a void for these parents help them understand and help them understand that some of the charges laid against Christians by homosexual activists are baseless and so that would pick Stan with her head held high and the dickens.

They can be confident and calm American in your loving interactions with their loved one, so the stronger and more secure place on which to stand and to love the person and also if you feel more secure that you're on the side of truth that your beliefs are biblically sound their morally sound their socially sound is a whole lot more confidence doesn't so much easier to talk and love from that perspective.

Knowing the truth is important. Living the truth is important. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and say that everyone was going agree with everything you didn't say would always get you did say that he was giving us what it took to live in love followed him absolutely and that that love will always triumph and if we are looking for. Not so much success in society but the blessing of God. See lives changed in the kingdom of God, advanced we can experience that every Darrell is a Tom, thanks for the great work, keep it up. Look for to seeing you again together. Let's do it. Absolutely a Tom Gilson. The book critical conversations. You'll find it tremendously helpful, especially if you have teenagers so I commended to you friends, but encourage you to stand with us and believe God with us. If you have a dime in your pocket if you don't know where your next meal is coming from.

You can pray pray that God will not only meet your need, but the goblin enable us to be a voice on the frontlines that he would amplify this voice because my voice is amplified. It's our voice it's your voice. That's what we do is pray about standing with us if can affect ground the Lord click on delete. That's what keeps us doing what were doing my bottom line today. Jesus is the victor church, that must be our mindset. What about the campuses.

What about the secular universities. Is there a place for conservative Christians and conservative professors on these campuses is time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Yesterday I had on the air with a fascinating gas.

Very interesting background. Second time was on the air with me.

He had been raised by two lesbian moms he was in gate when he recalled a lifestyle for years identified as bisexual had a wonderful experience coming to know the Lord Jesus.

He's happily married now with the family, but he taught at a second university taught humanities taught classical texts and because he was outspoken about his views because he testify to what he knew what he experienced in his life. He was constantly under attack. He was constantly harassed. Charges were constantly being brought against him, and finally finally he got to the point where he said okay you know what forget the fact that I am working towards my tenured status year I am going to leave.

I'm going to resign and go instead teach at a Christian University how bad our sayings on the campuses today how extreme have things become. Is it possible to be a godly conservative and be on the college campuses is is that possible in terms of many of the secular campuses in few minutes were going to speak with two professors who have authored a book passing on the right conservative for professors in the progressive universities. It's it's unique book it's based on 153 interviews that they did and all is the University more tolerant than we know. Is there total crackdown are there university thought police. How bad are things we talk about that my own experiences is interesting because I never went to Bible college. I never went to seminary I got my bachelors degree from Queens College in New York City and then I got my Masters and PhD from New York University and said all of my studies were secular. I got my Masters and PhD and near Eastern languages and literatures, and studied only with professors who differed with me every so often I have a religious Jewish professor solves the different with me because my faith in Jesus, but had a more sympathetic reading of Scripture as I with and that was believed to be God's word of enemies.

We had a common Hebrew Scriptures and sometimes I studied with atheists.

Sometimes, I studied with Jews that were once more religious in our irreligious, the chairman of the department at New York University was a former Jesuit priest and that the main mentor that I had through my PhD studies at NYU and is his friendly way of saying it was a former Orthodox rabbi who went heretical so I was always in this environment of being kind of that the the square peg try to go to round hole because as a conservative believer myself, I was in secular versus but they always work with me. I got scholarships based on my academic work I got my PhD work done fairly my committee. Everything was fair. What's it like, though, to be a professor.

In this setting out my guest professor John Shields and Prof. Joshua done co-authors of the book passing on the right conservative professors in the progressive universities published by Oxford University press is a serious well that academic work out.

We are to have an interesting conversation. I'm eager to find out what their findings are filed in line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown � about God is not relevant to the subject matter and she literally was not allowed to talk like that's what that's what she said when I debated Prof. Bart Urman will New Testament scholar and even better known.

Agnostic professor at UNC Chapel Hill. When I debated him on the problem of suffering at Ohio State University years back, looking into more of what he did.

I knew in his big survey class New Testament survey class. We have a lot of Christian kids in the class that he would really try to demolish their faith in the Scriptures of what what what what place then does a conservative professor have at a so-called progressive university. We hear that it made universities across America. Very few conservatives are asked to do the commencement speeches is there only place for conservative professors saying Christian universities and and and schools of faith. My gas professor John Steele's associate professor in the Department of government at Claremont McKenna College in Joshua done Prof. of political science and director of the Center for the study of government in the individual at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs have co-authored passing on the right conservative progress conservative professors in the progressive universities. So let me bring both Dr. Don and Dr. Shields on the gentlemen welcome to the broadcast great so you can jump in. Accordingly, because II don't know. Uniquely, which specific piece of the puzzle each bring. So you can jump in as you please and that in the dialogue here, but what what caused you to do this studies major.

It's groundbreaking what Dr. interest. Well, I get a workable time so we had a natural interest in the project and and then you know we will be.

I thought it was very understudied and important topic to political diversity was important in higher education and so we were drawn and interested in that in this intellectual minority and we say� What's the general environment in terms of conservative thought at the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs. What what percentage would you say of the faculty.

What identifies conservative all at my church and I'm not certain what the percentage would be. I probably comparable to the percentage of that most public universities so you probably have more in the heart find them and feel, though, I'm an engineering that are morbid and find that there there are relatively few social kind of inhumanity and injections would you say that's your assessment is while you're in school. Michael kind of funny because our art director, McKenna College, which was founded in the postwar years and it was counted as a particularly by by Bob Reagan. Our upside Nixon Republicans who you know wanted to fight the Cold War and so with a much more conservative place compared to locks of liberal arts colleges. Having said that, it it become more liberal over time. So I would estimate that you know about, you know that 18% of our faculty are Republican. That doesn't sound like a big number, but compared to other elite liberal arts colleges.

It's a very high number because it most honorably liberal arts colleges there are. There are no Republicans at all are.

If they do exist there. There's one or two here or there are extremely rare at those kind of institutions so I don't know how much she looked at this larger picture and if you'd rather not get into this in depth. That's fine because I do want to focus on what you found in your book passing on the right conservative professors in the progressive university but we all know any of us that have studied history of American education that it was initially people that want to be biblically literate that the founding of our famous universities over the years. Harvard or Yale.

So many of the great universities the Ivy League schools were founded as Christian schools require certain biblical literacy either to produce pastors or produce a biblically literate society. Maybe out of the first 250 colleges and universities in America up into the mid-1800s perhaps 225 and the vast majority case were founded by Christian organizations. Denominations, it S that's a long time ago was a different world can if you comment on how the shift is gotten so radical from biblical Christian foundations to becoming so secular and even hostile in certain ways back to the University in the late 1800s and early 1900s German model of hired patient took hold of United there is, vapid, and also in the in the 1900 University came to be seen as a kind of left wing institution and go more. Phone wanted to become a professor, they typically wore work were on the left and go that had an effect over time.

The 1960 and 70 and where the new left again. March the long march. Call and so that that has helped private recently as well. Jan professes you to join a jump as well. Yeah, I would've had the good you know a lot of you disciplines are really forming my political fire and theology during the progressive era and so they were shaped by that spirit� Optimism that social problems could be sold in a scientific way and until that fueled I think it took to liberals and the mind much more so than conservatives yet and course. It's interesting we have the idea today that that's often put forth that Christianity stands in opposition to progress in knowledge and progress in science, but historically was quite the opposite. Great scientist. Great academics were Christian and often it was the church that was the place that the birth to this so put us in the social context is is important. So how did you then go about your study. You ended up doing 153 interviews again.

It's the first of its kind. First ever book length study conservative scholars.

How did you come up with your plan of attack will be first began by identifying known conservatives in six different plans in the social sciences and humanities that we chose because economics betrays political science, theology, history, philosophy and literature, and and we were looking as we first identify the known conservatives in those areas by looking at conservative magazines and periodicals and so we got we got an initial list of people to those sources and then what we did is we approach those people we asked them to name names right with it who you know by Cusa conservative in your discipline that we might not be able to identify a more public kind of sources, and that led us to another batch of people and then we approach them and we asked them the same question. We repeated that process. Many times this is donning other kinds of areas of the social sciences a couple snowball sample beautiful as you led to sort of more more individual in its ideal for studying people that are hard to identify rights.

In fact exhibit a method is often used to study the homeless right if you want to study. You know what identify the home with New York City. This kind of method is used also that happened like a pretty good method to identify conservative about the many of whom are closeted and don't want to be found closeted consumer processes amazing.

There is a book that was written about problems in the psychiatric profession where there was basically accusation of the complete liberal hijacking with an agenda and when these professionals wonderfully been a the head of the APA for some time and both of them highly respected when they were trying to put this book together destructive trends in mental health, they found people were not willing to contribute chapters for fear of what could happen to them academically.

So Dr. Shields we just got about 30 seconds now it was for summary with the results better or worse than you were expecting well in some way they were having a little bit of both.

There were speakers were identified more closeted folks than we anticipated. On the other hand, we also I also really develop an appreciation for tenure. Tenure is a very important petition because it really does. I think attack the academic intellectual freedom house academics will always closeted folks. We found also tend to come out of the closet after interesting interesting. I will be right back. My guest Prof. John feels best judgment on their book passing on the right thing by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown for this may manifest done respectively from the Claremont McKenna College and University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, co-authors of passing on the right conservative professors in the progressive universities want to pick up on something that was touched on by Dr. Shields right right before the break. You mentioned that there are conservative scholars consider professors quote progressive universities who remain closeted. In other words, that they do their academic work but they don't come out clearly is conservatives until they have their tenure and then they come out.

How common was this well. About 1/3 of our sample. Closeted themselves prior to tenure and it was critically pronounced in certain discipline right. So in fact we didn't find any closeted conservatives are made. We found one in the field of economic economics is much more violent, politically much less politicized discipline than from the other social sciences and humanities field study, but it was relatively calm in in the Baylor field so it was, I think find the theology and history. You know, upwards of 40%, a little more under the closet and felt, and it also seems to be becoming more common as well. For example, the really old guard. You know the people we know. The academic you started teaching in the 60s and early 70s those folks said that they really didn't tend to closet themselves prior to 10 year but more recent generations of academics� Becoming a more popular strategy and answer session agenda, what with the primary issues be that these conservative professors are afraid to speak openly about is a just a general political conservatism that the Republican is it that they hold to conservative moral values about family and sexuality.

Is it kind of in all the above are one particular hot button issues conservative you're more likely to lock yourself are much much alike which are impacted collect of babying out an economic consider the social conservative, closeted adult on the engine that they were more likely, violent, but I don't want to say that economic conservative about pre-dolly to express their opinion gone on issues as well. We did have people talk about how dangerous expression and not by Obama care� Certainly about interesting social gentleman was there, was there any sense of. Okay, if you're married for 20 years and then your spouse comes out with a secret that you never knew about that.

They're really not who you thought they were there be a deep sense of betrayal. Once these closeted conservatives have have come out what's the reaction. This may perhaps a touch of anger. I felt like it not been led by some of the closeted that we we interviewed some of the closest brand interdepartment did not know the politics that I really did feel like they were there been a violation of their different however closeted but often after they came out they were melancholic to recall some of things that they bet about the volcanic, and remind them about why they might spot interesting and you know and all with the reaction of students was so students will one comment that we frequently see from the label identify conservative investor, precisely because the politics were not apparent in the classroom and if you still know how that may prompt the other� On the right. While the allocable positive but many of them that bit by bit we can figure out conservative or liberal. So in other words, if they were not safe watching the gay pride parade button or did not have their their sky their office designated as a safe space for gays and lesbians, and you could just assume that they had a certain view. So the interesting that the students were more aware of it than some of the colleagues that's that's fascinating but you don't paint holy bleak picture in your book that certain things were better than expected. So let's let's hear about some of the positive openness that exist to some level.

Sure I you know I think the economy is a much more tolerant place then a lot of conservative think it did reload conservative out five economy critique it from the outside, and I certainly understand why conservatives distrust the University got lots of things wrong wrong with it except it's excessively politicized, but it also the case that there's lots of spaces in academia where conservatives can find a relatively friendly environment and in fact they tend to gravitate to precisely the area right so I think one reason there are so many conservatives in economics about the theology economic much more friendly to conservative points of view. It's also true within certain subfield of other disciplines opaque history. For example, not a lot of did not want to. Conservatives become 20th-century American historian because that area is saturated with controversies about race and gender in a very subtle leftist way. So instead what they do is to gravitate toward areas like military history or ancient history for the American founding in those areas tend to be more friendly to them. So the one hand that's a good thing because it means there spaces for conservatives to do interesting intellectual work on the other hand, it's really too bad that there's are some areas that are much more dangerous right and in fact, conservatives tend to gravitate toward the areas where there least needed but we don't actually I think you need more conservative than economic. We need more conservative starting you know a hot button issues and controversial issues and and and they need to be in areas that are dominated by the lab, but they tend to steer clear. Yeah right. When we come back. I'm glad you can suspend a few more minutes with me.

I want to ask a couple of questions, one about what about tolerance and cynical progressive universities into what you would recommend the strategies do we do our best to infiltrate universities again asked conservatives and and bring a vibrant robust conservative challenge to some of the current ideologies that that we do not find to be intellectually or morally or socially sound or do we just can't give up shipping and do our best to raise up competing Christian universities was interesting you mention just finding a place that was safe. I did all my degrees in languages so even though I had conservative views of the Bible I could blow my twisting scholarship just by the villas at BlackPlanet.

If I found what it's interesting, I respected here within that even though they differ by the Expo line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, our earliest colleges University by Christians or Christian education for training of pastors and Christian leaders and for training of people who would go to every aspect of society. Every area of service in America, but with a strong biblical foundation, things of shifted greatly dramatically of the Harvard University beauty Yale University you look at the founding models of the schools, and it was for the glory of Christ, and it was for the knowledge of God and that was a foundation up until the turn of the 20th century. The early even into the early 20th century students at Yale attended Chapel several times a week on a voluntary basis.

Think shifted dramatically. Some pointed to the Christian Smith and others authored a book on the secular revolution beginning in the mid-1800s, changing in the educational system changing in the mindset we find ourselves today. The unique place and professors John Shields and Joshua done have co-authored a book passing on the right conservative professors in the progressive University. They interviewed 153 professors, conservatives and professors Shields and Donald themselves are conservatives and they they has some very, very interesting findings on these University campuses it's it's an important subject to talk about is massively important in terms of the education of the next generation gentlemen when you speak of progressive universities. First, how would you define progressive what is that mean these days, and secondly is there true tolerance of diverse views in the progressive universities you will liberal author to write about work, progressive, applicable are some who are putting back progressive era the progressive era when describing� Progressive not the kind of weight history and everything is moving forward in sports bar graph and incompetent� Progressive found application of the problem of the great about the yes so within that setting at what would be recognizes liberal/progressive universities. Is there real tolerance tolerances.

It is a big word. We hear constantly is there true tolerance of diverse views be among faculty, students in these universities are is a kind of an Orwellian sense of tolerance well III think it's hard to trust in some way. You know what part of the University of a single thing you know what I think I like the word, multi-diversity actually and it University of the very place pot because disciplines are so powerful and I I think that you know there are some disciplines which tend to be relatively tolerant in the social type of humanities and some that are not, and I also think there's a big divide in the University and the biggest divide in the University is not between conservatives and liberals because conservatives are much too marginal right that really powerful faction inside the modern university. I think the biggest divide in some way to the University is between the liberal left.

That is the last that really does want an open and tolerant University and begin liberal left, which wants to, you know, control speech and shut down people with whom they disagree, and I think that it displeases something much bigger than the last year. Very interesting. I jump in there.

Let's talk about it's gotten bigger than the micro aggressions in all of this struck strategy should Christians professors the need high impact hey friends, this is Michael Brown I would encourage you to join our support team today become a torchbearer. One of our regular monthly support as it enables us to broadcast the line of fire in America and around the world and all. Every month we sold back into many many different ways join our team become a torturer asked Brown a SK ground on click on donate here again is Dr. Michael Brown I'm speaking today with Joshua Don and on book passing on the right conservative professors in the progressive University published by Oxford diversity press. This is Christian talk radio, but we constantly deal with issues in the society were constantly talk about moral cultural issues, and often talk about education so this is highly relevant subject. Many, many of our listeners have followed what happened. University of Missouri. They've taken a real hit in terms of of incoming students and things like that as as I understand and there's been a lot of backlash for the way the University handled some problems. It's difficult subjects. Now, but this whole thing of micro aggressions and if you say certain things offending a certain group of people and and you can even challenge one another's thinking right before the break, Prof. Shields, you mentioned the greater divide you see in the universities is between the liberal left that once an open exchange of views in an illiberal left that doesn't Prof. Dennis, is this something growing on on other campuses as well. The sick extreme view where you just decant you have to watch every word you say it's growing much among faculty about what what you been with many big part or abatement driven yeah and you don't often faculty participating. You have Detroit in their Missouri with a black who got involved Bailar. This seems to be driven by driven by student. Some of them are. I think some the loudest voices are getting about the tension. I also think it bit that it's not as widespread as it appears. The University is a very big and have you and that like like the Terry at Yale Art John Claremont McKenna College in if a lot of attention, but at many schools. I don't think it's going to be much of that I think you probably do more of it at allegiant were taken hold mode interesting. Now II had a guest on with me yesterday very interesting story. He was raised by two lesbian moms he lived a life for many years as a gay man and then began to identify as bisexual. He's become a committed Christian conservative.

He's married to woman. Now with the child and he taught in California. His his field is the classics, the Greek and Latin classics but he was outspoken about his views and because of his experience where he lived and how you been raised so he was under constant harassment. One thing after another and he was going to fight it out to get tenure. He finally said forget it. I quit. It's not it's not worth holding on until I get tenure and he's not teaching humanities at a Christian University health Hill start in the fall. Now again that's just his own story and everyone's going to have their own journey in their own story to tell, but is there a way do you recommend it is, is there feasible path for more and more openly conservative professors to infiltrate colleges when I say infiltrate make a positive impact or virtually door shut.

If you're an open conservative or too many door shut will what we abandoning that concert the secular universities or can we still make a positive impact.

I conduct, I would be a big mistake to abandon University you know conservatives can succeed in higher education are certainly our story, the one you just mentioned example I so not exist right and I think our book highlight some other cases but I also think that we point to many more examples all professors who succeeded, that doesn't mean they haven't faced challenges in University. A lot of them have a lot of those obstacles can be overcome.

And so I think it University the place a conservative can succeed.

I think it's important that they know that and I think it would be really tragic if conservatives walked away from the University because University really needs those voices and I don't think that it's I think Christian University. Of course, a very important conservative think tanks are very important, but we still need conservatives at elite institutions, particularly at PhD granting institutions right because who's going to train the next generation of academics but I need you mean some people and the good news is it doesn't have to be a huge number. It's not as if the University needs to look like America blighted, but it doesn't have to have a perfect balance of liberals and conservatives. It just needs to have some more right at the end and even just a small increase right we could increase the percentage of conservative social scientists from you now 6% to 15%.

I think that could have a big impact on the University right he could change the kind of conversations are going on inside in five University.

That could change the classroom to change the culture of the institution and so I'm optimistic.

I mean, I think we we need. We should encourage conservative and into academia yet and it's one thing to make something into a God, you know that you have to have tenure or you have to have your kid has to go to an Ivy League school or whatever and in that sense I don't believe that we bow down to the God of secular academics but by no means do we withdraw, of course, especially when it University's play such an important role in shaping the thinking of the next generation. What kind of impact can a conservative professor have on on students when you have many students that come in conservative and then kind of an intimidating environment because the professors know so much and are so influential in its it's not politically acceptable to hold to certain views.

What kind of life-giving.

If I can you see it in your own classes. I'm sure that when when you are intellectually sounding in your good moral character through decent people and you hold to these concert reviews and smashes a lot of stereotypes. What effect does it have on conservative students. Well, I think my mentor right.

I mean one problem with University, you know, young conservatives quickly conservative activist are being raised by wolves or no one that they can turn to and will model what a good, thoughtful conservative looks like. So I think I think it's really important from a kind of a mentorship point of view onto Hansen conservative out it's really important for liberals right because liberals it punctures better stereotypes about conservatives, thoughtful conservative professor contact right. You just need one or two right and they can challenge them and puncture their prejudices as well and in just one last question, then professor done. Do you believe that the path is open for for young professors who are openly conservative to actually get positions in these progressive universities. I think it is about. It's more open and some fields that it is another I and so need to be aware that you want to go to graduate school in your service bureau. You recognize that you're going in its totality, it can be a very more difficult for you than that. If you're going in economic or even political file three have to beware of it apart even though the path is open to make it fair that it's narrower for you than the moment conventionally left you, but that's the reality.

And you know what you're getting. Yeah, and most folks just need to take it on. It's not just a matter of convenience. It's also matter of having a larger social vision Gemini. I appreciate you doing this work.

I appreciate your role as conservative scholars. In making this research available. Hopefully it'll be eye-opening and encourage more to come out of the closet.

So thanks so much for joining us today and forever, never having all right. The book passing on the right conservative present professors in the progressive universities.

The authors again.

John Shields and Joshua done themselves conservative professors and secular universities.

All right, I've I've got a few more minutes on the broadcast today and I don't want to share my own thoughts about spiritual optimism even for universities. I I don't live with a sense of hopelessness, despite what I see with my eyes. You might call me a dreamer.

I would say better to call me a believer yeah I I've dreams that I believe God's put in my heart but I'm not just hoping against hope that maybe even though were losing 102 zero others three seconds left in the game that somehow will score hundred one points of Nono. This is a grounded found it optimism for good reason. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice important cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown hey thank you friends for joining us on the broadcast basic for my latest article did write an article last night. The FBI and Hillary Clinton failing to recommend the indictment of Hillary Clinton.

The FBI indicted itself. You can read it by going to my website. Asked Dr. Brown a SKR Brown.org that's the place to read the latest article as well as one that I wrote on July 4 about our religious freedoms really be under fire. Time to wake up well. I look at a lot of negative might my take on my take on what happened with the FBI. Hillary Clinton is stabbing negative I do mean hopeless. I just minutes. That's bad stuff that basically it paints or is a liar and a responsible and reckless last person I would want to one of the last people I vote for his present United States. I cannot possibly vote for a good conscience and then it exposes the FBI exposes the FBI for or at least direct your call me for failure to recommend indictment, it feeds into people skepticism with the whole thing is rigged and I just posted a mean on Facebook and on twitter and I asked us and ouch this is too harsh and it says it's it's director Colby taken his mouth put his hand on the Bible I James, swear to uphold the law. Except when it comes to Hillary Clinton passes is that that's too harsh and must be responsible for saying no, not at all that's that's what happened yet. So III see the bad I see the negative and just speaking with these professors who are conservative professors at secular universities. They wrote a whole book about conservative professors at other universities and how good a good number of them are in the closet or they stay in the closet with reviews those they would not be openly conservative until I got tenure there was a tenure they could pretty much do anything they could stated that they believe the movie revolves around a piece of Swiss cheese and spinach still keep your tenure but think of that and it is not even a good strategy you just know, years and years and years not letting people know who you are and then wonderfully safe then you do it, but putting all that aside, can we see universities change not unexpected Harvard to go back to the way it was when it was found.

It was at 1696 when when it was was in earlier and that when it was founded and it was founded as the school for the glory of Christ as part of the motto and it was Christian in every way. And yes, you studied classics and things like that but biblical education that was that the heart and soul of it and then raising up literate clergy.

That was the heart and soul. Yale's of schools in our nation's history, Princeton, Columbia so many they started as lately Christian and I mentioned earlier in this hour that it was maybe even as late as 1927. Somewhere in the 1920s. I believe that up until then Yale University students attended five voluntary chapel services a week. I may just think you can even imagine what an Yale was marked by awakenings and revival movements in the Yale Chapel, Timothy Dwight.

He was a strong Christian professor for Pres. and they had outpourings of the spirit in great repentance during his tenure, and at other times and and for most of Yale's history until the end of the most recent history.

Every president was a minister. So I I'm not looking for that to happen often on the tests of teeth pretty pretty big wakening greater than anything they servicing you with enough words to describe the greatness of that awakening but I don't believe that everything is just going to get more and more hostile now that maybe the time will come in history. I just don't believe were there.

I believe that things will bounce back. I believe that the radical views the radical laughter to destructive or not life-giving and and that these professors who got their ideas and their ideologies in the 60s or in the aftermath of the 60s. The counterculture revolution that there will be a conservative revolution now I am all for Christian schools, universities, colleges, of course, seminaries, Bible colleges, at least fire school of ministry we have five schools in different parts the world, I'm an adjunct professor, unable to be full-time at any of the school, but imagine professor and never seminaries in the Charlotte North Carolina area Gordon combo theological seminary sudden evangelical seminary in Denver Denver theological seminary in the Dallas Kings University and a ton of other schools as well. Trinity in full or in other schools so I'm I'm all for Christian seminaries. Christian Bible schools and Christian colleges and universities absolutely might. My heart beats to see more and more and more of those and perhaps if we do a good enough job. Those will become the go to schools if there is more and more moral bankruptcy on the secular universities and more and more intellectual closemindedness in terms of refusing to have a place where they can be dialogue and discussion, now Christian University by design is going to have certain standards but hopefully it will challenge the students to think. I believe change can come and although I am all for Christian parents, encouraging the Christian kids to go to Christian colleges and universities. Unless the kid is called to secular university and is solid and ground enough in their faith. I strongly recommend Christian colleges and universities. Yet I believe those who graduate from those schools can become professors at universities can become school teachers in the public schools, and that what we must do is on the one hand, make sure that we are consolidating our own families that we are strengthening our own foundations that we are building up our own offspring. Spiritual natural in the face of their solid but then we are going into all the world and it may be that you're in for your kids go to public school and maybe they go to secular universities. I want all secular universities. It was it was fine for me. Others, it was not a good environment for the we must not retreat from society as a whole. Having been trained and equipped. Now let us go out list fill the local school boards let us lettuce become the kindergarten teachers and the school principals lettuce become the. The district superintendents lettuce become the librarians. This become people of influence not to force our faith on others, but to have a moral integrity and to not allow radical agendas to dominate where some radical leftist book is acceptable in the libraries in the Bible is like that with hostility. Are you with me on that is not not time to drop out, not time to drop out time to stand and make a difference. A friends you can make a difference by letting others know about the line of fire broadcast. There are plenty of people that don't even know we exist it's a big world out there. Thank God for a wonderful large listening audience but there plenty people don't know we exist share the podcast encourage others to tune in on the radio to listen online. Let us expand this ministry for more more people pray for us and stand with us financially. Your gifts make a massive difference would ask around a lot. Click on donate part of our team by bottom line today. Not time for retreat, not time for the March