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August 11, 2022 4:50 pm
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network any Jewish related question of any kind, you could be a proceeded to difference deeply with me and you want to tell me why I'm wrong to be a Christian with questions about Israel today be a Muslim wanted to challenge my beliefs about Israel being restored by God. Whoever 866-34-TRUTH 784 sausage Jewish related it's welcomed warmly on our Thursday broadcast. Okay we will talk about some news items related to Israel.
There has been recent war between Israel and Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organizations right now. It has been contained. Right now there is truce is not been a high loss of life.
May it be so that he continues may grace be extended to victims on the ground.
Many people look up to God.
Is there one and only hope in the midst of this I recently received an is an email from dear friends in Israel, husband and wife who have lived in the land for decades they have spent most of the laws and though I imagine there my age were a little bit older and they spent two thirds or more of their lives living Israel raise their kids in Israel are kids of thought is really military. These are lovers of Yeshua and lovers of Israel and in the email they were sharing the great grief that they have over their nation. They were sharing how in many ways. Things are so much worse within Israel that there's more corruption in the government than they've ever seen and they just went through a list of everything that's wrong with in the nation of Israel again as lovers of Israel who live in the land, not critics, not anti-Zionists, but those who believe that God brought the Jewish people back to the lab. Those who believe that God will bring the Jewish people back to himself through Yeshua. Those who believe that Israel is falsely accused and maligned in the news all the time. They just shared the depth of burden and concern they have for the nation and there are Christians who will say rightly so.
Israel does not deserve God's blessing look if we lived in Israel today but let let's say that we are believers now living in Israel. Instead of living in America. Those of us with an American so in America we are grieved over many of the government policies we are grieved over much of the direction of the nation. We are grieved over the immorality. We are grieved over the sexual perversion and on and on. We are grieved over the violence will not put us in Israel right person, the land of Israel know there is much to appreciate in Israel. There are massive things to appreciate in Israel, especially in contrast with surrounding nations.
It Israel is like an oasis in many many ways, and Israel tries in many ways. To be fair and to be just in the midst of a very volatile difficult situation. No doubt about but how would we feel say about gay activism in Israel. We be grieved over it, just like we are here in America. How would we feel about abortion. Israel would be grieved as we are here in America except we would not find a strong pro-life movement in Israel. We have an America that would be much more in the minority.
What about sexual morality in general. What about porn but about his go down the list of things what about drug use, what about this. What about that and you'd find the same problems that you see in America. In many ways. In Israel, one of my colleagues lives in Tel Aviv belongs to a local gym. There and told the half jokingly that he thinks is the only straight guy working out the gym. There that it's it's Phil with gay men Israel has come to prominence as a manufacturer of gay porn Israel.
If you are a female soldier in the IDF you can get free abortions get pregnant while you're in the IDF.
You can get a government-sponsored abortion if that if that happens to that's that your choice of many goes on.
I remember with some of the last 10 years. Maybe five years back, maybe little longer that a major survey was done in a gay publication as to which cities in the world were the most gay friendly right and they that the top 10 or 20. Whatever it was number one way off the charts mean number 234. They were close but never one way off the charts.
Tel Aviv's Tel Aviv so I say all that to say that I do not believe that Israel to say today deserves the blessings of God. It's not a matter of undersigned I want God saying I will bless you, if you obey, and I will curse you if you disobey, and because Israel is so obedient. Therefore God is blessing now there are religious Jews.
A growing number rapidly growing number of religious Jews ultra religious Jews in Israel who will pour much of what we are poor who have very similar moral values to our moral values. Of course they are poor. Jesus the Jesus they know is not the Jesus of the New Testament.
They are poor, the Jesus they know in the Jesus of church history, and the Jesus falsely associated with leaders in the Holocaust. They are poor that Jesus is the only Jesus they know.
So we have to reach them with the messenger who Yeshua really is. Of course they would hotly and strongly oppose someone like me but even within their communities with older devotion. They have problems like everybody else says they have issues going on in secret like everybody else has, thankfully, in many ways they are trying to pull Torah and do what is right and on the Sabbath and honor family laws and things like that. The stem importance of the Lord recognize that, but even there, even if they're all righteous it's it's still what 1015% of the nation and as a set among them like every other religious group. There's hypocrisy and sin and corruption as well. Israel needs the Lord Israel. These cases due to this reminds me of yours ago. My friend rubbish. We both have beef before he was my friend before we knew each other a came into a lot of prominence with his friendship with Michael Jackson Michael Jackson reached out to him. He became a counselor to him and Rabbi both have been known before that that this is really catapulted him to be known among the stars and all these other people in the rich and famous, etc. and Italy told Michael Jackson who had some Jehovah's Witness backgrounds, understand it. Surely the rabbi told Michael Jackson Lee said this publicly, Michael. You need Jesus. You need Jesus. Well now I am saying something that Robotech would not say Israel needs issue. Israel needs to turn to God in repentance, you say well that Mike why do you support Israel. What you stand with Israel what he believe that God brought Israel back to the land after all, God set of passages like Deuteronomy 30 if you will repent then I will be back after I scatter you. I will bring you back.
Obviously that is not the national repentance. Israel was founded largely by secular people most the religious leaders, the Jewish leaders of the world opposed Zionism in its early stages, as many of the views change post Holocaust and with the establishment of Israel in a minimal record willing to see this is the beginning of the messianic restoration but many other religious Jews. To this day, oppose the modern state of Israel. So why the light stem with Christian Zionists is a messianic Jew and said, believe that God brought them back to them because of the word because of the word because of grace can ask you a question. As a Christian you live by grace every day you get what you deserve. Every day when you stand before God on that great day we say Lord give me what I deserve or I can come to through the blood of Jesus.
Right. So we live by grace.
If the church America got what it deserved. Wheat we be smoked we be out here alright so what I believe. I believe what the Scriptures plainly most plainly in passages like Ezekiel 36 were regard for the Jewish people back from Babylon this much of the chapter that was never fulfilled. Many of the promises that God gave to Israel ask about coming back to the land. Some of what was promised was filled most of it is still to be fulfilled alright and God said there I'm not doing this for your sake is your unclean address for my namesake because my name is being defiled with with you being an XL that makes me the God of Israel look bad. This is we sing in the Scriptures, the Lord's temple. He always Temple in Jerusalem destroyed the always people scattered in the in that the lands of of the other gods. The pagan gods. It made it look like those gods had power.
He said I would tell you in advance Raymond have a special Isaiah 40 through 48. Italian investment Limited.
Other bring you back to the land I will establish you.
There and he says in Isaiah 52. His name is continually blasting because they're an XL Ezekiel 36 he's doing it because the holiness of his name.
So this is because of God's sovereign purposes and is and time vision to bring Israel back to bring the Messiah back into bring the nations into salvation.
This is part of the end time plan of God. But Israel exists by grace. I stand with Israel.
For that reason does Minna stand against others, but I stand with Israel because I recognize God is brought them back and I recognize it's Satan wants to what the Jewish people up. It's Satan wants to keep Drew's Q hands it, Satan wants to give Jewish people away from Yeshua. It's Satan who does not want the Jewish people to welcome Yeshua back to establish his kingdom on the earth once and for all destroy the work of Satan's want that to happen. So I stand with Israel today, because God brought the Jewish people back.
I stand with Israel today because I see it's Satan wants to wipe them out and I stand with Israel today because of the good that it does, and to the extent it seeks to live harmoniously with its neighbors at the same time as a friend of Israel. I call the Jewish people to repent and turn to God the same time as a friend of Israel if Israel goes wrong.
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My goalie report. His lovingkindness is forever Michael Brown. Welcome to the broadcast 866-3487 84. Again, any Jewish related question of any kind is kosher on our Thursday broadcast all right if we only bring one bus to Israel. That's what we've done on on previous trips we have the second bus we would've had a couple of buses that was on or cut off limit with the trip that we had a cancel decoded a couple years back but May 23 May 2023. If we only take one bus which is the initial plan we've only got all 20 some seats left when we announced it really got people signing up so we don't know if we would take a second bus it right. But if you're thinking of going wanting to go check it out now asked Dr. Brown.org to see it right on the homepage. After a few seconds.
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So just just let me know so that you can plan accordingly. Units at the website asked Dr. Brown dog org all right just some news to share with you and this is over on the Israel how your home website volume, meaning today in Hebrew World Cup 2022 booking site replaces Israel with occupied Palestinian territories is so this is a site you gonna go to the World Cup when the big sporting events in in when it happens. It's it's not every year it's a massive worldwide sporting event World Cup 2020 to 1 of the sites we can book Israel's is Israelis were allowed to travel to Qatar to attend football masses from November 20 so soccer from November 21 to December 18, 2022.
Despite Doha not having diplomatic ties with the Jewish state.
However however, if you want to reserve your tickets for the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, then you didn't find Israel on the list of countries you're allowed to select occupied Palestinian territories as their location instead.
This is a surprise is no surprise at all in the Muslim world that that's the case, but with Abraham accords with relationships opening up more with Israel and the surrounding nations with some president things taking place. So as a reminder that for many Israel is not the rights exist. You have to understand friends just go through a little history here when when Israel became a nation again in 1948 it considers itself the state of Israel, because not all of the Jewish people there that would ultimately the country the nation of Israel, but considers itself the state of Israel. Right now, with the not Israel but when it was announced in 1947 and then officially declared in 1948 that brought all out war by the surrounding Muslim nations in. In other words, it was not a matter of okay you can have this part of the land but not the rest of this part of the Jerusalem, but not the old city. You can have this part of the nation here, but not these are the parts Nono it was you can have none of it looms as a Jew living there in the land now under the control of the British say in 1940. You can be there and and you may be working side-by-side with Muslims, Christians, other groups and things like that but you don't own this land in a natural way to be Jewish landowner with in the land of your you are in the minority, but you can be Jewish landowner within the land.
You can even have Muslim Arabs working your farm but you do not have the right to own this letter at this is urination that no no no, absolutely not, absolutely under no circumstances did not remember before this moment right genes and errors Muslim Arabs and Christian Arabs as well. Reliving side-by-side and run yes there were conflicts there was what you would call it intifada, in the 1930s under Hodge amino Husseini Graham moved to Jerusalem. He was a real provocateur and and become a friend of Hitler and there were many in the Muslim world who were cheering Hitler on in the morning to finish the job of destroying the Jew the tremendous anti-Semitism existing in the radical Muslim world.
So these these things were there. The sentiments were there, but they were still for the most part living peacefully side-by-side right now that this was going to become an official Jewish state.
That's when all hell broke loose. You cannot be here that you must leave. So when the war broke out again the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel. Yes, you had small Israeli groups there engaging in acts of violence against the British against Muslims did have that going on with the war broke out with the surrounding nations declaring war on Israel. Israel's leadership senior leadership is and let us live in peace side-by-side.
The senior art leadership is a really drive you into the sea sickness in the midst of war atrocities committed on all sides. In the midst of war, things happen that you regret that happens on all sides. The idea that this was a genocide of the Palestinians. There is not even such a thing is the Palestinians. At that point, the Palestine post was Jewish publication now knows the Jerusalem Post Palestinian orchestra was the Jewish orchestra.
All right there is no national identity of the land of Palestine for the Muslims there that it that it never been as part of greater Syria and and related to other parts of Jordan, Egypt and things like that.
Okay so this is history really hard to deny. Much of this is the fault about 200,000 of the local our population ends up staying and that has grown from over 1,000,000 1/2 probably is approaching 2 million today and they have rights as Israeli citizens they vote there in the parliament. There parties in the parliament. They have a Supreme Court justice.
They work in every area of the society that many are still hostile to Israel and feel that there's not for treatment. For others, etc. but in point of fact, they stayed. They thrive the others, maybe 600,000 left and use it. Will Israel drove them out or there was a war so some did get driven out for sure, but many left because they were told by the Arab leaders that can and can't distinguish between a Jew and Arab get out will drive them into the sea and then you come back your homes will never happen. Hence the refugee crisis, and remember, if the war had not started. Then Israel would not have driven these people out of their villages, and homes.
And again, much of it was just conflict, war, much of it was people fleeing out all at the same time 800,000 Jews were driven out from the surrounding Muslim nations where they lived. When when Israel became a state. They were forcibly driven out many of the now took refuge in Israel. The Arabs who left or were driven out were not given refuge in the surrounding Muslim Arab nations, which is how we got the quote refugee crisis that continues no multigenerational the only one like this in the world of refugees to get resettled in an and relocating. That's it know about this time that these are permanent refugees and in its concerted way to try to make Israel better put Israel under pressure.
When you hear the saying from the river to the sea.
Palestine shall be free.
It's it's a well known saying that's chanted that's recited some of us even called out evangelist needs to be on CNN for for saying that her retrieving that what you're saying is Israel does not have the right to exist from the river, meaning the Euphrates River and in the East to the same meaning the writ Mediterranean Sea in the West. So where Israel is between that and the river to the sea.
Palestine shall be free and means get rid of the Jewish state. That's what it means. It doesn't mean even restricted to pre-1967 borders. Winners will expand its territory in the Six-Day War. It does mean that it doesn't go back to 1948 were no no no that saying means no more Israel as a nation and was interesting as you have negotiations and things like that say with with Housing Authority and things like that is is was on the cushion with Thomas. Whatever would be controlled by Palestinian Authority would be free of Jews to have coupling Arabs living right within Israel's part of of Israel proper. The consuls Palestinians fought right within under the Israeli government and under Israeli law, no problem. You have Jews living in the Housing Authority.
No no no, whatever will be official. Palestinian territory will be unified to use the terrible German phrase free of Jews so that's that's the debate. It is existential about the existence of Israel, not simply a matter of orders and disputes okay we come back I will go straight to the phones, catch up on some more news.
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So 15 minutes after this broadcast ends will be back for 15 Eastern time with our weekly Q&A We we missed a couple weeks eager to be back with you. So that's a great time for you to post questions, tell your friends they can join in their Mabel calls equate great equate time a great time to post your questions and can't wait to be with you there right now we're here. So let's go to the phones will start with Michael in Lake Stevens, Washington. Welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown question. Is there any historical or scholarly documentation on how to after 70 A.D. where transported To Judea during that make it from Judea to Germany right so Greg right so what you want to read for that is any of the major histories of Israel there quite a few. If if you if you just get online and search you and when were you buy your books for history of Israel. The major histories will do their best to trace these things summer just for biblical history similar for the modern history of Israel, but the comprehensive once there there there quite a few that have been written over the years, but here's here's the challenge right at exactly how you got from point a to point B like sometimes or other essay from ADC. In some cases, Michael. You can clearly say we hear so we got from Ada J and then were little fuzzy and now we can see clearly how we got from PVC but that bridge is not as clear. So what is the best we can tell just the larger question is that is Jewish people were scattered around the world and then emigrate to other countries sometimes is a period of time you're in another country. Then you get kicked out there because you don't conform to the Muslim or Christian views or it's just difficult to move on somewhere else in groups to emigrate these things happen in or you can go around the world and you can leave see people from the Philippines right you know innately serve different countries than the client, the soul at a certain point, these Jews in Europe got to a fairly small number. This is the background to Ashkenazi Jews as best as we can tell that a fairly small number. So was it was not hundreds of thousands more like thousands and then as they began to intermarry with Europeans so Caucasian Europeans can convert to unison became part of the Jewish people and those are the ones ultimately harm a highway for Germany and some of these other European countries. So it's kind like you get like a bottleneck at in and then it opens up again and the other thing that you can trace interestingly is some DNA studies that are done and they'll look it at some of these as well. So here's what I'll do, Michael. During the break, as I will mention a couple of DNA ones. I want to check for for the best titles during a break on the pull some of these up and then after the break. If you keep listening all men are titles that are recommended that of carbohydrates. These things really DNA studies as well idea so it was a lawyer to do that. That's the larger answer of how it happened and even the origins of the Ashkenazi Jews. The of the myth that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily converts of the fence or kingdom is just a myth that should be completely dismissed and has been dismissed by most scholars, but I did read is as I was sitting some of these issues, not just the nuts is the history in terms of of historical records archaeological records literary records and things like that but tying in the DNA that was very, very interesting, and it was a way to trace geographical patterns of migration and things like that.
I do reference some of this. If you have the new edition of our hands were stained with blood.
The new edition came out in 2019. I do reference some of these issues that I do for the notes in there, but all I'll tell you some of the other things that I recommend during the break right now that I know your specific question. I'll get the reference.
During the break and come back on the air. All right, let's go to Texas Josias you are all the line of fire, a Michael Brown how are you doing great. Thanks.
Now, so I. About early date.
You concerning baptismal regenerate on particularly because the government did a lot alike about the car trip and I wanted what really Jewish, and thought about right. So we don't have a lot of writings of Jewish believers ensure outside of the New Testament documents in those immediate centuries in the most of the writings we have from those that become known as the church fathers.
They were Gentile Christians and they would refer to other Jewish believers and things like that.
So when you just look at the New Testament itself. You have the debate doesn't teach baptismal regeneration or not. Based on the New Testament documents written by these usually was themselves. But the answer the question and step outside the New Testament anyone outside the church and to ask what the Jewish world believe about baptism so we understand that ritual immersion was taught in the Torah right that the priests would have to wash themselves before going into minister in the temple that if you became ritually unclean, you accidentally touched a dead animal that your ritually unclean. You have to stay out of the camp for the night and then you you wash and you can use these ritual waters for cleansing so ritual cleansing was really instituted in the Torah and then it became much, much more widespread. You could have communities say like it at Claremont as best as we understand that there would be regular immersion in water for purification, as this would be a regular basis or before the Sabbath or daily ritual purification and as is folks that come to Israel with us. No were bent Israel on their own. If if you go before the temple used to stand. You'll see his numerous baptismal pools you'll see steps going down. And then what would be the.
The pool of water and then steps going up because you would you immerse before going into the temple, etc. so this was widely practiced as a writer, purification, and is a right of repentance. This is why Johnny Mercer is preaching repentance and it is followed by water baptism or immersion in water so was there a concept of baptismal regeneration in Judaism at that time.
Certainly not there was a cause of the repentance of forgiveness of cleansing of renewal, but not regeneration. So if that was taught.
It would've been something new that the first followers of Jesus were teaching it would not have been something coming from the Jewish culture unlovely. The New Testament teaches it either but I do believe the New Testament emphasizes the importance of baptism in a way beyond how many of our churches do today, so I don't accept baptismal regeneration, but I believe we need to restore the importance of baptism as as as essential right following salvation of the other thing that Judaism would not have been familiar with would have been immersing babies.
This was an at an active purification repentance for a believer for for an adult as a poster for baby, so the concepts of infant baptism. The cause of the baptismal regeneration would not have been known in the ancient Jewish world. These would have been innovations and I simply do not see those innovations taught in the New Testament about that sure to delight anything. I met a nursing baby a look at this time will be for you and your people with data included with that